QB Dak Prescott, DAL (1 Viewer)

[JohnnyU]

Yeah but those rookies have more playing experience than Lance, right? He barely played college.

It's really worse then just his lack of barely playing in college. On top of being very inexperienced he's rusty. From 2020 until now he's attempted 132 passes. Sure he's played in some preseason games and had some training camp but this guy has hardly played football since 2019. Watson still has not looked like his old self and he had plenty of experience, was proven, and was only out for 1.5 years.

Tough situation for Lance and he's faced with the oldest catch 22 in the books. Lack of experience prevents him from getting the work, the lack of work prevents him from getting experience. Add that to the layoff of hardly playing and I don't see how this changes for him. What coach is going to risk their job for that? Not the situation for a lot of on the job training. Might need to exit the NFL at some point and roam the spring leagues or start singing O' Canada for awhile.

Someone will give him a shot. I'm not worried about that. Even all that you have said I don't agree or disagree with you. He will be viewed as a backup prospect at worst. The Cowboys spent a 4th on him to bring him in. It only takes one team and there is more than one team that would bring him in and kick the tires as a backup. I think he still is well thought of as a young raw talent. He is a prospective player who is young. He also fits what scouts and gms like in today's NFL. He has the size and a cannon for an arm. He is mobile in and out of the pocket. Someone is going to want to see him as a project and at his cost can you blame them? In my opinion, he is a long way from stepping out of the league. Just on his age and draft pedigree alone no matter how bad the trade looks. Don't get it twisted. I see him as a prospective project and I don't see him replacing Dak Prescott or being on Dak's level.

I also think he is stuck in Dallas for the time being. He could be traded later when there is an injury elsewhere and depth might be needed. He could gain the Cowboys assets in that way for sure.

And herein lies my problem with Dak. His level? His level isn't good enough. His level is good against average to bad NFL teams and his level is not good when it comes to playoff football. It's not just a problem, it's a pattern. At 31, he is what he is.

4500 / 36 / 9 is pretty good for fantasy. I couldn’t care less about anything else, especially from a guy who is my 3rd QB.

Oh, he's fine for fantasy. My criticisms are on a different level - I care about the Cowboys winning real football games, but for fantasy? Sure, go with Dak. As long as they league doesn't deduct too much for INTs.

The criticism for his INTs is greatly exaggerated. Favre was worse at it than he is. So was Warren Moon.

His 3.7% INT rate in 2022 ranked 34th, below Davis Mills, Carson Wentz and Justin Fields, who I don't think anybody would confuse with Favre or Moon.
His INTs were a big reason the Cowboys prematurely exited the playoffs in 2022 and 2023 and his poor play overall helped author their 2021 exit as well. Sacked 5 times in that one, another issue that I suppose is greatly exaggerated.

Favre is the all- time leader in interceptions I believe.

 

[General Malaise]

Yeah but those rookies have more playing experience than Lance, right? He barely played college.

It's really worse then just his lack of barely playing in college. On top of being very inexperienced he's rusty. From 2020 until now he's attempted 132 passes. Sure he's played in some preseason games and had some training camp but this guy has hardly played football since 2019. Watson still has not looked like his old self and he had plenty of experience, was proven, and was only out for 1.5 years.

Tough situation for Lance and he's faced with the oldest catch 22 in the books. Lack of experience prevents him from getting the work, the lack of work prevents him from getting experience. Add that to the layoff of hardly playing and I don't see how this changes for him. What coach is going to risk their job for that? Not the situation for a lot of on the job training. Might need to exit the NFL at some point and roam the spring leagues or start singing O' Canada for awhile.

Someone will give him a shot. I'm not worried about that. Even all that you have said I don't agree or disagree with you. He will be viewed as a backup prospect at worst. The Cowboys spent a 4th on him to bring him in. It only takes one team and there is more than one team that would bring him in and kick the tires as a backup. I think he still is well thought of as a young raw talent. He is a prospective player who is young. He also fits what scouts and gms like in today's NFL. He has the size and a cannon for an arm. He is mobile in and out of the pocket. Someone is going to want to see him as a project and at his cost can you blame them? In my opinion, he is a long way from stepping out of the league. Just on his age and draft pedigree alone no matter how bad the trade looks. Don't get it twisted. I see him as a prospective project and I don't see him replacing Dak Prescott or being on Dak's level.

I also think he is stuck in Dallas for the time being. He could be traded later when there is an injury elsewhere and depth might be needed. He could gain the Cowboys assets in that way for sure.

And herein lies my problem with Dak. His level? His level isn't good enough. His level is good against average to bad NFL teams and his level is not good when it comes to playoff football. It's not just a problem, it's a pattern. At 31, he is what he is.

