LionOfGosforth
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He's freakin hopeless. I only needed 1 TD from him last night and he couldn't even do that.
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QB Derek Carr, Retired (1 Viewer)
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ffldrew
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Von Miller and Co awaiting at 5280 feet above sea level for him - he better get his big boy pants ready.
Either:
a) It’s Yahoo...the are sloppy with injury designations and that Q is a carryover from his “questionable to return” from the middle of last night’s game.
OR
b) It’s Yahoo...they are lazy with injuy designations and flag anyone with the remotest possibility of having a not-yet-disclosed injury is marked as Q until some more reliable news aggregator posts a confirmatory source.
Or maybe all of the above...
Pigskin Fanatic
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CBS also has him Questionable with "General Soreness." Of the ego?
eta: the play in the bolded part did look like he tweaked the knee sideways a bit. someone posted during the game in the game thread. it wasn't a dirty play since he was falling down, but Donald went into the left knee with his helmet. could have been really bad.
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BoltBacker
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BoltBacker
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I wonder what this even means.Faust said:
Carr inked his deal not long ago, in most cases that would make him the guy that stays and the HC the guy that goes if there was a rift. But Gruden also has an incredible deal in oak(makes you wonder how oak can hand out all these deals when they have no money for the best defensive player in football... but I digress). So imo NEITHER of these guys is going anywhere soon. Does Rotoworld honestly think they are just going to come closer to putting all that $ on the bench in the near future if Carr has another bad game? To start AJ McCaron?
Of course, it also doesn't make much sense for a HC to call out his franchise QB(by contract at least) for avoiding challenging CB's the week before they travel to denver. People seemed to be piling on to Gruden way too early this off-season but the last week or two is completely befuddling.
BoltBacker
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Maybe Gruden needs to release Carr after all. And then re-sign him a week later.
A week ago he didn't want Bryant on his team and he couldn't learn the playbook. Today Gruden said this, "I think he’s healthy. I think he’s ready to go," the coach continued. "I’ve said it before: when he’s right, he can be a difference maker and we’re hoping he can be one sooner rather than later."
Seems like a week or two long vacation from Gruden does wonders!
A week ago he didn't want Bryant on his team and he couldn't learn the playbook. Today Gruden said this, "I think he’s healthy. I think he’s ready to go," the coach continued. "I’ve said it before: when he’s right, he can be a difference maker and we’re hoping he can be one sooner rather than later."
Seems like a week or two long vacation from Gruden does wonders!
Charlie Harper
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I'm pretty sure whatever Gruden said to the media, he already told Carr to his face. I'm also pretty sure if fans and commentators are pointing out how afraid Carr looks....then Carr should appreciate the honesty of his coach. Gruden isn't throwing Carr under the bus, if the entire world knows it's true.
Stompin' Tom Connors
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I am not saying Carr will play lights out, but he was efficient in the first half against the Rams and just needs to avoid the costly mistakes he made in the second.
But c'mon now.
This is a hated division rival we're playing on the road, where the Raiders desperately need a win to keep up and remain relevant in the division, let alone have any prayer at playoff contention.
You better believe Carr and Co. are all going to show up ready to rumble. Their season depends on it.
Bronco Billy
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Maybe Gruden forgot he was the HC and reverted back to his analyst days. There is no excuse for a HC going public with stuff like this unless he’s preparing to jettison his starting QB.
BoltBacker
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I think most players appreciate the honesty of their coach..... but there is still no reason for their coach to call them out publicly in front of the media. I DO NOT think players appreciate that. Especially if what they are being called out is completely true. The Gruden/Carr marriage is going to be long if not loving one just based on the amount of $ involved.
LawFitz
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Actually, Carr's contract was written with most of the guaranteed monies upfront. The Raiders can get out of it after this season for a $7.5 MM dead cap hit or the following season for a $5 MM cap hit. I truly believe Gruden wants to make it work with Carr, but if we get a season of what we saw in the 2nd half of Monday night's game, the Raiders have an out, especially when you consider the draft capital they accumulated. Crazy, I know.
