QB Case Keenum, HOU (1 Viewer)

[False Start]

Case to start according to Kubiak in his presser hes holding right now

Will he be on a short leash going forward? Hard to trust him now

No way in heck he pulls Keenum again especially at home.

 

[Squintz82]

Case to start according to Kubiak in his presser hes holding right now

Will he be on a short leash going forward? Hard to trust him now

No way in heck he pulls Keenum again especially at home.

Any more details on the presser?

 

[ragnarok628]

lots of good points for the anti-kubiak position, but i think it's not really as sinister as all that. I expect Keenum will be the starter going forward and the reason he got benched is because that was the best way the coaches had to deal with those blitzes. I think Keenum really just wasn't able to adjust and coach didn't have any more answers other than to put schaub in there. someone said earlier that Case tends to wait for the guy to get open before throwing. i'm no expert but that smells right to me, which may have been why he wasn't able to get rid of the ball fast enough. I don't think Kubiak was purposely throwing Keenum under the bus with long developing plays in face of the blitz and then giving dink and dunk plays once Schaub came it; i think Keenum just couldn't get rid of the ball in time for dink and dunk to work so the only answer left was to bring in Schaub.

ok but why wouldn't the team they play next week do the same thing if it worked this week. It's part of developing as a QB...teams are going to try different things to stop your success and if you just pull the plug when there's an issue you can't get better.

i think they were still trying to win and after 3 series of Keenum not being able to deal with the blitz, kubiak didn't think that he was going to magically figure it out this game. so he puts in his veteran QB.

like i said, i'm no expert, but Schaub Last Year was a halfway decent QB. OK maybe 1/4 way decent QB. Kubiak was probably just hoping for Schaub Last Year, but instead we got Schaub This Year. i mean it's not 100% crazy to think that the guy could potentially return to (1/4way decent) form, and if you're desperate to win THIS GAME i can at least see the argument for making the swap when keenum wasn't able to cope. they can hopefully work on that during practice...

 

[danielmclark]

Case to start according to Kubiak in his presser hes holding right now

Will he be on a short leash going forward? Hard to trust him now

I've got Romo (vs. NYG) or Keenum (vs. JAX) next week. It should be a no-brainer, who to start. Romo is better than Keenum overall, but against Jacksonville? Even if the Texans had lost, if Kubiak hadn't pulled Keenum, I still would have rostered him over Romo in weeks 12 and 14. Now, I don't think I'll put Keenum in for the rest of the season. At least with Romo I know he'll finish the game.

 

[Major]

lots of good points for the anti-kubiak position, but i think it's not really as sinister as all that. I expect Keenum will be the starter going forward and the reason he got benched is because that was the best way the coaches had to deal with those blitzes. I think Keenum really just wasn't able to adjust and coach didn't have any more answers other than to put schaub in there. someone said earlier that Case tends to wait for the guy to get open before throwing. i'm no expert but that smells right to me, which may have been why he wasn't able to get rid of the ball fast enough. I don't think Kubiak was purposely throwing Keenum under the bus with long developing plays in face of the blitz and then giving dink and dunk plays once Schaub came it; i think Keenum just couldn't get rid of the ball in time for dink and dunk to work so the only answer left was to bring in Schaub.

ok but why wouldn't the team they play next week do the same thing if it worked this week. It's part of developing as a QB...teams are going to try different things to stop your success and if you just pull the plug when there's an issue you can't get better.

i think they were still trying to win and after 3 series of Keenum not being able to deal with the blitz, kubiak didn't think that he was going to magically figure it out this game. so he puts in his veteran QB.

like i said, i'm no expert, but Schaub Last Year was a halfway decent QB. OK maybe 1/4 way decent QB. Kubiak was probably just hoping for Schaub Last Year, but instead we got Schaub This Year. i mean it's not 100% crazy to think that the guy could potentially return to (1/4way decent) form, and if you're desperate to win THIS GAME i can at least see the argument for making the swap when keenum wasn't able to cope. they can hopefully work on that during practice...

Schaub has sucked for the last 2 years. Don't let the fluffy stats fool you. A lot of those 'passes' are Arian runs.

 

[WilsonTheVolleyball]

Case to start according to Kubiak in his presser hes holding right now

Will he be on a short leash going forward? Hard to trust him now

I've got Romo (vs. NYG) or Keenum (vs. JAX) next week. It should be a no-brainer, who to start. Romo is better than Keenum overall, but against Jacksonville? Even if the Texans had lost, if Kubiak hadn't pulled Keenum, I still would have rostered him over Romo in weeks 12 and 14. Now, I don't think I'll put Keenum in for the rest of the season. At least with Romo I know he'll finish the game.

Similar situation, but with Eli and Keenum. I always planned on playing Eli regardless, but that matchup against Jacksonville is juicy and up until yesterday I was starting to reconsider. But at this point I can't trust Keenum until he gets to finish another game. Going Eli. IMO Romo is a must-start every week.

