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QB Deshaun Watson, CLE (4 Viewers)

Soulfly3 said:
The Texans did not play him. Hence him getting paid for a while season. 
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Just saying that in February of last year, Watson made it known that he would not play any more games for the Texans.  The Texans then made it easy on him(and the NFL) by not trying to force the issue.  My guess is with the legal issues, they didn't want to add another barrier to trading the player.

I also get that you now care since he is on the Browns, but just remember, he has refused to play for an NFL team and got away with it.  Good luck with that.

 
brewer said:
Just saying that in February of last year, Watson made it known that he would not play any more games for the Texans.  The Texans then made it easy on him(and the NFL) by not trying to force the issue.  My guess is with the legal issues, they didn't want to add another barrier to trading the player.

I also get that you now care since he is on the Browns, but just remember, he has refused to play for an NFL team and got away with it.  Good luck with that.
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This is my thought on it. If Houston tried to play him, and the League puts him on the Commish Exempt List, that probably kills any chance a team trades for him until such time as he's off the list. 

Other potential barriers to trading could also exist from playing, like him suffering a serious injury. As opposed to Watson making up a fake one as a way not play. And just other issues to the detriment of the team like having someone there who doesn't want to be there and may not try to play their best, or being a malcontent.

Thinking about it now, I'd assume the Texans and other teams asked the NFL about the List possibility. Between Goodell's latest comment tying the List and criminal charges... one way it could have happened is the NFL told them something like Watson would be put on the List if there were criminal charges looming, but not otherwise.  Which would explain why teams suddenly jumped to trade once the first nine Grand Jury charges got No Billed.

 
icehouse said:
Looks like he got a NTC for the full Browns contract too.
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Whoa - I hadn’t even thought about that. 

Waiting for the SI cover with Watson & the Browns GM in wedding outfits aka Ricky/Ditka, because if this isn’t a case of being married to a player, I dunno what is.

And dude hasn’t played football in a year. There is a possibility that he comes out rusty and flops for the ~11 games he starts in 2022. And wouldn’t that be a delight for just about everyone involved?

Long-term he should be ok. Dude’s a creep, but he’s a good QB. 

 
daveR said:
I gotta think this is a culture gap thing.  He (IMO, this is only my guess, I really don't know) was hiring "massage parlor girls" to do what they do.  NOTHING NEW THERE.  A young, athletic man (like I was many years ago) that's not "hormone-driven" is rare.  So, the NFL has a problem if they want to continue to ignore the elephant in the room and try to portray a lily-white image.  Young people, of either gender, have strong sex drives.  It's normal!!!  I don't blame him for hiring hookers, if that's what happened.  To each his own, but he is digging a hole by trying to dodge that aspect.  IMO, he should just say he wanted a little touchy and paid for it, like a large percentage of the population.  To say otherwise just sounds nonsensical.  
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He's completely denying what he did was wrong, saying so much as that he doesn't think he needs counseling because he doesn't have a problem at all. He thinks what he did is totally normal and fine and even used the mom and 2 aunts forcefield.

 
zeeshan2 said:
He's completely denying what he did was wrong, saying so much as that he doesn't think he needs counseling because he doesn't have a problem at all. He thinks what he did is totally normal and fine and even used the mom and 2 aunts forcefield.
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So even if he does it again, nbd? :shrug:  

 
Obie Wan said:
what a surprise

Buzbee, the master huckste, ramping up the money grab by pandering to the public and tainting the jury pool with release of selective , damaging deposition statements

with no imminent threat of suspension, not likely any settlements coming soon

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/03/29/as-expected-clips-are-leaked-from-deshaun-watson-deposition/
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Yeah, it's the downside of these types of he said/she said actions. Watson and the plaintiffs need to be prepared for it, and of course the public audience to whom info is leaked. Depositions will be heavy on chipping away at credibility and/or intentions. Not a fun process for anyone involved.

 
Obie Wan said:
what a surprise

Buzbee, the master huckste, ramping up the money grab by pandering to the public and tainting the jury pool with release of selective , damaging deposition statements

with no imminent threat of suspension, not likely any settlements coming soon

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/03/29/as-expected-clips-are-leaked-from-deshaun-watson-deposition/
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This is how pretty much every civil suit goes, always. I called it a month ago: statements will be leaked. Evidence will be leaked.

Watson used a bully pulpit of a press conference to claim he was a Boy Scout.

Was that not also “tainting the jury pool”? 