4500 / 36 / 9 is pretty good for fantasy. I couldn’t care less about anything else, especially from a guy who is my 3rd QB.

Oh, he's fine for fantasy. My criticisms are on a different level - I care about the Cowboys winning real football games, but for fantasy? Sure, go with Dak. As long as they league doesn't deduct too much for INTs.

The criticism for his INTs is greatly exaggerated. Favre was worse at it than he is. So was Warren Moon.

His 3.7% INT rate in 2022 ranked 34th, below Davis Mills, Carson Wentz and Justin Fields, who I don't think anybody would confuse with Favre or Moon.
His INTs were a big reason the Cowboys prematurely exited the playoffs in 2022 and 2023 and his poor play overall helped author their 2021 exit as well. Sacked 5 times in that one, another issue that I suppose is greatly exaggerated.

Favre is the all- time leader in interceptions I believe.

And he's also in the Hall of Fame and he also won a super bowl.....

Dak has yet to win two playoff games in the same season and can forget Canton.

 

[Faust]

Cowboys QB Dak Prescott expected to play on current contract for 2024 season

 

[Terpman22]

Cowboys QB Dak Prescott expected to play on current contract for 2024 season

Yikes. So if Dak balls out again: you pay an even bigger premium b/c there will be bidders. If he doesn't, the team probably isn't great, but Jerry Jones and Family get the coveted contract discount they seem to always be searching for.

 

[Gatorade]

The bad part is that in 2025 Dallas will take a $40 mil cap hit even if he is not on the roster.

 

[Terpman22]

The bad part is that in 2025 Dallas will take a $40 mil cap hit even if he is not on the roster.

Is that accurate? I thought part of the "retooling" of the contract was the fact that they added 2 void years. Could be wrong though.

 

[Gatorade]

The bad part is that in 2025 Dallas will take a $40 mil cap hit even if he is not on the roster.

Is that accurate? I thought part of the "retooling" of the contract was the fact that they added 2 void years. Could be wrong though.

Just read that at NFL.com
Unless they resign him and extend out further

 

[Alex P Keaton]

The bad part is that in 2025 Dallas will take a $40 mil cap hit even if he is not on the roster.

Couldn’t happen to a more perfect NFL owner

 

[Terpman22]

The bad part is that in 2025 Dallas will take a $40 mil cap hit even if he is not on the roster.

Is that accurate? I thought part of the "retooling" of the contract was the fact that they added 2 void years. Could be wrong though.

Just read that at NFL.com
Unless they resign him and extend out further

Damn, I just read that too.

"It's an interesting strategy, Cotton"

 

[massraider]

From a long term, fiscally sound point of view, this might be the best thing Dallas could do.

They are clearly ready to let him walk. Otherwise, they would have paid him. So maybe Dallas sees the same thing everyone here sees, which is that he's mid plus.

Taking the route of, OK we gonna eat some dirt this year with Dak's contract, but this way we aren't wasting 5 more years with him, just to gain some cap room this year.

If you don't believe in Dak as a QB, this is clearly the right move.

 

[Terpman22]

From a long term, fiscally sound point of view, this might be the best thing Dallas could do.

They are clearly ready to let him walk. Otherwise, they would have paid him. So maybe Dallas sees the same thing everyone here sees, which is that he's mid plus.

Taking the route of, OK we gonna eat some dirt this year with Dak's contract, but this way we aren't wasting 5 more years with him, just to gain some cap room this year.

If you don't believe in Dak as a QB, this is clearly the right move.

I hear ya here. But these moves are not made in a vacuum. They were just the 2 seed last year, 12 wins in 3 straight years and ya know if you tell guys like Micah and/or CD that they are signing up long term with a "Who" at QB, it could have quite the devastating domino effect.

 

[Todem]

From a long term, fiscally sound point of view, this might be the best thing Dallas could do.

They are clearly ready to let him walk. Otherwise, they would have paid him. So maybe Dallas sees the same thing everyone here sees, which is that he's mid plus.

Taking the route of, OK we gonna eat some dirt this year with Dak's contract, but this way we aren't wasting 5 more years with him, just to gain some cap room this year.

If you don't believe in Dak as a QB, this is clearly the right move.

I am sitting here....saying small prayers that the Dolphins do exactly what Dallas just did with Dak.....to Tua.

Let him walk.

Let someone else pay that guy 50-55MM.......he ain’t worth it......at all. Numbers means nothing. Wins vs playoff caliber teams is what matters. Putting a team on your back is what matters.

Dar ain't it......and neither is Tua.

Let some other suckers pay them.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

From a long term, fiscally sound point of view, this might be the best thing Dallas could do.

They are clearly ready to let him walk. Otherwise, they would have paid him. So maybe Dallas sees the same thing everyone here sees, which is that he's mid plus.