 

[Faust]

Case to start according to Kubiak in his presser hes holding right now

Rotoworld take:

Case Keenum will be the Texans' Week 12 starter at quarterback.
"I've got total confidence in him," coach Gary Kubiak said with a straight face at Monday's presser. Kubiak then launched into a convoluted explanation for his knee-jerk benching of Keenum against the Raiders, which did not pan out. Matt Schaub was worse in relief, angering No. 1 receiver Andre Johnson in the process. Keenum's play has tailed off since his first two starts, but not to the extent that he doesn't deserve continued time to grow under center. He's shown enough to keep making starts. Johnson owners should hope he keeps the job. Schaub has shown a baffling inability to get him the ball as much as his talent would dictate.

Related: Matt Schaub

Source: Texans on Twitter

 

[jsharlan]

Case to start according to Kubiak in his presser hes holding right now

Will he be on a short leash going forward? Hard to trust him now

No way in heck he pulls Keenum again especially at home.

They were at home for the Raiders. Put nothing past Kubiak at this point. He's a cornered cat.

 

[jsharlan]

lots of good points for the anti-kubiak position, but i think it's not really as sinister as all that. I expect Keenum will be the starter going forward and the reason he got benched is because that was the best way the coaches had to deal with those blitzes. I think Keenum really just wasn't able to adjust and coach didn't have any more answers other than to put schaub in there. someone said earlier that Case tends to wait for the guy to get open before throwing. i'm no expert but that smells right to me, which may have been why he wasn't able to get rid of the ball fast enough. I don't think Kubiak was purposely throwing Keenum under the bus with long developing plays in face of the blitz and then giving dink and dunk plays once Schaub came it; i think Keenum just couldn't get rid of the ball in time for dink and dunk to work so the only answer left was to bring in Schaub.

ok but why wouldn't the team they play next week do the same thing if it worked this week. It's part of developing as a QB...teams are going to try different things to stop your success and if you just pull the plug when there's an issue you can't get better.

i think they were still trying to win and after 3 series of Keenum not being able to deal with the blitz, kubiak didn't think that he was going to magically figure it out this game. so he puts in his veteran QB.

like i said, i'm no expert, but Schaub Last Year was a halfway decent QB. OK maybe 1/4 way decent QB. Kubiak was probably just hoping for Schaub Last Year, but instead we got Schaub This Year. i mean it's not 100% crazy to think that the guy could potentially return to (1/4way decent) form, and if you're desperate to win THIS GAME i can at least see the argument for making the swap when keenum wasn't able to cope. they can hopefully work on that during practice...

Schaub has been horrible since the middle of last season. Perhaps Kubiak should have considered changing the play calling with his current QB, who can actually escape pressure, and change the protections to suit his strengths, instead of being so tunnel visioned on his system that he goes back to his favorite son with no mobility and a tendency to throw into double coverage. A good coach would change his scheme to support the skills of his best players, Kubiak is too stubborn to do this. Changing players for your scheme is what you do in the off season. During the season you make your system work for the best players you have available.

 

[MattFancy]

Is Case safe to start this week? I have him penciled in, but eyeing Alex Smith too. Case just has a great matchup that made zombie Carson Palmer look normal again.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

Is Case safe to start this week? I have him penciled in, but eyeing Alex Smith too. Case just has a great matchup that made zombie Carson Palmer look normal again.

Supposedly Case is the man...

Case Keenum will be the Texans' Week 12 starter at quarterback."I've got total confidence in him," coach Gary Kubiak said with a straight face at Monday's presser. Kubiak then launched into a convoluted explanation for his knee-jerk benching of Keenum against the Raiders, which did not pan out. Matt Schaub was worse in relief, angering No. 1 receiver Andre Johnson in the process. Keenum's play has tailed off since his first two starts, but not to the extent that he doesn't deserve continued time to grow under center. He's shown enough to keep making starts. Johnson owners should hope he keeps the job. Schaub has shown a baffling inability to get him the ball as much as his talent would dictate. Nov 18 - 4:36 PM
Source: Texans on Twitter

 

[meatwad1]

At the time of the benching, Kubiak probably was not thinking straight. Barring an injury, there is no way that Shaub sees the field again. Just the fact that Kubiak immediately declared Keenum the starter tells me that he probably got his butt reamed by the GM or the owner and was ordered to do so. At this point, Kubiak just needs to play it cool so he can have enough cache to grab a coordinator job at the end of the season. There is no way he comes back.

Keenum is the play this week. I see him as a lock for 16 - 20 points.

 

[Houston turmOiler]

I'm starting Case too because I trust rg3 on Monday night against the 49ers even less

 

[Isotopes]

I'm starting Case too because I trust rg3 on Monday night against the 49ers even less

I have that same decision, and am going the other way. The amount of garbage time points that RG3 is capable of is tremendous. I can see a scenario where RG3 has about 10 fantasy points with 8 minutes left in the 4th quarter, and suddenly he ends the game with 30+ points.

 

[Houston turmOiler]

Oh sure....but he gets blasted quite a bit too. Im always afraid itll end up like the Denver game, and Reed and Hankerson are banged up too....

I like Case to bounce back this week and Andre Johnson to have a big game as well

 

[Yenrub]

Case to start according to Kubiak in his presser hes holding right now

Will he be on a short leash going forward? Hard to trust him now

I've got Romo (vs. NYG) or Keenum (vs. JAX) next week. It should be a no-brainer, who to start. Romo is better than Keenum overall, but against Jacksonville? Even if the Texans had lost, if Kubiak hadn't pulled Keenum, I still would have rostered him over Romo in weeks 12 and 14. Now, I don't think I'll put Keenum in for the rest of the season. At least with Romo I know he'll finish the game.

