QB Justin Fields, NYJ (2 Viewers)

[menobrown]

I think he's a top 10 QB this year because of his running ability

I agree and hope he is as I have him in dynasty. But I do have some concerns. PIT needs a QB bad and they decided to let him go after 1 year. Yeah I know the back and forth but if PIT really wanted Fields they would have let him play the year (not bring in Wilson) and followed it up with a 2nd-year offer that was solid.

Fields is on his third team now and hes only 26. I do think he had lots to learn as he came into the NFL and he was not given the coaching and help he needed in CHI. Even Caleb didn't get what he needed to start his career there.

I really thought Tomlin and crew would work with Fields and let him grow and develop in PIT and I really wonder what happened there. Fields had the team at 4-2 and then got benched - after a win....

Steelers first signed Wilson, then traded for Fields. Wilson was always going to be the starter, then he got hurt. Fields came in a played well but gave the job back to the 13 year vet when he was healthy. Although he never said so, I'm sure Fields didn't like how that played out. He signed with the Jets even though the Steelers offered similar money, but Jets offered more guaranteed money.

This does not jive with anything I've heard or read. Which was they lowballed him and Wilson, in part because they always wanted Rodgers.

"So what did the Steelers offer? According to Steelers Now sources, the team offered Fields a two-year deal worth $30 million. While the specific distribution of salaries could not be ascertained as of this writing, Aditi Kinkhabwala of CBS Sports reported on Monday that the Steelers did not offer any guarantees beyond the first year to Fields."

Sources: Steelers, Justin Fields Were Far Apart in Guaranteed Money

The contract details for the deal between Justin Fields and the New York Jets have been revealed, and the Pittsburgh

sports.yahoo.com

Thanks for the reply, hard to know on structure how much money was in year one but also not sure how $30M is similar to $40m?

How about "competitive"? $5 mil a year seems "competitive", but yeah Jets offerered more top line $ and guaranteed $ and he went there.

For sure. I was just trying to clarify that the Jets offered a much better contract so money was why he joined the Jets.

What we'll probably never know is if the money had been fairly equal who he'd have chosen. I suspect the Jets but again can't know that for sure. I just don't want to see the story get twisted over time to suggest he was so hurt by getting benched that he wanted nothing to do with the Steelers when all really know is he made the right business decision.

 

[pinkstapler]

Can't wait for him to thump the Stillers in week one. Fields was screwed last year.

ha oh my Steelers Jets week 1 is just perfect especially if they sign Rodgers

Had to be what the schedule makers had in mind right?

 

[Grid71]

I think he's a top 10 QB this year because of his running ability

I agree and hope he is as I have him in dynasty. But I do have some concerns. PIT needs a QB bad and they decided to let him go after 1 year. Yeah I know the back and forth but if PIT really wanted Fields they would have let him play the year (not bring in Wilson) and followed it up with a 2nd-year offer that was solid.

Fields is on his third team now and hes only 26. I do think he had lots to learn as he came into the NFL and he was not given the coaching and help he needed in CHI. Even Caleb didn't get what he needed to start his career there.

I really thought Tomlin and crew would work with Fields and let him grow and develop in PIT and I really wonder what happened there. Fields had the team at 4-2 and then got benched - after a win....

Steelers first signed Wilson, then traded for Fields. Wilson was always going to be the starter, then he got hurt. Fields came in a played well but gave the job back to the 13 year vet when he was healthy. Although he never said so, I'm sure Fields didn't like how that played out. He signed with the Jets even though the Steelers offered similar money, but Jets offered more guaranteed money.

This does not jive with anything I've heard or read. Which was they lowballed him and Wilson, in part because they always wanted Rodgers.

"So what did the Steelers offer? According to Steelers Now sources, the team offered Fields a two-year deal worth $30 million. While the specific distribution of salaries could not be ascertained as of this writing, Aditi Kinkhabwala of CBS Sports reported on Monday that the Steelers did not offer any guarantees beyond the first year to Fields."

Sources: Steelers, Justin Fields Were Far Apart in Guaranteed Money

The contract details for the deal between Justin Fields and the New York Jets have been revealed, and the Pittsburgh

sports.yahoo.com

Thanks for the reply, hard to know on structure how much money was in year one but also not sure how $30M is similar to $40m?

How about "competitive"? $5 mil a year seems "competitive", but yeah Jets offerered more top line $ and guaranteed $ and he went there.

For sure. I was just trying to clarify that the Jets offered a much better contract so money was why he joined the Jets.

What we'll probably never know is if the money had been fairly equal who he'd have chosen. I suspect the Jets but again can't know that for sure. I just don't want to see the story get twisted over time to suggest he was so hurt by getting benched that he wanted nothing to do with the Steelers when all really know is he made the right business decision.

Steelers fan here. Tomlin wasn't going to guarantee the starting job plus pushed Fields to reign it in. Play safe. Didn't want to let Fields do what he does best. Hoped for better, but felt like the Steelers blew it.

I think JF made the best decision for himself. Gets to be himself on the Jets with a better contract. Big bonus, goes from Pickens to his old college connection Garrett Wilson. Rooting for him to do well in New Jersey and earn a big contract extension.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I think he's a top 10 QB this year because of his running ability

Top 10 FF QB

Might lose his job after 1 season if his turnover issues persist. He was actually very fortunate last year in that he seemed to fumble at about the same rate, but a huge % of them were recovered by the Steelers. His Ints were down, but IIRC so were his PA/game.

Fields is the single best example of the disparity between FF & RL football value.

I’m rooting for him, despite no longer having shares. He seems like a good dude, and I’d like him to be successful. IMO it’s a coin flip at this point. He hasn’t had the smoothest path of development.

 

[sm8680]

I’ve been low on Mike Tomlin for years, but benching Justin Fields made my respect sink even further. Fields went 4-2, proved himself, and still got replaced by Russell Wilson. He admitted feeling “uncomfortable” but stayed professional and kept working.

Despite the Steelers’ struggles, Tomlin never reconsidered. Now, Fields is off to the Jets, and Pittsburgh lost more than just a quarterback they lost an opportunity. Benching him wasn’t just a coaching move; it was a failure to recognize talent. My respect for Tomlin is officially rock bottom.

 

[barackdhouse]

I think he's a top 10 QB this year because of his running ability

He hasn’t had the smoothest path of development.

You're right in terms of the pieces around him, on the field and organizationally, but he has shown improvement individually each season. And this season he will have the best pieces around him by far on the field.

*His fumbling rate before coming to the Steelers was 0.40 fumbles per start. After fumbling 4 times in 6 starts last year for PIT, that rate changed to 0.44. Big whoop.
*He only threw 1 INT last year after throwing 30 in his first 3 years in Chicago (that really isn't that bad). Relative to 45 TD passes so 45:31 - that isn't so bad really.
*His completion % went from 58.9 to 60.4 to 61.4 to 65.8, rating from 73.2 to 85.2 to 86.3 to 93.3
*YPA has gone from 6.9 to 7.1 to 6.9 to 6.9 which are all good numbers
*He showed noticeable improvement reocket presence, just my opinion don't know how to quantify that
*His biggest weakness has been and continues to be processing speed and getting the ball out quicker. He showed me big steps in that regard in his last season in Chicago as well as the brief stint in PIT, but by that time it was too late the entire community hates his guts.

I'd reiterate that G Wilson/Taylor/Hall >>>> whatever the Steelers and Bears were running out there. Pickens and Freiermuth? DJ Moore for one season otherwise Mooney and Kmet? Oh wait wait the 2022 Bears had Chase Claypool and Equanimeous St Brown.

He still needs to take another step but this is a great chance to do it.

The TLDR here is that his path of development has been a *straight line* of improvement. While surrounded by mediocrity.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I think he's a top 10 QB this year because of his running ability

He hasn’t had the smoothest path of development.

You're right in terms of the pieces around him, on the field and organizationally, but he has shown improvement individually each season. And this season he will have the best pieces around him by far on the field.

