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QB Dorian Thompson-Robinson, CLE (1 Viewer)
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General Malaise
Footballguy
I don't know about quieting critics; Washington's defense is one of the worst in the Pac12. Maybe the country. But he has improved a LOT this year, especially with his accuracy. Still lacks a strong arm on deep balls, but he can move for sure. I think he was viewed as a 6th rounder this summer; maybe that's improved, but he was never touted as anything more than a late round pick/undrafted FA.
Plus, look at their schedule so far:
- Bowling Green
- Alabama State
- South Alabama (they almost LOST that game)
- Colorado (the only defense worse than UW in the Pac-12)
- UW (dumpster fire defense)
- Utah
Now, Utah was a big time win for UCLA. And this game against Oregon is huge. I'll be there, but I don't think we're looking at a bona fide starting NFL caliber QB here. Hell, he might be the 2nd best QB at Autzen on Saturday. Bo Nix has been incredible since his dud vs. Georgia.
Plus, look at their schedule so far:
- Bowling Green
- Alabama State
- South Alabama (they almost LOST that game)
- Colorado (the only defense worse than UW in the Pac-12)
- UW (dumpster fire defense)
- Utah
Now, Utah was a big time win for UCLA. And this game against Oregon is huge. I'll be there, but I don't think we're looking at a bona fide starting NFL caliber QB here. Hell, he might be the 2nd best QB at Autzen on Saturday. Bo Nix has been incredible since his dud vs. Georgia.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Man that’s some serious gaslighting. He looked horrible most of the night, very inaccurate. When he needed to step up to go through his progressions he opted to run almost every time. Wasn’t impressive with his legs either.
He’s a long term project IMO.
Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
career backup at the NFL level and he'd have to grow into that. hope the NFL learned that a qb factory, UCLA isn't. though all three were highly ranked coming up from high school, i'm still shocked how high the last two QB's out of UCLA got drafted. Didn't see anyting out of DTR throughout his college games that he's any better.
LawFitz
Footballguy
The last two QBs to get drafted out of UCLA are Josh Rosen (2018 r1.10) and Brett Hundley (2015 r5.11). I like DTR MUCH better than both of them. That said, I wasn't a fan until his last two years at UCLA. It took him a while, but he grew into a legit QB and leader. He's a lot more ready to play in this modern NFL than he's being given credit for IMO.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Chris Sims coming around to my view on DTR...
Chris Simms defends his 2023 NFL Draft QB rankings | Pro Football Talk | NFL on NBC
Chris Simms explains to Mike Florio how C.J. Stroud compares to No. 1 QBs in his previous draft rankings, how Bryce Young’s size factors into his ranking and...
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
If the Lions don't make the aggressive move for a top 10 QB, then DTR is my guy. I hear his Senior Bowl didn't look good. He has enough starter tape, I don't care about his senior bowl. He looked good at the combine as well. I do not see him as a future starter, but I like what he could do as a backup.
Chaka
Footballguy
I don't buy into anything having to do with other QBs that played at UCLA. Rosen & Hundley both played for Jim Mora, they have as much to do with DTR as Troy Aikman (also a pretty good UCLA QB for those too young to remember).
DTR was fun to watch and has tons of game experience. His senior year was as dominant as anyone's too.
Would be nice if he was an inch or two taller and the unevenness of his play from his first four seasons to his final one, an 8% jump over career completion % is significant and it would be more comforting if it happened from year 2 to 3 and stayed there.
Not sure about his release but he definitely knows how to move around the pocket too.
Either way he is an interesting prospect.
DTR was fun to watch and has tons of game experience. His senior year was as dominant as anyone's too.
Would be nice if he was an inch or two taller and the unevenness of his play from his first four seasons to his final one, an 8% jump over career completion % is significant and it would be more comforting if it happened from year 2 to 3 and stayed there.
Not sure about his release but he definitely knows how to move around the pocket too.
Either way he is an interesting prospect.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
East West Shrine Bowl actually; he went to h.s.
LawFitz
Footballguy
He measured 4 inches taller than Bryce Young at the combine at 6'2" v 5'10". Their respective measurements while at school were 6'1" and 6'0", which made me think they are similar size. They aren't.
LawFitz
Footballguy
I am sorry, but the more I (re)watch DTR's highlights, the more I am convinced he is going to be a late riser and get picked way earlier than is currently projected by draft heads.
This dude is a stud. Only Richardson has a better athleticism/arm combo. But DTR had way more experience and success in college. Spent all five years with Chip Kelly running a modern pro-level offense.
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This dude is a stud. Only Richardson has a better athleticism/arm combo. But DTR had way more experience and success in college. Spent all five years with Chip Kelly running a modern pro-level offense.
Dorian Thompson-Robinson 2022 UCLA Season Highlights | Cleveland Browns NFL Draft Pick
UCLA quarterback Dorian Thompson-Robinson in 2022 became UCLA's all-time leader in total offense with 12,236 yards, the only Bruin to ever record over 12,000...
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
Totally agree on Duggan. He can’t play.
LawFitz
Footballguy
I think he has a legit modern NFL skillset. Tons of experience. Frame to put on another 10-15 lbs of grown man size/strength. Record breaking arm strength at the combine caught me by surprise, but his tape shows it. Will be interesting to see how they draft him.
massraider
Footballguy
Not making it at QB with that name. Future bookkeeper.
Chaka
Footballguy
He looks great for sure but can anyone weigh in, intelligently if possible, on his release? He may throw with tons of velocity but, to my untrained eye he seems to have a very long (ie slow) windup.I am sorry, but the more I (re)watch DTR's highlights, the more I am convinced he is going to be a late riser and get picked way earlier than is currently projected by draft heads.
