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QB Jayden Daniels, WAS (2 Viewers)

Jayden took the league by storm in a way very few rookies have. It felt like no moment was too big and he was must watch like OBJ or Barry. But memories of RGIII have to make Washington fans a little nervous. Even as an Eagles fan, I hope Washington surrounds Jayden with a competent supporting cast, he deserves every opportunity to grow into an all time great.
The only comp between Jayden and RGIII are the wheels. Jayden can see the field far better and is a much better passer. Jayden looks special!!!
26 attempts/game 66% 1.3 passing TD/game, 0.3 INT/game, 213 passing yards/game
28 attempts/game 69% 1.5 passing TD/game 0.5 INT/game, 210 passings yards/game

Aleast for that rookie season, they seem like pretty comparable passers

Stats are stats but they aren’t representative of the assignment in this case. Jayden was running hurry up, calling everything at the line, audibling and changing protections, all within the scheme of a legit nfl passing offense. Griffin was doing none of that in a RPO offense that mostly asked him to hit the first read on the pass portion. Massive difference between what they were actually doing on the field. Even still, Griffin became a turd in the off-season after his rookie year. Major, major turd. Daniels has been the exact reverse opposite.
They can only run the offense the coaches let them run. At least early in the year, everything I read and heard on Daniels was they gave him a very simplified offense. Ben Johnson is getting criticism now for not doing the same with Caleb. But ultimately, QBs run the scheme the coaches ask for and both did so we great effectiveness and efficiency.

I don't know much about the turd thing you're referring to. All I know is he hurt his knee his rookie year and then hurt it again in the playoffs and then never seemed right again. I just remember all the controversy around whether the Washington staff should have even had him playing with the knee injury, etc.
 
Jayden took the league by storm in a way very few rookies have. It felt like no moment was too big and he was must watch like OBJ or Barry. But memories of RGIII have to make Washington fans a little nervous. Even as an Eagles fan, I hope Washington surrounds Jayden with a competent supporting cast, he deserves every opportunity to grow into an all time great.
The only comp between Jayden and RGIII are the wheels. Jayden can see the field far better and is a much better passer. Jayden looks special!!!
26 attempts/game 66% 1.3 passing TD/game, 0.3 INT/game, 213 passing yards/game
28 attempts/game 69% 1.5 passing TD/game 0.5 INT/game, 210 passings yards/game

Aleast for that rookie season, they seem like pretty comparable passers

Stats are stats but they aren’t representative of the assignment in this case. Jayden was running hurry up, calling everything at the line, audibling and changing protections, all within the scheme of a legit nfl passing offense. Griffin was doing none of that in a RPO offense that mostly asked him to hit the first read on the pass portion. Massive difference between what they were actually doing on the field. Even still, Griffin became a turd in the off-season after his rookie year. Major, major turd. Daniels has been the exact reverse opposite.
They can only run the offense the coaches let them run. At least early in the year, everything I read and heard on Daniels was they gave him a very simplified offense. Ben Johnson is getting criticism now for not doing the same with Caleb. But ultimately, QBs run the scheme the coaches ask for and both did so we great effectiveness and efficiency.

I don't know much about the turd thing you're referring to. All I know is he hurt his knee his rookie year and then hurt it again in the playoffs and then never seemed right again. I just remember all the controversy around whether the Washington staff should have even had him playing with the knee injury, etc.

Shanahan gave him a simplified offense because it was all he could handle. When Cousins was inserted against Cleveland after the Baltimore game, the playbook was totally different and Griffin took offense. After the season he insisted on becoming a traditional dropback QB in his second year and wouldn’t run certain plays and it went downhill from there.

Biggest problem with Griifin was his attitude. Which was incredibly disappointing mind you because we were sold this guy who was married and graduated college early and was super mature and all around great guy. Then you peel it back and he leaves his wife and kids for another woman, was a communication major, was incredibly insecure about Cousins, all about himself in the media and locker room…it was night and day.

So far Jayden has been the exact opposite of all that, plus he is actually a great pocket passer. He’s everything Robert wasn’t. Forget a slump, dude is going to be better and that’s a scary thought for the rest of the league.
 