*His fumbling rate before coming to the Steelers was 0.40 fumbles per start. After fumbling 4 times in 6 starts last year for PIT, that rate changed to 0.44. Big whoop.
*He only threw 1 INT last year after throwing 30 in his first 3 years in Chicago (that really isn't that bad). Relative to 45 TD passes so 45:31 - that isn't so bad really.
*His completion % went from 58.9 to 60.4 to 61.4 to 65.8, rating from 73.2 to 85.2 to 86.3 to 93.3
*YPA has gone from 6.9 to 7.1 to 6.9 to 6.9 which are all good numbers
*He showed noticeable improvement reocket presence, just my opinion don't know how to quantify that
*His biggest weakness has been and continues to be processing speed and getting the ball out quicker. He showed me big steps in that regard in his last season in Chicago as well as the brief stint in PIT, but by that time it was too late the entire community hates his guts.

I'd reiterate that G Wilson/Taylor/Hall >>>> whatever the Steelers and Bears were running out there. Pickens and Freiermuth? DJ Moore for one season otherwise Mooney and Kmet? Oh wait wait the 2022 Bears had Chase Claypool and Equanimeous St Brown.

He still needs to take another step but this is a great chance to do it.

The TLDR here is that his path of development has been a *straight line* of improvement. While surrounded by mediocrity.

You're preaching to the choir on all of this - I was his biggest champion here for years.

I give it a 50-50 shot he resurects his career and plays winning football to the point he's rewarded with a long-term contract. But like I said, I'm rooting for it.

 

[Faust]

Justin Fields has up-and-down showing at latest practice of Jets OTAs

 

[Chaka]

I’ve been low on Mike Tomlin for years, but benching Justin Fields made my respect sink even further. Fields went 4-2, proved himself, and still got replaced by Russell Wilson. He admitted feeling “uncomfortable” but stayed professional and kept working.

Despite the Steelers’ struggles, Tomlin never reconsidered. Now, Fields is off to the Jets, and Pittsburgh lost more than just a quarterback they lost an opportunity. Benching him wasn’t just a coaching move; it was a failure to recognize talent. My respect for Tomlin is officially rock bottom.

I think that is an incomplete accounting of last year in Pittsburgh.

Wilson went 6-1 before finishing 0-4 against the Eagles, Ravens, Chiefs & Bengals. Then they drew the Ravens again in the playoffs.

It's hard to argue there is a world where Pittsburgh performs better over those last 12 games with Fields in over Wilson.

 

[Faust]

Zack Rosenblatt
Garrett Wilson said he'd watch Justin Fields film when he was with the Bears thinking "I would've caught that."

Said he thinks Fields is much better than people realize — and has felt that way since he was drafted, when he thought Fields should've went higher than he did.

"I know exactly what he can do. Now the world's gotta see it."

https://x.com/zackblatt/status/1925262953449673176?s=61

 

[N Zone]

Zack Rosenblatt
Garrett Wilson said he'd watch Justin Fields film when he was with the Bears thinking "I would've caught that."

Said he thinks Fields is much better than people realize — and has felt that way since he was drafted, when he thought Fields should've went higher than he did.

"I know exactly what he can do. Now the world's gotta see it."

https://x.com/zackblatt/status/1925262953449673176?s=61

He watched him play for the Bears and thought he could catch that. This doesn't even make sense since he already caught balls from Fields for 2 years at Ohio State.

Garrett Wilson 'Thrilled' to Be Reunited With Ex-Ohio State Teammate Justin Fields

Wilson caught passes from Fields for two seasons with the Buckeyes.

www.si.com

 

[menobrown]

I’ve been low on Mike Tomlin for years, but benching Justin Fields made my respect sink even further. Fields went 4-2, proved himself, and still got replaced by Russell Wilson. He admitted feeling “uncomfortable” but stayed professional and kept working.

Despite the Steelers’ struggles, Tomlin never reconsidered. Now, Fields is off to the Jets, and Pittsburgh lost more than just a quarterback they lost an opportunity. Benching him wasn’t just a coaching move; it was a failure to recognize talent. My respect for Tomlin is officially rock bottom.

I think that is an incomplete accounting of last year in Pittsburgh.

Wilson went 6-1 before finishing 0-4 against the Eagles, Ravens, Chiefs & Bengals. Then they drew the Ravens again in the playoffs.

It's hard to argue there is a world where Pittsburgh performs better over those last 12 games with Fields in over Wilson.

I'm with you and I'm a Steelers fan who has no issue with how Tomlin handled the QB room last year.

 

[Big Nate]

I think he's a top 10 QB this year because of his running ability

He hasn’t had the smoothest path of development.

You're right in terms of the pieces around him, on the field and organizationally, but he has shown improvement individually each season. And this season he will have the best pieces around him by far on the field.

*His fumbling rate before coming to the Steelers was 0.40 fumbles per start. After fumbling 4 times in 6 starts last year for PIT, that rate changed to 0.44. Big whoop.
*He only threw 1 INT last year after throwing 30 in his first 3 years in Chicago (that really isn't that bad). Relative to 45 TD passes so 45:31 - that isn't so bad really.
*His completion % went from 58.9 to 60.4 to 61.4 to 65.8, rating from 73.2 to 85.2 to 86.3 to 93.3
*YPA has gone from 6.9 to 7.1 to 6.9 to 6.9 which are all good numbers
*He showed noticeable improvement reocket presence, just my opinion don't know how to quantify that
*His biggest weakness has been and continues to be processing speed and getting the ball out quicker. He showed me big steps in that regard in his last season in Chicago as well as the brief stint in PIT, but by that time it was too late the entire community hates his guts.

I'd reiterate that G Wilson/Taylor/Hall >>>> whatever the Steelers and Bears were running out there. Pickens and Freiermuth? DJ Moore for one season otherwise Mooney and Kmet? Oh wait wait the 2022 Bears had Chase Claypool and Equanimeous St Brown.

He still needs to take another step but this is a great chance to do it.

The TLDR here is that his path of development has been a *straight line* of improvement. While surrounded by mediocrity.

You had me at hello...

PIT/Arthur Smith has never been known for their elite passing in their last few years and as you say CHI was a hot mess who did nothing to help him.

I sure hope Fields balls out in NY. When Fields plays he's a legit top 10QB each week. A full season at starter would be great, especially if he can keep improving.

 

[greenmountaingoat]

Zack Rosenblatt
Garrett Wilson said he'd watch Justin Fields film when he was with the Bears thinking "I would've caught that."

Said he thinks Fields is much better than people realize — and has felt that way since he was drafted, when he thought Fields should've went higher than he did.

"I know exactly what he can do. Now the world's gotta see it."

https://x.com/zackblatt/status/1925262953449673176?s=61

He watched him play for the Bears and thought he could catch that. This doesn't even make sense since he already caught balls from Fields for 2 years at Ohio State.

Garrett Wilson 'Thrilled' to Be Reunited With Ex-Ohio State Teammate Justin Fields

Wilson caught passes from Fields for two seasons with the Buckeyes.

www.si.com

How does that not make sense? Wilson is saying that he would have done a better job of catching Fields' passes than the Bears WRs did- while Fields was on the Bears. Like if Wilson was on the Bears, he would have come down with some of those passes that hit the turf. I don't know if I believe that he's right lol but that's certainly what I think he intended with that statement.

 

[sm8680]

I’ve been low on Mike Tomlin for years, but benching Justin Fields made my respect sink even further. Fields went 4-2, proved himself, and still got replaced by Russell Wilson. He admitted feeling “uncomfortable” but stayed professional and kept working.

Despite the Steelers’ struggles, Tomlin never reconsidered. Now, Fields is off to the Jets, and Pittsburgh lost more than just a quarterback they lost an opportunity. Benching him wasn’t just a coaching move; it was a failure to recognize talent. My respect for Tomlin is officially rock bottom.

I think that is an incomplete accounting of last year in Pittsburgh.

Wilson went 6-1 before finishing 0-4 against the Eagles, Ravens, Chiefs & Bengals. Then they drew the Ravens again in the playoffs.

It's hard to argue there is a world where Pittsburgh performs better over those last 12 games with Fields in over Wilson.

I see your point, Chaka, but I don’t think Wilson’s early wins tell the full story. His 6-1 start was heavily padded by those first two games against the Jets and Giants teams that weren’t exactly powerhouses last year. Meanwhile, Fields was performing well and showed a lot of promise, but despite that, he was benched in favor of a veteran who ultimately fizzled out when it mattered most.

Down the stretch, the Steelers looked like they lost their fight. The energy, momentum, and confidence just weren’t there. With Fields, I believe they could have had a different trajectory one with more upside and long-term stability. Wilson's decline was apparent, and sticking with him was a missed opportunity. Pittsburgh didn't just lose a quarterback; they lost a real shot at something better.

