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QB Derek Carr, Retired (3 Viewers)

I've been pretty surprised in redraft leagues to see Carr going later than most of the QBs. He's consistently been the 10-12th WB drafted. I think he's the next big thing at QB and I've been able to draft him in rounds 10+. 

 
not interested in Carr this year...several QBs going after him that have at least a 50/50 shot of outscoring him. 

Also, plays KC week 14, anybody want to guess how many TDs carr had in two games vs the Chiefs last year?   :coffee:

 
As a Carr dynasty owner I'm a bit nervous.  He seemed to underperform against any adequate defense.  Hopefully if Cooper can improve and the running game can be a viable threat, things will open up a bit for him.  I wouldn't be shocked if he ended the year at QB 10-12 again.

 
Rhythmdoctor said:
I've been pretty surprised in redraft leagues to see Carr going later than most of the QBs. He's consistently been the 10-12th WB drafted. I think he's the next big thing at QB and I've been able to draft him in rounds 10+. 
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It's a very big tier and I think that it's just "whoever is there at 12" for me, but Carr has rarely been the guy in mocks.  He's QB5-7 nearly every time.

 
TripItUp said:
not interested in Carr this year...several QBs going after him that have at least a 50/50 shot of outscoring him. 

Also, plays KC week 14, anybody want to guess how many TDs carr had in two games vs the Chiefs last year?   :coffee:
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Yeah he represents a conundrum but you could argue that he has a 50/50 chance of outscoring many of the QBs in front of him.

It's also very fortunate that in 2017 Carr isn't playing Kansas City in 2016.

 
Hankmoody said:
It's a very big tier and I think that it's just "whoever is there at 12" for me, but Carr has rarely been the guy in mocks.  He's QB5-7 nearly every time.
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I just checked in 6 of my high stake redraft leagues and Carr went as the nth QB off the board as such:

10th

11th

11th

10th

10th

9th

Crazy.  I have Carr in 4 of the 6.

 
Well I put more value in your actual leagues than I go mocks.  And I do prefer Carr over the guys I am getting at 12 (Rivers, Mariotta mostly), so if he's still there I'd go ahead and pull the trigger one round/swing earlier for sure.

 
Hankmoody said:
It's a very big tier and I think that it's just "whoever is there at 12" for me, but Carr has rarely been the guy in mocks.  He's QB5-7 nearly every time.
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exactly...overvalued in his tier because he is perceived as an "up and comer" as opposed to other, older guys like Rivers and Roethlisberger that can easily outscore him and actually did outscore Carr on a ppg basis last year.

 
NFL Network's Ian Rapoport confirms Derek Carr (questionable, back) is expected to return against the Chargers in Week 6.

Carr made a surprise return to practice this week, operating as the No. 2 quarterback behind E.J. Manuel. He'll sit out Sunday versus Baltimore, but Carr should be back under center next week as long as he can avoid setbacks. His impending return is obviously great news for lead wideouts Amari Cooper and Michael Crabtree.

Source: Ian Rapoport on Twitter 

Oct 8 - 8:46 AM
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Is Carr worth holding through the bye?  He is my only QB.  Really debating whether or not I should keep him or just stream the rest of the year.

 
Long Ball Larry said:
Is Carr worth holding through the bye?  He is my only QB.  Really debating whether or not I should keep him or just stream the rest of the year.
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Depends on who you are picking up off the WW.  I like Carr the rest of the year though.  He seems to be getting back to 2016 form and has good weapons on a team that must score to win. 

 
DocHolliday said:
Depends on who you are picking up off the WW.  I like Carr the rest of the year though.  He seems to be getting back to 2016 form and has good weapons on a team that must score to win. 
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All relative sure, I guess I'm trying to gauge Carr's outlook for the rest of the season.  His matchups from weeks 11-15 are all pretty good.  Week 16 is a plus on paper (PHI), though the D line is nasty and can wreak havoc.  Probably fair that he would at least take some shots.

