QB Case Keenum, HOU (1 Viewer)

[msudaisy26]

What are you LOLing about?

You really think that if Kubiak gets fired and is interviewing for an OC/HC position; 4 games where an UDFA QB did poorly because he called bad plays will outweigh being OC for 2 superbowl teams, and being HC for (basically) an expansion team that was in the league basement that he led to 2 divisional championships?

know the history in Denver (short leash) and two wild card wins against the Bengals aren't really quality wins. Add that to a coach who has managed to take a team destined for greatness into a hell hole of mediocrity and fail...all this in 7 years. If a team has a 10 year time horizon then sure, hire Kubiak and pray to Jesus things will be different.

You keep making this point, and its ridiculous. They are two playoff victories. You can call them what you want, the fact is that he won 2 playoff games. You don't like/respect Kubiak, that's great, but facts are facts. Just because you keep repeating this over and over again, ad nauseam, doesn't make it true.

it's true though...you call that success? have fun being average, guy

Again, just because you keep repeating a falsehood does not make it true, guy.

Before Kubiak-Houston had never even had a .500 season (albeit only in 4 years of existence); since Kubiak, 2 .500 seasons, 3 winning seasons, 2 division titles, 2 playoff victories. Compared to what Houston had before they got there, yeah, that's success.

As far as average, look at all the recycled coaches in the NFL, you'll see that the performance that you call "average" will get them re-hired all day long.

As bad as I think Kubiak is I think he gets a pass that first year they won a playoff game, their defense was one of the best in the league and I believe they had the 1 or 2 seed in the AFC when Schaub went down for the year. He had to start a rookie, T.J. Yates the rest of the season and he got the division and playoff win and was in the game with the Ravens. I honestly think that if Schaub stays healthy that year or they had a decent back up that the Texans would have been in the Super Bowl and possibly won it.

you don't know Matt Schaub very well. He's about as clutch as Tony Romo.

He didn't have to be, he just had to be Alex Smith that year. That defense was scary and Foster was a beast. Remember he ran for like 150 yards against the Ravens and this is when their defense was still very very good and they were loading up the box.

 

[Major]

What are you LOLing about?

You really think that if Kubiak gets fired and is interviewing for an OC/HC position; 4 games where an UDFA QB did poorly because he called bad plays will outweigh being OC for 2 superbowl teams, and being HC for (basically) an expansion team that was in the league basement that he led to 2 divisional championships?

know the history in Denver (short leash) and two wild card wins against the Bengals aren't really quality wins. Add that to a coach who has managed to take a team destined for greatness into a hell hole of mediocrity and fail...all this in 7 years. If a team has a 10 year time horizon then sure, hire Kubiak and pray to Jesus things will be different.

You keep making this point, and its ridiculous. They are two playoff victories. You can call them what you want, the fact is that he won 2 playoff games. You don't like/respect Kubiak, that's great, but facts are facts. Just because you keep repeating this over and over again, ad nauseam, doesn't make it true.

it's true though...you call that success? have fun being average, guy

Again, just because you keep repeating a falsehood does not make it true, guy.

Before Kubiak-Houston had never even had a .500 season (albeit only in 4 years of existence); since Kubiak, 2 .500 seasons, 3 winning seasons, 2 division titles, 2 playoff victories. Compared to what Houston had before they got there, yeah, that's success.

As far as average, look at all the recycled coaches in the NFL, you'll see that the performance that you call "average" will get them re-hired all day long.

As bad as I think Kubiak is I think he gets a pass that first year they won a playoff game, their defense was one of the best in the league and I believe they had the 1 or 2 seed in the AFC when Schaub went down for the year. He had to start a rookie, T.J. Yates the rest of the season and he got the division and playoff win and was in the game with the Ravens. I honestly think that if Schaub stays healthy that year or they had a decent back up that the Texans would have been in the Super Bowl and possibly won it.

you don't know Matt Schaub very well. He's about as clutch as Tony Romo.