 

[Chaka]

I’ve been low on Mike Tomlin for years, but benching Justin Fields made my respect sink even further. Fields went 4-2, proved himself, and still got replaced by Russell Wilson. He admitted feeling “uncomfortable” but stayed professional and kept working.

Despite the Steelers’ struggles, Tomlin never reconsidered. Now, Fields is off to the Jets, and Pittsburgh lost more than just a quarterback they lost an opportunity. Benching him wasn’t just a coaching move; it was a failure to recognize talent. My respect for Tomlin is officially rock bottom.

I think that is an incomplete accounting of last year in Pittsburgh.

Wilson went 6-1 before finishing 0-4 against the Eagles, Ravens, Chiefs & Bengals. Then they drew the Ravens again in the playoffs.

It's hard to argue there is a world where Pittsburgh performs better over those last 12 games with Fields in over Wilson.

I see your point, Chaka, but I don’t think Wilson’s early wins tell the full story. His 6-1 start was heavily padded by those first two games against the Jets and Giants teams that weren’t exactly powerhouses last year. Meanwhile, Fields was performing well and showed a lot of promise, but despite that, he was benched in favor of a veteran who ultimately fizzled out when it mattered most.

Down the stretch, the Steelers looked like they lost their fight. The energy, momentum, and confidence just weren’t there. With Fields, I believe they could have had a different trajectory one with more upside and long-term stability. Wilson's decline was apparent, and sticking with him was a missed opportunity. Pittsburgh didn't just lose a quarterback; they lost a real shot at something better.

Again that feels like half the story.

Fields faced Atlanta, Denver in Nix's second start, Dallas, Indy, the Raiders and the Chargers. Only the Chargers can be viewed as a good team when Fields faced them.

In Fields's 4-2 start the offense averaged 20.7 ppg (including 32 pts against the Raiders) the defense gave up 14 ppg.
In Wilson's 6-1 start (including wins against Washington, Baltimore & Cincinnati) the offense averaged 28.4 ppg (37 ppg against the Jets and 44 against the Bengals) and the defense gave up 21 ppg.

The last five games were terrible for the Steelers and Wilson was the QB, but I don't see the argument where Fields would changed the outcomes against Phili, Baltimore x2, the Chiefs and the Bengals.

Do you?

FTR: I had Fields on both my fantasy teams at the beginning of the season and started him regularly. I am a fan of him as a fantasy QB but, IRL he has a very long way to go.

 

[sm8680]

I’ve been low on Mike Tomlin for years, but benching Justin Fields made my respect sink even further. Fields went 4-2, proved himself, and still got replaced by Russell Wilson. He admitted feeling “uncomfortable” but stayed professional and kept working.

Despite the Steelers’ struggles, Tomlin never reconsidered. Now, Fields is off to the Jets, and Pittsburgh lost more than just a quarterback they lost an opportunity. Benching him wasn’t just a coaching move; it was a failure to recognize talent. My respect for Tomlin is officially rock bottom.

I think that is an incomplete accounting of last year in Pittsburgh.

Wilson went 6-1 before finishing 0-4 against the Eagles, Ravens, Chiefs & Bengals. Then they drew the Ravens again in the playoffs.

It's hard to argue there is a world where Pittsburgh performs better over those last 12 games with Fields in over Wilson.

I see your point, Chaka, but I don’t think Wilson’s early wins tell the full story. His 6-1 start was heavily padded by those first two games against the Jets and Giants teams that weren’t exactly powerhouses last year. Meanwhile, Fields was performing well and showed a lot of promise, but despite that, he was benched in favor of a veteran who ultimately fizzled out when it mattered most.

Down the stretch, the Steelers looked like they lost their fight. The energy, momentum, and confidence just weren’t there. With Fields, I believe they could have had a different trajectory one with more upside and long-term stability. Wilson's decline was apparent, and sticking with him was a missed opportunity. Pittsburgh didn't just lose a quarterback; they lost a real shot at something better.

Again that feels like half the story.

Fields faced Atlanta, Denver in Nix's second start, Dallas, Indy, the Raiders and the Chargers. Only the Chargers can be viewed as a good team when Fields faced them.

In Fields's 4-2 start the offense averaged 20.7 ppg (including 32 pts against the Raiders) the defense gave up 14 ppg.
In Wilson's 6-1 start (including wins against Washington, Baltimore & Cincinnati) the offense averaged 28.4 ppg (37 ppg against the Jets and 44 against the Bengals) and the defense gave up 21 ppg.

The last five games were terrible for the Steelers and Wilson was the QB, but I don't see the argument where Fields would changed the outcomes against Phili, Baltimore x2, the Chiefs and the Bengals.

Do you?

FTR: I had Fields on both my fantasy teams at the beginning of the season and started him regularly. I am a fan of him as a fantasy QB but, IRL he has a very long way to go.

I hear you, Chaka, but the real issue isn’t just about stats or matchup it’s about how the Steelers looked. When you watched those last five games, you could see a team that had run out of gas. The energy, the urgency, the belief gone. There were moments where it felt like they weren’t fighting for anything. It wasn’t just Wilson struggling; it was the whole team showing signs of a loss of confidence and direction.

That’s why sticking with Wilson was such a mistake. Fields wasn’t just a quarterback; he was a shot at something different momentum, spark, a future beyond a stale, uninspired offense. Even if he didn’t guarantee wins against the toughest teams, he might’ve kept Pittsburgh from looking defeated. That’s what stings most: not just losing games but losing any semblance of belief that they could compete.

And now Fields is gone, and Pittsburgh is back to square one. They didn’t just mismanage a roster move they failed to recognize a moment when they needed to fight. That’s why I can’t respect Tomlin’s decision.

People keep saying ‘Russell is cookin,’ but at this point, he’s overcooked dried out, burnt, and way past his prime. The only thing heating up is his descent.

 

[Chaka]

I’ve been low on Mike Tomlin for years, but benching Justin Fields made my respect sink even further. Fields went 4-2, proved himself, and still got replaced by Russell Wilson. He admitted feeling “uncomfortable” but stayed professional and kept working.

Despite the Steelers’ struggles, Tomlin never reconsidered. Now, Fields is off to the Jets, and Pittsburgh lost more than just a quarterback they lost an opportunity. Benching him wasn’t just a coaching move; it was a failure to recognize talent. My respect for Tomlin is officially rock bottom.

I think that is an incomplete accounting of last year in Pittsburgh.

Wilson went 6-1 before finishing 0-4 against the Eagles, Ravens, Chiefs & Bengals. Then they drew the Ravens again in the playoffs.

It's hard to argue there is a world where Pittsburgh performs better over those last 12 games with Fields in over Wilson.

I see your point, Chaka, but I don’t think Wilson’s early wins tell the full story. His 6-1 start was heavily padded by those first two games against the Jets and Giants teams that weren’t exactly powerhouses last year. Meanwhile, Fields was performing well and showed a lot of promise, but despite that, he was benched in favor of a veteran who ultimately fizzled out when it mattered most.

Down the stretch, the Steelers looked like they lost their fight. The energy, momentum, and confidence just weren’t there. With Fields, I believe they could have had a different trajectory one with more upside and long-term stability. Wilson's decline was apparent, and sticking with him was a missed opportunity. Pittsburgh didn't just lose a quarterback; they lost a real shot at something better.

Again that feels like half the story.

Fields faced Atlanta, Denver in Nix's second start, Dallas, Indy, the Raiders and the Chargers. Only the Chargers can be viewed as a good team when Fields faced them.

In Fields's 4-2 start the offense averaged 20.7 ppg (including 32 pts against the Raiders) the defense gave up 14 ppg.
In Wilson's 6-1 start (including wins against Washington, Baltimore & Cincinnati) the offense averaged 28.4 ppg (37 ppg against the Jets and 44 against the Bengals) and the defense gave up 21 ppg.

The last five games were terrible for the Steelers and Wilson was the QB, but I don't see the argument where Fields would changed the outcomes against Phili, Baltimore x2, the Chiefs and the Bengals.

Do you?

FTR: I had Fields on both my fantasy teams at the beginning of the season and started him regularly. I am a fan of him as a fantasy QB but, IRL he has a very long way to go.