Or is it your position that he’s telling the truth and these women are all lying for their huckster attorney?

:unsure:

 
BigJim® said:
Yeah, it's the downside of these types of he said/she said actions. Watson and the plaintiffs need to be prepared for it, and of course the public audience to whom info is leaked. Depositions will be heavy on chipping away at credibility and/or intentions. Not a fun process for anyone involved.
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Correct. And it goes both ways. Now I’m sure Watson’s team will leak things to denigrate the women, allege they’re hookers, etc.

Its an ugly process. 

 
Obie Wan said:
what a surprise

Buzbee, the master huckste, ramping up the money grab by pandering to the public and tainting the jury pool with release of selective , damaging deposition statements

with no imminent threat of suspension, not likely any settlements coming soon

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/03/29/as-expected-clips-are-leaked-from-deshaun-watson-deposition/
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If that's the worst clip he can release then things are looking good for Watson.

Florio is just trying really really hard to make things seem worse for Watson. This is same guy who just last week was putting out articles people were posting here that Watson was staring at being out for the year on the exempt list. He's just a poop stirrer, not sure why people put any credence in what he says.

 
zeeshan2 said:
He's completely denying what he did was wrong, saying so much as that he doesn't think he needs counseling because he doesn't have a problem at all. He thinks what he did is totally normal and fine and even used the mom and 2 aunts forcefield.
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Would you say anything different if you had 22 pending lawsuits that could cost you many extra millions of dollars based on what you say??

C'mon now

 
menobrown said:
If that's the worst clip he can release then things are looking good for Watson.

Florio is just trying really really hard to make things seem worse for Watson. This is same guy who just last week was putting out articles people were posting here that Watson was staring at being out for the year on the exempt list. He's just a poop stirrer, not sure why people put any credence in what he says.
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Florio is also the one of those (like many in here were)....that jumped the gun and passed judgement on Tyreek Hill without knowing all the information.....and said he would quit his job if Hill ever played another snap....

 
Stinkin Ref said:
I'm not gonna answer if I found a masseuse attractive because I have a "girlfriend".....yet I am willing to admit I had consensual sex with some of them even though I have a "girlfriend"...... :rolleyes:
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The consensual sex, i assume, was when he was single. Not answering the question "now" is because he has a gf....

But someone should tell the man if you can't say another woman is attractive around your girl, that's a major red flag. 

 
Soulfly3 said:
The consensual sex, i assume, was when he was single. Not answering the question "now" is because he has a gf....

But someone should tell the man if you can't say another woman is attractive around your girl, that's a major red flag. 
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should probably get Will Smith's input on offending his wife

 
GregR said:
It would definitely send quite a message. That the NFL's tolerance for sexual misconduct against women then would require at least 25 complaints before they get a 1 game suspension.
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So far there is nothing proving there was any sexual misconduct.  Innocent until proven guilty.  A complaint is irrelevant.  Anybody can make complaints.  Is he guilty?  That hasn't been decided yet (except of course to many people that want to judge him to be guilty before the legal process completes).

 
Soulfly3 said:
The consensual sex, i assume, was when he was single. Not answering the question "now" is because he has a gf....

But someone should tell the man if you can't say another woman is attractive around your girl, that's a major red flag. 
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Pretty sure he had the same GF throughout the allegations if I recall a story I read right. 

Any event, should be no surprise when one being deposed resists answering questions obviously geared to frame a specific picture.

 
zeeshan2 said:
He's completely denying what he did was wrong, saying so much as that he doesn't think he needs counseling because he doesn't have a problem at all. He thinks what he did is totally normal and fine and even used the mom and 2 aunts forcefield.
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I saw bits of the deposition.  He seemed to maintain that it was all about massage at all times.  To me, that seems less likely than hiring "helping hands", if you will.  That, I really don't have a problem with, but I can see where the NFL might.  The place I draw the line is at coercion, which IMO means not respecting a "no".  ( I can say for sure that I will never know the facts or details of that question, so I am powerless to render a real judgment on the matter.)  I will say, though, that it appears that he hired many masseuses, and should have gotten his dialog down pat.  There shouldn't have been any question of consent because of that.   

 
daveR said:
I saw bits of the deposition.  He seemed to maintain that it was all about massage at all times.  To me, that seems less likely than hiring "helping hands", if you will.  That, I really don't have a problem with, but I can see where the NFL might.  The place I draw the line is at coercion, which IMO means not respecting a "no".  ( I can say for sure that I will never know the facts or details of that question, so I am powerless to render a real judgment on the matter.)  I will say, though, that it appears that he hired many masseuses, and should have gotten his dialog down pat.  There shouldn't have been any question of consent because of that.   
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If it was 1 girl, I could see a simple misunderstanding. 