He didn't have to be, he just had to be Alex Smith that year. That defense was scary and Foster was a beast. Remember he ran for like 150 yards against the Ravens and this is when their defense was still very very good and they were loading up the box.

you have to score TDs in the playoffs. Schaub can't when defenses tighten up. His stats are fluff b/c of all the 5-10 yd throws the D gives him when games are out of reach...I do agree with the heart of your thesis but you need a capable leader who won't screw things up and Schaub eventually will. The guy has a ponytail for a heart.

 

[FUBAR]

I bet kubiak gets another hc gig within a few years.

 

[False Start]

Ive got a feeling Kubiak got enough grief this past week and wont do it again....Andre Johnson might go ballistic....FWIW Lance Zuerlien of 790 said that Andre was still pissed in the locker room before the media was allowed in....hes usually pretty accurate

Andre being angry tells me all I needed to know. McNair wants to keep Andre, not Kubiak. AJs happiness is important to McNair as he is the face of the franchise and him being unhappy is bad for business and AJ seems to really like Keenum or at least it would seem. I feel almost certain Keenum will see every snap barring injury or blowout. Keenum has a chance to be this teams future they want to see him in crucial comeback situations. If we all can see Kubiak made a mistake chances are someone who is above him did too.

 

[Houston turmOiler]

I cant remember where Ive heard it but McNair feels like Andre is the franchises first Hall of Famer.....I would agree with that.

What the players didnt seem to understand about the whole wishy washy fans issue is that, at the moment Schaub came in, was that winning wasnt the priority anymore. It was time to make a statement to the entire organization about our opinion of the franchises direction the only way we really can. We didnt care if you could hear the stupid snap count- Bob McNair needed to hear us. The game itself became irrelevant to us. Andres dissatisfaction just reinforced what we all can see. I think-i hope- that hit home with McNair and is the beginning of sending us in a new direction. That starts with going all-in with Keenum from this point forward. Thats why I think Case is staying in.

 

[False Start]

I cant remember where Ive heard it but McNair feels like Andre is the franchises first Hall of Famer.....I would agree with that.

What the players didnt seem to understand about the whole wishy washy fans issue is that, at the moment Schaub came in, was that winning wasnt the priority anymore. It was time to make a statement to the entire organization about our opinion of the franchises direction the only way we really can. We didnt care if you could hear the stupid snap count- Bob McNair needed to hear us. The game itself became irrelevant to us. Andres dissatisfaction just reinforced what we all can see. I think-i hope- that hit home with McNair and is the beginning of sending us in a new direction. That starts with going all-in with Keenum from this point forward. Thats why I think Case is staying in.

 

[danielmclark]

I cant remember where Ive heard it but McNair feels like Andre is the franchises first Hall of Famer.....I would agree with that.

What the players didnt seem to understand about the whole wishy washy fans issue is that, at the moment Schaub came in, was that winning wasnt the priority anymore. It was time to make a statement to the entire organization about our opinion of the franchises direction the only way we really can. We didnt care if you could hear the stupid snap count- Bob McNair needed to hear us. The game itself became irrelevant to us. Andres dissatisfaction just reinforced what we all can see. I think-i hope- that hit home with McNair and is the beginning of sending us in a new direction. That starts with going all-in with Keenum from this point forward. Thats why I think Case is staying in.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Where would dynasty leaguers rank Keenum among this year's rookie crop of QB's? (I know Keenum isn't a rookie, but he's starting for the first time like these guys)

 

[GregR]

Spent a little time watching the coaches film tonight. I thought some of Case's best play in terms of getting rid of the ball on time and getting into a good rhythm with his footwork was during the two minute drill at the end of the first half. I don't know how much time he's had to work on that in practice so far... he'd only had what, 4 weeks of practice going into the game. Wiith some of that being spent on thing as fundamental as getting more comfortable taking snaps from under center, judging by how the number of those has ramped up each game. Someone else mentioned how used to it he was in college under Sumlin, the hurry up part that is. Might be something they want to work on with him to fit into the gameplan more.