This dude is a stud. Only Richardson has a better athleticism/arm combo. But DTR had way more experience and success in college. Spent all five years with Chip Kelly running a modern pro-level offense.
Dorian Thompson-Robinson 2022 UCLA Season Highlights | Cleveland Browns NFL Draft Pick
UCLA quarterback Dorian Thompson-Robinson in 2022 became UCLA's all-time leader in total offense with 12,236 yards, the only Bruin to ever record over 12,000...
I see the name Duggan and think he should be carrying a 2X4 in one hand, and an American flag in the other.
massraider
Footballguy
Driving a F-150 he just bought at the San Antonio Ford dealership owned by someone named Stetson Bennett.
LawFitz
Footballguy
He certainly doesn't have Mahomes' motion, but I wouldn't describe DTR's throw as "very long" or "slow." Blake Bortles had a very long, slow arm motion. DTR's motion isn't that. Plus the mobility is a huge compensator. To illustrate, you know who does have more of a windmill like Bortles? Jalen Hurts.
LawFitz
Footballguy
My concerns about DTR, and they aren't minor:
1. Decision-making. Improved every year - and dramatically over the totality of his college career - but even his 5th year, he had some bonehead moments sprinkled in. Not sure that will ever totally go away. Maybe with the right type of coach.
2. Injury risk. He may be 6'2'', but he's skinny. He does however, have the frame to put on weight as he matures. He's ~205 lbs now. Needs to get to 215-220 within the next 2-3 years if he's going to be a legit dual threat in the NFL. He can make plays from day one, but you are risking his health putting him out there as a rookie. Best comp is RGIII - similar frame, similar game.
3. Accuracy. He's way more polished than an Anthony Richardson, but we're not looking at a Justin Herbert here. DTR is a legit threat as a passer, but you must use his mobility and improvisation to also make plays, so that defenses loosen up when defending his passing. It has to be a creative offense. You can't just sit him in the pocket and expect dime after dime. Any HC/OC that does that will blow him up. Don't even consider drafting him, if you want to run that type of system. He must be used as a dual threat, which compounds the injury risk.
1. Decision-making. Improved every year - and dramatically over the totality of his college career - but even his 5th year, he had some bonehead moments sprinkled in. Not sure that will ever totally go away. Maybe with the right type of coach.
2. Injury risk. He may be 6'2'', but he's skinny. He does however, have the frame to put on weight as he matures. He's ~205 lbs now. Needs to get to 215-220 within the next 2-3 years if he's going to be a legit dual threat in the NFL. He can make plays from day one, but you are risking his health putting him out there as a rookie. Best comp is RGIII - similar frame, similar game.
3. Accuracy. He's way more polished than an Anthony Richardson, but we're not looking at a Justin Herbert here. DTR is a legit threat as a passer, but you must use his mobility and improvisation to also make plays, so that defenses loosen up when defending his passing. It has to be a creative offense. You can't just sit him in the pocket and expect dime after dime. Any HC/OC that does that will blow him up. Don't even consider drafting him, if you want to run that type of system. He must be used as a dual threat, which compounds the injury risk.
krsone21
Footballguy
I watched some tape and it looks like to me that DTR is able to scan the field and get the ball to his open receiver. Working his way through progressions, not just the first couple but even his 3rd and 4th progression. Also from what I watched he either goes out of bounds or slides when he runs so it doesn't seem like he takes a lot of big hits.
LawFitz
Footballguy
It shouldn't shock if Hooker and/or DTR become the best QBs of this class. To me the difference between them and the big four is marginal. All of them have major upside with warts. I think DTR's warts are smaller than concensus seems to believe. His arm/athlecism combo is elite, and while he is skinny, he isn't small. Imagine what he would have done at Alabama or Ohio St. Will be fun to see if I am right about him.
MrSoup
Footballguy
Lookin good!
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
He looked good last night but he is skinny and I'm not sure he can 'just add' weight due to his height.
Lots of NBA players prove that point.
He 'might' be able to add weight but I don't assume he can because he's 6'2".
LawFitz
Footballguy
DTR has the tools to be a star in the this league, once he is able to get out from under Watson's huge shadow. Until then, he'll develop his NFL awareness and add body mass. Dude is 23 years old. If you don't think he can add 10-15 lbs of good muscle over the next 2-3 years as Watson's backup, I very much disagree.
TartanLion
Footballguy
Chances Watson fails to turn around his poor form last season, gets an injury or something and DTR just comes in and owns the position ??
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A superFlex Dynasty owner that just picked him up off of waivers
( on the bandwagon now )
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Zero. Watson's contract is fully guaranteed, they have to ride him for 3 years minimum. It's so bad that if they cut him after this year he would cost them almost the entire 2024 salary cap in dead money ($200.1M is his 2024 dead number). Best chance is that someone's got some kind of negative news on Watson they can leak and trigger a morals clause to un-guarantee the contract. Otherwise if DTR shines they may find a team looking for a long-term answer that doesn't have access to a top 5 pick or doesn't want to spend one - think Jets, Commanders, Vikings, Bucs, Falcons - to send a mid-rounder and see if they can build around him or tank with him. Carolina did it with Darnold and Mayfield, Houston rolled with a 3rd round rookie for two years, etc. Neither worked out but it got them positioned to eventually draft the franchise guy this year.
DTR was one of my pre-draft crushes and I really really really wanted LVR to roll the dice but ending up in CLE was one of the 5 worst outcomes there could be.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
No matter how much money any QB is guaranteed, they have to perform to a certain level. Even Watson can be benched if he’s not delivering base level QB play.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I agree, but I just don't see that happening.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Yes, it's unlikely but what Watson went through and the amount of time he missed is unusual and it does open up a small chance that mentally he's not the same guy he was in 2020.