Taking the route of, OK we gonna eat some dirt this year with Dak's contract, but this way we aren't wasting 5 more years with him, just to gain some cap room this year.

If you don't believe in Dak as a QB, this is clearly the right move.

Just seems weird. Does that mean people think McCarthy, not Dak, is the reason this team has been successful the past few years in the regular season?

 

[massraider]

I am guessing that Dallas offered him a deal a notch below, with a lot of incentives, and Dak has all the leverage, so he was probably like, 3 years 150 fully guaranteed. Something like that.

Funny thing is, the best outcome for Dak would probably be to give a discount, and try and get 'er done with Dallas, because one SB ring erases all bad Dak juju. He's be Eli Manning at worst in the mind of Cowboys fans. If I was his agent, I would be like, 'stay here, and win in Dallas. You'll be treated like a sultan'

 

[massraider]

Just seems weird. Does that mean people think McCarthy, not Dak, is the reason this team has been successful the past few years in the regular season?

I've given up trying to decipher why some QBs get zero mulligans

 

[Terpman22]

Just seems weird. Does that mean people think McCarthy, not Dak, is the reason this team has been successful the past few years in the regular season?

I've given up trying to decipher why some QBs get zero mulligans

Dak is going into his 9th year....

 

[massraider]

I wonder if there's a deal to be made after the draft, maybe a sign/trade with someone. Dak adjust his deal to get new money with a new team.

Maybe the Raiders if they get shut out of the QBs.

 

[osubuckeyeman]

It has to end at some point. You can not keep extending him and pushing the can down the road. Just ride it out and see what happens. He gets it done then get the "bag" out later.

 

[Faust]

Cowboys QB Dak Prescott on lack of contract talks: 'I don't fear' playing with another team after 2024

 

[Ack88]

Cowboys QB Dak Prescott on lack of contract talks: 'I don't fear' playing with another team after 2024

As a Cowboy fan, I don’t fear that, either. In fact, I’d welcome it.

 

[Faust]

Dak Prescott no longer under criminal investigation by Dallas police over sexual assault claim

 

[Faust]

Where does Jared Goff’s $212M extension leave Dak Prescott and Cowboys?

 

[Faust]

Cowboys QB Dak Prescott on contract talks: 'I don't play for money'

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Cowboys QB Dak Prescott on contract talks: 'I don't play for money'

Wut

 

[eighsse2]

I don't play for money. I'm not like that, man. I ain't about that life. I play for the things that I can buy with money.

 

[Gatorade]

Cowboys QB Dak Prescott on contract talks: 'I don't play for money'

then take a discount and share the wealth with your teammates

 

[Faust]

Cowboys' indecision on Dak Prescott has hampered their ability to improve the roster

 

[Snotbubbles]

From a long term, fiscally sound point of view, this might be the best thing Dallas could do.

They are clearly ready to let him walk. Otherwise, they would have paid him. So maybe Dallas sees the same thing everyone here sees, which is that he's mid plus.

Taking the route of, OK we gonna eat some dirt this year with Dak's contract, but this way we aren't wasting 5 more years with him, just to gain some cap room this year.

If you don't believe in Dak as a QB, this is clearly the right move.

Just seems weird. Does that mean people think McCarthy, not Dak, is the reason this team has been successful the past few years in the regular season?

I hope Dallas lets Dak walk, because whoever they get to replace him won't be as good. They could spend the next decade trying to find someone. Man, I hope they talk themselves into Trey Lance as a viable option to Dak.

 

[Faust]

Cowboys' Mike McCarthy says QB Dak Prescott having his 'best offseason program'

 

[travdogg]

I've been surprised to see him going QB9 in early drafts. He was QB3 last year. Are we that worried about losing Tyron Smith (who has missed tons of time throughout Dak's career) and Michael Gallup?

The last 3 seasons Dak has stayed healthy, he's been QB3, QB7, and QB2. He's never been lower than QB11 in his career.

I see no reason why Dak shouldn't be a top-5 QB. They are a pass 1st team, with an elite WR, a TE on the rise, and a still solid enough WR2. He's being drafted at his floor in my opinion.

 

[Chaos34]

I see no reason why Dak shouldn't be a top-5 QB

I've finished 49 best ball drafts. I have zero Dak. Easy fade for me. He goes between QB6 and 9; 7 and 8 being most common. He goes between the early 5th and late 6th; somewhere in the middle of those rounds being most common. I pass because for me he's in a deep tier that runs through late round 9. I'm not spending my 5th or 6th on Dak when Tua, Love, Murray, Goff, Purdy, and Caleb can be had between the 7th and 9th. That's my tier. In that tier Dak may have the least talented set of skill players, but he's always first to fall.