I hear you, Chaka, but the real issue isn’t just about stats or matchup it’s about how the Steelers looked. When you watched those last five games, you could see a team that had run out of gas. The energy, the urgency, the belief gone. There were moments where it felt like they weren’t fighting for anything. It wasn’t just Wilson struggling; it was the whole team showing signs of a loss of confidence and direction.

That’s why sticking with Wilson was such a mistake. Fields wasn’t just a quarterback; he was a shot at something different momentum, spark, a future beyond a stale, uninspired offense. Even if he didn’t guarantee wins against the toughest teams, he might’ve kept Pittsburgh from looking defeated. That’s what stings most: not just losing games but losing any semblance of belief that they could compete.

And now Fields is gone, and Pittsburgh is back to square one. They didn’t just mismanage a roster move they failed to recognize a moment when they needed to fight. That’s why I can’t respect Tomlin’s decision.

People keep saying ‘Russell is cookin,’ but at this point, he’s overcooked dried out, burnt, and way past his prime. The only thing heating up is his descent.

At what point do you make the decision to bench Wilson after a 6-1 start? The offense wasn't just a little better under Wilson, it was significantly better. Per game they put 8 more points, 2 more first downs, 73 more pass yards and 1 more rush yard. They scored 21 or more points five times compared to twice under fields (Fields did have a 20 point game). At the same time the defense was collapsing.

The offense was objectively so much better under Wilson.

When you're 10-3 with four to go after which loss do you bench Wilson at that point? Phili, Baltimore, KC or Cinci?

No, the Steelers did nothing wrong sticking with Wilson.

 

[sm8680]

I’ve been low on Mike Tomlin for years, but benching Justin Fields made my respect sink even further. Fields went 4-2, proved himself, and still got replaced by Russell Wilson. He admitted feeling “uncomfortable” but stayed professional and kept working.

Despite the Steelers’ struggles, Tomlin never reconsidered. Now, Fields is off to the Jets, and Pittsburgh lost more than just a quarterback they lost an opportunity. Benching him wasn’t just a coaching move; it was a failure to recognize talent. My respect for Tomlin is officially rock bottom.

I think that is an incomplete accounting of last year in Pittsburgh.

Wilson went 6-1 before finishing 0-4 against the Eagles, Ravens, Chiefs & Bengals. Then they drew the Ravens again in the playoffs.

It's hard to argue there is a world where Pittsburgh performs better over those last 12 games with Fields in over Wilson.

I see your point, Chaka, but I don’t think Wilson’s early wins tell the full story. His 6-1 start was heavily padded by those first two games against the Jets and Giants teams that weren’t exactly powerhouses last year. Meanwhile, Fields was performing well and showed a lot of promise, but despite that, he was benched in favor of a veteran who ultimately fizzled out when it mattered most.

Down the stretch, the Steelers looked like they lost their fight. The energy, momentum, and confidence just weren’t there. With Fields, I believe they could have had a different trajectory one with more upside and long-term stability. Wilson's decline was apparent, and sticking with him was a missed opportunity. Pittsburgh didn't just lose a quarterback; they lost a real shot at something better.

Again that feels like half the story.

Fields faced Atlanta, Denver in Nix's second start, Dallas, Indy, the Raiders and the Chargers. Only the Chargers can be viewed as a good team when Fields faced them.

In Fields's 4-2 start the offense averaged 20.7 ppg (including 32 pts against the Raiders) the defense gave up 14 ppg.
In Wilson's 6-1 start (including wins against Washington, Baltimore & Cincinnati) the offense averaged 28.4 ppg (37 ppg against the Jets and 44 against the Bengals) and the defense gave up 21 ppg.

The last five games were terrible for the Steelers and Wilson was the QB, but I don't see the argument where Fields would changed the outcomes against Phili, Baltimore x2, the Chiefs and the Bengals.

Do you?

FTR: I had Fields on both my fantasy teams at the beginning of the season and started him regularly. I am a fan of him as a fantasy QB but, IRL he has a very long way to go.

I hear you, Chaka, but the real issue isn’t just about stats or matchup it’s about how the Steelers looked. When you watched those last five games, you could see a team that had run out of gas. The energy, the urgency, the belief gone. There were moments where it felt like they weren’t fighting for anything. It wasn’t just Wilson struggling; it was the whole team showing signs of a loss of confidence and direction.

That’s why sticking with Wilson was such a mistake. Fields wasn’t just a quarterback; he was a shot at something different momentum, spark, a future beyond a stale, uninspired offense. Even if he didn’t guarantee wins against the toughest teams, he might’ve kept Pittsburgh from looking defeated. That’s what stings most: not just losing games but losing any semblance of belief that they could compete.

And now Fields is gone, and Pittsburgh is back to square one. They didn’t just mismanage a roster move they failed to recognize a moment when they needed to fight. That’s why I can’t respect Tomlin’s decision.

People keep saying ‘Russell is cookin,’ but at this point, he’s overcooked dried out, burnt, and way past his prime. The only thing heating up is his descent.

At what point do you make the decision to bench Wilson after a 6-1 start? The offense wasn't just a little better under Wilson, it was significantly better. Per game they put 8 more points, 2 more first downs, 73 more pass yards and 1 more rush yard. They scored 21 or more points five times compared to twice under fields (Fields did have a 20 point game). At the same time the defense was collapsing.

The offense was objectively so much better under Wilson.

When you're 10-3 with four to go after which loss do you bench Wilson at that point? Phili, Baltimore, KC or Cinci?

No, the Steelers did nothing wrong sticking with Wilson.

We can agree to disagree. One gets to a point they need to move on.

 

[Chaka]

I’ve been low on Mike Tomlin for years, but benching Justin Fields made my respect sink even further. Fields went 4-2, proved himself, and still got replaced by Russell Wilson. He admitted feeling “uncomfortable” but stayed professional and kept working.

Despite the Steelers’ struggles, Tomlin never reconsidered. Now, Fields is off to the Jets, and Pittsburgh lost more than just a quarterback they lost an opportunity. Benching him wasn’t just a coaching move; it was a failure to recognize talent. My respect for Tomlin is officially rock bottom.

I think that is an incomplete accounting of last year in Pittsburgh.

Wilson went 6-1 before finishing 0-4 against the Eagles, Ravens, Chiefs & Bengals. Then they drew the Ravens again in the playoffs.

It's hard to argue there is a world where Pittsburgh performs better over those last 12 games with Fields in over Wilson.

I see your point, Chaka, but I don’t think Wilson’s early wins tell the full story. His 6-1 start was heavily padded by those first two games against the Jets and Giants teams that weren’t exactly powerhouses last year. Meanwhile, Fields was performing well and showed a lot of promise, but despite that, he was benched in favor of a veteran who ultimately fizzled out when it mattered most.

Down the stretch, the Steelers looked like they lost their fight. The energy, momentum, and confidence just weren’t there. With Fields, I believe they could have had a different trajectory one with more upside and long-term stability. Wilson's decline was apparent, and sticking with him was a missed opportunity. Pittsburgh didn't just lose a quarterback; they lost a real shot at something better.

Again that feels like half the story.

Fields faced Atlanta, Denver in Nix's second start, Dallas, Indy, the Raiders and the Chargers. Only the Chargers can be viewed as a good team when Fields faced them.

In Fields's 4-2 start the offense averaged 20.7 ppg (including 32 pts against the Raiders) the defense gave up 14 ppg.
In Wilson's 6-1 start (including wins against Washington, Baltimore & Cincinnati) the offense averaged 28.4 ppg (37 ppg against the Jets and 44 against the Bengals) and the defense gave up 21 ppg.

The last five games were terrible for the Steelers and Wilson was the QB, but I don't see the argument where Fields would changed the outcomes against Phili, Baltimore x2, the Chiefs and the Bengals.

Do you?

FTR: I had Fields on both my fantasy teams at the beginning of the season and started him regularly. I am a fan of him as a fantasy QB but, IRL he has a very long way to go.

I hear you, Chaka, but the real issue isn’t just about stats or matchup it’s about how the Steelers looked. When you watched those last five games, you could see a team that had run out of gas. The energy, the urgency, the belief gone. There were moments where it felt like they weren’t fighting for anything. It wasn’t just Wilson struggling; it was the whole team showing signs of a loss of confidence and direction.