Similar situation, but with Eli and Keenum. I always planned on playing Eli regardless, but that matchup against Jacksonville is juicy and up until yesterday I was starting to reconsider. But at this point I can't trust Keenum until he gets to finish another game. Going Eli. IMO Romo is a must-start every week.

I’m in the same boat with Eli (man does this Rodgers injury really suck)

I was all set to start Case this week until he got benched last week. Now I have no idea what to do. I do know that Eli isn’t going to get benched for Painter

 

[MattFancy]

I have Keenum now, but trying to decide if I should stick with him or go with Tolzien or Smith. If it wasn't such a juicy matchup, I'd dump Keenum. But Palmer just threw for 400yds last week against them. Why did Kubiak have to bench him?!?!?!

 

[PhantomJB]

I have Keenum now, but trying to decide if I should stick with him or go with Tolzien or Smith. If it wasn't such a juicy matchup, I'd dump Keenum. But Palmer just threw for 400yds last week against them. Why did Kubiak have to bench him?!?!?!

If Keenum gets benched against JAX that means he was playing so bad he wasn't going to help your FF team anyway.

I'm starting Romo v2.0 with confidence.

 

[MattFancy]

I have Keenum now, but trying to decide if I should stick with him or go with Tolzien or Smith. If it wasn't such a juicy matchup, I'd dump Keenum. But Palmer just threw for 400yds last week against them. Why did Kubiak have to bench him?!?!?!

If Keenum gets benched against JAX that means he was playing so bad he wasn't going to help your FF team anyway.

I'm starting Romo v2.0 with confidence.

Looks like Dodds has him ranked in the top 10. I'm just nervous. Plus I really need a win this week.

 

[Unclegut]

I'm in the same boat as a lot of you...I'm a Rodgers owner who picked up Keenum. And after last week's obscure benching I'm hesitant to start him. Is Kubiak crazy enough to bench him again?

I'd love to start him especially in a home matchup against the Jags

 

[Houston turmOiler]

My biggest concern is the pass protection.... He needs to do a better job getting rid of the ball quickly against the Blitz but it is not all entirely his fault.... These guys are blowing protections left and right..... I am actually pretty confident in him if they can get that straightened out because he is incredibly competitive and he's an accurate thrower....Kubiak might get fired before he leaves the stadium if he sits him again

 

[Insein]

Should be good to roll with Andre now too. I was considering trading him if Schaub was back.

 

[msudaisy26]

I never realized how bad of a coach Kubiak is. He puts a young quarterback on a short leash when their season is lost, after leaving Schaub in to blow game after game to get them to this point. It just hurts my head just thinking about it.

 

[False Start]

I understand the concern about Keenum getting pulled because of last week. But what does it take for the fantasy community to be smart enough to understand that Keenum will not be pulled again. This is obviously from up top. It is no secret Kubiak is gone at the end of the year and rightfully so why would they allow him to make a decision on a player who could be in the future for the team if he will not be there? I do not have Keenum but have an interest in this situation because of Andre and i like the Texans a good bit. This guy was not playing horribly on Sunday, Kubiak was being a hero to no resolve. He had his hand slapped and he won't do it again especially after his body language in the presser Monday.

 

[Mozeta]

I have Keenum now, but trying to decide if I should stick with him or go with Tolzien or Smith. If it wasn't such a juicy matchup, I'd dump Keenum. But Palmer just threw for 400yds last week against them. Why did Kubiak have to bench him?!?!?!

If Keenum gets benched against JAX that means he was playing so bad he wasn't going to help your FF team anyway.

I'm starting Romo v2.0 with confidence.

Looks like Dodds has him ranked in the top 10. I'm just nervous. Plus I really need a win this week.

Dodds' early rankings are worthless. He could have him ranked 25th by weeks end.

 

[False Start]

I never realized how bad of a coach Kubiak is. He puts a young quarterback on a short leash when their season is lost, after leaving Schaub in to blow game after game to get them to this point. It just hurts my head just thinking about it.

I fully believe after this past Sunday Kubiak has no say in the QB position from here on out. Part of his punishment is having to start Keenum for the rest of the season. I understand fans do not have an impact on who plays but people along side of McNair are not happy that the people who are in their stadium are booing and unhappy as soon as Schaub walked on the field. I may be in the minority but Kubiak is just the play caller now, I do not even view him as having much say anymore. Just how I see it others may not agree.

 

[Major]

I understand the concern about Keenum getting pulled because of last week. But what does it take for the fantasy community to be smart enough to understand that Keenum will not be pulled again. This is obviously from up top. It is no secret Kubiak is gone at the end of the year and rightfully so why would they allow him to make a decision on a player who could be in the future for the team if he will not be there? I do not have Keenum but have an interest in this situation because of Andre and i like the Texans a good bit. This guy was not playing horribly on Sunday, Kubiak was being a hero to no resolve. He had his hand slapped and he won't do it again especially after his body language in the presser Monday.

Exactly. Not exactly a shark pool nowadays. I started this thread months ago to alert the board about Keenum and I get blown-up. SMH at all these guppies.