At 47, with 22 of them so upset by the situation they’d pursue criminal charges, and also pursue it what’s civil suits, I have a difficult time accepting that this was 22 simple misunderstandings.

And to the “if that’s the worst they’ve got”, no means no. If it was your mother, or sister, or daughter who was (allegedly) propositioned, and said “no “, you would probably have a problem with that person putting his schvantz on her.

Consent is everything. Yes, it is a quote he said/she said” situation, compounding matters further.

It’s possible these women have character witnesses - other clients, who can testify that they are not a “rub and tug“ specialist.

while I agree there is the presumption of innocence, I am also not yet ready to completely absolve Watson before the civil suits & NFL investigation is completed, as some here seem to be doing.

Clearly this is not nothing. Something happened numerous times with numerous women.  We may never know the truth. We may find out some seedy details in time.

 
What's next for Deshaun Watson and the Cleveland Browns? And what about Baker Mayfield?

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What's next for Watson regarding the 22 lawsuits?

Unless the lawsuits are settled, court documents show the next step after the discovery phase is a pretrial conference, currently scheduled for early May.

Tony Buzbee, the attorney for the plaintiffs, told ESPN recently he has completed six depositions with Watson, including two last week before Watson flew to Cleveland to complete his physical and hold his introductory news conference.

Buzbee said he has 17 depositions with Watson remaining, including a final session "with him just in general." Two of those depositions are scheduled for Wednesday in Houston.

Earlier this month, two grand juries in Texas declined to indict Watson on 10 criminal accusations. Watson now has no known criminal cases pending. But while Harris County, which includes Houston, and Brazoria County, which is south of Houston, have closed the criminal cases, civil cases were filed in other states including Arizona, California and Georgia.

Buzbee, who is focused on the civil cases, said Ashley Solis, the first plaintiff to file a lawsuit against Watson, would have her case tried first. He said that could happen next year, as early as February or March.

"We have a pretty tight schedule getting [Watson's] depositions done, so we can get the case in a posture so that we can try it," Buzbee said. "Because we have to try 22 different cases."

What's next from the NFL?

The looming question hanging over Watson and the Browns is: Will he be suspended by the NFL, and if so, for how long?

First-time offenders who violate the league's code of conduct policy involving "dating violence" and "sexual assault involving physical force" are subject to a baseline suspension of six games without pay. That baseline figure is a guideline, however. In truth, a suspension could fall below or above six games, depending on the NFL's ultimate judgment on the circumstances.

Because of the way Watson's contract is structured, with $1.035 million in base salary for 2022, Watson would lose less than $60,000 per game if he is suspended this season. Cleveland Browns GM Andrew Berry denied Watson's contract was structured to lessen the financial penalty in case of suspension, noting it was intended to give the team "maximum flexibility to execute the rest of our offseason plan."

Goodell said Tuesday the structure of the deal "would not restrict our ability to impose discipline." That's because the league's personal conduct policy indicates "discipline may be a fine, a suspension for a fixed or an indefinite period of time [or] a combination of the two." In other words, the NFL could ostensibly fine Watson in addition to suspending him without pay.

Watson said Friday that Cleveland's record contract offer of $230 million in guaranteed money -- the richest in NFL history by $80 million -- "had nothing to do with" him picking the Browns over the Atlanta Falcons, Carolina Panthers and New Orleans Saints.

While the NFL interviewed some of the women who filed lawsuits against Watson as part of its investigation, Berry said the Browns were advised by their legal counsel against contacting them "out of concern it would be considered interfering with a criminal investigation." Berry said the team used third-party investigators, but he wouldn't say whether those investigators spoke to any of the women.

"I'll say the investigators that we hired were able to get a full perspective of all the cases," Berry said. "I'm not going to go into necessarily the details of everything the investigators did, but they got a full perspective for all the criminal and civil cases."

Browns owners Jimmy and Dee Haslam, who met with Watson in person in Houston before trading for him, were not at Friday's news conference. They did hold a Zoom call with the media later in the day.

Like Berry, the Haslams wouldn't say whether anyone representing the Browns spoke with the women.

"They were able to read depositions and do a tremendous amount of work to where we became comfortable as an organization," Jimmy Haslam said.