Other times he wasn't pulling the trigger. Graham had a route that the defender slipped and Case was staring him down the whole play, but didn't throw it yet. I could see not throwing it on the initial break because the defender did try to break on it, but soon as he fell, throw the ball. Case double clutched after the guy fell before throwing it and the defender has closed by then and not much chance of a completion. Some of his worst plays were in the two series before he got pulled. Someone mentioned not changing the play calling to protect him. There was one play around that time, they set up in trips formation and kept 7 in to block. Blockers picked up the blitz plenty long, plenty of time to get rid of the ball. Especially as no one even covered Posey as he ran his route, defender got lost in the scrum coming out of the trips formation. Case seemed to spot him early and stare him down with plenty of room to throw it. Instead he triple-stepped straight towards Posey still staring him down until finally the pass rush got free and sacked him and he fumbled.

Another play in his final series, Oakland blitzed, with two players coming on a delayed blitz. 7 blockers back at first and then Tate slips out as check down, nearest defender downfield is like 15 yards from Tate, it would have been a huge gain. The 3 receivers downfield were covered, he had good protection up through that point a QB's clock has to be going off and looking to the check down if no one else is there. Instead he threw it away downfield.

Case throws really well on the run... I can't recall the Texans moving the pocket for a QB very much. Though that wouldn't really have fit Schaub well as a QB, nor really Yates all that much either. It might be something to consider with Case, I thought he sometimes looked more comfortable on the run than he did throwing from the pocket. Might be a height thing, at that.

 

[Bayhawks]

Again, just because you keep repeating a falsehood does not make it true, guy.


Before Kubiak-Houston had never even had a .500 season (albeit only in 4 years of existence); since Kubiak, 2 .500 seasons, 3 winning seasons, 2 division titles, 2 playoff victories. Compared to what Houston had before they got there, yeah, that's success.

As far as average, look at all the recycled coaches in the NFL, you'll see that the performance that you call "average" will get them re-hired all day long.

you seem like a typical stats/fantasy league guy who can't see the forest for the trees...weak division, poor/avg performance with great teams and horrendous play calling, clock mgmt and lack of clutch play equals a whole lotta fail.

I can't see the forest for the trees? You are looking at this with Texans-homer, Kubiak hate-tinted glasses on.

In their 4 years of existence prior to Kubiak arriving, Houston's best record was 7-9. In his 6+ years as HC, Kubiak has bettered that record in 5/6 years (soon to be 5/7).

Weak division? The Colts were annually considered a top 3-5 team in the NFL, and only 1 year (Peyton's neck year) did the fail to win double-digit games. No matter how bad Tenn and Jax were (and they had a few good years sprinkled in), the presence of the Colts made it very difficult for the Texans to "get over the hump." It was NOT a weak division.

Poor/average performance with great teams? What great teams? Until recently, the Texans didn't have good teams, let alone great teams. From 2006-2010, they were (on average) the 20th ranked offense & the 24th ranked defense in the NFL. They had very few pro-bowlers/all-pros (AJ, Schaub for 1 year, Ryans, Daniels once, Mario, Foster in 2010). They didn't have great players, and they didn't have great teams, until 2011.

In 2011 & 2012, the Texans had the 9th best offense, and the 7th best defense. They had 5 & 7 players who were pro-bowlers and/or all-pros. They had a .688 winning &, won their division both years, & advanced to the 2nd round of the playoffs each year.

Horrendous play calling? Perhaps at times, but the fact is that during his 7 full years as HC, he has had a top-12 offense 4 times. He did this with Carr, Rosenfels, Schaub, Yates at QB; Slaton & Dayne (until Foster arrived) at RB, and little beyond AJ at WR. You can complain about specific play calls (as most fans can/will), but the facts show that his offensive play calling was above-average & often accomplished without many above-average players.

As to his clock management, can't disagree with you, but it is a problem that, for some reason, many NFL HCs have. It's a simple fix, just designate 1 coach to have that responsibility, but many of them are poor in that area.

With regards to "clutch play," Kubiak is a COACH, not a player. Is Belicheck clutch because Tom Brady has historically been good at leading 4th quarter comebacks? Come on, man.

So, most of your "points" are baseless.

1-weak division? Fail, not when they Colts were dominant.

2-poor/avg performance with great teams? Fail, when he had great players/teams, he had a great winning percentage, won the division, and won playoff games.