 

[Major]

I never realized how bad of a coach Kubiak is. He puts a young quarterback on a short leash when their season is lost, after leaving Schaub in to blow game after game to get them to this point. It just hurts my head just thinking about it.

I fully believe after this past Sunday Kubiak has no say in the QB position from here on out. Part of his punishment is having to start Keenum for the rest of the season. I understand fans do not have an impact on who plays but people along side of McNair are not happy that the people who are in their stadium are booing and unhappy as soon as Schaub walked on the field. I may be in the minority but Kubiak is just the play caller now, I do not even view him as having much say anymore. Just how I see it others may not agree.

Kubiak had a lot of power before that move. He pretty much ran the organization which is hella scary. Bob McNair needs to act like the shrewd business man he used to be and sort this asap. 7 years, no legit playoff wins and a coach that has a knack for turning greatness into mediocrity.

 

[Bayhawks]

I never realized how bad of a coach Kubiak is. He puts a young quarterback on a short leash when their season is lost, after leaving Schaub in to blow game after game to get them to this point. It just hurts my head just thinking about it.

I fully believe after this past Sunday Kubiak has no say in the QB position from here on out. Part of his punishment is having to start Keenum for the rest of the season. I understand fans do not have an impact on who plays but people along side of McNair are not happy that the people who are in their stadium are booing and unhappy as soon as Schaub walked on the field. I may be in the minority but Kubiak is just the play caller now, I do not even view him as having much say anymore. Just how I see it others may not agree.

I don't agree with your assumption that Kubiak knows he is a lame-duck head coach, and that he is being forced to start Keenum, but IF that were true, and the bolded is also true, why would you expect him to call plays that cater to Keenum's strengths?

 

[battlebaby]

I don't agree with your assumption that Kubiak knows he is a lame-duck head coach, and that he is being forced to start Keenum, but IF that were true, and the bolded is also true, why would you expect him to call plays that cater to Keenum's strengths?

He doesn't need to. Keenum was doing just fine with the plays Kubiak was calling in the KC and IND games.

 

[glock]

I never realized how bad of a coach Kubiak is. He puts a young quarterback on a short leash when their season is lost, after leaving Schaub in to blow game after game to get them to this point. It just hurts my head just thinking about it.

I fully believe after this past Sunday Kubiak has no say in the QB position from here on out. Part of his punishment is having to start Keenum for the rest of the season. I understand fans do not have an impact on who plays but people along side of McNair are not happy that the people who are in their stadium are booing and unhappy as soon as Schaub walked on the field. I may be in the minority but Kubiak is just the play caller now, I do not even view him as having much say anymore. Just how I see it others may not agree.

I don't agree with your assumption that Kubiak knows he is a lame-duck head coach, and that he is being forced to start Keenum, but IF that were true, and the bolded is also true, why would you expect him to call plays that cater to Keenum's strengths?

Because he would like a next job?

 

[Bayhawks]

I don't agree with your assumption that Kubiak knows he is a lame-duck head coach, and that he is being forced to start Keenum, but IF that were true, and the bolded is also true, why would you expect him to call plays that cater to Keenum's strengths?

He doesn't need to. Keenum was doing just fine with the plays Kubiak was calling in the KC and IND games.

But not so fine with the plays Kubiak was calling in the Oakland game.

 

[Bayhawks]

I never realized how bad of a coach Kubiak is. He puts a young quarterback on a short leash when their season is lost, after leaving Schaub in to blow game after game to get them to this point. It just hurts my head just thinking about it.

I fully believe after this past Sunday Kubiak has no say in the QB position from here on out. Part of his punishment is having to start Keenum for the rest of the season. I understand fans do not have an impact on who plays but people along side of McNair are not happy that the people who are in their stadium are booing and unhappy as soon as Schaub walked on the field. I may be in the minority but Kubiak is just the play caller now, I do not even view him as having much say anymore. Just how I see it others may not agree.

I don't agree with your assumption that Kubiak knows he is a lame-duck head coach, and that he is being forced to start Keenum, but IF that were true, and the bolded is also true, why would you expect him to call plays that cater to Keenum's strengths?

Because he would like a next job?

If Kubiak gets another OC/HC job (and he will), it will be based on his 11 years as an OC in Denver, where they won 2 SBs, and his 8 years as a HC in Houston, where he guided them to their only playoff berths and playoff victories, NOT on how successful/unsuccessful an UDFA QB does on a team without it's best player available that is merely playing out the string on a 2-8 season.

 

[Major]

I don't agree with your assumption that Kubiak knows he is a lame-duck head coach, and that he is being forced to start Keenum, but IF that were true, and the bolded is also true, why would you expect him to call plays that cater to Keenum's strengths?

He doesn't need to. Keenum was doing just fine with the plays Kubiak was calling in the KC and IND games.

But not so fine with the plays Kubiak was calling in the Oakland game.

I'd take 150/1Td given the horrendous line and defense support. Case did well for the hand he was dealt. Kubiak doesn't like Case b/c he can't control him and he doesn't fit into Denver's playbook from 95'

 

[Major]

I never realized how bad of a coach Kubiak is. He puts a young quarterback on a short leash when their season is lost, after leaving Schaub in to blow game after game to get them to this point. It just hurts my head just thinking about it.