So far Jayden has been the exact opposite of all that, plus he is actually a great pocket passer. He’s everything Robert wasn’t. Forget a slump, dude is going to be better and that’s a scary thought for the rest of the league.
Completely agree with the bolded, IF Terry is on board and happy.
 
There is a pretty funny (if not brutal) video of Brian Mitchell taking about RG3 and Jayden. He said the only thing they have in common is they are black, won the heisman and were drafted #2 by Washington. Says Jayden is better at everything and it’s not close. And he’s right, Jayden is a better pocket passer, processes Defenses way better, has better touch on short intermediate and long throws, and knows how to protect himself when running. Most importantly he’s a great teammate and doesn’t have the inflated ego RG3 displayed.
 
There is a pretty funny (if not brutal) video of Brian Mitchell taking about RG3 and Jayden. He said the only thing they have in common is they are black, won the heisman and were drafted #2 by Washington. Says Jayden is better at everything and it’s not close. And he’s right, Jayden is a better pocket passer, processes Defenses way better, has better touch on short intermediate and long throws, and knows how to protect himself when running. Most importantly he’s a great teammate and doesn’t have the inflated ego RG3 displayed.
That is good to hear because that wasn't always the case in college. He took some of the most ridiculous and unnecessary hits I've ever seen from a QB and when he left Arizona State there were videos and reports of many team mates celebrating his departure.
 
In a 2QB slow draft right now and we're coming up on pick 20 and Daniels is still on the board. Seems kinda crazy.

Shouldn’t he be closer to top five according to FBG rankings?
That's what I thought. Allen, Jackson, Hurts, and Burrow are the QBs gone so far. 10 team league, so many are likely looking for late QB bargains. I really thought Daniels would go much higher. Maybe an over-reaction to the McLaurin situation.
 
I won my league with Jayden as my staring QB. He is a total beast who I expect to get drafted super high this year.

I have the option to keep him but is it silly keeping a QB over he likes of a RB on paper? I have the option to keep Jonathan Taylor (3rd), Jayden Daniels (6th), Chase Brown (7th)
or De'Von Achane (8th).

I will 100% stick with Achane but the last spot is a toss up. I have always leaned JT, but the value for Brown is sooo much better so have pivoted to CB. However when doing mocks I hate not having a running QB like Jayden on my team again.

Would you consider keeping Daniels?
 
I won my league with Jayden as my staring QB. He is a total beast who I expect to get drafted super high this year.

I have the option to keep him but is it silly keeping a QB over he likes of a RB on paper? I have the option to keep Jonathan Taylor (3rd), Jayden Daniels (6th), Chase Brown (7th)
or De'Von Achane (8th).

I will 100% stick with Achane but the last spot is a toss up. I have always leaned JT, but the value for Brown is sooo much better so have pivoted to CB. However when doing mocks I hate not having a running QB like Jayden on my team again.

Would you consider keeping Daniels?
I'm seeing it the same way you are. In a vacuum I probably prefer Daniels to Brown, but the idea of having an Achane/Brown backfield and only being out your 7th and 8th round picks is much better roster construction in my opinion.
 
I won my league with Jayden as my staring QB. He is a total beast who I expect to get drafted super high this year.

I have the option to keep him but is it silly keeping a QB over he likes of a RB on paper? I have the option to keep Jonathan Taylor (3rd), Jayden Daniels (6th), Chase Brown (7th)
or De'Von Achane (8th).

I will 100% stick with Achane but the last spot is a toss up. I have always leaned JT, but the value for Brown is sooo much better so have pivoted to CB. However when doing mocks I hate not having a running QB like Jayden on my team again.

Would you consider keeping Daniels?
I’m one of the biggest Redskins homer on these boards but even I would have a hard time not going with Achane and Brown. Just killer values in the 7th and 8th round
 
Any concerns for sophomore slump? League really adjusted to Stroud last year
Stroud's oline was atrocious in 2024. Tunsil, aside from the penalties, was their best player on the oline, very good at pass pro. Now he protects Daniels' blind side. If Comsi returns, their oline is good. If Deebo returns to form, they have better receivers than in 2024.

Kinsbury is also better than Slowick, although its hard to overcome a terrible oline. And Daniels is better than Stroud. Biggest concern is injury, but his running is a super power in fantasy.
 