Losing Gallup is a non issue, but losing a HoF LT and a pro bowl C whose strength was pass protection is. The probable replacements are a rookie who hasn't played C and another rookie who hasn't played LT. ZMartin just had his worst season as a pro. It could be rough compared to last year. I'd bet against a top 5 fantasy finish. For cost I'm going with someone else.

Fwiw, I like Goff alot this season. Last year I loaded up on Purdy because his adp didn't make sense compared to adps for McCaffrey, Kittle, Aiyuk and Deebo. Goff is like that with Gibbs, Amon-Ra, Laporta. I have plenty of 9th rd Caleb instead of 5/6th round Dak.

 

[travdogg]

I see no reason why Dak shouldn't be a top-5 QB

I've finished 49 best ball drafts. I have zero Dak. Easy fade for me. He goes between QB6 and 9; 7 and 8 being most common. He goes between the early 5th and late 6th; somewhere in the middle of those rounds being most common. I pass because for me he's in a deep tier that runs through late round 9. I'm not spending my 5th or 6th on Dak when Tua, Love, Murray, Goff, Purdy, and Caleb can be had between the 7th and 9th. That's my tier. In that tier Dak may have the least talented set of skill players, but he's always first to fall.

Losing Gallup is a non issue, but losing a HoF LT and a pro bowl C whose strength was pass protection is. The probable replacements are a rookie who hasn't played C and another rookie who hasn't played LT. ZMartin just had his worst season as a pro. It could be rough compared to last year. I'd bet against a top 5 fantasy finish. For cost I'm going with someone else.

Fwiw, I like Goff alot this season. Last year I loaded up on Purdy because his adp didn't make sense compared to adps for McCaffrey, Kittle, Aiyuk and Deebo. Goff is like that with Gibbs, Amon-Ra, Laporta. I have plenty of 9th rd Caleb instead of 5/6th round Dak.

Interesting. I've done a lot fewer drafts than 49, but Dak has been on average the 9th QB taken, and its been in round 8. Its typically been:

1. Allen-round 3
2. Hurts-round 4
3. Lamar-round 4
4. Mahomes-round 4
5. Richardson-round 5
6. Stroud-round 5
7. Burrow-round 7
8. Kyler-round 7
9. Dak-round 8
10. Love-round 8

I 100% agree, I wouldn't take Dak in round 5, hell, I probably wouldn't take Mahomes in round 5. QBs haven't gone that highly in drafts I've done.

 

[Chaos34]

I wouldn't take Dak in round 5, hell, I probably wouldn't take Mahomes in round 5. QBs haven't gone that highly in drafts I've done.

Well, I'm doing these on DraftKings, mostly for a buck each for grins, but a few are higher stakes. I currently have two open drafts.

Here he went 5.10 before Richardson and Burrow.
Here he's available in the 7th.

I'm guessing those who owned him last season are the ones reaching for him this season. They have fond memories. Mahomes is usually gone in the 3rd, always by the 4th. I'm fading him too. Are you doing bestballs? They tend to emphasize QBs because most builds take 3. Managed redrafts not so much.

 

[Snotbubbles]

I see no reason why Dak shouldn't be a top-5 QB

I've finished 49 best ball drafts. I have zero Dak. Easy fade for me. He goes between QB6 and 9; 7 and 8 being most common. He goes between the early 5th and late 6th; somewhere in the middle of those rounds being most common. I pass because for me he's in a deep tier that runs through late round 9. I'm not spending my 5th or 6th on Dak when Tua, Love, Murray, Goff, Purdy, and Caleb can be had between the 7th and 9th. That's my tier. In that tier Dak may have the least talented set of skill players, but he's always first to fall.

Losing Gallup is a non issue, but losing a HoF LT and a pro bowl C whose strength was pass protection is. The probable replacements are a rookie who hasn't played C and another rookie who hasn't played LT. ZMartin just had his worst season as a pro. It could be rough compared to last year. I'd bet against a top 5 fantasy finish. For cost I'm going with someone else.

Fwiw, I like Goff alot this season. Last year I loaded up on Purdy because his adp didn't make sense compared to adps for McCaffrey, Kittle, Aiyuk and Deebo. Goff is like that with Gibbs, Amon-Ra, Laporta. I have plenty of 9th rd Caleb instead of 5/6th round Dak.

@Chaos34 pretty much hit it on the head. They also lost their running back. Dak was 5th in the league in play action passes and also 5th in the league in RPO pass attempts. Is anybody worried about Zeke running the ball in those situations? The Cowboys are much easier to defend this year and Dak could have less time to throw. The Dallas offense seems like it's on the precipice and could take a big drop.