I fully believe after this past Sunday Kubiak has no say in the QB position from here on out. Part of his punishment is having to start Keenum for the rest of the season. I understand fans do not have an impact on who plays but people along side of McNair are not happy that the people who are in their stadium are booing and unhappy as soon as Schaub walked on the field. I may be in the minority but Kubiak is just the play caller now, I do not even view him as having much say anymore. Just how I see it others may not agree.

I don't agree with your assumption that Kubiak knows he is a lame-duck head coach, and that he is being forced to start Keenum, but IF that were true, and the bolded is also true, why would you expect him to call plays that cater to Keenum's strengths?

Because he would like a next job?

If Kubiak gets another OC/HC job (and he will), it will be based on his 11 years as an OC in Denver, where they won 2 SBs, and his 8 years as a HC in Houston, where he guided them to their only playoff berths and playoff victories, NOT on how successful/unsuccessful an UDFA QB does on a team without it's best player available that is merely playing out the string on a 2-8 season.

LOL

 

[battlebaby]

I don't agree with your assumption that Kubiak knows he is a lame-duck head coach, and that he is being forced to start Keenum, but IF that were true, and the bolded is also true, why would you expect him to call plays that cater to Keenum's strengths?

He doesn't need to. Keenum was doing just fine with the plays Kubiak was calling in the KC and IND games.

But not so fine with the plays Kubiak was calling in the Oakland game.

I'd take 150/1Td given the horrendous line and defense support. Case did well for the hand he was dealt. Kubiak doesn't like Case b/c he can't control him and he doesn't fit into Denver's playbook from 95'

Yep. Hard to speculate on this...but just judging by the yards Schaub got, Keenum would have had over 300 passing yards if he wasn't pulled. Not hard to imagine that he could have thrown for even more, given that he favors deep passes.

 

[Bayhawks]

I never realized how bad of a coach Kubiak is. He puts a young quarterback on a short leash when their season is lost, after leaving Schaub in to blow game after game to get them to this point. It just hurts my head just thinking about it.

I fully believe after this past Sunday Kubiak has no say in the QB position from here on out. Part of his punishment is having to start Keenum for the rest of the season. I understand fans do not have an impact on who plays but people along side of McNair are not happy that the people who are in their stadium are booing and unhappy as soon as Schaub walked on the field. I may be in the minority but Kubiak is just the play caller now, I do not even view him as having much say anymore. Just how I see it others may not agree.

I don't agree with your assumption that Kubiak knows he is a lame-duck head coach, and that he is being forced to start Keenum, but IF that were true, and the bolded is also true, why would you expect him to call plays that cater to Keenum's strengths?

Because he would like a next job?

If Kubiak gets another OC/HC job (and he will), it will be based on his 11 years as an OC in Denver, where they won 2 SBs, and his 8 years as a HC in Houston, where he guided them to their only playoff berths and playoff victories, NOT on how successful/unsuccessful an UDFA QB does on a team without it's best player available that is merely playing out the string on a 2-8 season.

LOL

What are you LOLing about?

You really think that if Kubiak gets fired and is interviewing for an OC/HC position; 4 games where an UDFA QB did poorly because he called bad plays will outweigh being OC for 2 superbowl teams, and being HC for (basically) an expansion team that was in the league basement that he led to 2 divisional championships?

 

[cheese]

I never realized how bad of a coach Kubiak is. He puts a young quarterback on a short leash when their season is lost, after leaving Schaub in to blow game after game to get them to this point. It just hurts my head just thinking about it.

I fully believe after this past Sunday Kubiak has no say in the QB position from here on out. Part of his punishment is having to start Keenum for the rest of the season. I understand fans do not have an impact on who plays but people along side of McNair are not happy that the people who are in their stadium are booing and unhappy as soon as Schaub walked on the field. I may be in the minority but Kubiak is just the play caller now, I do not even view him as having much say anymore. Just how I see it others may not agree.

I don't agree with your assumption that Kubiak knows he is a lame-duck head coach, and that he is being forced to start Keenum, but IF that were true, and the bolded is also true, why would you expect him to call plays that cater to Keenum's strengths?

Because he would like a next job?

If Kubiak gets another OC/HC job (and he will), it will be based on his 11 years as an OC in Denver, where they won 2 SBs, and his 8 years as a HC in Houston, where he guided them to their only playoff berths and playoff victories, NOT on how successful/unsuccessful an UDFA QB does on a team without it's best player available that is merely playing out the string on a 2-8 season.

Only on a fantasy board does Foster get called the best player over Watt. Agree with your overall point though.

 

[Houston turmOiler]

Honestly the biggest flaws Kubiaks next potential employers might see were the inability to get a pretty talented team to play better more consistently during his tenure, an inability to see past his own strange fascination with an average to below average QB, blind loyalty to certain underperforming players and coaches, and now a health risk....all the guy really proved is that you arent going to win big with him at the helm. Best he will do again is OC...

 

[Major]

Honestly the biggest flaws Kubiaks next potential employers might see were the inability to get a pretty talented team to play better more consistently during his tenure, an inability to see past his own strange fascination with an average to below average QB, blind loyalty to certain underperforming players and coaches, and now a health risk....all the guy really proved is that you arent going to win big with him at the helm. Best he will do again is OC...