Manster
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So would you say it was playing the Rams D that made him look jumpy and rattled? I know we heard the game plan was to get rid of quick to TE/RB, but he did not look like a veteran QB who is in control of his offense, imo.....I will be watching this weekend, and be hopeful that he looks more the part of a franchise QB, but I'm not super confident goin to Denver.I am not saying Carr will play lights out, but he was efficient in the first half against the Rams and just needs to avoid the costly mistakes he made in the second.
But c'mon now.
This is a hated division rival we're playing on the road, where the Raiders desperately need a win to keep up and remain relevant in the division, let alone have any prayer at playoff contention.
You better believe Carr and Co. are all going to show up ready to rumble. Their season depends on it.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
You make a good point about the draft capital, although if need to hit on QB's and pass rushers with all your picks to replace the guys you drove out of town that draft capital can dry up pretty quick. Not every one of those guys works out. Plenty of franchises spend multiple picks to find a QB. How many shots will it take to find the next Mack?
Charlie Harper
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Unfortunately for the Raiders they drafted a stud DE and stud QB in the same draft so they couldn't pay to keep them both since Reggie blew just about every other draft pick.
Sucks that when teams do draft studs, they can't keep them very long due to the hard cap and parity.
Honestly, I'd rather have a soft cap where you can resign your drafted studs.
LawFitz
Footballguy
I drove no one out of town. I wanted to keep Mack. Unfortunately, he was too selfish too take a more team friendly deal and the Raiders were too soft to play hardball despite controlling him for three more years.
Besides, I thought we were discussing Carr.
DocHolliday
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Are the Raiders really going to be the new Browns since this reminds me of what the Browns went through for many years? The Browns could not find a QB for what feels like forever. The draft is very unpredictable. I believe I just read this week that Baker is the 30th starting QB in Cleveland since 1999. Baker looked good last week but it is too early to know how he is going to work out. The Browns did find Garrett for their D but have been absolutely awful in the process of rebuilding. They gave up players to keep gathering draft capitol which means the losses and misery piles up.
SaintsInDome2006
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BoltBacker
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They will have coaching stability, if nothing else. I actually think Gruden is a pretty good HC, but I'm not sure why he's piling everything that goes wrong on Carr.... motivational tactic? I'm also not convinced that he's as good a GM as he is a coach. On his way out of TB I thought he had an entire island of misfit toys he was trying to start at QB.DocHolliday said:
LawFitz
Footballguy
DC has looked awful this year. He's scared in the pocket and missing reads all over the field. My knock on him coming out of college was that he struggled when pressured. Two years ago, the Raiders had the best pass blocking OL in football + an OC who designed a system around DC's strengths and he thrived on the way to a near MVP season.
Since that time he's broken his leg and his back and the OL has regressed bigtime due to their own injuries. Add to that yet two new offensive systems that don't fit DC's style (spread) and we're seeing the slow motion meltdown of what was once an elite QB prospect.
There's still time to turn this around. And perhaps Gruden will do that. But I've said it in the Raider thread... Carr is playing like Jeff George - getting stats, but making horrible rookie mistakes because he's not seeing the field well at all. He's scared to stand tall in the pocket and go through is progressions. It's fugly.
Since that time he's broken his leg and his back and the OL has regressed bigtime due to their own injuries. Add to that yet two new offensive systems that don't fit DC's style (spread) and we're seeing the slow motion meltdown of what was once an elite QB prospect.
There's still time to turn this around. And perhaps Gruden will do that. But I've said it in the Raider thread... Carr is playing like Jeff George - getting stats, but making horrible rookie mistakes because he's not seeing the field well at all. He's scared to stand tall in the pocket and go through is progressions. It's fugly.
LawFitz
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Stompin' Tom Connors
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This team is definitely a dumpster fire this year, and Carr needs to own improving his pocket presence and deep ball accuracy and overall confidence.
But this is Year 1 in a new (and complex) system, and our patchwork, threadbare, and barely talented and injury-riddled O-line isn't helping.