That’s why sticking with Wilson was such a mistake. Fields wasn’t just a quarterback; he was a shot at something different momentum, spark, a future beyond a stale, uninspired offense. Even if he didn’t guarantee wins against the toughest teams, he might’ve kept Pittsburgh from looking defeated. That’s what stings most: not just losing games but losing any semblance of belief that they could compete.

And now Fields is gone, and Pittsburgh is back to square one. They didn’t just mismanage a roster move they failed to recognize a moment when they needed to fight. That’s why I can’t respect Tomlin’s decision.

People keep saying ‘Russell is cookin,’ but at this point, he’s overcooked dried out, burnt, and way past his prime. The only thing heating up is his descent.

At what point do you make the decision to bench Wilson after a 6-1 start? The offense wasn't just a little better under Wilson, it was significantly better. Per game they put 8 more points, 2 more first downs, 73 more pass yards and 1 more rush yard. They scored 21 or more points five times compared to twice under fields (Fields did have a 20 point game). At the same time the defense was collapsing.

The offense was objectively so much better under Wilson.

When you're 10-3 with four to go after which loss do you bench Wilson at that point? Phili, Baltimore, KC or Cinci?

No, the Steelers did nothing wrong sticking with Wilson.

We can agree to disagree. One gets to a point they need to move on.

I'm not trying to convert you, I'm asking a very specific question.

At what point do you bench Wilson when you're 10-3 and the offense has been performing objectgively much better than it was under fields?

 

[sm8680]

I’ve been low on Mike Tomlin for years, but benching Justin Fields made my respect sink even further. Fields went 4-2, proved himself, and still got replaced by Russell Wilson. He admitted feeling “uncomfortable” but stayed professional and kept working.

Despite the Steelers’ struggles, Tomlin never reconsidered. Now, Fields is off to the Jets, and Pittsburgh lost more than just a quarterback they lost an opportunity. Benching him wasn’t just a coaching move; it was a failure to recognize talent. My respect for Tomlin is officially rock bottom.

I think that is an incomplete accounting of last year in Pittsburgh.

Wilson went 6-1 before finishing 0-4 against the Eagles, Ravens, Chiefs & Bengals. Then they drew the Ravens again in the playoffs.

It's hard to argue there is a world where Pittsburgh performs better over those last 12 games with Fields in over Wilson.

I see your point, Chaka, but I don’t think Wilson’s early wins tell the full story. His 6-1 start was heavily padded by those first two games against the Jets and Giants teams that weren’t exactly powerhouses last year. Meanwhile, Fields was performing well and showed a lot of promise, but despite that, he was benched in favor of a veteran who ultimately fizzled out when it mattered most.

Down the stretch, the Steelers looked like they lost their fight. The energy, momentum, and confidence just weren’t there. With Fields, I believe they could have had a different trajectory one with more upside and long-term stability. Wilson's decline was apparent, and sticking with him was a missed opportunity. Pittsburgh didn't just lose a quarterback; they lost a real shot at something better.

Again that feels like half the story.

Fields faced Atlanta, Denver in Nix's second start, Dallas, Indy, the Raiders and the Chargers. Only the Chargers can be viewed as a good team when Fields faced them.

In Fields's 4-2 start the offense averaged 20.7 ppg (including 32 pts against the Raiders) the defense gave up 14 ppg.
In Wilson's 6-1 start (including wins against Washington, Baltimore & Cincinnati) the offense averaged 28.4 ppg (37 ppg against the Jets and 44 against the Bengals) and the defense gave up 21 ppg.

The last five games were terrible for the Steelers and Wilson was the QB, but I don't see the argument where Fields would changed the outcomes against Phili, Baltimore x2, the Chiefs and the Bengals.

Do you?

FTR: I had Fields on both my fantasy teams at the beginning of the season and started him regularly. I am a fan of him as a fantasy QB but, IRL he has a very long way to go.

I hear you, Chaka, but the real issue isn’t just about stats or matchup it’s about how the Steelers looked. When you watched those last five games, you could see a team that had run out of gas. The energy, the urgency, the belief gone. There were moments where it felt like they weren’t fighting for anything. It wasn’t just Wilson struggling; it was the whole team showing signs of a loss of confidence and direction.

That’s why sticking with Wilson was such a mistake. Fields wasn’t just a quarterback; he was a shot at something different momentum, spark, a future beyond a stale, uninspired offense. Even if he didn’t guarantee wins against the toughest teams, he might’ve kept Pittsburgh from looking defeated. That’s what stings most: not just losing games but losing any semblance of belief that they could compete.

And now Fields is gone, and Pittsburgh is back to square one. They didn’t just mismanage a roster move they failed to recognize a moment when they needed to fight. That’s why I can’t respect Tomlin’s decision.

People keep saying ‘Russell is cookin,’ but at this point, he’s overcooked dried out, burnt, and way past his prime. The only thing heating up is his descent.

At what point do you make the decision to bench Wilson after a 6-1 start? The offense wasn't just a little better under Wilson, it was significantly better. Per game they put 8 more points, 2 more first downs, 73 more pass yards and 1 more rush yard. They scored 21 or more points five times compared to twice under fields (Fields did have a 20 point game). At the same time the defense was collapsing.

The offense was objectively so much better under Wilson.

When you're 10-3 with four to go after which loss do you bench Wilson at that point? Phili, Baltimore, KC or Cinci?

No, the Steelers did nothing wrong sticking with Wilson.

We can agree to disagree. One gets to a point they need to move on.

I'm not trying to convert you, I'm asking a very specific question.

At what point do you bench Wilson when you're 10-3 and the offense has been performing objectgively much better than it was under fields?

Chaka, I see your point, but this isn’t just about stats it’s about recognizing when a team needs more than numbers. The Steelers lacked energy and direction, and Fields represented an opportunity for something more sustainable.

That said, I think we’ve both made our perspectives clear. We’re unlikely to change each other’s minds, so I’m going to step away from this discussion.

 

[Chaka]

Chaka, I see your point, but this isn’t just about stats it’s about recognizing when a team needs more than numbers. The Steelers lacked energy and direction, and Fields represented an opportunity for something more sustainable.

At the time, when they were 4-2, I was in the camp they never should have benched Fields in the first place. But they did and, in retrospect it really looked like a good decision.

But then they started to fade, which is easy to see, also in retrospect.

But, at the time when should Tomlin have made the move from Wilson to Fields? After which game?

 

[N Zone]

Zack Rosenblatt
Garrett Wilson said he'd watch Justin Fields film when he was with the Bears thinking "I would've caught that."

Said he thinks Fields is much better than people realize — and has felt that way since he was drafted, when he thought Fields should've went higher than he did.

"I know exactly what he can do. Now the world's gotta see it."

https://x.com/zackblatt/status/1925262953449673176?s=61

He watched him play for the Bears and thought he could catch that. This doesn't even make sense since he already caught balls from Fields for 2 years at Ohio State.

Garrett Wilson 'Thrilled' to Be Reunited With Ex-Ohio State Teammate Justin Fields

Wilson caught passes from Fields for two seasons with the Buckeyes.

www.si.com

How does that not make sense? Wilson is saying that he would have done a better job of catching Fields' passes than the Bears WRs did- while Fields was on the Bears. Like if Wilson was on the Bears, he would have come down with some of those passes that hit the turf. I don't know if I believe that he's right lol but that's certainly what I think he intended with that statement.

I had DJ Moore that year. He was f'n great. Also, the Bears and Steelers were better with Justin Fields than Caleb Williams and Russell Wilson. Can't wait to see what Fields does with the Jets, and Garret Wilson and Breece Hall too.

 

[Chaka]

Zack Rosenblatt
Garrett Wilson said he'd watch Justin Fields film when he was with the Bears thinking "I would've caught that."

Said he thinks Fields is much better than people realize — and has felt that way since he was drafted, when he thought Fields should've went higher than he did.

"I know exactly what he can do. Now the world's gotta see it."

https://x.com/zackblatt/status/1925262953449673176?s=61

He watched him play for the Bears and thought he could catch that. This doesn't even make sense since he already caught balls from Fields for 2 years at Ohio State.

Garrett Wilson 'Thrilled' to Be Reunited With Ex-Ohio State Teammate Justin Fields

Wilson caught passes from Fields for two seasons with the Buckeyes.

www.si.com

How does that not make sense? Wilson is saying that he would have done a better job of catching Fields' passes than the Bears WRs did- while Fields was on the Bears. Like if Wilson was on the Bears, he would have come down with some of those passes that hit the turf. I don't know if I believe that he's right lol but that's certainly what I think he intended with that statement.