Any concerns for sophomore slump? League really adjusted to Stroud last year
Stroud's oline was atrocious in 2024. Tunsil, aside from the penalties, was their best player on the oline, very good at pass pro. Now he protects Daniels' blind side. If Comsi returns, their oline is good. If Deebo returns to form, they have better receivers than in 2024.

Kinsbury is also better than Slowick, although its hard to overcome a terrible oline. And Daniels is better than Stroud. Biggest concern is injury, but his running is a super power in fantasy.
Without his number 1 WR, yup. I sure do have concerns.
 
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Any concerns for sophomore slump? League really adjusted to Stroud last year
Stroud's oline was atrocious in 2024. Tunsil, aside from the penalties, was their best player on the oline, very good at pass pro. Now he protects Daniels' blind side. If Comsi returns, their oline is good. If Deebo returns to form, they have better receivers than in 2024.

Kinsbury is also better than Slowick, although its hard to overcome a terrible oline. And Daniels is better than Stroud. Biggest concern is injury, but his running is a super power in fantasy.

I think it was pretty telling that when Tunsil was traded the Texans thread posters were happy about it. Their thread title was Tunsil false starts on his way to the airport. Tunsil as talented as he may be comes with a bunch of red flags. Notably, being toxic in the room and having work ethic issues.

Deebo is what he is, there is no form to return to. He'll miss a few games, be banged up for a bunch of others and end the year with like 700 total yards and a handful of TDs. Guys with conditioning questions don't usually get in shape as they get older and bank a ton of money. You either have that work ethic or you don't.

Fantasy wise, maybe Daniels doesn't take a step back. Their defense is still middling and they're probably going to get run all over since they didn't other to shore up their run defense. I think they may be playing from behind more as their on paper schedule should be harder. WAS won 8 1 possession games last year. There is a poster that studies this and noted that teams that win a bunch of 1 score games usually regress and lose more games the next season (i think it was something like -3 games difference). I'm waiting for him to look at teams from 2024 and run his projections. My guess is he'll have WAS as a regression candidate.
 
Good article on how Daniels and Kingsbury prepare for each practice day:


Each practice day, right around 6 a.m., Jayden Daniels’ phone rings. Kliff Kingsbury is calling. The Washington Commanders offensive coordinator is not placing a long-distance call. Instead, Kingsbury calls his quarterback from the same indoor practice field at the same line of scrimmage. Kingsbury delivers a play-call to Daniels via headphones and awaits quarterbacks coach Tavita Pritchard snapping the ball in one hand while holding the day’s practice script in his other. Kingsbury releases off the line of scrimmage, playing the role of Daniels’ receiver while continuing the conversation by phone. “I’m talking to him as I’m running the route, saying, ‘Hey, if I’m covered …’” Kingsbury told Yahoo Sports. “Talking through how I see the game [to] get him comfortable before meetings.”

Sometimes, this early-morning session lasts 10 minutes. Other days, the trio breaks down the day’s call sheet for 30. They don’t miss a practice day. “Super, super helpful. Super,” Daniels told Yahoo Sports. “I have a walkthrough before the walkthrough, where I already kind of been over it.”
 
Jayden is going to kill it this year. Second year in the system and the addition of Deebo is still an upgrade over anything they had last year. Also TUnsil is a big add on the OL.

Not to mention with their running game a giant question mark, Daniels may use his legs a bit more.
 
Jayden is going to kill it this year. Second year in the system and the addition of Deebo is still an upgrade over anything they had last year. Also TUnsil is a big add on the OL.

Not to mention with their running game a giant question mark, Daniels may use his legs a bit more.
I can't remember who but someone on ESPN said they believe Jayden will throw for over 4000 yards and run for over 1000 yards. I can see that happening. He is soooo damn good.
 
Big test tonight. How we feeling about JD on TNF?

Huge test. I'm a WAS fan but playing against Jayden and Ekeler in my biggest $$ league.

That said, I hope he goes off in prime time. The Packers D is one of the best in the league and Micah is just ramping up. So Daniels playmaking ability will be paramount. I hope he goes up and down the field and Deebo and Bill get all rushing TDs. Lol.

FF wise, I think Jayden's rushing ability keeps his floor high. If GB is able to shut that down I'll be furher impressed. But putting my money on JD5.
 
Sounds like Parsons is going to get more snaps tonight. Jayden will do a lot of scrambling this evening I figure.