3-bad play-calling? Fail

4-poor clock management? Succeed

5-lack of clutch play? Fail, not a coaching criteria

Again, you seem to be a Texans fan who dis-likes Kubiak. Fine. You don't seem to want him back as HC. Fine. Making up stuff that just isn't true, then repeating it over and over still doesn't make it true.

 

[False Start]

Again, just because you keep repeating a falsehood does not make it true, guy.


Before Kubiak-Houston had never even had a .500 season (albeit only in 4 years of existence); since Kubiak, 2 .500 seasons, 3 winning seasons, 2 division titles, 2 playoff victories. Compared to what Houston had before they got there, yeah, that's success.

As far as average, look at all the recycled coaches in the NFL, you'll see that the performance that you call "average" will get them re-hired all day long.

you seem like a typical stats/fantasy league guy who can't see the forest for the trees...weak division, poor/avg performance with great teams and horrendous play calling, clock mgmt and lack of clutch play equals a whole lotta fail.

I can't see the forest for the trees? You are looking at this with Texans-homer, Kubiak hate-tinted glasses on.

In their 4 years of existence prior to Kubiak arriving, Houston's best record was 7-9. In his 6+ years as HC, Kubiak has bettered that record in 5/6 years (soon to be 5/7).

Weak division? The Colts were annually considered a top 3-5 team in the NFL, and only 1 year (Peyton's neck year) did the fail to win double-digit games. No matter how bad Tenn and Jax were (and they had a few good years sprinkled in), the presence of the Colts made it very difficult for the Texans to "get over the hump." It was NOT a weak division.

Poor/average performance with great teams? What great teams? Until recently, the Texans didn't have good teams, let alone great teams. From 2006-2010, they were (on average) the 20th ranked offense & the 24th ranked defense in the NFL. They had very few pro-bowlers/all-pros (AJ, Schaub for 1 year, Ryans, Daniels once, Mario, Foster in 2010). They didn't have great players, and they didn't have great teams, until 2011.

In 2011 & 2012, the Texans had the 9th best offense, and the 7th best defense. They had 5 & 7 players who were pro-bowlers and/or all-pros. They had a .688 winning &, won their division both years, & advanced to the 2nd round of the playoffs each year.

Horrendous play calling? Perhaps at times, but the fact is that during his 7 full years as HC, he has had a top-12 offense 4 times. He did this with Carr, Rosenfels, Schaub, Yates at QB; Slaton & Dayne (until Foster arrived) at RB, and little beyond AJ at WR. You can complain about specific play calls (as most fans can/will), but the facts show that his offensive play calling was above-average & often accomplished without many above-average players.

As to his clock management, can't disagree with you, but it is a problem that, for some reason, many NFL HCs have. It's a simple fix, just designate 1 coach to have that responsibility, but many of them are poor in that area.

With regards to "clutch play," Kubiak is a COACH, not a player. Is Belicheck clutch because Tom Brady has historically been good at leading 4th quarter comebacks? Come on, man.

So, most of your "points" are baseless.

1-weak division? Fail, not when they Colts were dominant.

2-poor/avg performance with great teams? Fail, when he had great players/teams, he had a great winning percentage, won the division, and won playoff games.

3-bad play-calling? Fail

4-poor clock management? Succeed

5-lack of clutch play? Fail, not a coaching criteria

Again, you seem to be a Texans fan who dis-likes Kubiak. Fine. You don't seem to want him back as HC. Fine. Making up stuff that just isn't true, then repeating it over and over still doesn't make it true.

1* Benching a young QB who has been performing better than the person he replaced and needs to grow in learning situations in an already failed season for a guy who was part of this seasons demise and who he replaced to the sound of Boo's in your home stadium - FAIL

2* Going with Schaub too long (How many pick 6's in consecutive games did he need?) - FAIL

3* Going back to Schaub with a chance to still win the game just to try to prove you were right for staying with him as long as you did - FAIL

4* Not acknowledging that you made a mistake - Instant deserved hate from everyone with those Kubiak hate tinted glasses on and a FAIL

 

[Bayhawks]

Again, just because you keep repeating a falsehood does not make it true, guy.