When asked about the women who had not given their sworn testimony yet, Haslam said he was "not familiar with exactly how many [depositions] have been given."

Buzbee took issue with the Browns for calling their investigation "extensive," noting that six of his clients had yet to give their depositions.

"They didn't contact me, and again, I didn't expect them to, but I would've taken their call," said Buzbee, who added that to his knowledge the Browns didn't reach out to any of his clients.

Goodell said the NFL's investigators, who are separate from the group hired by the Browns, will determine whether more of the women will be interviewed. Goodell also said Watson could be interviewed.

"We will speak to everybody who can give us a perspective and try to get to the bottom line and the facts," Goodell said.

Watson almost certainly will not be placed on the commissioner's exempt list, the NFL's process for keeping players off the field when they are being investigated for criminal matters.

"If that criminal [case] had proceeded, that would more likely have triggered a commissioner's exempt [list designation]," Goodell said. "At this point, a civil case in and of itself would not do that.

"If there's a violation of the personal conduct policy, that may trigger something. But that would have more likely triggered some discipline in some fashion."

What's next for Watson on the field?

Browns coach Kevin Stefanski said he expects Watson to participate in voluntary workouts, which are scheduled to begin in Cleveland on April 18.

Many Browns veterans skipped OTAs last year, as players from several teams across the league exercised their right in the collective bargaining agreement with the NFL not to attend, based on safety reasons during the COVID-19 pandemic. Stefanski said he's expecting this offseason to be much different.

"There's great value in being around your teammates and around your coaches," Stefanski told reporters Monday from the league meetings, "and Deshaun will be a part of that."

Without giving specifics, Stefanski also said Cleveland's offense would be changing, as it transitions from Baker Mayfield to Watson at quarterback.

"When you're talking about the quarterback position, you better do what that player does best," Stefanski said. "And that's what we want to do, ultimately."

Watson, who went to three straight Pro Bowls before sitting out last season, was one of the top dual-threat passers in the league. In 2020, he completed 70.2% of his passes, threw for 4,823 yards and rushed for 444 more. Watson has 121 combined passing and rushing touchdowns, which is the third most by any player in his first four seasons in NFL history, according to ESPN Stats & Information research.

"There are some things that Deshaun has done in his career that we have done the last couple years," Stefanski said. "And there's a few other things that maybe we haven't featured that we want to do more of now that Deshaun is our quarterback and really match what we're doing to his skill set."

Cleveland recently signed quarterback Jacoby Brissett to be Watson's backup. On Monday, Stefanski acknowledged the possibility of Brissett starting if Watson is suspended.

"That's something we've spoken about," Stefanski said. "Until we know that final answer -- we're speaking in hypotheticals right now -- but we've got to be ready whenever a decision is made, potentially to go with Jacoby, or not. So we'll wait and see what the league has."
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Soulfly3 said:
The consensual sex, i assume, was when he was single. Not answering the question "now" is because he has a gf....

But someone should tell the man if you can't say another woman is attractive around your girl, that's a major red flag. 
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Watson and Jilly Anais have been dating since 2019. All of the civil lawsuits incidents, about which Watson's legal team admits there was some consensual sex, occurred in 2020 and early 2021. So no, your assumption that he was single when these incidents happened was incorrect.

I am surprised when Watson was asked if he had any regrets about what happened, he didn't say he regretted cheating on his girlfriend. That would be consistent with the narrative his legal team has put out there and would not be admitting any legal improprieties. As it is, even if you believe Deshaun didn't do anything improper with the 22 women, you have to admit he is pretty scummy for cheating on his girlfriend with multiple women, and then publicly saying he had no regrets about said conduct.

 
Soulfly3 said:
The consensual sex, i assume, was when he was single. Not answering the question "now" is because he has a gf....

But someone should tell the man if you can't say another woman is attractive around your girl, that's a major red flag. 
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Why would you assume that?  That incidents that led to lawsuits all took place in 2020 (edit: 2 were in 2021).  He's been dating the same woman, Jilly Anais, since 2019. 

 
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I assumed that because I treat these guys as what they are.... football players.

Don't know anything about their history, who theyre with or not with... But she's still with him, eh? I can see that working in his favour, and was likely part of the defense.

 
Soulfly3 said:
I assumed that because I treat these guys as what they are.... football players.