I had DJ Moore that year. He was f'n great. Also, the Bears and Steelers were better with Justin Fields than Caleb Williams and Russell Wilson. Can't wait to see what Fields does with the Jets, and Garret Wilson and Breece Hall too.

I really like Fields as a fantasy QB. I think Tomlin should have stuck with him when they were 4-2. But, in retrospect it's hard to argue against Tomlin's decisions.

Were the Steelers better with Fields?

Honest question:
Do you think Fields would have pulled out the games against Philly, Baltimore, KC, Cincinnati?

Maybe knocked out Baltimore in the first round?

Personally, I don't see it.

 

[Big Nate]

I’ve been low on Mike Tomlin for years, but benching Justin Fields made my respect sink even further. Fields went 4-2, proved himself, and still got replaced by Russell Wilson. He admitted feeling “uncomfortable” but stayed professional and kept working.

Despite the Steelers’ struggles, Tomlin never reconsidered. Now, Fields is off to the Jets, and Pittsburgh lost more than just a quarterback they lost an opportunity. Benching him wasn’t just a coaching move; it was a failure to recognize talent. My respect for Tomlin is officially rock bottom.

I think that is an incomplete accounting of last year in Pittsburgh.

Wilson went 6-1 before finishing 0-4 against the Eagles, Ravens, Chiefs & Bengals. Then they drew the Ravens again in the playoffs.

It's hard to argue there is a world where Pittsburgh performs better over those last 12 games with Fields in over Wilson.

I see your point, Chaka, but I don’t think Wilson’s early wins tell the full story. His 6-1 start was heavily padded by those first two games against the Jets and Giants teams that weren’t exactly powerhouses last year. Meanwhile, Fields was performing well and showed a lot of promise, but despite that, he was benched in favor of a veteran who ultimately fizzled out when it mattered most.

Down the stretch, the Steelers looked like they lost their fight. The energy, momentum, and confidence just weren’t there. With Fields, I believe they could have had a different trajectory one with more upside and long-term stability. Wilson's decline was apparent, and sticking with him was a missed opportunity. Pittsburgh didn't just lose a quarterback; they lost a real shot at something better.

I hadn't really thought about it but your last point is true. Whether that be due to Wilson or a combination of things, PIT did not look good down the stretch. Fields could have given them a change of pace and maybe brought back that fire. Whatever it was, it was not working.

 

[Chaka]

I’ve been low on Mike Tomlin for years, but benching Justin Fields made my respect sink even further. Fields went 4-2, proved himself, and still got replaced by Russell Wilson. He admitted feeling “uncomfortable” but stayed professional and kept working.

Despite the Steelers’ struggles, Tomlin never reconsidered. Now, Fields is off to the Jets, and Pittsburgh lost more than just a quarterback they lost an opportunity. Benching him wasn’t just a coaching move; it was a failure to recognize talent. My respect for Tomlin is officially rock bottom.

I think that is an incomplete accounting of last year in Pittsburgh.

Wilson went 6-1 before finishing 0-4 against the Eagles, Ravens, Chiefs & Bengals. Then they drew the Ravens again in the playoffs.

It's hard to argue there is a world where Pittsburgh performs better over those last 12 games with Fields in over Wilson.

I see your point, Chaka, but I don’t think Wilson’s early wins tell the full story. His 6-1 start was heavily padded by those first two games against the Jets and Giants teams that weren’t exactly powerhouses last year. Meanwhile, Fields was performing well and showed a lot of promise, but despite that, he was benched in favor of a veteran who ultimately fizzled out when it mattered most.

Down the stretch, the Steelers looked like they lost their fight. The energy, momentum, and confidence just weren’t there. With Fields, I believe they could have had a different trajectory one with more upside and long-term stability. Wilson's decline was apparent, and sticking with him was a missed opportunity. Pittsburgh didn't just lose a quarterback; they lost a real shot at something better.

I hadn't really thought about it but your last point is true. Whether that be due to Wilson or a combination of things, PIT did not look good down the stretch. Fields could have given them a change of pace and maybe brought back that fire. Whatever it was, it was not working.

I also agree. I hope that has been clear from my posts.

My question is at what point does anyone think Tomlin should have benched Wilson?

To me that is a very difficult decision after he went 6-1 and had the offense performing very well.

 

[Drake Hater]

If Fields was better than Wilson he would have been playing. A story from a few weeks ago mentioned how upset Smith got with Wilson in that Cincy game when Russ was changing his plays and having success. Smith kaboshed that and the offense sank. Every "shoulda put Fields back in" argument comes across as wishful thinking, probably driven by the fact that Fields is the better QB for fantasy.

 

[Big Nate]

If Fields was better than Wilson he would have been playing. A story from a few weeks ago mentioned how upset Smith got with Wilson in that Cincy game when Russ was changing his plays and having success. Smith kaboshed that and the offense sank. Every "shoulda put Fields back in" argument comes across as wishful thinking, probably driven by the fact that Fields is the better QB for fantasy.

Arthur Smith has never been known as the passing attack guru - look how he failed getting the ball to his passing weapons in ATL. There is a lot of blame to go around in PIT.

 

[Drake Hater]

If Fields was better than Wilson he would have been playing. A story from a few weeks ago mentioned how upset Smith got with Wilson in that Cincy game when Russ was changing his plays and having success. Smith kaboshed that and the offense sank. Every "shoulda put Fields back in" argument comes across as wishful thinking, probably driven by the fact that Fields is the better QB for fantasy.

Arthur Smith has never been known as the passing attack guru - look how he failed getting the ball to his passing weapons in ATL. There is a lot of blame to go around in PIT.

I actually think they overachieved last season. Aging QB, below average line, mediocre receiving corps, and an injured Warren - they did great just making the playoffs.

 

[Big Nate]

If Fields was better than Wilson he would have been playing. A story from a few weeks ago mentioned how upset Smith got with Wilson in that Cincy game when Russ was changing his plays and having success. Smith kaboshed that and the offense sank. Every "shoulda put Fields back in" argument comes across as wishful thinking, probably driven by the fact that Fields is the better QB for fantasy.

Arthur Smith has never been known as the passing attack guru - look how he failed getting the ball to his passing weapons in ATL. There is a lot of blame to go around in PIT.

I actually think they overachieved last season. Aging QB, below average line, mediocre receiving corps, and an injured Warren - they did great just making the playoffs.

I do believe Tomlin gets the most out of his players. I don't always agree with his OC coaching hires but overall he manages players very very well. One of the best managers in the league.

 

[Mitchie]

Another example of people watching someone be great in college and just not accepting that they're not a very good NFL QB.

 

[menobrown]

Another example of people watching someone be great in college and just not accepting that they're not a very good NFL QB.

Maybe but I've long thought it was more of a case of someone being really awesome in fantasy football and people can't accept it does not mean they are actually a very good NFL QB.

 

[Mitchie]

Another example of people watching someone be great in college and just not accepting that they're not a very good NFL QB.

Maybe but I've long thought it was more of a case of someone being really awesome in fantasy football and people can't accept it does not mean they are actually a very good NFL QB.

That too

 

[farfromforgotten]

Another example of people watching someone be great in college and just not accepting that they're not a very good NFL QB.

Maybe but I've long thought it was more of a case of someone being really awesome in fantasy football and people can't accept it does not mean they are actually a very good NFL QB.

Which is all that the majority of posters on this site care about, as long as he isn’t the starter for your favorite NFL team. Nothing wrong with that.

Anyway, to the comment you quoted. What I find interesting is that NFL teams must see something if he is going to get the chance to start for a third different franchise, no? I wasn’t sure if Mitchie was referring to fans only or franchises as well. I was trying to think of how common (or uncommon) that is. We’ve seen young QBs shine in the College game and underperform in the NFL and quickly get relegated to backup duty for a while before maybe getting another chance down the road, or just be out of the league all together.

 

[Mitchie]

Another example of people watching someone be great in college and just not accepting that they're not a very good NFL QB.

Maybe but I've long thought it was more of a case of someone being really awesome in fantasy football and people can't accept it does not mean they are actually a very good NFL QB.

Which is all that the majority of posters on this site care about, as long as he isn’t the starter for your favorite NFL team. Nothing wrong with that.