Before Kubiak-Houston had never even had a .500 season (albeit only in 4 years of existence); since Kubiak, 2 .500 seasons, 3 winning seasons, 2 division titles, 2 playoff victories. Compared to what Houston had before they got there, yeah, that's success.

As far as average, look at all the recycled coaches in the NFL, you'll see that the performance that you call "average" will get them re-hired all day long.

you seem like a typical stats/fantasy league guy who can't see the forest for the trees...weak division, poor/avg performance with great teams and horrendous play calling, clock mgmt and lack of clutch play equals a whole lotta fail.

I can't see the forest for the trees? You are looking at this with Texans-homer, Kubiak hate-tinted glasses on.

In their 4 years of existence prior to Kubiak arriving, Houston's best record was 7-9. In his 6+ years as HC, Kubiak has bettered that record in 5/6 years (soon to be 5/7).

Weak division? The Colts were annually considered a top 3-5 team in the NFL, and only 1 year (Peyton's neck year) did the fail to win double-digit games. No matter how bad Tenn and Jax were (and they had a few good years sprinkled in), the presence of the Colts made it very difficult for the Texans to "get over the hump." It was NOT a weak division.

Poor/average performance with great teams? What great teams? Until recently, the Texans didn't have good teams, let alone great teams. From 2006-2010, they were (on average) the 20th ranked offense & the 24th ranked defense in the NFL. They had very few pro-bowlers/all-pros (AJ, Schaub for 1 year, Ryans, Daniels once, Mario, Foster in 2010). They didn't have great players, and they didn't have great teams, until 2011.

In 2011 & 2012, the Texans had the 9th best offense, and the 7th best defense. They had 5 & 7 players who were pro-bowlers and/or all-pros. They had a .688 winning &, won their division both years, & advanced to the 2nd round of the playoffs each year.

Horrendous play calling? Perhaps at times, but the fact is that during his 7 full years as HC, he has had a top-12 offense 4 times. He did this with Carr, Rosenfels, Schaub, Yates at QB; Slaton & Dayne (until Foster arrived) at RB, and little beyond AJ at WR. You can complain about specific play calls (as most fans can/will), but the facts show that his offensive play calling was above-average & often accomplished without many above-average players.

As to his clock management, can't disagree with you, but it is a problem that, for some reason, many NFL HCs have. It's a simple fix, just designate 1 coach to have that responsibility, but many of them are poor in that area.

With regards to "clutch play," Kubiak is a COACH, not a player. Is Belicheck clutch because Tom Brady has historically been good at leading 4th quarter comebacks? Come on, man.

So, most of your "points" are baseless.

1-weak division? Fail, not when they Colts were dominant.

2-poor/avg performance with great teams? Fail, when he had great players/teams, he had a great winning percentage, won the division, and won playoff games.

3-bad play-calling? Fail

4-poor clock management? Succeed

5-lack of clutch play? Fail, not a coaching criteria

Again, you seem to be a Texans fan who dis-likes Kubiak. Fine. You don't seem to want him back as HC. Fine. Making up stuff that just isn't true, then repeating it over and over still doesn't make it true.

1* Benching a young QB who has been performing better than the person he replaced and needs to grow in learning situations in an already failed season for a guy who was part of this seasons demise and who he replaced to the sound of Boo's in your home stadium - FAIL

2* Going with Schaub too long (How many pick 6's in consecutive games did he need?) - FAIL

3* Going back to Schaub with a chance to still win the game just to try to prove you were right for staying with him as long as you did - FAIL

4* Not acknowledging that you made a mistake - Instant deserved hate from everyone with those Kubiak hate tinted glasses on and a FAIL

Again, you are talking about a very short period of time and ignoring the long view.

Kubiak has made some bad mistakes this year (sticking with Schaub too long, benching Keenum, etc). That doesn't outweigh the fact that he greatly improved Houston's offense during his tenure as HC, that he won 2 division titles, and that he won the franchise's first 2 playoff games.

If/when he gets fired, he will coach again in the NFL, because despite Major's opinion of him, he has been a successful coach.