How did Tunsil look week 1?
 
Sounds like Parsons is going to get more snaps tonight. Jayden will do a lot of scrambling this evening I figure.

How did Tunsil look week 1?

PFF had Tunsil rated as the 6th overall best pass blocking T in week 1. He did allow a sack and have a holding call but overall he was very good.

I saw somewhere that Parsons played 22 of his 29 snaps over Detroit's all pro RT Sewell. WAS has 1st round rookie Conerly at RT who I thought played decent but graded pretty poorly by PFF. He will def have some growing pains and I'd imagine they will put Parsons on that side again. WAS will have to help him on every snap that Parsons is over there unless it's a WR screen or something like that.
 
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Jayden took the league by storm in a way very few rookies have. It felt like no moment was too big and he was must watch like OBJ or Barry. But memories of RGIII have to make Washington fans a little nervous. Even as an Eagles fan, I hope Washington surrounds Jayden with a competent supporting cast, he deserves every opportunity to grow into an all time great.
The only comp between Jayden and RGIII are the wheels. Jayden can see the field far better and is a much better passer. Jayden looks special!!!
26 attempts/game 66% 1.3 passing TD/game, 0.3 INT/game, 213 passing yards/game
28 attempts/game 69% 1.5 passing TD/game 0.5 INT/game, 210 passings yards/game

Aleast for that rookie season, they seem like pretty comparable passers

Stats are stats but they aren’t representative of the assignment in this case. Jayden was running hurry up, calling everything at the line, audibling and changing protections, all within the scheme of a legit nfl passing offense. Griffin was doing none of that in a RPO offense that mostly asked him to hit the first read on the pass portion. Massive difference between what they were actually doing on the field. Even still, Griffin became a turd in the off-season after his rookie year. Major, major turd. Daniels has been the exact reverse opposite.
They can only run the offense the coaches let them run. At least early in the year, everything I read and heard on Daniels was they gave him a very simplified offense. Ben Johnson is getting criticism now for not doing the same with Caleb. But ultimately, QBs run the scheme the coaches ask for and both did so we great effectiveness and efficiency.

I don't know much about the turd thing you're referring to. All I know is he hurt his knee his rookie year and then hurt it again in the playoffs and then never seemed right again. I just remember all the controversy around whether the Washington staff should have even had him playing with the knee injury, etc.

Shanahan gave him a simplified offense because it was all he could handle. When Cousins was inserted against Cleveland after the Baltimore game, the playbook was totally different and Griffin took offense. After the season he insisted on becoming a traditional dropback QB in his second year and wouldn’t run certain plays and it went downhill from there.

Biggest problem with Griifin was his attitude. Which was incredibly disappointing mind you because we were sold this guy who was married and graduated college early and was super mature and all around great guy. Then you peel it back and he leaves his wife and kids for another woman, was a communication major, was incredibly insecure about Cousins, all about himself in the media and locker room…it was night and day.

So far Jayden has been the exact opposite of all that, plus he is actually a great pocket passer. He’s everything Robert wasn’t. Forget a slump, dude is going to be better and that’s a scary thought for the rest of the league.
the other problem with RG3 is he kept getting hurt.

RG3 was also a runner who could throw.

Jayden is a thrower who can run and his decision making is top notch. RG3 never had that. and at the QB position the decision making is what makes a good QB great. He has it. and I think Jayden will be just fine.
 
Jayden took the league by storm in a way very few rookies have. It felt like no moment was too big and he was must watch like OBJ or Barry. But memories of RGIII have to make Washington fans a little nervous. Even as an Eagles fan, I hope Washington surrounds Jayden with a competent supporting cast, he deserves every opportunity to grow into an all time great.
The only comp between Jayden and RGIII are the wheels. Jayden can see the field far better and is a much better passer. Jayden looks special!!!
26 attempts/game 66% 1.3 passing TD/game, 0.3 INT/game, 213 passing yards/game
28 attempts/game 69% 1.5 passing TD/game 0.5 INT/game, 210 passings yards/game

Aleast for that rookie season, they seem like pretty comparable passers

Stats are stats but they aren’t representative of the assignment in this case. Jayden was running hurry up, calling everything at the line, audibling and changing protections, all within the scheme of a legit nfl passing offense. Griffin was doing none of that in a RPO offense that mostly asked him to hit the first read on the pass portion. Massive difference between what they were actually doing on the field. Even still, Griffin became a turd in the off-season after his rookie year. Major, major turd. Daniels has been the exact reverse opposite.
They can only run the offense the coaches let them run. At least early in the year, everything I read and heard on Daniels was they gave him a very simplified offense. Ben Johnson is getting criticism now for not doing the same with Caleb. But ultimately, QBs run the scheme the coaches ask for and both did so we great effectiveness and efficiency.