 

[menobrown]

I've been surprised to see him going QB9 in early drafts. He was QB3 last year. Are we that worried about losing Tyron Smith (who has missed tons of time throughout Dak's career) and Michael Gallup?

The last 3 seasons Dak has stayed healthy, he's been QB3, QB7, and QB2. He's never been lower than QB11 in his career.

I see no reason why Dak shouldn't be a top-5 QB. They are a pass 1st team, with an elite WR, a TE on the rise, and a still solid enough WR2. He's being drafted at his floor in my opinion.

Is this 6pt TD passing leagues? He's not finished that high in my 4pt passing leagues and he's going as QB9 on average right now in BB leagues in the format I play which is ok to me, about where he should be going IMO. Kyler and Burrow just ahead of him, Love and and Daniels just behind. I got a cutoff after those are gone, but taking any of them over the other is meh to me.

 

[massraider]

x.com

x.com

Schefter speaking the truth. Dak isn't handing out discounts.

 

[travdogg]

I wouldn't take Dak in round 5, hell, I probably wouldn't take Mahomes in round 5. QBs haven't gone that highly in drafts I've done.

Well, I'm doing these on DraftKings, mostly for a buck each for grins, but a few are higher stakes. I currently have two open drafts.

Here he went 5.10 before Richardson and Burrow.
Here he's available in the 7th.

I'm guessing those who owned him last season are the ones reaching for him this season. They have fond memories. Mahomes is usually gone in the 3rd, always by the 4th. I'm fading him too. Are you doing bestballs? They tend to emphasize QBs because most builds take 3. Managed redrafts not so much.

Only doing bestballs right now. Underdog mostly. QBs and TEs both seem to be going a lot later.

I see no reason why Dak shouldn't be a top-5 QB

I've finished 49 best ball drafts. I have zero Dak. Easy fade for me. He goes between QB6 and 9; 7 and 8 being most common. He goes between the early 5th and late 6th; somewhere in the middle of those rounds being most common. I pass because for me he's in a deep tier that runs through late round 9. I'm not spending my 5th or 6th on Dak when Tua, Love, Murray, Goff, Purdy, and Caleb can be had between the 7th and 9th. That's my tier. In that tier Dak may have the least talented set of skill players, but he's always first to fall.

Losing Gallup is a non issue, but losing a HoF LT and a pro bowl C whose strength was pass protection is. The probable replacements are a rookie who hasn't played C and another rookie who hasn't played LT. ZMartin just had his worst season as a pro. It could be rough compared to last year. I'd bet against a top 5 fantasy finish. For cost I'm going with someone else.

Fwiw, I like Goff alot this season. Last year I loaded up on Purdy because his adp didn't make sense compared to adps for McCaffrey, Kittle, Aiyuk and Deebo. Goff is like that with Gibbs, Amon-Ra, Laporta. I have plenty of 9th rd Caleb instead of 5/6th round Dak.

@Chaos34 pretty much hit it on the head. They also lost their running back. Dak was 5th in the league in play action passes and also 5th in the league in RPO pass attempts. Is anybody worried about Zeke running the ball in those situations? The Cowboys are much easier to defend this year and Dak could have less time to throw. The Dallas offense seems like it's on the precipice and could take a big drop.

Its been shown that quality of running game and effectiveness of PA have little correlation. Its much more about defensive aggressiveness and just general defensive player awareness.

I've been surprised to see him going QB9 in early drafts. He was QB3 last year. Are we that worried about losing Tyron Smith (who has missed tons of time throughout Dak's career) and Michael Gallup?

The last 3 seasons Dak has stayed healthy, he's been QB3, QB7, and QB2. He's never been lower than QB11 in his career.

I see no reason why Dak shouldn't be a top-5 QB. They are a pass 1st team, with an elite WR, a TE on the rise, and a still solid enough WR2. He's being drafted at his floor in my opinion.

Is this 6pt TD passing leagues? He's not finished that high in my 4pt passing leagues and he's going as QB9 on average right now in BB leagues in the format I play which is ok to me, about where he should be going IMO. Kyler and Burrow just ahead of him, Love and and Daniels just behind. I got a cutoff after those are gone, but taking any of them over the other is meh to me.

Nope, standard 4pt pass TD leagues. 1/25 pass yds and 1/10 rush yds. Do your 4pt leagues have some bonus scoring that has helped other guys or something?

 

[dblock05]

Only Tom Brady really has it seems

 

[menobrown]

I've been surprised to see him going QB9 in early drafts. He was QB3 last year. Are we that worried about losing Tyron Smith (who has missed tons of time throughout Dak's career) and Michael Gallup?

The last 3 seasons Dak has stayed healthy, he's been QB3, QB7, and QB2. He's never been lower than QB11 in his career.