Anyway, to the comment you quoted. What I find interesting is that NFL teams must see something if he is going to get the chance to start for a third different franchise, no? I wasn’t sure if Mitchie was referring to fans only or franchises as well. I was trying to think of how common (or uncommon) that is. We’ve seen young QBs shine in the College game and underperform in the NFL and quickly get relegated to backup duty for a while before maybe getting another chance down the road, or just be out of the league all together.

Well was drafted in 1st round by Chicago so obv. was going to start for them, he only started for Pitt b/c Russ was injured to start the season and now the Jets who didn't really have many options. Not even saying he's terrible, just seems to have an unwarranted fan following, and media too.

 

[menobrown]

What I find interesting is that NFL teams must see something if he is going to get the chance to start for a third different franchise, no?

I'm not so sure I see a guy entering his 6th season as that being much of a positive to hang your hat on. I mean it means someone thinks he's the best option they got it but it's not exactly a positive in my book.

 

[Ray Barboni]

What I find interesting is that NFL teams must see something if he is going to get the chance to start for a third different franchise, no?

I'm not so sure I see a guy entering his 6th season as that being much of a positive to hang your hat on. I mean it means someone thinks he's the best option they got it but it's not exactly a positive in my book.

Fields is great for fantasy. IRL? Maybe not, but I also believe he’s got enough in him to still improve as an NFL QB.

Aaron Glenn is going to put him in a position to succeed - something that he hasn’t had, anywhere he’s been.

 

[menobrown]

What I find interesting is that NFL teams must see something if he is going to get the chance to start for a third different franchise, no?

I'm not so sure I see a guy entering his 6th season as that being much of a positive to hang your hat on. I mean it means someone thinks he's the best option they got it but it's not exactly a positive in my book.

Fields is great for fantasy. IRL? Maybe not, but I also believe he’s got enough in him to still improve as an NFL QB.

Aaron Glenn is going to put him in a position to succeed - something that he hasn’t had, anywhere he’s been.

Agree he’s good to maybe even great for fantasy.

Rejecting idea he’s not been set up for success or that the setup is the reason he’s not performed well. His main issue is he’s a slow processor and I think that’s solely on him and I’m not expecting improvement. Have not seen any.

Likeable guy, good arm talent, great athlete. But his internal clock is off and I think he throws the entire rhythm of an offense off with it.

 

[barackdhouse]

Another example of people watching someone be great in college and just not accepting that they're not a very good NFL QB.

Maybe but I've long thought it was more of a case of someone being really awesome in fantasy football and people can't accept it does not mean they are actually a very good NFL QB.

He hasn't really even been that awesome in fantasy football, frankly. He's had his blowup games and he's had games where his rushing kept him chalky, but otherwise no consistency. "Better for best ball"

I don't think he is a very good NFL QB. I think he is a good NFL QB, which puts him something roughly like #20-26 in the league if we're just ranking on quality - not sure how to do that but point is 20s is nothing special and is usually on it's path to being washed out. He is absolutely at risk of that. And I agree with your comment above that his processing speed is his main problem AND that it is on him and nobody else. I've seen improvement in that one trait each year though. Problem is he was starting from a place of being atrocious to now being slightly less than average. Which might as well be atrocious but nevertheless I'm telling you he looks better in this regard. But he needs to get better than average or he might not make it thru 2025 as a starter and if that happens he probably doesn't get another shot except as a backup.

Just a note he is only going into his 5th season not 6th.

I do believe he has room to grow, just turned 26, but to be clear I think that processing problem is absolutely a fatal flaw if he doesn't take another step. I am saying he is improving but he is still less than average, so not exactly a ringing endorsement. But yes I'm a homer and a believer.

 

[osubuckeyeman]

Another example of people watching someone be great in college and just not accepting that they're not a very good NFL QB.

Maybe but I've long thought it was more of a case of someone being really awesome in fantasy football and people can't accept it does not mean they are actually a very good NFL QB.

He hasn't really even been that awesome in fantasy football, frankly. He's had his blowup games and he's had games where his rushing kept him chalky, but otherwise no consistency. "Better for best ball"

I don't think he is a very good NFL QB. I think he is a good NFL QB, which puts him something roughly like #20-26 in the league if we're just ranking on quality - not sure how to do that but point is 20s is nothing special and is usually on it's path to being washed out. He is absolutely at risk of that. And I agree with your comment above that his processing speed is his main problem AND that it is on him and nobody else. I've seen improvement in that one trait each year though. Problem is he was starting from a place of being atrocious to now being slightly less than average. Which might as well be atrocious but nevertheless I'm telling you he looks better in this regard. But he needs to get better than average or he might not make it thru 2025 as a starter and if that happens he probably doesn't get another shot except as a backup.

Just a note he is only going into his 5th season not 6th.

I do believe he has room to grow, just turned 26, but to be clear I think that processing problem is absolutely a fatal flaw if he doesn't take another step. I am saying he is improving but he is still less than average, so not exactly a ringing endorsement. But yes I'm a homer and a believer.

My primary concern has always been his throwing motion and the technique of arm mechanics in his throwing motions. This is why he is better out of the pocket. He brings the ball down way too much before throwing, and he has a short giddy-up in his delivery, which leads to many knocked-down balls at the line of scrimmage. In college, he processed fine. I know the NFL is a different speed, but I do not think processing is his issue. There is plenty of tape available showing him going through multiple reads. The arm strength is not a concern at all. He can rip it. I think he needs a good offensive line and good weapons. The Jets might be the best of those two things he has ever had.

 

[Drake Hater]

What I find interesting is that NFL teams must see something if he is going to get the chance to start for a third different franchise, no?

I'm not so sure I see a guy entering his 6th season as that being much of a positive to hang your hat on. I mean it means someone thinks he's the best option they got it but it's not exactly a positive in my book.

If the Jets really are interested in Cousins then they may not be feeling Fields is the best option either. At least not yet.

 

[N Zone]

Another example of people watching someone be great in college and just not accepting that they're not a very good NFL QB.

Maybe but I've long thought it was more of a case of someone being really awesome in fantasy football and people can't accept it does not mean they are actually a very good NFL QB.

The Jets hired a new coach. He got rid of Aaron Rodgers and replaced him with Justin Fields. Let that sink in. That's an NFL teams decision so completely unrelated to fantasy football.

 

[menobrown]

Another example of people watching someone be great in college and just not accepting that they're not a very good NFL QB.

Maybe but I've long thought it was more of a case of someone being really awesome in fantasy football and people can't accept it does not mean they are actually a very good NFL QB.

The Jets hired a new coach. He got rid of Aaron Rodgers and replaced him with Justin Fields. Let that sink in. That's an NFL teams decision so completely unrelated to fantasy football.

Fields was available last year and got little interest.

He was available this year in a QB starved market and interest in him was very very minor.

Jet's moving on from Rodgers was a lot more then a football decision.

Steeler's think Rodgers is an upgrade.

Marinate on that.

 

[Chaka]

Another example of people watching someone be great in college and just not accepting that they're not a very good NFL QB.

Maybe but I've long thought it was more of a case of someone being really awesome in fantasy football and people can't accept it does not mean they are actually a very good NFL QB.

The Jets hired a new coach. He got rid of Aaron Rodgers and replaced him with Justin Fields. Let that sink in. That's an NFL teams decision so completely unrelated to fantasy football.

Fields was available last year and got little interest.

He was available this year in a QB starved market and interest in him was very very minor.

Jet's moving on from Rodgers was a lot more then a football decision.

Steeler's think Rodgers is an upgrade.

Marinate on that.

Feels more like an "in case of emergency, break glass situation."

And they haven't broken the glass yet.

 

[osubuckeyeman]

Another example of people watching someone be great in college and just not accepting that they're not a very good NFL QB.

Maybe but I've long thought it was more of a case of someone being really awesome in fantasy football and people can't accept it does not mean they are actually a very good NFL QB.

The Jets hired a new coach. He got rid of Aaron Rodgers and replaced him with Justin Fields. Let that sink in. That's an NFL teams decision so completely unrelated to fantasy football.

Fields was available last year and got little interest.

He was available this year in a QB starved market and interest in him was very very minor.

Jet's moving on from Rodgers was a lot more then a football decision.

Steeler's think Rodgers is an upgrade.

Marinate on that.

I'm not sure I would point to the Steelers as stellar quarterback decision-makers.