Yep

 

[Major]

I never realized how bad of a coach Kubiak is. He puts a young quarterback on a short leash when their season is lost, after leaving Schaub in to blow game after game to get them to this point. It just hurts my head just thinking about it.

I fully believe after this past Sunday Kubiak has no say in the QB position from here on out. Part of his punishment is having to start Keenum for the rest of the season. I understand fans do not have an impact on who plays but people along side of McNair are not happy that the people who are in their stadium are booing and unhappy as soon as Schaub walked on the field. I may be in the minority but Kubiak is just the play caller now, I do not even view him as having much say anymore. Just how I see it others may not agree.

I don't agree with your assumption that Kubiak knows he is a lame-duck head coach, and that he is being forced to start Keenum, but IF that were true, and the bolded is also true, why would you expect him to call plays that cater to Keenum's strengths?

Because he would like a next job?

If Kubiak gets another OC/HC job (and he will), it will be based on his 11 years as an OC in Denver, where they won 2 SBs, and his 8 years as a HC in Houston, where he guided them to their only playoff berths and playoff victories, NOT on how successful/unsuccessful an UDFA QB does on a team without it's best player available that is merely playing out the string on a 2-8 season.

LOL

What are you LOLing about?

You really think that if Kubiak gets fired and is interviewing for an OC/HC position; 4 games where an UDFA QB did poorly because he called bad plays will outweigh being OC for 2 superbowl teams, and being HC for (basically) an expansion team that was in the league basement that he led to 2 divisional championships?

know the history in Denver (short leash) and two wild card wins against the Bengals aren't really quality wins. Add that to a coach who has managed to take a team destined for greatness into a hell hole of mediocrity and fail...all this in 7 years. If a team has a 10 year time horizon then sure, hire Kubiak and pray to Jesus things will be different.

 

[Bayhawks]

I never realized how bad of a coach Kubiak is. He puts a young quarterback on a short leash when their season is lost, after leaving Schaub in to blow game after game to get them to this point. It just hurts my head just thinking about it.

I fully believe after this past Sunday Kubiak has no say in the QB position from here on out. Part of his punishment is having to start Keenum for the rest of the season. I understand fans do not have an impact on who plays but people along side of McNair are not happy that the people who are in their stadium are booing and unhappy as soon as Schaub walked on the field. I may be in the minority but Kubiak is just the play caller now, I do not even view him as having much say anymore. Just how I see it others may not agree.

I don't agree with your assumption that Kubiak knows he is a lame-duck head coach, and that he is being forced to start Keenum, but IF that were true, and the bolded is also true, why would you expect him to call plays that cater to Keenum's strengths?

Because he would like a next job?

If Kubiak gets another OC/HC job (and he will), it will be based on his 11 years as an OC in Denver, where they won 2 SBs, and his 8 years as a HC in Houston, where he guided them to their only playoff berths and playoff victories, NOT on how successful/unsuccessful an UDFA QB does on a team without it's best player available that is merely playing out the string on a 2-8 season.

Only on a fantasy board does Foster get called the best player over Watt. Agree with your overall point though.

Good point. I was thinking about offense, although one could still make the argument that AJ should have that title (at least for part of the time).

 

[Bayhawks]

I never realized how bad of a coach Kubiak is. He puts a young quarterback on a short leash when their season is lost, after leaving Schaub in to blow game after game to get them to this point. It just hurts my head just thinking about it.

I fully believe after this past Sunday Kubiak has no say in the QB position from here on out. Part of his punishment is having to start Keenum for the rest of the season. I understand fans do not have an impact on who plays but people along side of McNair are not happy that the people who are in their stadium are booing and unhappy as soon as Schaub walked on the field. I may be in the minority but Kubiak is just the play caller now, I do not even view him as having much say anymore. Just how I see it others may not agree.

I don't agree with your assumption that Kubiak knows he is a lame-duck head coach, and that he is being forced to start Keenum, but IF that were true, and the bolded is also true, why would you expect him to call plays that cater to Keenum's strengths?

Because he would like a next job?

If Kubiak gets another OC/HC job (and he will), it will be based on his 11 years as an OC in Denver, where they won 2 SBs, and his 8 years as a HC in Houston, where he guided them to their only playoff berths and playoff victories, NOT on how successful/unsuccessful an UDFA QB does on a team without it's best player available that is merely playing out the string on a 2-8 season.

LOL

What are you LOLing about?

You really think that if Kubiak gets fired and is interviewing for an OC/HC position; 4 games where an UDFA QB did poorly because he called bad plays will outweigh being OC for 2 superbowl teams, and being HC for (basically) an expansion team that was in the league basement that he led to 2 divisional championships?

know the history in Denver (short leash) and two wild card wins against the Bengals aren't really quality wins. Add that to a coach who has managed to take a team destined for greatness into a hell hole of mediocrity and fail...all this in 7 years. If a team has a 10 year time horizon then sure, hire Kubiak and pray to Jesus things will be different.

You keep making this point, and its ridiculous. They are two playoff victories. You can call them what you want, the fact is that he won 2 playoff games. You don't like/respect Kubiak, that's great, but facts are facts. Just because you keep repeating this over and over again, ad nauseam, doesn't make it true.

 

[Major]

I never realized how bad of a coach Kubiak is. He puts a young quarterback on a short leash when their season is lost, after leaving Schaub in to blow game after game to get them to this point. It just hurts my head just thinking about it.

