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QB Jalen Milroe, SEA (4 Viewers)

gump said:
travdogg said:
So, watching more than just a couple highlights, I actually didn't think Milroe was anywhere near as bad as his numbers looked against Oklahoma. His pass catchers were awful, with several drops. 2 of the INTs I'd say were not on Milroe at all. The pick-six was 100% on him. Now I'm not gonna claim he played a good game, but I think people look at the stats and get a worse impression than it really was. He had a nice deep TD throw where the WR couldn't stay in bounds.

He's inconsistent, sure. So are a lot of athletic QBs who go on to be successful in the NFL. I saw nothing in that game that made me think Milroe shouldn't be a 1st rounder, especially when contrasted with the majority of what I've seen the last 2 years.
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Now watch the Tennessee game...which was the worst QB performance by a Bama QB in the last 15 years. His inability to execute to mid-range wide open receivers is on display there.
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I think the Oklahoma game is defendable. That was an average game, with lots of bad luck. You certainly can't say that about Tennessee. That was a legit awful game.

I will say, I thought he was excellent (on low volume) against LSU, and especially early in the year against Georgia and Wisconsin.

I think overall, he's a good QB, with almost unlimited upside, but he's certainly not there right now. He's a guy who should probably sit in the NFL, but his ceiling is elite in my eyes. Somewhat like Lamar.
 
Another brutal performance by Milroe. His floor single-handily loses games. Take away the run game and force Milroe to make reads underneath or swing it to a RB…and he totally collapses. Bill O’Brien wanted him to change positions…he should have listened.
 
gump said:
Another brutal performance by Milroe. His floor single-handily loses games. Take away the run game and force Milroe to make reads underneath or swing it to a RB…and he totally collapses. Bill O’Brien wanted him to change positions…he should have listened.
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Not nfl caliber
 
JohnnyU said:
Hendon Hooker has more upside and that probably isn’t saying a whole lot.
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I think Hooker is a fair comp for Milroe, though Milroe won't be 25 as a rookie. I like Hooker quite a bit. Not his fault he's behind Goff. I think if Goff went down, the Lions would still very much be a playoff team.

I think the DTR comps are absurd. Milroe is a lot better than him, both as a passer and a runner.

Malik Willis might not be a bad one, though Willis has very much looked like an NFL caliber QB in spot starts in Green Bay. I do wonder, where would be his development be, if he'd had his entire career with LaFleur?

I'd probably say: Hooker>Milroe>>Willis>>DTR

ETA: I'd absolutely spend a 2nd round pick on Milroe if I were running an NFL team. There's upside there, and you can run an offense with him now, but ideally he sits for a bit.
 
travdogg said:
JohnnyU said:
Hendon Hooker has more upside and that probably isn’t saying a whole lot.
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I think Hooker is a fair comp for Milroe, though Milroe won't be 25 as a rookie. I like Hooker quite a bit. Not his fault he's behind Goff. I think if Goff went down, the Lions would still very much be a playoff team.

I think the DTR comps are absurd. Milroe is a lot better than him, both as a passer and a runner.

Malik Willis might not be a bad one, though Willis has very much looked like an NFL caliber QB in spot starts in Green Bay. I do wonder, where would be his development be, if he'd had his entire career with LaFleur?

I'd probably say: Hooker>Milroe>>Willis>>DTR

ETA: I'd absolutely spend a 2nd round pick on Milroe if I were running an NFL team. There's upside there, and you can run an offense with him now, but ideally he sits for a bit.
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Sorry, I don’t see what you’re seeing.
 
I was going to make a crack about Anthony Richardson, but I’m not sure a franchise makes that mistake again.

At least Milroe is a 64% passer.
 
-OZ- said:
travdogg said:
Milroe is a lot better than him, both as a passer and a runner.
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travdogg said:
I'd absolutely spend a 2nd round pick on Milroe if I were running an NFL team
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travdogg said:
you can run an offense with him now
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Honestly, how much have you watched him?
Dude is a highlight reel, but if he didn’t play for Alabama we wouldn’t be talking about him.
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Pretty much all of the last 2 seasons. He's not a finished product, that's obvious, but he's got a big arm, he's obviously super mobile, he's got good pocket presence, and he's not a bad decision maker. His mechanics need work, and he needs to improve his accuracy, but those are teachable things. Ideally he sits for a year, and gets his mechanics right, but he could run a run heavy ball control offense right now.

I kinda go the other way on the Bama thing. I think if he didn't play for Bama, he wouldn't be held to as high a standard. He's had some bad luck this year, with dropped passes and INT's that weren't his fault. I think he's absolutely a top-4 QB in this class and arguably has the highest ceiling if everything breaks right, though admittedly he has the lowest chance of hitting his ceiling.