Like everything, this isn't all on Carr. But he -- and Gruden, and the rest of the team -- need to go a long way to show some level of consistency, let alone proficiency.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
You cannot compare Carr to Gannon. Gannon was a fiery competitor that made solid decisions on the field. Carr is not.
Well I was asking with respect to the remark about it being year 1 in a complex system. That can affect Carr's decision making. How was it for Gannon?
DocHolliday
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I am too lazy to look it up and I don't remember how Gannon started out of the chute. What I do know is that Carr looks bad. His arm is ok but his decision making seems to be getting worse. He used to play more on instinct or something. Maybe he needs a year in the system. The Oline is not good and may have him jittery as well.
Stompin' Tom Connors
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I will say this: Gannon was a complete journeyman prior to coming to the Raiders -- he was a pure backup his entire career, often the third string QB, with the only run of dependable consecutive starts coming in his Redskins days when Rypien was benched because of mediocrity. Gannon didn't fare much better in the 4 successive games he started through the end of that season (93?).
Gannon came to the Raiders from the Chiefs where he could not break the starting rotation past Bono and that all-time great Elvis Grbac.
He got inserted right away as a starter for the Raiders in Gruden's system (heavily West-Coast based). And made the pro-bowl right away that year. Then did it 3 times again in the 3 successive seasons.
If Gannon can do it, I think Carr has a chance to flourish. It may just be he needs some time and better/more consistent pieces around him.
@DocHolliday is right that Gannon had a fire in his belly ready to prove the world wrong, and did look more poised in the pocket. But I don't think he has anywhere near the talent Carr has.
Gannon came to the Raiders from the Chiefs where he could not break the starting rotation past Bono and that all-time great Elvis Grbac.
He got inserted right away as a starter for the Raiders in Gruden's system (heavily West-Coast based). And made the pro-bowl right away that year. Then did it 3 times again in the 3 successive seasons.
If Gannon can do it, I think Carr has a chance to flourish. It may just be he needs some time and better/more consistent pieces around him.
@DocHolliday is right that Gannon had a fire in his belly ready to prove the world wrong, and did look more poised in the pocket. But I don't think he has anywhere near the talent Carr has.
squistion
Footballguy
Oh, Noes! The dreaded vote of confidence. That means for sure that Carr's days as a Raider are numbered.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
I hope Tom is right about Carr needing time but I'm not so sure about the talent level. Carr has a stronger arm than Gannon ever had but Gannon made better decisions more consistently.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Carr has better arm talent but Gannon at his peak was better in every other way as a QB. Literally every other attribute other than arm talent. And even Carr's accuracy has become suspect of late, so all he might have left over Gannon is just arm strength. You know who else had lots of arm strength, YPA, INTs and L's? Jeff George.
KellysHeroes
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KellysHeroes
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DocHolliday
Footballguy
Losing Cooper seems like it should really hurt Carr's production but Carr didn't throw his way much at all in some games. In any case, Carr has gone from having little use as a FF QB to having no use. The Raiders are going to really struggle on O. No Lynch. No Cooper. Lots of Gruden and Carr.
squistion
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Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
One thing of benefit is that by gutting the team in-season, and losing out the rest of the season, they at least guarantee one of those 3 first round picks next year will be a high one.
Anyone considering (or being forced) to stream Carr this week?
The matchup is there @SF...lousy in terms of points against.
Also, CJ Beathard may not be able to start. Some third stringer could be in the game. Could mean more posessions for Carr. Maybe a very comfortable game.
High floor, maybe not too high of a ceiling, but I'm desperate. It's either Carr, Trubisky (@BUF...tough), or Fitz (who I'm not sure I trust @CAR).
The matchup is there @SF...lousy in terms of points against.
Also, CJ Beathard may not be able to start. Some third stringer could be in the game. Could mean more posessions for Carr. Maybe a very comfortable game.
High floor, maybe not too high of a ceiling, but I'm desperate. It's either Carr, Trubisky (@BUF...tough), or Fitz (who I'm not sure I trust @CAR).
Manster
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