QB Caleb Williams, CHI (14 Viewers)

[Chaka]

Disappointing game for sure, especially considering the opponent. But, this poor output, will be the outlier for him this season. He's obviously improved, and will continue to. The run game finally looking good only means great things for the bears offense.

I'm not sure I agree.

I believe in Caleb. I'm as big a fan as you'll find in the SP. I think he's a "five tool" talent who has the potential to set the league on fire. I also believe he will continue to improve under Ben Johnson but, I can easily see a scenario where he becomes more potential than production. He's throwing off a ton of Trevor Lawrence vibes IMO and, I'm ready to close the book on Lawrence.

 

[Ray Barboni]

Disappointing game for sure, especially considering the opponent. But, this poor output, will be the outlier for him this season. He's obviously improved, and will continue to. The run game finally looking good only means great things for the bears offense.

I'm not sure I agree.

I believe in Caleb. I'm as big a fan as you'll find in the SP. I think he's a "five tool" talent who has the potential to set the league on fire. I also believe he will continue to improve under Ben Johnson but, I can easily see a scenario where he becomes more potential than production. He's throwing off a ton of Trevor Lawrence vibes IMO and, I'm ready to close the book on Lawrence.

I hear that. What i will say is Caleb has a better path to succeed, than Trevor ever had. Trevor may have already cemented the bad habits he was allowed/forced to learn over his first few years. Ben Johnson will not let Caleb learn the wrong way.

Plus, they are winning. Much easier to learn and grow when there are positive vibes in the building.

 

[Manster]

I sat Nix, and Staff in one league for Caleb….oof.

So far, not regretting dropping him for Dart in another league.

 

[TampaMike19]

Dude sucks. I don’t see the reason to be so optimistic when he can barely complete a pass.

 

[FGITLOTR]

People don’t want to hear it, but I think Bagent can do a better job running a Johnson led O. He’s clearly not as talented as caleb, but he’s good enough to run his scheme and complete more high % throws. I predict that at some point, either the end of this year or next, he gets a shot

 

[LawFitz]

Bengie delaying the inevitable?

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

People don’t want to hear it, but I think Bagent can do a better job running a Johnson led O. He’s clearly not as talented as caleb, but he’s good enough to run his scheme and complete more high % throws. I predict that at some point, either the end of this year or next, he gets a shot

If that was the case, it would have already happened. Ben Johnson doesn't strike me as a guy to kowtow to upper management. If Bagent were, in fact, better at running the offense, he'd be playing right now.

 

[rschroeder1]

People don’t want to hear it, but I think Bagent can do a better job running a Johnson led O. He’s clearly not as talented as caleb, but he’s good enough to run his scheme and complete more high % throws. I predict that at some point, either the end of this year or next, he gets a shot

Bagent has little arm strength. His career high for passing yards in a game is 232, which only happened because the Bears lost 40-7 to the Chargers and he racked up the garbage time numbers. In four games as a starter, his QB rating is 71.

At no point in Bagent's career has he demonstrated anything other than capacity to be a backup QB.

Beyond this, Ben Johnson is not playing to win the Super Bowl this year. He's said this in every way possible besides saying literally. It's a developmental year, and not just for Caleb (though most importantly for Caleb).

 

[Big Nate]

People don’t want to hear it, but I think Bagent can do a better job running a Johnson led O. He’s clearly not as talented as caleb, but he’s good enough to run his scheme and complete more high % throws. I predict that at some point, either the end of this year or next, he gets a shot

Bagent has little arm strength. His career high for passing yards in a game is 232, which only happened because the Bears lost 40-7 to the Chargers and he racked up the garbage time numbers. In four games as a starter, his QB rating is 71.

At no point in Bagent's career has he demonstrated anything other than capacity to be a backup QB.

Beyond this, Ben Johnson is not playing to win the Super Bowl this year. He's said this in every way possible besides saying literally. It's a developmental year, and not just for Caleb (though most importantly for Caleb).

Yep, it is the long game. We play Fantasy Football while the team and coaches are working towards a bigger goal long term. But some people just want to complain.

 

[Max Power]

Crazy, it's almost like these young QBs have their ups and downs within a season and early in their careers.

Statistically Williams is right there in the same mix with Daniels, Nix, Penix and Maye. Some weeks are better than others.

 

[menobrown]

Surprised at all the negativity, and I had him going in some key fantasy games.

Bad weather, running game going, opposing team struggling on offense. Just thought it was a conservative game plan, not a bad game by Caleb.

 

[rschroeder1]

Surprised at all the negativity, and I had him going in some key fantasy games.

Bad weather, running game going, opposing team struggling on offense. Just thought it was a conservative game plan, not a bad game by Caleb.

I'll disagree with you here - I thought Caleb was very poor yesterday. There might as well have been clown/circus music in the background while he was running in circles in the backfield trying to evade pass rushers. The efficient checkdowns from Weeks 3-4 have disappeared, for now at least. Likewise, he seemed very reticent to run forward past the line of scrimmage yesterday - despite the endless circling in the backfield. He had numerous poor throws and keeps having balls that are "tipped" that are basically thrown right at a defense pass rusher's head.

With that said, I have all the patience in the world here and find expectations of linear development to be silly. He had a bad day, on to the next.

 

[Sunday Gravy]

Surprised at all the negativity, and I had him going in some key fantasy games.

Bad weather, running game going, opposing team struggling on offense. Just thought it was a conservative game plan, not a bad game by Caleb.

Did you watch the game? He was pretty bad. Ugly throws all day.

 

[menobrown]

Surprised at all the negativity, and I had him going in some key fantasy games.

Bad weather, running game going, opposing team struggling on offense. Just thought it was a conservative game plan, not a bad game by Caleb.

I'll disagree with you here - I thought Caleb was very poor yesterday. There might as well have been clown/circus music in the background while he was running in circles in the backfield trying to evade pass rushers. The efficient checkdowns from Weeks 3-4 have disappeared, for now at least. Likewise, he seemed very reticent to run forward past the line of scrimmage yesterday - despite the endless circling in the backfield. He had numerous poor throws and keeps having balls that are "tipped" that are basically thrown right at a defense pass rusher's head.

With that said, I have all the patience in the world here and find expectations of linear development to be silly. He had a bad day, on to the next.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think he played well, just not that terrible.

I think on a fantasy message board people are overly reactive to a lack of stats but the weather and way the running game were going were big factors.

Also don't think his receivers were doing him any favors, nothing in that game looked like it was easy.

And IMO the one thing the Saints did well on defense was keep their gap assignments and did a great job of closing his lanes. I think the way he ran around the pocket was not any different then he had success doing it the first few weeks, it's part of his game, it was just very well defended this time.

 

[menobrown]

Surprised at all the negativity, and I had him going in some key fantasy games.

Bad weather, running game going, opposing team struggling on offense. Just thought it was a conservative game plan, not a bad game by Caleb.

Did you watch the game? He was pretty bad. Ugly throws all day.

No, I got a ton of Bears on major fantasy leagues but I did not care to watch and figured I'd just come here and say I'm surprised at the negative reaction even though I never watched the game.

Come on already, did you watch the game might be the lowest form of conversation going here.