I think that profile is worth a 2nd round pick, especially if its a team with a vet QB he can learn behind. Saints (way more to work with than Rattler) Steelers (assuming they can't keep Fields), Seahawks (more to work with than Howell) would all be solid fits in my opinion.
 
travdogg said:
he's got good pocket presence, and he's not a bad decision maker. His mechanics need work, and he needs to improve his accuracy, but those are teachable things.
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It’s funny how we’re seeing similar things but in different ways. I see someone who has moments of brilliant play but far too many bad decisions and accuracy is more of a concern imo.
travdogg said:
though admittedly he has the lowest chance of hitting his ceiling.
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This, we’ll agree.

I don’t doubt that some team will take a chance. But if a staff develops him, that OC and QB coach deserve to become head coaches immediately. Not to mention consideration for Saint hood for working a miracle.
 
Ari Meirov
Alabama QB Jalen Milroe says his former OC and current Patriots OC Bill O'Brien told him he should not be a quarterback.

"How would you feel if I told you that you sucked?"

"Look where I'm at right now. So who gets the last laugh?"
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JohnnyU said:
travdogg said:
JohnnyU said:
Hendon Hooker has more upside and that probably isn’t saying a whole lot.
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I think Hooker is a fair comp for Milroe, though Milroe won't be 25 as a rookie. I like Hooker quite a bit. Not his fault he's behind Goff. I think if Goff went down, the Lions would still very much be a playoff team.

I think the DTR comps are absurd. Milroe is a lot better than him, both as a passer and a runner.

Malik Willis might not be a bad one, though Willis has very much looked like an NFL caliber QB in spot starts in Green Bay. I do wonder, where would be his development be, if he'd had his entire career with LaFleur?

I'd probably say: Hooker>Milroe>>Willis>>DTR

ETA: I'd absolutely spend a 2nd round pick on Milroe if I were running an NFL team. There's upside there, and you can run an offense with him now, but ideally he sits for a bit.
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Sorry, I don’t see what you’re seeing.
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As a Raiders fan I would pay trade for Hookers in a heartbeat.
 
The more I'm looking at this draft, the more I think Milroe goes in the top 20. It's a relatively weak draft in regard to blue chip talent. I like about 12-15 guys in the upper tier player and then it begins moving to preference. Considering the inflated value of the QB spot, I bet a team is willing to draft and develop Milroe earlier than we think.
 
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Max Power said:
The more I'm looking at this draft, the more I think Milroe goes in the top 20. It's a relatively weak draft in regard to blue chip talent. I like about 12-15 guys in the upper tier player and then it begins moving to preference. Considering the inflated value of the QB spot, I bet a team is will to draft and develop Milroe earlier than we think.
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IMO he’d ideally go around 50 to Seattle or 42 to the Jets but you’re probably right that someone will reach.
 
Max Power said:
The more I'm looking at this draft, the more I think Milroe goes in the top 20. It's a relatively weak draft in regard to blue chip talent. I like about 12-15 guys in the upper tier player and then it begins moving to preference. Considering the inflated value of the QB spot, I bet a team is willing to draft and develop Milroe earlier than we think.
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Maybe so and you are right on the lack of blue chip talent.

A few days ago Dane Brugler dropped a two round mock draft where he had Milroe going pick 34 to the Giants. I was curious and went back to the two round mock he put out almost the same date last year to see how accurate he was, understanding a mock draft in early January is not easy.

On the whole he did a really good job IMO, but where he did the worst was the QB's, way off on most of the second tier. The only QB who went lower then he had them pegged was Maye, who he had going 2 and Caleb was the only one he correctly identified the draft slot. The other 4 all went a little to a whole lot higher then he had them pegged and that was a loaded blue chip class. That's just my long winded way of saying if he's projecting him for pick 34 it's certainly no kind of stretch to think he can crack top 20 in a non-blue chip class.

I just hope wherever he lands it's not a place I'm invested in their pass catchers.
 
menobrown said:
Max Power said:
The more I'm looking at this draft, the more I think Milroe goes in the top 20. It's a relatively weak draft in regard to blue chip talent. I like about 12-15 guys in the upper tier player and then it begins moving to preference. Considering the inflated value of the QB spot, I bet a team is willing to draft and develop Milroe earlier than we think.
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Maybe so and you are right on the lack of blue chip talent.

A few days ago Dane Brugler dropped a two round mock draft where he had Milroe going pick 34 to the Giants. I was curious and went back to the two round mock he put out almost the same date last year to see how accurate he was, understanding a mock draft in early January is not easy.

On the whole he did a really good job IMO, but where he did the worst was the QB's, way off on most of the second tier. The only QB who went lower then he had them pegged was Maye, who he had going 2 and Caleb was the only one he correctly identified the draft slot. The other 4 all went a little to a whole lot higher then he had them pegged and that was a loaded blue chip class. That's just my long winded way of saying if he's projecting him for pick 34 it's certainly no kind of stretch to think he can crack top 20 in a non-blue chip class.

