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QB Josh Allen, BUF (2 Viewers)
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Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
And, to think that he hasn't really worked much with the #1's. I haven't watched tonight's game, yet, but I suspect the timing was off with his one miss to Benjamin. They could be a good duo in the quick passing game if they get the timing down.
Wonder what the odds are that Peterman beats him out? Probably unlikely I know, but he hasn't looked terrible himself. I wouldn't expect him to hold the job very long if he did, but I at least think it's a slight possibility. But the draft capital alone will probably be enough to get Allen on the field.
All I know is I'm starting the Ravens defense Week 1.
All I know is I'm starting the Ravens defense Week 1.
Stuart Ullman
Footballguy
I'm not surprised he's starting. Peterman threw 5 picks his first start last year.
Not exactly stiff competition.
Not exactly stiff competition.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
It was more that KB stopped and sat in a hole in the zone while Allen thought he was going to keep running across the middle. KB read it right IMO, Allen probably didn't.
Allen's one bad miss was a swing pass to Murphy that he threw behind and at his feet.
MAC_32
Footballguy
His coaches need to stop calling that. Throwing that pass early and on a line has always been a problem. It isn't going to be coached out of him during on-the-job training.
IvanKaramazov
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Thomas The Skank Engine
Footballguy
Ehhh maybe. The TD was probably the best pass of the night by anyone. Mostly threw tiny passes though. Also had his #1 line vs Browns #2 D, and was aided by a phantom facemask call.
Mayfield started slow but actually throws and completes the ball down the field.
Correct
I think Peterman has still done enough to start week 1 and allow the rookie, a softer entrance to the league. But all the horror stories we heard all offseason about his accuracy are looking overblown to say the least
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
This thread isn't about Baker Mayfield. I think he has an excellent chance of developing into a solid QB, about as good a chance as anybody. QB development is always a little bit of a crap-shoot.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Allen has surprised me. I had odds heavily against him but he’s done some nice things in preseason. I think every mainstream analyst still needs to cut the #### on the hype. His pocket feel has still been hit or miss. The TD pass was very nice but he also got slammed on the blind side earlier because he had no idea the DB was blitzing. When things get more complicated I have fear for him falling back into bad habits. I really wish the Bills wouldn’t rush him but they will and I believe it was always their intention too. All that being said, he clearly has enough to survive with his raw talent. I wouldn’t change much about my rookie rankings with that take but I would be far more apt to roster him at this point.
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voiceofunreason
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King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I will always be enamored with guys that have an arm cannon. Hopefully he can add to that skill set.
Chaka
Footballguy
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
Yeah sure, they held Foles under 60 with the great coaching. Must be all about the coaches.
Chaka
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Sure, because downfield passing is something that Allen doesn't do, lmao.
kupcho1
Footballguy
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
From Peter King's column this morning. Oh, hey Josh Allen sitting at #2 with 70% of balls on target through 2 games (just slightly below league leading Drew Brees's number from last year).
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GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Allen practicing with the 1s today...
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
From what I've seen so-far.
It is going to take time.
It is going to take time.
- He's a few beats off with his timing.
- A few feet (yards) off with some throws.
- A second or two off processing and getting the ball out.
ericttspikes
Footballguy
I saw some video with a timer on the 5 sacks. Looked like most if not all were under 3 seconds. That's tough for most QBs, but especially a rookie. Still like his talent and hope he has a chance to develop.
Chaka
Footballguy
ericttspikes
Footballguy
Buffalo should use Peterman and AJ as cannon fodder for at least the first half of the year, if not the entire year. They should be able to have their choice of OL help next year in the draft and should spend on OL in FA too.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
He's being nice here -- Allen had absolutely no chance on most of those sacks. On one of them, he couldn't even complete a three-step drop before being wrapped up.
Joe Summer
Footballguy
This assessment is what I would expect to see for an undrafted free agent, not a 1st round pick.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
My unscientific hand timing had the 5 sacks at:
1.9, 2.0, 2.0, 2.3, 2.9, and 3.4 (I think I accidentally included the last hit he took in these numbers which wasn't a sack).
I calculated mine from snap until first contact. He had free rushers on several of them that essentially made it impossible to throw the ball before contact.
According to NFL.com NextGen stats, the shortest Time To Throw average in the league last year was about 2.42 seconds with most QBs looking to be around the 2.6-2.7 range.
Hard to blame the kid a whole lot. Lots of folks saying it was his fault for not processing fast enough, but that seems unrealistic and unfair.
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GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Quick summary of drives:
1st Drive: Clay drops perfectly thrown pass on 1st down. Illegal motion on Buffalo on 3rd down, but declined because Allen got hit and sacked 1.9 seconds after the snap.
2nd Drive: Allen is hit and sacked in 2.0 seconds on 2nd and 2. Miller commits false start on 3rd. Lame run on 3rd.
3rd Drive: False start on 1st down. Bills start 1st and 15. 2 yard run on 1st. Allen is flushed from pocket on 2nd and 13 and badly underthrows that should have been a TD. 3rd and 13, Allen takes a long time in pocket and throws a rocket over the head of his receiver. Receiver probably couldn't catch it, but also pulled his hands down for some reason.
4th Drive: Allen makes a few nice shorter throws. On 3rd and 4, he tries to run for the 1st down, dives, and is spotted short. Would have been overturned on review.