I see no reason why Dak shouldn't be a top-5 QB. They are a pass 1st team, with an elite WR, a TE on the rise, and a still solid enough WR2. He's being drafted at his floor in my opinion. Click to expand... Is this 6pt TD passing leagues? He's not finished that high in my 4pt passing leagues and he's going as QB9 on average right now in BB leagues in the format I play which is ok to me, about where he should be going IMO. Kyler and Burrow just ahead of him, Love and and Daniels just behind. I got a cutoff after those are gone, but taking any of them over the other is meh to me.

Nope, standard 4pt pass TD leagues. 1/25 pass yds and 1/10 rush yds. Do your 4pt leagues have some bonus scoring that has helped other guys or something?

No, standard FFPC scoring but I see some small differences in that it's 1/20 pass yards, -1 for INT's and fumbles.

He's been QB4, QB10 and QB14 in that format, which seems a decent amount farther off for those minimal differences but I now see you must not be counting last year as a healthy year but in terms of PPG I think it's valid to count it and it changes the outlook to me instead of seeing a constant top 7 QB, he's hitting low end QB1 range more often then not since the last 3 seasons. He's still solid, I've drafted him a few times, but again why I say him going as QB9 on average seems about par for the course to me.

 

[Snotbubbles]

I wouldn't take Dak in round 5, hell, I probably wouldn't take Mahomes in round 5. QBs haven't gone that highly in drafts I've done.

Well, I'm doing these on DraftKings, mostly for a buck each for grins, but a few are higher stakes. I currently have two open drafts.

Here he went 5.10 before Richardson and Burrow.
Here he's available in the 7th.

I'm guessing those who owned him last season are the ones reaching for him this season. They have fond memories. Mahomes is usually gone in the 3rd, always by the 4th. I'm fading him too. Are you doing bestballs? They tend to emphasize QBs because most builds take 3. Managed redrafts not so much.

Only doing bestballs right now. Underdog mostly. QBs and TEs both seem to be going a lot later.

I see no reason why Dak shouldn't be a top-5 QB

I've finished 49 best ball drafts. I have zero Dak. Easy fade for me. He goes between QB6 and 9; 7 and 8 being most common. He goes between the early 5th and late 6th; somewhere in the middle of those rounds being most common. I pass because for me he's in a deep tier that runs through late round 9. I'm not spending my 5th or 6th on Dak when Tua, Love, Murray, Goff, Purdy, and Caleb can be had between the 7th and 9th. That's my tier. In that tier Dak may have the least talented set of skill players, but he's always first to fall.

Losing Gallup is a non issue, but losing a HoF LT and a pro bowl C whose strength was pass protection is. The probable replacements are a rookie who hasn't played C and another rookie who hasn't played LT. ZMartin just had his worst season as a pro. It could be rough compared to last year. I'd bet against a top 5 fantasy finish. For cost I'm going with someone else.

Fwiw, I like Goff alot this season. Last year I loaded up on Purdy because his adp didn't make sense compared to adps for McCaffrey, Kittle, Aiyuk and Deebo. Goff is like that with Gibbs, Amon-Ra, Laporta. I have plenty of 9th rd Caleb instead of 5/6th round Dak.

@Chaos34 pretty much hit it on the head. They also lost their running back. Dak was 5th in the league in play action passes and also 5th in the league in RPO pass attempts. Is anybody worried about Zeke running the ball in those situations? The Cowboys are much easier to defend this year and Dak could have less time to throw. The Dallas offense seems like it's on the precipice and could take a big drop.

Its been shown that quality of running game and effectiveness of PA have little correlation. Its much more about defensive aggressiveness and just general defensive player awareness.

I've been surprised to see him going QB9 in early drafts. He was QB3 last year. Are we that worried about losing Tyron Smith (who has missed tons of time throughout Dak's career) and Michael Gallup?

The last 3 seasons Dak has stayed healthy, he's been QB3, QB7, and QB2. He's never been lower than QB11 in his career.

I see no reason why Dak shouldn't be a top-5 QB. They are a pass 1st team, with an elite WR, a TE on the rise, and a still solid enough WR2. He's being drafted at his floor in my opinion.

Is this 6pt TD passing leagues? He's not finished that high in my 4pt passing leagues and he's going as QB9 on average right now in BB leagues in the format I play which is ok to me, about where he should be going IMO. Kyler and Burrow just ahead of him, Love and and Daniels just behind. I got a cutoff after those are gone, but taking any of them over the other is meh to me.

Nope, standard 4pt pass TD leagues. 1/25 pass yds and 1/10 rush yds. Do your 4pt leagues have some bonus scoring that has helped other guys or something?

You're looking at the running game in a vacuum. It's the accumulation of losing talent on the offense, including losing their top RB with no reasonable replacement.