I just hope wherever he lands it's not a place I'm invested in their pass catchers.
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QBs have changed a lot from January til April in the last so many years. Baker and Malik are really interesting to re-read about or look at their predraft rankings and mock positions.

NFL people comment that the pro day is just one day, one way to judge, but there have been a whole lot of times that it really doesn't seem true. It seems more like a wet T-shirt contest and the judge gets to go home with the winner.
SInce we can easily find highlights or lowlights, it seems one could present a logical reason in favor or against.

Milroe is gonna catch their eye. No doubt.
 
Bri said:
menobrown said:
Max Power said:
The more I'm looking at this draft, the more I think Milroe goes in the top 20. It's a relatively weak draft in regard to blue chip talent. I like about 12-15 guys in the upper tier player and then it begins moving to preference. Considering the inflated value of the QB spot, I bet a team is willing to draft and develop Milroe earlier than we think.
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Maybe so and you are right on the lack of blue chip talent.

A few days ago Dane Brugler dropped a two round mock draft where he had Milroe going pick 34 to the Giants. I was curious and went back to the two round mock he put out almost the same date last year to see how accurate he was, understanding a mock draft in early January is not easy.

On the whole he did a really good job IMO, but where he did the worst was the QB's, way off on most of the second tier. The only QB who went lower then he had them pegged was Maye, who he had going 2 and Caleb was the only one he correctly identified the draft slot. The other 4 all went a little to a whole lot higher then he had them pegged and that was a loaded blue chip class. That's just my long winded way of saying if he's projecting him for pick 34 it's certainly no kind of stretch to think he can crack top 20 in a non-blue chip class.

I just hope wherever he lands it's not a place I'm invested in their pass catchers.
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QBs have changed a lot from January til April in the last so many years. Baker and Malik are really interesting to re-read about or look at their predraft rankings and mock positions.

NFL people comment that the pro day is just one day, one way to judge, but there have been a whole lot of times that it really doesn't seem true. It seems more like a wet T-shirt contest and the judge gets to go home with the winner.
SInce we can easily find highlights or lowlights, it seems one could present a logical reason in favor or against.

Milroe is gonna catch their eye. No doubt.
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Good post...I hate when people dig their heels in on a QB (be it pro or con) prior to the draft...there are a ton of examples for both scenarios and you just need to keep an open-mind be it good or bad...the bottom-line is it is by far the most important position in the sport and most HC's and GM's are not going to have a long shelf-life if their team doesn't have this position figured out...if a guy has legit tools you have to do everything you can to figure out whether he can be the answer.
 
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Jalen Milroe's quickness, acceleration and top-end speed makes him a nightmare to defend when he takes off in the open-field.

He turns a 3rd & 15 into a 77-yard run, making multiple defenders miss in the process. #NFLDraft
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Jim Nagy
It's well-established Alabama's Jalen Milroe has 𝙂𝘼𝙈𝙀-𝘾𝙃𝘼𝙉𝙂𝙄𝙉𝙂 speed for the position. We're talking Lamar & Michael Vick level wheels.

On this 72-yard TD, @JalenMilroe hit 22.5 mph 💨 for our data partners at @TelemetrySports, which equates to 4.3 40 time. Milroe's previous max speed was 22.4 earlier this season.

Simply dusts LSU's secondary here👇.

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Huge fan of Hurts before he became him, and still a believer in Fields becoming a Hurts facsimile if he can find his own version of the Eagles somehow.

Not feeling the same about Milroe. Dude should've dominated in college, but the red flags were popping this past season. Then again, I would've said the same about Malik Willis prior to this past year, but look at what the Packers were able to bring out. For all of these hybrid QB-RB types, a big key is which coach they land with.

And BTW, none of the four mentioned should be compared to Lamar IMO, who is and always was, a distinct cut above as a pure thrower of the ball.
 
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LawFitz said:
Drunken Cowboy said:
I am not sure about 2nd round, but in the 3rd I think he is a great pick if he has the right mindset. He is an NFL quality RB if he doesn't work out at QB
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Willis was a 3rd rounder, and appears to me to be the best comp, for now at least.
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Milroe is quite a bit more developed than Willis was though. I mean, just from Alabama vs Liberty. Also kind of wonder if Willis didn't get kinda screwed by drafted by Tennessee, I wonder if he'd look like a starter if he'd had LaFleur this entire time.

Any team that drafts Milroe is insane if they expect him to be the starter in 2025. But the upside is as high as anyone. Love him in round 3 but would be shocked if wasn't a top-40 pick.
 
Needs to sit for at least 1 full season. Also needs an OC who can craft an offense around his strengths while hiding his many warts.

Looked horrible in 2 of his last 3 college games. Upside is there athletically, but the red flags are aplenty.
 
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