5th Drive: 3rd and 3 and Allen is hit and sacked in 2.0 seconds after snap.
6th Drive: Personal foul makes it 1st and 22. Allen is hit and sacked 2.3 seconds after the snap. 3rd and 29 Allen holds onto ball looking for big play for 1st down and gets hit and sacked 2.9 seconds after the snap (2 defenders pushed right back into him).
7th Drive: Benjamin drops a beautiful deep ball on 1st down. 3rd and 7, Charles Clay runs his route short of the sticks and comes up about a half yard short on a nice pass.
8th Drive: 1st down, defenders gets pressure, Allen tries to get out of pocket to make a play but gets taken down and slams his head into ground while barely getting through ball out of bounds.
I'm not sure how anyone could watch that game and blame Allen a whole lot.
He had 17 dropbacks. Out of those 17 dropbacks, he had:
2 dropped passes
5 sacks including 3 under 2.4 seconds and 4 under 3.0.
At least 1 throwaway under pressure.
11 of his 17 dropbacks the Bengals recorded a QB pressure on. That's just stupid.
1st Drive: Clay drops perfectly thrown pass on 1st down. Illegal motion on Buffalo on 3rd down, but declined because Allen got hit and sacked 1.9 seconds after the snap.
2nd Drive: Allen is hit and sacked in 2.0 seconds on 2nd and 2. Miller commits false start on 3rd. Lame run on 3rd.
3rd Drive: False start on 1st down. Bills start 1st and 15. 2 yard run on 1st. Allen is flushed from pocket on 2nd and 13 and badly underthrows that should have been a TD. 3rd and 13, Allen takes a long time in pocket and throws a rocket over the head of his receiver. Receiver probably couldn't catch it, but also pulled his hands down for some reason.
4th Drive: Allen makes a few nice shorter throws. On 3rd and 4, he tries to run for the 1st down, dives, and is spotted short. Would have been overturned on review.
5th Drive: 3rd and 3 and Allen is hit and sacked in 2.0 seconds after snap.
6th Drive: Personal foul makes it 1st and 22. Allen is hit and sacked 2.3 seconds after the snap. 3rd and 29 Allen holds onto ball looking for big play for 1st down and gets hit and sacked 2.9 seconds after the snap (2 defenders pushed right back into him).
7th Drive: Benjamin drops a beautiful deep ball on 1st down. 3rd and 7, Charles Clay runs his route short of the sticks and comes up about a half yard short on a nice pass.
8th Drive: 1st down, defenders gets pressure, Allen tries to get out of pocket to make a play but gets taken down and slams his head into ground while barely getting through ball out of bounds.
I'm not sure how anyone could watch that game and blame Allen a whole lot.
He had 17 dropbacks. Out of those 17 dropbacks, he had:
2 dropped passes
5 sacks including 3 under 2.4 seconds and 4 under 3.0.
At least 1 throwaway under pressure.
11 of his 17 dropbacks the Bengals recorded a QB pressure on. That's just stupid.
ericttspikes
Footballguy
That's my take too. Getting better at pre-snap reads and adjusting plays at the LOS would help, but again, that will take time and work.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
There were perhaps one or two plays where maybe he could have gotten rid of the ball a little faster. But Aaron Rodgers would have looked terrible with the blocking Allen received.
I havent seen the tape yet and wouldnt know how to watch for this if I tried, but:IvanKaramazov said:
Any possibility that a vet like Rodgers would have made better protection calls or audbles that would have prevented some of the free rushers? RG3’s Redskins career showed us that sometimes perceived OL issues can be the QB’s fault.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I can't say with 100% certainty that it wouldn't have made a difference, but most of the pressure seemed to simply be linemen losing the one on one battle. The one sack Geno Atkins basically picked up Vlad Ducasse and walked him right back into Allen. John Miller just got flat beaten off the ball. Ryan Groy at center didn't get his head up in time and his man blew right by him.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
This is an article about the 2nd game... And it was posted a day AFTER the 3rd game.
Turrible.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
The left guard repeatedly got crushed by Atkins. It wouldn't have mattered. The LT, Dawkins didn't suit up and they kept rotating centers on him. McDermott wanted to pump the brakes on the rookie hype a bit and let Peterman win the competition and start a few games before Allen takes over.
JetMaxx
Footballguy
If McDermott is so insecure that he needs to expose his prized, future of the franchise rookie to a merciless beatdown that included getting his head bounced off the turf in order to pump the brakes then I’d have serious doubts about his leadership.
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
He's pretty conservative. Peterman has looked good but should have been picked off a few times this preseason on out throws. He doesn't have the arm strength to get the ball there. Plus it'll be better for McDermott and staff to pull Peterman once they are 1-3, than have Josh Allen go 0-1 and have to hear "Start Peterman" from about 25% of the fan base that likes the kid.
ericttspikes
Footballguy
Bills are going to wreck this guy, right? I really like Josh, but trading AJ seems dumb. Great to get something for him, but at this point they need bodies behind that oline that aren't named Josh Allen.
squistion
Footballguy
Not what one would hope for with a QB who has accuracy issues to begin with. Pederman is probably the Week 1 starter but probably not long before Allen in thrown in the fire.