 

[travdogg]

I've been surprised to see him going QB9 in early drafts. He was QB3 last year. Are we that worried about losing Tyron Smith (who has missed tons of time throughout Dak's career) and Michael Gallup?

The last 3 seasons Dak has stayed healthy, he's been QB3, QB7, and QB2. He's never been lower than QB11 in his career.

I see no reason why Dak shouldn't be a top-5 QB. They are a pass 1st team, with an elite WR, a TE on the rise, and a still solid enough WR2. He's being drafted at his floor in my opinion. Click to expand... Is this 6pt TD passing leagues? He's not finished that high in my 4pt passing leagues and he's going as QB9 on average right now in BB leagues in the format I play which is ok to me, about where he should be going IMO. Kyler and Burrow just ahead of him, Love and and Daniels just behind. I got a cutoff after those are gone, but taking any of them over the other is meh to me.

Nope, standard 4pt pass TD leagues. 1/25 pass yds and 1/10 rush yds. Do your 4pt leagues have some bonus scoring that has helped other guys or something?

No, standard FFPC scoring but I see some small differences in that it's 1/20 pass yards, -1 for INT's and fumbles.

He's been QB4, QB10 and QB14 in that format, which seems a decent amount farther off for those minimal differences but I now see you must not be counting last year as a healthy year but in terms of PPG I think it's valid to count it and it changes the outlook to me instead of seeing a constant top 7 QB, he's hitting low end QB1 range more often then not since the last 3 seasons. He's still solid, I've drafted him a few times, but again why I say him going as QB9 on average seems about par for the course to me.

Standard has -2 for all QB turnovers, maybe that's helping Dak?

Last year in standard scoring Dak was QB3. He was QB7 in 2021. QB2 in 2019. He was hurt in 2020 (was QB2 when he got hurt) and was hurt in 2022.

ETA: I'm seeing Dak as a lot safer option than Stroud or Richardson, and not being all that far behind Mahomes. Kyler going ahead of him feels extremely bold to me, unless he starts running TDs in like its 2020 again. I'd expect Dak to be top-5 in yards, and right there in the hunt for 1st in the passing TD title.

 

[Mistakes Were Made]

Schefter speaking the truth. Dak isn't handing out discounts.

The script writers are making the Sanders family as head coach and QB to Dallas so obvious this time.

 

[travdogg]

Schefter speaking the truth. Dak isn't handing out discounts.

The script writers are making the Sanders family as head coach and QB to Dallas so obvious this time.

Eagles fans would be dancing in the streets if that happened. Commanders fans too, if Daniels pans out.

 

[Mistakes Were Made]

Schefter speaking the truth. Dak isn't handing out discounts.

The script writers are making the Sanders family as head coach and QB to Dallas so obvious this time.

Eagles fans would be dancing in the streets if that happened. Commanders fans too, if Daniels pans out.

Probably all of the NFL. As well as their media partners.

 

[Ack88]

I've been surprised to see him going QB9 in early drafts. He was QB3 last year. Are we that worried about losing Tyron Smith (who has missed tons of time throughout Dak's career) and Michael Gallup?

The last 3 seasons Dak has stayed healthy, he's been QB3, QB7, and QB2. He's never been lower than QB11 in his career.

I see no reason why Dak shouldn't be a top-5 QB. They are a pass 1st team, with an elite WR, a TE on the rise, and a still solid enough WR2. He's being drafted at his floor in my opinion. Click to expand... Is this 6pt TD passing leagues? He's not finished that high in my 4pt passing leagues and he's going as QB9 on average right now in BB leagues in the format I play which is ok to me, about where he should be going IMO. Kyler and Burrow just ahead of him, Love and and Daniels just behind. I got a cutoff after those are gone, but taking any of them over the other is meh to me.

Nope, standard 4pt pass TD leagues. 1/25 pass yds and 1/10 rush yds. Do your 4pt leagues have some bonus scoring that has helped other guys or something?

No, standard FFPC scoring but I see some small differences in that it's 1/20 pass yards, -1 for INT's and fumbles.

He's been QB4, QB10 and QB14 in that format, which seems a decent amount farther off for those minimal differences but I now see you must not be counting last year as a healthy year but in terms of PPG I think it's valid to count it and it changes the outlook to me instead of seeing a constant top 7 QB, he's hitting low end QB1 range more often then not since the last 3 seasons. He's still solid, I've drafted him a few times, but again why I say him going as QB9 on average seems about par for the course to me.

Standard has -2 for all QB turnovers, maybe that's helping Dak?

Last year in standard scoring Dak was QB3. He was QB7 in 2021. QB2 in 2019. He was hurt in 2020 (was QB2 when he got hurt) and was hurt in 2022.