I fully believe after this past Sunday Kubiak has no say in the QB position from here on out. Part of his punishment is having to start Keenum for the rest of the season. I understand fans do not have an impact on who plays but people along side of McNair are not happy that the people who are in their stadium are booing and unhappy as soon as Schaub walked on the field. I may be in the minority but Kubiak is just the play caller now, I do not even view him as having much say anymore. Just how I see it others may not agree.

I don't agree with your assumption that Kubiak knows he is a lame-duck head coach, and that he is being forced to start Keenum, but IF that were true, and the bolded is also true, why would you expect him to call plays that cater to Keenum's strengths?

Because he would like a next job?

If Kubiak gets another OC/HC job (and he will), it will be based on his 11 years as an OC in Denver, where they won 2 SBs, and his 8 years as a HC in Houston, where he guided them to their only playoff berths and playoff victories, NOT on how successful/unsuccessful an UDFA QB does on a team without it's best player available that is merely playing out the string on a 2-8 season.

LOL

What are you LOLing about?

You really think that if Kubiak gets fired and is interviewing for an OC/HC position; 4 games where an UDFA QB did poorly because he called bad plays will outweigh being OC for 2 superbowl teams, and being HC for (basically) an expansion team that was in the league basement that he led to 2 divisional championships?

know the history in Denver (short leash) and two wild card wins against the Bengals aren't really quality wins. Add that to a coach who has managed to take a team destined for greatness into a hell hole of mediocrity and fail...all this in 7 years. If a team has a 10 year time horizon then sure, hire Kubiak and pray to Jesus things will be different.

You keep making this point, and its ridiculous. They are two playoff victories. You can call them what you want, the fact is that he won 2 playoff games. You don't like/respect Kubiak, that's great, but facts are facts. Just because you keep repeating this over and over again, ad nauseam, doesn't make it true.

it's true though...you call that success? have fun being average, guy

 

[Bayhawks]

I never realized how bad of a coach Kubiak is. He puts a young quarterback on a short leash when their season is lost, after leaving Schaub in to blow game after game to get them to this point. It just hurts my head just thinking about it.

I fully believe after this past Sunday Kubiak has no say in the QB position from here on out. Part of his punishment is having to start Keenum for the rest of the season. I understand fans do not have an impact on who plays but people along side of McNair are not happy that the people who are in their stadium are booing and unhappy as soon as Schaub walked on the field. I may be in the minority but Kubiak is just the play caller now, I do not even view him as having much say anymore. Just how I see it others may not agree.

I don't agree with your assumption that Kubiak knows he is a lame-duck head coach, and that he is being forced to start Keenum, but IF that were true, and the bolded is also true, why would you expect him to call plays that cater to Keenum's strengths?

Because he would like a next job?

If Kubiak gets another OC/HC job (and he will), it will be based on his 11 years as an OC in Denver, where they won 2 SBs, and his 8 years as a HC in Houston, where he guided them to their only playoff berths and playoff victories, NOT on how successful/unsuccessful an UDFA QB does on a team without it's best player available that is merely playing out the string on a 2-8 season.

LOL

What are you LOLing about?

You really think that if Kubiak gets fired and is interviewing for an OC/HC position; 4 games where an UDFA QB did poorly because he called bad plays will outweigh being OC for 2 superbowl teams, and being HC for (basically) an expansion team that was in the league basement that he led to 2 divisional championships?

know the history in Denver (short leash) and two wild card wins against the Bengals aren't really quality wins. Add that to a coach who has managed to take a team destined for greatness into a hell hole of mediocrity and fail...all this in 7 years. If a team has a 10 year time horizon then sure, hire Kubiak and pray to Jesus things will be different.

You keep making this point, and its ridiculous. They are two playoff victories. You can call them what you want, the fact is that he won 2 playoff games. You don't like/respect Kubiak, that's great, but facts are facts. Just because you keep repeating this over and over again, ad nauseam, doesn't make it true.

it's true though...you call that success? have fun being average, guy

Again, just because you keep repeating a falsehood does not make it true, guy.

Before Kubiak-Houston had never even had a .500 season (albeit only in 4 years of existence); since Kubiak, 2 .500 seasons, 3 winning seasons, 2 division titles, 2 playoff victories. Compared to what Houston had before they got there, yeah, that's success.

As far as average, look at all the recycled coaches in the NFL, you'll see that the performance that you call "average" will get them re-hired all day long.

 

[msudaisy26]

I never realized how bad of a coach Kubiak is. He puts a young quarterback on a short leash when their season is lost, after leaving Schaub in to blow game after game to get them to this point. It just hurts my head just thinking about it.

I fully believe after this past Sunday Kubiak has no say in the QB position from here on out. Part of his punishment is having to start Keenum for the rest of the season. I understand fans do not have an impact on who plays but people along side of McNair are not happy that the people who are in their stadium are booing and unhappy as soon as Schaub walked on the field. I may be in the minority but Kubiak is just the play caller now, I do not even view him as having much say anymore. Just how I see it others may not agree.

I don't agree with your assumption that Kubiak knows he is a lame-duck head coach, and that he is being forced to start Keenum, but IF that were true, and the bolded is also true, why would you expect him to call plays that cater to Keenum's strengths?