Don't know anything about their history, who theyre with or not with... But she's still with him, eh? I can see that working in his favour, and was likely part of the defense.
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hmmmmm....

his "relationship status" really should have nothing to do with anything in these cases.....married/dating/girlfriend, etc....plus what does "dating" really mean.....it can mean so many different things on so many different levels and be different for everybody....if you are dating someone, is that person your girlfriend....do you think we are dating when I think we are just "hanging out" every once in awhile....

but let's say we all agree they were "dating" as in exclusively committed just to each other.....then I guess I would disagree that the mere fact that they are "still together" actually works in his favor...to me it means he was able to continually manipulate that person into thinking they were exclusive and he had no problem engaging in what many would consider inappropriate actions with strange women...

 
Stinkin Ref said:
to me it means he was able to continually manipulate that person into thinking they were exclusive and he had no problem engaging in what many would consider inappropriate actions with strange women...
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just looked her up and her tagline is "boss babe" :lol:  

"your honor... would a BOSS BABE be with a man who sexually assaulted 22 women!?"

 
GregR said:
Why would you assume that?  That incidents that led to lawsuits all took place in 2020 (edit: 2 were in 2021).  He's been dating the same woman, Jilly Anais, since 2019. 
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Right. When you are dating someone making $30M, the time for outrage is not while you are still dating.

 
ghostguy123 said:
C'mon NFL.  You have been investigating this for a year.  

I think they are waiting to announce anything until something else comes up that they want to deflect attention away from.  
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Dang, a conspiracy theory I hadn’t even considered! 

I can see it now - RidleyGate2.0 drops: “he was working for the mafia, & Baker Mayfield was helping him! Both going into witness protection!” they’ll drop something juicy about Watson’s investigation. :shrug:  

 
ghostguy123 said:
Well, what else are they waiting for
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Something more than he said/she said conflicting stories?  I know NFL has acted based on perception many times and the world is moving closer to guilty until proven innocent so they don't really need any true evidence to do what they want to do.

Personally, I don't have any idea what happened and so I don't perceive him as guilty.  I won't come to a conclusion until/if actual facts come to light.  I still see both sides thinking they are in the right and truly believing it from their perspective.  I just don't know what the right answer is in that case. This can be a very blurry line when each side doesn't communicate properly in the moment.  

 
Gally said:
Something more than he said/she said conflicting stories?  I know NFL has acted based on perception many times and the world is moving closer to guilty until proven innocent so they don't really need any true evidence to do what they want to do.

Personally, I don't have any idea what happened and so I don't perceive him as guilty.  I won't come to a conclusion until/if actual facts come to light.  I still see both sides thinking they are in the right and truly believing it from their perspective.  I just don't know what the right answer is in that case. This can be a very blurry line when each side doesn't communicate properly in the moment.  
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So like, how much time do they need?  Will they suspend him in 2028 if something new from 2020 comes out?

Maybe they just suck at investigating and should be done with it.

If you cant find it in a year, be done

 
ghostguy123 said:
C'mon NFL.  You have been investigating this for a year.  

I think they are waiting to announce anything until something else comes up that they want to deflect attention away from.  
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ghostguy123 said:
So like, how much time do they need?  Will they suspend him in 2028 if something new from 2020 comes out?

Maybe they just suck at investigating and should be done with it.

If you cant find it in a year, be done
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🤔 are any other more important proceedings taking place which could possibly make an employer’s investigation take longer? 🤨

 
Obie Wan said:
what a surprise

Buzbee, the master huckste, ramping up the money grab by pandering to the public and tainting the jury pool with release of selective , damaging deposition statements

with no imminent threat of suspension, not likely any settlements coming soon

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/03/29/as-expected-clips-are-leaked-from-deshaun-watson-deposition/
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Any prospective juror gets asked “do you read or listen to Buzbee?”  Disqualify anyone answering yes. Actually do that for all juries. 

 
ghostguy123 said:
So like, how much time do they need?  Will they suspend him in 2028 if something new from 2020 comes out?

Maybe they just suck at investigating and should be done with it.

If you cant find it in a year, be done
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I doubt the NFL is truly doing much of an investigation.  I think they have been biding their time for as long as they could to see what shakes out.  There was no sense of urgency for the league to do anything since the Texans weren't playing him but now that he is with another team that intends to play him time is running out.

I think they'll delay any formal decision for a couple months because they can but they're going to have to announce whether he is suspended or not by the time camp opens up this summer.  