I don't know much about the turd thing you're referring to. All I know is he hurt his knee his rookie year and then hurt it again in the playoffs and then never seemed right again. I just remember all the controversy around whether the Washington staff should have even had him playing with the knee injury, etc.

Shanahan gave him a simplified offense because it was all he could handle. When Cousins was inserted against Cleveland after the Baltimore game, the playbook was totally different and Griffin took offense. After the season he insisted on becoming a traditional dropback QB in his second year and wouldn’t run certain plays and it went downhill from there.

Biggest problem with Griifin was his attitude. Which was incredibly disappointing mind you because we were sold this guy who was married and graduated college early and was super mature and all around great guy. Then you peel it back and he leaves his wife and kids for another woman, was a communication major, was incredibly insecure about Cousins, all about himself in the media and locker room…it was night and day.

So far Jayden has been the exact opposite of all that, plus he is actually a great pocket passer. He’s everything Robert wasn’t. Forget a slump, dude is going to be better and that’s a scary thought for the rest of the league.
the other problem with RG3 is he kept getting hurt.

RG3 was also a runner who could throw.

Jayden is a thrower who can run and his decision making is top notch. RG3 never had that. and at the QB position the decision making is what makes a good QB great. He has it. and I think Jayden will be just fine.
We have no idea who will be fine, some may have greater risk to get hurt…but sh** happens. I think Jayden is more aware than RG3 was and that helps.
 
Jayden took the league by storm in a way very few rookies have. It felt like no moment was too big and he was must watch like OBJ or Barry. But memories of RGIII have to make Washington fans a little nervous. Even as an Eagles fan, I hope Washington surrounds Jayden with a competent supporting cast, he deserves every opportunity to grow into an all time great.
The only comp between Jayden and RGIII are the wheels. Jayden can see the field far better and is a much better passer. Jayden looks special!!!
26 attempts/game 66% 1.3 passing TD/game, 0.3 INT/game, 213 passing yards/game
28 attempts/game 69% 1.5 passing TD/game 0.5 INT/game, 210 passings yards/game

Aleast for that rookie season, they seem like pretty comparable passers

Stats are stats but they aren’t representative of the assignment in this case. Jayden was running hurry up, calling everything at the line, audibling and changing protections, all within the scheme of a legit nfl passing offense. Griffin was doing none of that in a RPO offense that mostly asked him to hit the first read on the pass portion. Massive difference between what they were actually doing on the field. Even still, Griffin became a turd in the off-season after his rookie year. Major, major turd. Daniels has been the exact reverse opposite.
They can only run the offense the coaches let them run. At least early in the year, everything I read and heard on Daniels was they gave him a very simplified offense. Ben Johnson is getting criticism now for not doing the same with Caleb. But ultimately, QBs run the scheme the coaches ask for and both did so we great effectiveness and efficiency.

I don't know much about the turd thing you're referring to. All I know is he hurt his knee his rookie year and then hurt it again in the playoffs and then never seemed right again. I just remember all the controversy around whether the Washington staff should have even had him playing with the knee injury, etc.

Shanahan gave him a simplified offense because it was all he could handle. When Cousins was inserted against Cleveland after the Baltimore game, the playbook was totally different and Griffin took offense. After the season he insisted on becoming a traditional dropback QB in his second year and wouldn’t run certain plays and it went downhill from there.

Biggest problem with Griifin was his attitude. Which was incredibly disappointing mind you because we were sold this guy who was married and graduated college early and was super mature and all around great guy. Then you peel it back and he leaves his wife and kids for another woman, was a communication major, was incredibly insecure about Cousins, all about himself in the media and locker room…it was night and day.