 

[Houston turmOiler]

Maybe he will be a head coach maybe he won't I wouldn't want him.... He's proving and showing a lot of bad traits that have already been discussed in this thread. He is mediocre and now a health risk.... Personally I would rather take a chance on someone who might be great.

I am guilty of this is well but we've kinda hijacked the thread.... Let's get back to Keenum

 

[jsharlan]

Kubiak has proven he should be a coordinator, not a head coach. He can scheme a good offensive, stat wise, but doesn't have the ability to look at the big picture and manage an entire roster properly. Remember what a trainwreck his choices for defensive coordinator were before McNair finally made him hire someone from the outside. His selective accountability and favoritism do not fit well as a head coach. His teams are repeatedly lacking mental toughness and any kind of a mean streak. It takes a different set of leadership skills to go from successful coordinator to successful head coach, and some good coordinators just don't have those management skills. Kubiak is one of them.

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

I like Case to bounce back this week and Andre Johnson to have a big game as well

I picked Case off the WW out of desperation (just occurred to me last week that Wilson and Dalton share a bye ) but, assuming he'll have a long enough leash, man, does this kid have a juicy set of ROS matchups.

Remaining schedule, including FO's defensive DVOA ranking:

12 - Jags (31st)

13 - Patriots (14th)

14 - Jags (31st)

15 - Colts (24th)

16 - Broncos (17th)

Now add to that the garbage-time potential from being down three scores in the second half against the Pats, Colts, and Broncos, and top-12 fantasy numbers the rest of the season suddenly looks reasonable.

 

[GregR]

I don't know if Kubiak will ever get another NFL head coaching gig.

I think it's unreasonable to believe there's no way anyone would hire him as a NFL offensive coordinator. If he is willing to go back to that, I'm sure he's going to get hired. Look no further than Dom Capers, who as Texans head coach was an exponentially bigger failure than Kubiak has been.

If Kubiak does get a head coach job again, it will probably be because he goes back to offensive coordinator for awhile and his offenses do so well that he again becomes a notable candidate. Similar to how guys like Wade Phillips and Norv Turner have continued to get head coaching opportunities over the years.

 

[Major]

Again, just because you keep repeating a falsehood does not make it true, guy.


Before Kubiak-Houston had never even had a .500 season (albeit only in 4 years of existence); since Kubiak, 2 .500 seasons, 3 winning seasons, 2 division titles, 2 playoff victories. Compared to what Houston had before they got there, yeah, that's success.

As far as average, look at all the recycled coaches in the NFL, you'll see that the performance that you call "average" will get them re-hired all day long.

you seem like a typical stats/fantasy league guy who can't see the forest for the trees...weak division, poor/avg performance with great teams and horrendous play calling, clock mgmt and lack of clutch play equals a whole lotta fail.

I can't see the forest for the trees? You are looking at this with Texans-homer, Kubiak hate-tinted glasses on.

In their 4 years of existence prior to Kubiak arriving, Houston's best record was 7-9. In his 6+ years as HC, Kubiak has bettered that record in 5/6 years (soon to be 5/7).

Weak division? The Colts were annually considered a top 3-5 team in the NFL, and only 1 year (Peyton's neck year) did the fail to win double-digit games. No matter how bad Tenn and Jax were (and they had a few good years sprinkled in), the presence of the Colts made it very difficult for the Texans to "get over the hump." It was NOT a weak division.

Poor/average performance with great teams? What great teams? Until recently, the Texans didn't have good teams, let alone great teams. From 2006-2010, they were (on average) the 20th ranked offense & the 24th ranked defense in the NFL. They had very few pro-bowlers/all-pros (AJ, Schaub for 1 year, Ryans, Daniels once, Mario, Foster in 2010). They didn't have great players, and they didn't have great teams, until 2011.

In 2011 & 2012, the Texans had the 9th best offense, and the 7th best defense. They had 5 & 7 players who were pro-bowlers and/or all-pros. They had a .688 winning &, won their division both years, & advanced to the 2nd round of the playoffs each year.