 

[menobrown]

Another example of people watching someone be great in college and just not accepting that they're not a very good NFL QB.

Maybe but I've long thought it was more of a case of someone being really awesome in fantasy football and people can't accept it does not mean they are actually a very good NFL QB.

The Jets hired a new coach. He got rid of Aaron Rodgers and replaced him with Justin Fields. Let that sink in. That's an NFL teams decision so completely unrelated to fantasy football.

Fields was available last year and got little interest.

He was available this year in a QB starved market and interest in him was very very minor.

Jet's moving on from Rodgers was a lot more then a football decision.

Steeler's think Rodgers is an upgrade.

Marinate on that.

I'm not sure I would point to the Steelers as stellar quarterback decision-makers.

Other then reaching for Pickett can you elaborate on the bad decisions they’ve made at QB in the last 20 or so years?


As this relates to Fields this is is not a Steelers thing. They’ve shown more interest in him the last 2 years than almost every team in the league.

 

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Post-Roethlisberger uncertainty: The team cycled through Mason Rudolph, Mitch Trubisky, and Pickett without a clear plan

Russell Wilson & Justin Fields experiment: The Steelers brought in both quarterbacks, but the offense stalled, leading to another offseason of uncertainty. Now both are gone.

Justin Fields' struggles: Fields later admitted he felt uncomfortable in Pittsburgh, raising concerns about the team's ability to develop QBs. The Russell Wilson changing plays gate.

Aaron Rodgers speculation: The Steelers waited for Rodgers to make a decision, leaving them in limbo while other teams secured their QB plans. Aaron is just jerking them around so that he can skip minicamp and potentially sign elsewhere. The dude is older than mummy dust.

 

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Another example of people watching someone be great in college and just not accepting that they're not a very good NFL QB.

Maybe but I've long thought it was more of a case of someone being really awesome in fantasy football and people can't accept it does not mean they are actually a very good NFL QB.

The Jets hired a new coach. He got rid of Aaron Rodgers and replaced him with Justin Fields. Let that sink in. That's an NFL teams decision so completely unrelated to fantasy football.

Fields was available last year and got little interest.

He was available this year in a QB starved market and interest in him was very very minor.

Jet's moving on from Rodgers was a lot more then a football decision.

Steeler's think Rodgers is an upgrade.

Marinate on that.

I'm not sure I would point to the Steelers as stellar quarterback decision-makers.

Other then reaching for Pickett can you elaborate on the bad decisions they’ve made at QB in the last 20 or so years?


As this relates to Fields this is is not a Steelers thing. They’ve shown more interest in him the last 2 years than almost every team in the league.

Sure,

Not having a plan and preparing for Big Ben's drop off, it was pretty clear to many, but they seemed to cater to Ben's feelings on drafting his replacement. The whole Russ and Justin debacle this season. Signing both and letting them both go again, showing no real plan. They don't know what Rodgers will do, and did not know that when they let Fields and Wilson walk. They drafted Will with a late 6th-round pick, so surely Will is not their plan. Not taking action is a plan to fail at not having a plan. They still do not have a plan. Going with a 41-year-old quarterback is a bad plan, even if he succeeds, it still is bad because you are right back to not having a plan next February. Pickett was their best move. That shows they tried. I do not blame them that much for Pickett. Stuff happens. I get it, but the position has had zero direction, so I would not go to Pittsburgh for quarterback advice.

And if Rodgers retires or goes elsewhere Will Howard or signing someone else has to be the plan I guess?

 

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First of all if you anyone is saying the Steelers can't evaluate QB's as a positive for Fields I'd be a little careful with what you are saying. When Fields was available in the 2024 off-season it's the Steelers who traded for him when we all know his cost was not a lot. When Fields hit FA this past off-season it's extremely likely the Steelers offered Fields the second best contract. You get what I'm saying?

Not having a plan and preparing for Big Ben's drop off, it was pretty clear to many, but they seemed to cater to Ben's feelings on drafting his replacement.

I've asked this before and to me it's just to easy saying stuff like you are saying here. I'd ask you to examine where they were in the process during Ben's last few years, which was trying to win while they still had him. And relative to where their draft picks were what exactly were you thinking they should have done? To be more precise where do you think, other then the Pickett pick, where they failed to evaluate a QB and it cost them their QB of the future?

The whole Russ and Justin debacle this season. Signing both and letting them both go again, showing no real plan.

I'm on record as already saying how they handled the QB room last off-season, what you say is a debacle, deserves an A+. Just wanted to make that point I'm not saying it in relation to what you are saying.

Where they drafted last year they were not in a position to obtain a QB. For a 6th round pick and about $6m they got competent level QB play. What really makes that A+ grade to me is they turned that into a third and 5th round comp pick. So no they did not get their QB of the future but that guy can't be created out of thin air and where they drafted it was just not feasible so they did the next best thing you do and they did it very well.

hey don't know what Rodgers will do, and did not know that when they let Fields and Wilson walk.

I think they have always known Rodgers will be joining them.

They still do not have a plan. Going with a 41-year-old quarterback is a bad plan, even if he succeeds, it still is bad because you are right back to not having a plan next February.

Again what is the magical plan you think they should have to get a QB of the future when you constantly draft late? The only answers anyone ever seems to have for this is to tank or spend a haul trading up, like that does not have it's massive pitfalls and it takes so much to move up from where they draft. Any other answer is most likely to be after the fact stuff, like they should have known to draft Purdy before letting him be Mr. Irrelevant. I asked this question a lot and feel like I got one valid answer, with someone saying they were vocal that the Steelers should have drafted Hurts. For the most part IMO the notion the Steelers have failed as an organization to identify and obtain their QB of the future is something that sounds good except hardly anyone ever seems to have a feasible answer for what they should have done.

The QB class could be deep next year. Rodgers can get them through this one, like the other two did last year, and then re-asses where they stand next off-season. That's smart business to me.

 

[osubuckeyeman]

First of all if you anyone is saying the Steelers can't evaluate QB's as a positive for Fields I'd be a little careful with what you are saying. When Fields was available in the 2024 off-season it's the Steelers who traded for him when we all know his cost was not a lot. When Fields hit FA this past off-season it's extremely likely the Steelers offered Fields the second best contract. You get what I'm saying?

Not having a plan and preparing for Big Ben's drop off, it was pretty clear to many, but they seemed to cater to Ben's feelings on drafting his replacement.

I've asked this before and to me it's just to easy saying stuff like you are saying here. I'd ask you to examine where they were in the process during Ben's last few years, which was trying to win while they still had him. And relative to where their draft picks were what exactly were you thinking they should have done? To be more precise where do you think, other then the Pickett pick, where they failed to evaluate a QB and it cost them their QB of the future?

The whole Russ and Justin debacle this season. Signing both and letting them both go again, showing no real plan.

I'm on record as already saying how they handled the QB room last off-season, what you say is a debacle, deserves an A+. Just wanted to make that point I'm not saying it in relation to what you are saying.

Where they drafted last year they were not in a position to obtain a QB. For a 6th round pick and about $6m they got competent level QB play. What really makes that A+ grade to me is they turned that into a third and 5th round comp pick. So no they did not get their QB of the future but that guy can't be created out of thin air and where they drafted it was just not feasible so they did the next best thing you do and they did it very well.

hey don't know what Rodgers will do, and did not know that when they let Fields and Wilson walk.

I think they have always known Rodgers will be joining them.

They still do not have a plan. Going with a 41-year-old quarterback is a bad plan, even if he succeeds, it still is bad because you are right back to not having a plan next February.

Again what is the magical plan you think they should have to get a QB of the future when you constantly draft late? The only answers anyone ever seems to have for this is to tank or spend a haul trading up, like that does not have it's massive pitfalls and it takes so much to move up from where they draft. Any other answer is most likely to be after the fact stuff, like they should have known to draft Purdy before letting him be Mr. Irrelevant. I asked this question a lot and feel like I got one valid answer, with someone saying they were vocal that the Steelers should have drafted Hurts. For the most part IMO the notion the Steelers have failed as an organization to identify and obtain their QB of the future is something that sounds good except hardly anyone ever seems to have a feasible answer for what they should have done.

The QB class could be deep next year. Rodgers can get them through this one, like the other two did last year, and then re-asses where they stand next off-season. That's smart business to me.

No,

What I said was that I would not go to Pittsburgh for quarterback advice.