So far Jayden has been the exact opposite of all that, plus he is actually a great pocket passer. He’s everything Robert wasn’t. Forget a slump, dude is going to be better and that’s a scary thought for the rest of the league.
the other problem with RG3 is he kept getting hurt.

RG3 was also a runner who could throw.

Jayden is a thrower who can run and his decision making is top notch. RG3 never had that. and at the QB position the decision making is what makes a good QB great. He has it. and I think Jayden will be just fine.
We have no idea who will be fine, some may have greater risk to get hurt…but sh** happens. I think Jayden is more aware than RG3 was and that helps.
its not even close. I know Jayden had a rough day today but he was up against what may now be the best or second best Defense in the NFL.
 
Sending offers on him, numbers are so so but he O is much improved with Samuel potentially, a great piece on the chess board as Terry gets up to speed.

They are gonna look a lot different week 5 and I was generally out at price on drafting Daniels this year, dont have a share anywhere
 
Always tough to go on the road against a suped up team like GB on TNF.

But I thought the general sense of urgency the whole night here was off. Daniels included.
yeah a short week is more talent vs talent rather than game plan vs game plan.

dont get me wrong, there is game planning, but you dont have the time to do nearly as much of it on a short week. so that favors the team with more talent.

as a general rule, with less prep time that favors the defense a bit. so I expected the offenses to be a little sluggish. though admittedly Green Bay's offense looked pretty good.
 
Kingsbury was calling in some pretty uninspired offense for a large majority of the game. Run Ekeler into a wall and three long wasn't working but they kept trying it. Still feel like he hasn't figured out how best to use Deebo, and Terry still feels like he's shaking some rust off. Their other pass catchers are just very mediocre.
 
Always tough to go on the road against a suped up team like GB on TNF.

But I thought the general sense of urgency the whole night here was off. Daniels included.
yeah a short week is more talent vs talent rather than game plan vs game plan.

dont get me wrong, there is game planning, but you dont have the time to do nearly as much of it on a short week. so that favors the team with more talent.

as a general rule, with less prep time that favors the defense a bit. so I expected the offenses to be a little sluggish. though admittedly Green Bay's offense looked pretty good.
I also meant to add early in the season.
 
Definitely gets a pass for this game. They team looked unprepared and uninspired. Short week, disengaged coaching, 1 practice day, out of synch with McLaurin .... it's was all of the above. The thing is Daniels relies heavily on game film prep. There wasn't a lot of time to prep for a revised and upgraded GB defense. Even if he gets a slight sophomore slump, the dude is still very good and is among the best in the NFL at throwing the rock. He will be fine.
 
play calling was AWFUL, and he just looked off last night. I'd say that was probably his worst game as a pro. He just missed some throws that he always seems to make. I wonder if the wrist injury affected him last night? I expect a nice bounce back next week.
 
Definitely gets a pass for this game. They team looked unprepared and uninspired. Short week, disengaged coaching, 1 practice day, out of synch with McLaurin .... it's was all of the above. The thing is Daniels relies heavily on game film prep. There wasn't a lot of time to prep for a revised and upgraded GB defense. Even if he gets a slight sophomore slump, the dude is still very good and is among the best in the NFL at throwing the rock. He will be fine.
yep. if someone offered him to me at a reasonable price I'd still buy all day in a keeper/dynasty format
 
There was just nothing there. It wasn’t as if he was sailing open receivers. The pass rush just took everything away. Play action was non existent as Packers didn’t respect the rush. So they just pinned their ears back. Very impressed that Daniels didn’t quit. My only negative reaction is he made some bad RPO reads. I think he will be great once they gel. Deebo is a great addition. McLaurin will come on. And they will face softer defensive fronts than the Giants and Packers in coming weeks. Daniels will eat those teams alive. And the 10 day rest will help them
 
There was just nothing there. It wasn’t as if he was sailing open receivers. The pass rush just took everything away. Play action was non existent as Packers didn’t respect the rush. So they just pinned their ears back. Very impressed that Daniels didn’t quit. My only negative reaction is he made some bad RPO reads. I think he will be great once they gel. Deebo is a great addition. McLaurin will come on. And they will face softer defensive fronts than the Giants and Packers in coming weeks. Daniels will eat those teams alive. And the 10 day rest will help them
He is going to COOK the Raiders with his legs alone.
 

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