Horrendous play calling? Perhaps at times, but the fact is that during his 7 full years as HC, he has had a top-12 offense 4 times. He did this with Carr, Rosenfels, Schaub, Yates at QB; Slaton & Dayne (until Foster arrived) at RB, and little beyond AJ at WR. You can complain about specific play calls (as most fans can/will), but the facts show that his offensive play calling was above-average & often accomplished without many above-average players.

As to his clock management, can't disagree with you, but it is a problem that, for some reason, many NFL HCs have. It's a simple fix, just designate 1 coach to have that responsibility, but many of them are poor in that area.

With regards to "clutch play," Kubiak is a COACH, not a player. Is Belicheck clutch because Tom Brady has historically been good at leading 4th quarter comebacks? Come on, man.

So, most of your "points" are baseless.

1-weak division? Fail, not when they Colts were dominant.

2-poor/avg performance with great teams? Fail, when he had great players/teams, he had a great winning percentage, won the division, and won playoff games.

3-bad play-calling? Fail

4-poor clock management? Succeed

5-lack of clutch play? Fail, not a coaching criteria

Again, you seem to be a Texans fan who dis-likes Kubiak. Fine. You don't seem to want him back as HC. Fine. Making up stuff that just isn't true, then repeating it over and over still doesn't make it true.

1* Benching a young QB who has been performing better than the person he replaced and needs to grow in learning situations in an already failed season for a guy who was part of this seasons demise and who he replaced to the sound of Boo's in your home stadium - FAIL

2* Going with Schaub too long (How many pick 6's in consecutive games did he need?) - FAIL

3* Going back to Schaub with a chance to still win the game just to try to prove you were right for staying with him as long as you did - FAIL

4* Not acknowledging that you made a mistake - Instant deserved hate from everyone with those Kubiak hate tinted glasses on and a FAIL

Again, you are talking about a very short period of time and ignoring the long view.

Kubiak has made some bad mistakes this year (sticking with Schaub too long, benching Keenum, etc). That doesn't outweigh the fact that he greatly improved Houston's offense during his tenure as HC, that he won 2 division titles, and that he won the franchise's first 2 playoff games.

If/when he gets fired, he will coach again in the NFL, because despite Major's opinion of him, he has been a successful coach.

LOL...Gary, is that you?

 

[Koya]

Ok, enough about Kubiak - start a Kubiak thread already.

Any word from practice etc about Keenum? How is he looking, how dedicated to him is the team? Is he taking all snaps, is Schaub taking anything more than a backup's share?

 

[Major]

Ok, enough about Kubiak - start a Kubiak thread already.

Any word from practice etc about Keenum? How is he looking, how dedicated to him is the team? Is he taking all snaps, is Schaub taking anything more than a backup's share?

 

[GregR]

For those worried about starting Keenum, I agree with those who think there is not much chance of Keenum being pulled after how things fell out last week.

 

[Isotopes]

I am not close to the situation in Houston, and appreciate the perspective on Kubiak as a fan of the game. But, as I put on my fantasy football hat I have decided to start Keenum with confidence this week. I have RG3 and also Matty Ice, and have been torn all week - but the matchup is juicy enough to warrant the start. My concerns were whether Keenum would get pulled halfway through the game, and like the responses here on the board that seem to indicate his removal is unlikely.

 

[Koya]

I am not close to the situation in Houston, and appreciate the perspective on Kubiak as a fan of the game. But, as I put on my fantasy football hat I have decided to start Keenum with confidence this week. I have RG3 and also Matty Ice, and have been torn all week - but the matchup is juicy enough to warrant the start. My concerns were whether Keenum would get pulled halfway through the game, and like the responses here on the board that seem to indicate his removal is unlikely.

I would think a benching is unlikely, but if he struggles a lot, who knows. Then again, if you start him and he's just terrible, it may not matter that he's benched.

The benching / role issue concerns me more for the weeks ahead of this week in 2QB leagues where starters are scarce. Few guys with as much up/down side as Keenum.

 

[Isotopes]

I have him in a start 2 qb league, and am cautiously optimistic about his chances of blowing up.

 

[Houston turmOiler]

I'm starting him over rg3 I don't trust that guy very much right now either...