Not trying to make this an AC post, but in breaking down the matchups of other guys who happen to be available, Mariota and Rivers also have really nice matchups from weeks 12-16.  If I don't want one of them, I should probably just figure out a way to hold him.

 
Awful quiet here.

How are Carr owners feeling in Mexico City against the Pats?

Matchup data looks good but NE has been clamping down a bit. I've got to think OAK will be playing serious catchup since Brady is on auto pilot right now.

 
the game last year in mexico looked like the refs were hellbent on giving the Raiders the win in their home field. :lmao: starting Carr with confidence. seriously looking for a big shootout.

 
Osweiler put up 221-1 on New England last Sunday night and he's an inch above truly terrible at best.

I love Carr this week and also think this will be a shootout. No way the Raiders' sorry defense stops Brady so Carr's gonna have to air it out a ton and I don't believe NE can slow down Crabtree, Cooper and Cook.  

 
packersfan said:
Osweiler put up 221-1 on New England last Sunday night and he's an inch above truly terrible at best.

I love Carr this week and also think this will be a shootout. No way the Raiders' sorry defense stops Brady so Carr's gonna have to air it out a ton and I don't believe NE can slow down Crabtree, Cooper and Cook.  
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Cooper won't need to be slowed. He will drop everything

 
Derek Carr will flourish under Gruden. 

Gruden has never had a QB on the level of D.C., even when Gannon was a pro-bowler for 4-straight seasons under Gruden and the leagues MVP the year after Gruden left. Meanwhile, Carr has never had a coach as good as Gruden is on offense.

 
This won't happen due to Carr's contract...but given Gruden's famous inability to stick with one starting QB, and Carr's unimpressive performance this year...the fact that Gruden has a borderline mancrush on Connor Cook is at least interesting. Should be some BS gossip articles about him secretly preferring Cook during training camp, at the least. Calling it now, will bump later. 

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
This won't happen due to Carr's contract...but given Gruden's famous inability to stick with one starting QB, and Carr's unimpressive performance this year...the fact that Gruden has a borderline mancrush on Connor Cook is at least interesting. Should be some BS gossip articles about him secretly preferring Cook during training camp, at the least. Calling it now, will bump later. 
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Good on you if you're right, but I'm thinking the entire premise is nonsense.

No evidence that Gruden has a bigger crush on Cook, Carr or Fozzy Bear. Carr has the most physical and mental ability and Gruden will stick with that. Any stories to the contrary will be written for click-bait only. 

Besides, all evidence suggests Cook's the biggest head case on the team.

 
Chaka said:
Good on you if you're right, but I'm thinking the entire premise is nonsense.

No evidence that Gruden has a bigger crush on Cook, Carr or Fozzy Bear. Carr has the most physical and mental ability and Gruden will stick with that. Any stories to the contrary will be written for click-bait only. 

Besides, all evidence suggests Cook's the biggest head case on the team.
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Oh, I'm not saying there will be actual Cook vs. Carr drama. 

I'm just saying that because of the on the record pro-Cook stuff from Gruden's past in the media, someone will try to create QB drama with it in their first training camp. Seems inevitable. Its rare for a HC hire to be on the record about so many players, and then be in training camp with them. 

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
This won't happen due to Carr's contract...but given Gruden's famous inability to stick with one starting QB, and Carr's unimpressive performance this year...the fact that Gruden has a borderline mancrush on Connor Cook is at least interesting. Should be some BS gossip articles about him secretly preferring Cook during training camp, at the least. Calling it now, will bump later. 
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Interesting stuff from both you and Chaka. Wasn't aware of it. Will look for it in the future.  

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
Oh, I'm not saying there will be actual Cook vs. Carr drama. 

I'm just saying that because of the on the record pro-Cook stuff from Gruden's past in the media, someone will try to create QB drama with it in their first training camp. Seems inevitable. Its rare for a HC hire to be on the record about so many players, and then be in training camp with them. 
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I can see someone trying to manufacture drama but Gruden has been all sunshine-and-rainbow-unicorns with every player, coach, equipment manager, ball boy etc. in the league for the last decade.