ETA: I'm seeing Dak as a lot safer option than Stroud or Richardson, and not being all that far behind Mahomes. Kyler going ahead of him feels extremely bold to me, unless he starts running TDs in like its 2020 again. I'd expect Dak to be top-5 in yards, and right there in the hunt for 1st in the passing TD title.

He’s overvalued in real football, but underrated in fantasy. He should finish top 6 again.

 

[Scoresman]

Seems like there's a lot of turnover on the O-line. Reason for concern? I feel like Dak's never had to worry about a potentially rebuilt O-line like this. I may be wrong.

 

[Chaos34]

Seems like there's a lot of turnover on the O-line. Reason for concern?

For both fantasy and gambling I think the ETR guys are some of the best in the industry. Here they agree with travdogg and think Dak is undervalued. It's certainly possible, but I still lean against it.

As for the OL, they're take is run blocking will suffer forcing Dak to pass even more. Certainly possible, but I think they have it wrong. The rookie OLs likely to start are both really good run blockers. Run blocking is also an easier transition. Dealing with NFL pass rushers is challenging for rookies. Guyton was the 7th OT drafted. He played RT for a lefty qb and he is penciled in to start at LT protecting Dak's blindside. Umm, yeah. He should develop into a fine LT. but it won't be immediate. Beebe, a highly decorated G was drafted to play C. Sounds like he could lose a camp battle to Brock Hoffman whose been groomed for a couple years. That might be a good thing. Smith could pop out to LT where he was drafted to play. Beebe would be much better at LG than C. Guyton could cut his teeth at RT where he played in college. Anyway, it isn't a disaster, but it's far from ideal. So yeah, my downgrade of Dak for fantasy is over OL concerns.

 

[TVT 0 N S T A]

Seems like there's a lot of turnover on the O-line. Reason for concern?

For both fantasy and gambling I think the ETR guys are some of the best in the industry. Here they agree with travdogg and think Dak is undervalued. It's certainly possible, but I still lean against it.

As for the OL, they're take is run blocking will suffer forcing Dak to pass even more. Certainly possible, but I think they have it wrong. The rookie OLs likely to start are both really good run blockers. Run blocking is also an easier transition. Dealing with NFL pass rushers is challenging for rookies. Guyton was the 7th OT drafted. He played RT for a lefty qb and he is penciled in to start at LT protecting Dak's blindside. Umm, yeah. He should develop into a fine LT. but it won't be immediate. Beebe, a highly decorated G was drafted to play C. Sounds like he could lose a camp battle to Brock Hoffman whose been groomed for a couple years. That might be a good thing. Smith could pop out to LT where he was drafted to play. Beebe would be much better at LG than C. Guyton could cut his teeth at RT where he played in college. Anyway, it isn't a disaster, but it's far from ideal. So yeah, my downgrade of Dak for fantasy is over OL concerns.

Rebuilt offensive line?

They lost their center, Tyler Biadisz, who nobody thought they would keep. They lost Tyron Smith, who hasn't played a full season in quite awhile. This group isn't any worse than it was a year ago...

It isn't like they limped along promoting practice squad players to starters - they addressed the need early in the draft.

Dak to the moon...

 

[Rubi]

Seems like there's a lot of turnover on the O-line. Reason for concern?

For both fantasy and gambling I think the ETR guys are some of the best in the industry. Here they agree with travdogg and think Dak is undervalued. It's certainly possible, but I still lean against it.

As for the OL, they're take is run blocking will suffer forcing Dak to pass even more. Certainly possible, but I think they have it wrong. The rookie OLs likely to start are both really good run blockers. Run blocking is also an easier transition. Dealing with NFL pass rushers is challenging for rookies. Guyton was the 7th OT drafted. He played RT for a lefty qb and he is penciled in to start at LT protecting Dak's blindside. Umm, yeah. He should develop into a fine LT. but it won't be immediate. Beebe, a highly decorated G was drafted to play C. Sounds like he could lose a camp battle to Brock Hoffman whose been groomed for a couple years. That might be a good thing. Smith could pop out to LT where he was drafted to play. Beebe would be much better at LG than C. Guyton could cut his teeth at RT where he played in college. Anyway, it isn't a disaster, but it's far from ideal. So yeah, my downgrade of Dak for fantasy is over OL concerns.

Rebuilt offensive line?

They lost their center, Tyler Biadisz, who nobody thought they would keep. They lost Tyron Smith, who hasn't played a full season in quite awhile. This group isn't any worse than it was a year ago...

It isn't like they limped along promoting practice squad players to starters - they addressed the need early in the draft.

Dak to the moon...

Here we goooooo..
Not sure he gets to the moon...
Maybe Miami?