Because he would like a next job?

That is what scares me, if Kubiak wants another job how does he explain in the next interview that he pulled a young quarterback, that has getting pressured all game but still managed to keep his team in the game, complete more then 50 percent of his passes and throw only 1 pick?

My thought is he doesn't see it as a mistake, and isn't looking out for what is best for the Texans. Which means it is hard to start Keenum in fantasy right now because he could get the hook at any time.

 

[msudaisy26]

I don't agree with your assumption that Kubiak knows he is a lame-duck head coach, and that he is being forced to start Keenum, but IF that were true, and the bolded is also true, why would

What are you LOLing about?

You really think that if Kubiak gets fired and is interviewing for an OC/HC position; 4 games where an UDFA QB did poorly because he called bad plays will outweigh being OC for 2 superbowl teams, and being HC for (basically) an expansion team that was in the league basement that he led to 2 divisional championships?

know the history in Denver (short leash) and two wild card wins against the Bengals aren't really quality wins. Add that to a coach who has managed to take a team destined for greatness into a hell hole of mediocrity and fail...all this in 7 years. If a team has a 10 year time horizon then sure, hire Kubiak and pray to Jesus things will be different.

You keep making this point, and its ridiculous. They are two playoff victories. You can call them what you want, the fact is that he won 2 playoff games. You don't like/respect Kubiak, that's great, but facts are facts. Just because you keep repeating this over and over again, ad nauseam, doesn't make it true.

it's true though...you call that success? have fun being average, guy

Again, just because you keep repeating a falsehood does not make it true, guy.

Before Kubiak-Houston had never even had a .500 season (albeit only in 4 years of existence); since Kubiak, 2 .500 seasons, 3 winning seasons, 2 division titles, 2 playoff victories. Compared to what Houston had before they got there, yeah, that's success.

As far as average, look at all the recycled coaches in the NFL, you'll see that the performance that you call "average" will get them re-hired all day long.

As bad as I think Kubiak is I think he gets a pass that first year they won a playoff game, their defense was one of the best in the league and I believe they had the 1 or 2 seed in the AFC when Schaub went down for the year. He had to start a rookie, T.J. Yates the rest of the season and he got the division and playoff win and was in the game with the Ravens. I honestly think that if Schaub stays healthy that year or they had a decent back up that the Texans would have been in the Super Bowl and possibly won it.

 

[Houston turmOiler]

Ive got a feeling Kubiak got enough grief this past week and wont do it again....Andre Johnson might go ballistic....FWIW Lance Zuerlien of 790 said that Andre was still pissed in the locker room before the media was allowed in....hes usually pretty accurate

 

[Major]

I don't agree with your assumption that Kubiak knows he is a lame-duck head coach, and that he is being forced to start Keenum, but IF that were true, and the bolded is also true, why would

What are you LOLing about?

You really think that if Kubiak gets fired and is interviewing for an OC/HC position; 4 games where an UDFA QB did poorly because he called bad plays will outweigh being OC for 2 superbowl teams, and being HC for (basically) an expansion team that was in the league basement that he led to 2 divisional championships?

know the history in Denver (short leash) and two wild card wins against the Bengals aren't really quality wins. Add that to a coach who has managed to take a team destined for greatness into a hell hole of mediocrity and fail...all this in 7 years. If a team has a 10 year time horizon then sure, hire Kubiak and pray to Jesus things will be different.

You keep making this point, and its ridiculous. They are two playoff victories. You can call them what you want, the fact is that he won 2 playoff games. You don't like/respect Kubiak, that's great, but facts are facts. Just because you keep repeating this over and over again, ad nauseam, doesn't make it true.

it's true though...you call that success? have fun being average, guy

Again, just because you keep repeating a falsehood does not make it true, guy.

Before Kubiak-Houston had never even had a .500 season (albeit only in 4 years of existence); since Kubiak, 2 .500 seasons, 3 winning seasons, 2 division titles, 2 playoff victories. Compared to what Houston had before they got there, yeah, that's success.

As far as average, look at all the recycled coaches in the NFL, you'll see that the performance that you call "average" will get them re-hired all day long.

As bad as I think Kubiak is I think he gets a pass that first year they won a playoff game, their defense was one of the best in the league and I believe they had the 1 or 2 seed in the AFC when Schaub went down for the year. He had to start a rookie, T.J. Yates the rest of the season and he got the division and playoff win and was in the game with the Ravens. I honestly think that if Schaub stays healthy that year or they had a decent back up that the Texans would have been in the Super Bowl and possibly won it.

you don't know Matt Schaub very well. He's about as clutch as Tony Romo.

 

[Major]

Again, just because you keep repeating a falsehood does not make it true, guy.


Before Kubiak-Houston had never even had a .500 season (albeit only in 4 years of existence); since Kubiak, 2 .500 seasons, 3 winning seasons, 2 division titles, 2 playoff victories. Compared to what Houston had before they got there, yeah, that's success.

As far as average, look at all the recycled coaches in the NFL, you'll see that the performance that you call "average" will get them re-hired all day long.

you seem like a typical stats/fantasy league guy who can't see the forest for the trees...weak division, poor/avg performance with great teams and horrendous play calling, clock mgmt and lack of clutch play equals a whole lotta fail.