Did he really gush that much more about Cook than Carr?

I think the drama will arise if Gruden can get Cook to flash enough in preseason to turn him into another Garoppolo style piece of trade bait.

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
This won't happen due to Carr's contract...but given Gruden's famous inability to stick with one starting QB, and Carr's unimpressive performance this year...the fact that Gruden has a borderline mancrush on Connor Cook is at least interesting. Should be some BS gossip articles about him secretly preferring Cook during training camp, at the least. Calling it now, will bump later. 
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Training camp is pretty much over. I don't remember any drama there.... 

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
Oh darn.

Was wondering what the hell this quote notification was gonna be lol
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if anything they are in love lol

“This isn’t just him being a football coach,” Carr said. “I see our relationship being something that lasts beyond football. The football part is we have to go and we have to work hard and we have to focus on that, but ever since I met him, I just knew he’d be a friend, someone close, family, for life.

“I’m just trying to paint a picture of our relationship that I know how he feels about me. He’s told me over and over again. He’s showed me over and over again with his actions, so when he gets after me, I probably deserve it. Secondly, I love it because I know that all he wants to do is get the best out of me.”

 
I am willing to bet that Carr greatly outproduces his current ADP this year. I don't think he's anywhere near sniffing Top 5, and my opinion is slightly biased, but given the big upgrades in offensive weapons and support on the line, I think Carr and the Raiders are going to surprise from a fantasy perspective.

 
Stompin' Tom Connors said:
I am willing to bet that Carr greatly outproduces his current ADP this year. I don't think he's anywhere near sniffing Top 5, and my opinion is slightly biased, but given the big upgrades in offensive weapons and support on the line, I think Carr and the Raiders are going to surprise from a fantasy perspective.
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Rich Gannon was pretty effective under Chucky

 
Stompin' Tom Connors said:
I am willing to bet that Carr greatly outproduces his current ADP this year. I don't think he's anywhere near sniffing Top 5, and my opinion is slightly biased, but given the big upgrades in offensive weapons and support on the line, I think Carr and the Raiders are going to surprise from a fantasy perspective.
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The one piece of the puzzle that makes me a little concerned with Carr and the Raiders having success is Cooper.   If he can play like he is capable, the Raiders will have a really good O.   

 
DocHolliday said:
The one piece of the puzzle that makes me a little concerned with Carr and the Raiders having success is Cooper.   If he can play like he is capable, the Raiders will have a really good O.   
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Totally agree -- the success of both Cooper (to play at the level he's expected to, to draw coverage and open up space/coverage for Jordy/Bryant/Roberts/Switzer, etc.) and Lynch (who looks on par to how he played last year so far, but who Carr desperately needs to continue at that level to provide credible a run threat on early downs to fully leverage Gruden's extensive playbook) is going to be as meaningful to Carr's success as what he can do with his arm himself.

That said, the guy looks so crisp and has clearly risen to be the leader Gruden and the team need him to be so far this preseason.

He won't win leagues given that the Raiders have a lot to prove, including if they have any semblance of a high power offense, but I think Carr will be Top 15, and has a chance to crack Top 10 if all the pieces do indeed click for the team. Not shabby for a guy wiht an ADP of ~QB20.

 
He looks terrified out there.  There were at least four passes last night that he threw away with little pressure on him and were so bad they looked like intentional grounding even though they officially weren't. 

 
bumpman said:
He looks terrified out there.  There were at least four passes last night that he threw away with little pressure on him and were so bad they looked like intentional grounding even though they officially weren't. 
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steelers1080 said:
He's not even a top 20 QB anymore. It was a mirage. 
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Even I, the guy with a glass half-to-three-quarters-full on Carr, saw a very tentative, scared, poor-decision-making QB out there last night.

That might change against lesser Ds and more reps in this offense, but definitely can start eating crow on my preseason call on him potentially being a Top 15 -- I don't see it happening this year based on what I saw last night.

 
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