My $0.02 anyway...

 
maybe there really is an internal debate about a suspension/non-suspension.... not like Roger just comes to conclusions on his own, he is surrounded by brains.

i mean, we not have reports coming out tht the browns are growing in confidence about no suspension... then you have the "obligatory 6 (game)" that others speak of. maybe the rage inside HQ is a differing opinions on there being little/no middle ground between "too harsh" and nothing, esp based on the fact that the only thing to change from day 1, is 2 dismissals of criminal charges.

 
Soulfly3 said:
maybe there really is an internal debate about a suspension/non-suspension.... not like Roger just comes to conclusions on his own, he is surrounded by brains.

i mean, we not have reports coming out tht the browns are growing in confidence about no suspension... then you have the "obligatory 6 (game)" that others speak of. maybe the rage inside HQ is a differing opinions on there being little/no middle ground between "too harsh" and nothing, esp based on the fact that the only thing to change from day 1, is 2 dismissals of criminal charges.
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Well, what would make the NFL the most money?  No suspension?  2,4,8,17??  2 years?  Lifetime ban?

Whatever the answer is, that will be the suspension

Personally I think zero games makes them the most money

 
After the infamous Milledgeville incident, Goodell suspended Roethlisberger for 6 games and was ordered to undergo counseling.  The Rooney's were supposedly involved in the the decision to suspend Roethlishberger because they were extremely pissed and hoping to teach him a lesson.  There were reports at the time that the Steelers seriously considered trading or outright releasing him.

Goodell later reduced the suspension to 4 games after Roethlisberger issued an apology and successfully completed the counseling.  This was well before the "Me Too" movement and considering the number of allegations against Watson it would be quite a turnaround for the league to hand out no suspension at all.

Then again it is not like the NFL has been consistent in these matters either.

 
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ghostguy123 said:
C'mon NFL.  You have been investigating this for a year.  

I think they are waiting to announce anything until something else comes up that they want to deflect attention away from.  
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If they suspended him for 6 games today, and then he ends up winning all 22 lawsuits?  You'd be one of the people leading the outrage that he got suspended when the accusers didn't have enough evidence to win a civil case, and how dare the NFL not have waited to see what the outcome was!

 
A lot has changed with how suspensions are handed down for personal conduct policy. Roger has a say, it's just not judge and jury anymore.

A third party arbitrator, Judge Sue Robinson, is the one that will determine if Watson should get suspended. The arbitrator is approved by NFL and NFLPA so it's not like they just get to appoint someone to do what they want.

I believe the way it works is this Judge would also recommend suspension length, if any. At that point I believe Roger is the one that would hear any appeal.

So in that sense really hard to compare with past cases. 

Then we got the baseline 6 game for personal conduct policy which I think went into effect in 2014.  I'm sure I'm missing someone but since that timeframe I know Elliot got 6 games, Antonio Brown and Hunt both got 8 and AB's was for multiple violations.

I believe the only one of those suspensions that went through the same process that Watson will go through, with Roger not being the person who hands down the initial suspension, was Antonio Brown.

My conclusion is should this Judge Sue find Watson in violation of personal conduct policy there is no way on gods green earth he's getting less then 6 games.

I have no idea what the league has under it's power to hit Watson harder financially with respect to fines though Roger insinuated the league has that power at it's disposal.

 
GregR said:
If they suspended him for 6 games today, and then he ends up winning all 22 lawsuits?  You'd be one of the people leading the outrage that he got suspended when the accusers didn't have enough evidence to win a civil case, and how dare the NFL not have waited to see what the outcome was!
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Well of course I would.

My point is, if they dont have what they would need for a suspension after a YEAR of investigating, maybe drop the investigation and report no suspension expected regardless of the civil cases.  Civil cases are a zoo of an ordeal.  Is anything even truthful in the he said/she said civil cases??

I dont want them to make a decision right now just to quench my cravings of wanting a decision........its been a year.  Enough is enough.  You suck at it.

 
ghostguy123 said:
Well of course I would.

My point is, if they dont have what they would need for a suspension after a YEAR of investigating, maybe drop the investigation and report no suspension expected regardless of the civil cases.  Civil cases are a zoo of an ordeal.  Is anything even truthful in the he said/she said civil cases??

I dont want them to make a decision right now just to quench my cravings of wanting a decision........its been a year.  Enough is enough.  You suck at it.
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This framing seems off though. It’s my understanding that the NFL has not spent a year investigating it.

from what I gather, there are some things the NFL cannot do without interfering with the civil suits.

 
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Tankathon '24-'25
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