 

[qimqam]

I'm starting him over rg3 I don't trust that guy very much right now either...

Thinking of doing the same ...my opponent has Andre Johnson so I'm thinking if Kennum sux so will Johnson and it's a wash

 

[Houston turmOiler]

I going to every game with the fear that Griffin is going to get knocked out of it.... Kinda offsets the fear of Keenum being benched

 

[Hu-Tang Clan]

I may need to cut Keenum to pick up a D with Seahawks on bye but don't really want to. My starter is Romo so I don't think I plan on starting Case ever and don't have anyone else I want to drop but I think it may come back to haunt me.

 

[Major]

Getting the start in all 3 of my leagues

 

[AcerFC]

Starting him over M Ryan and Flacco

 

[jagbag]

I'm starting him over rg3 I don't trust that guy very much right now either...

Spot on. I'm right there with you.

 

[swampdog]

Starting Keenum (my QB3) over Romo and Rivers, in a TD heavy league.

Romo plays against the Giants, and they haven't given up a Passing TD in over 5 games. (Yikes, I know Dez will have 20 targets, and maybe 135 yards but I need TD's).

And Rivers (his face is right next to Disappointment in my San Diego Webster's Dictionary)

So I roll the dice and go with the youngster, I need a big week, and they only way I get a big week from one of these three, is Keenum. He may even get pulled in the fourth, because he has thrown 3TD's plus 3 INT's and they pull him. But I need the TD's.

I am not making a decision on who the better QB is, I am just scrounging for points wherever I can get them.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Starting Keenum over Brady - hope he plays the full game today.

 

[FUBAR]

Starting Keenum over Brady - hope he plays the full game today.

Now that's bold.

I have him in over Romo, but not Stafford (2 leagues)

 

[Dondante]

+1 for Keenum over Romo

 

[MNTom]

+1 for Keenum over Romo

Debating this decision also. I have Tate in so am hoping for TD runs.

 

[Houston turmOiler]

I probably wouldn't trust Keenum over guys like Brady or Romo right now but I'm playing him over RGIII against SF

 

[FinHead]

With Foles on a bye, I'm starting Keenum over Ryan in a must win division game.

 

[Dondante]

I probably wouldn't trust Keenum over guys like Brady or Romo right now but I'm playing him over RGIII against S

Wow. trust and romo and brady in the same sentence...

 

[Goooals]

I'm not liking the QB matchups this week. Add the weather factor in some of the big games and I like Keenum to finish top 10, possibly top 5.

 

[meatwad1]

This smells like a fart.

I hope I am wrong.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Yup, he looks terrible, play calls have been terrible, play execution has been terrible.

He looks like he has regressed significantly, even since last week.

 

[monk]

23 f...ing yards but that ok because I have Tate going as well ... Oh sh!t!!!!!

How is this team getting smoked by Jax?

 

[RenegadeGM]

After seeing Palmer throw for 400+ on the Jags last week, I took a shot on Keenum.

Still relatively early, but already looks like a huge mistake.

 

[meatwad1]

Is it possible that Kubiak is sabotaging Keenum and the team?

 

[Tool]

Johnny was a schoolboy when he heard his first Beatle song,
'Love me do,' I think it was. From there it didn't take him long.
Got himself a guitar, used to play every night,
Now he's in a rock 'n' roll outfit,

And everything's all right, don't you know?....

 

[monk]

Johnny was a schoolboy when he heard his first Beatle song,

'Love me do,' I think it was. From there it didn't take him long.

Got himself a guitar, used to play every night,

Now he's in a rock 'n' roll outfit,

And everything's all right, don't you know?....

WTF ???

 

[mbuehner]

 

[Houston turmOiler]

Pathetic....pretty much unusable anymore. This team is too much of a disaster

 

[Insein]

Killing Andre. Ugh. How does it go from airing it out at will to this.

 

[Boone22]

Johnny was a schoolboy when he heard his first Beatle song,

'Love me do,' I think it was. From there it didn't take him long.

Got himself a guitar, used to play every night,

Now he's in a rock 'n' roll outfit,

And everything's all right, don't you know?....

WTF ???

Shooting Star... A song by Bad Company