QB Justin Fields, NYJ (1 Viewer)

[osubuckeyeman]

First of all if you anyone is saying the Steelers can't evaluate QB's as a positive for Fields I'd be a little careful with what you are saying. When Fields was available in the 2024 off-season it's the Steelers who traded for him when we all know his cost was not a lot. When Fields hit FA this past off-season it's extremely likely the Steelers offered Fields the second best contract. You get what I'm saying?

Not having a plan and preparing for Big Ben's drop off, it was pretty clear to many, but they seemed to cater to Ben's feelings on drafting his replacement.

I've asked this before and to me it's just to easy saying stuff like you are saying here. I'd ask you to examine where they were in the process during Ben's last few years, which was trying to win while they still had him. And relative to where their draft picks were what exactly were you thinking they should have done? To be more precise where do you think, other then the Pickett pick, where they failed to evaluate a QB and it cost them their QB of the future?

The whole Russ and Justin debacle this season. Signing both and letting them both go again, showing no real plan.

I'm on record as already saying how they handled the QB room last off-season, what you say is a debacle, deserves an A+. Just wanted to make that point I'm not saying it in relation to what you are saying.

Where they drafted last year they were not in a position to obtain a QB. For a 6th round pick and about $6m they got competent level QB play. What really makes that A+ grade to me is they turned that into a third and 5th round comp pick. So no they did not get their QB of the future but that guy can't be created out of thin air and where they drafted it was just not feasible so they did the next best thing you do and they did it very well.

hey don't know what Rodgers will do, and did not know that when they let Fields and Wilson walk.

I think they have always known Rodgers will be joining them.

They still do not have a plan. Going with a 41-year-old quarterback is a bad plan, even if he succeeds, it still is bad because you are right back to not having a plan next February.

Again what is the magical plan you think they should have to get a QB of the future when you constantly draft late? The only answers anyone ever seems to have for this is to tank or spend a haul trading up, like that does not have it's massive pitfalls and it takes so much to move up from where they draft. Any other answer is most likely to be after the fact stuff, like they should have known to draft Purdy before letting him be Mr. Irrelevant. I asked this question a lot and feel like I got one valid answer, with someone saying they were vocal that the Steelers should have drafted Hurts. For the most part IMO the notion the Steelers have failed as an organization to identify and obtain their QB of the future is something that sounds good except hardly anyone ever seems to have a feasible answer for what they should have done.

The QB class could be deep next year. Rodgers can get them through this one, like the other two did last year, and then re-asses where they stand next off-season. That's smart business to me.

I outlined exactly what I would have done in the Aaron Rodgers post for the last two years. As far as Big Ben, I am also on record long before Pickett stating they need to draft a quarterback, and you can look that up if you want. I'm surely not going back that far to look at my posts from years ago, but they are there if you would like to search them. My guess is it will be in the Ben posts or Steeler posts. I don't doubt they know that Rodgers plans to sign with them, which is great; however, plans can and do change if Rodgers changes his mind, and he could change his mind in the right circumstance, they are in a terrible position. As an organization, no plan is a plan. Unless they plan to roll with what they have if Rodgers does not sign, AND I 100% THINK HE WILL, but stranger things have happened.

So, look at the Aaron Rodgers post to know what I would have done in the past two years, including the 2025 draft. You can search all my posts if you like. I'm sure you will find some posts regarding the Steelers' need to plan for Big Ben hanging them up, or catering to his feelings of not wanting any competition. I was pretty vocal about that subject, even though I liked Big Ben quite a bit, and he was on my dynasty team for a long time. My critique of the Steelers then and now is that they waited too long. They waited until his talent passed him, and then it was over.

The way the rookie scale is right now, they can still have done what I advised them to do in Aaron Rodgers' post, and still draft a quarterback in 2026 if needed, which I indicated that would be okay.

You think they did smart business in their decision-making at the quarterback position. I disagree and can post all day why and how I think they have not. It is okay; we disagree.
If I'm wrong about how you feel, I'm sorry. I do not want to assume that's what you think, but for the context of this post, I will assume that. I'm having a beer and enjoying the beautiful day. I hope you do as well.

 

[barackdhouse]

First of all if you anyone is saying the Steelers can't evaluate QB's as a positive for Fields I'd be a little careful with what you are saying. When Fields was available in the 2024 off-season it's the Steelers who traded for him when we all know his cost was not a lot. When Fields hit FA this past off-season it's extremely likely the Steelers offered Fields the second best contract. You get what I'm saying?

Not having a plan and preparing for Big Ben's drop off, it was pretty clear to many, but they seemed to cater to Ben's feelings on drafting his replacement.

I've asked this before and to me it's just to easy saying stuff like you are saying here. I'd ask you to examine where they were in the process during Ben's last few years, which was trying to win while they still had him. And relative to where their draft picks were what exactly were you thinking they should have done? To be more precise where do you think, other then the Pickett pick, where they failed to evaluate a QB and it cost them their QB of the future?

The whole Russ and Justin debacle this season. Signing both and letting them both go again, showing no real plan.

I'm on record as already saying how they handled the QB room last off-season, what you say is a debacle, deserves an A+. Just wanted to make that point I'm not saying it in relation to what you are saying.

Where they drafted last year they were not in a position to obtain a QB. For a 6th round pick and about $6m they got competent level QB play. What really makes that A+ grade to me is they turned that into a third and 5th round comp pick. So no they did not get their QB of the future but that guy can't be created out of thin air and where they drafted it was just not feasible so they did the next best thing you do and they did it very well.

hey don't know what Rodgers will do, and did not know that when they let Fields and Wilson walk.

I think they have always known Rodgers will be joining them.

They still do not have a plan. Going with a 41-year-old quarterback is a bad plan, even if he succeeds, it still is bad because you are right back to not having a plan next February.

Again what is the magical plan you think they should have to get a QB of the future when you constantly draft late? The only answers anyone ever seems to have for this is to tank or spend a haul trading up, like that does not have it's massive pitfalls and it takes so much to move up from where they draft. Any other answer is most likely to be after the fact stuff, like they should have known to draft Purdy before letting him be Mr. Irrelevant. I asked this question a lot and feel like I got one valid answer, with someone saying they were vocal that the Steelers should have drafted Hurts. For the most part IMO the notion the Steelers have failed as an organization to identify and obtain their QB of the future is something that sounds good except hardly anyone ever seems to have a feasible answer for what they should have done.

The QB class could be deep next year. Rodgers can get them through this one, like the other two did last year, and then re-asses where they stand next off-season. That's smart business to me.

Meno, a quick AND statement to add to your argument re:Steelers evaluating and having a plan for the QB position:

Every NFL team sucks at this. It's really hard to get right. And good QBs don't just grow on trees. They've only been without Big Ben for like a minute in the big picture.

 

[osubuckeyeman]

Again what is the magical plan you think they should have to get a QB of the future when you constantly draft late? The only answers anyone ever seems to have for this is to tank or spend a haul trading up, like that does not have it's massive pitfalls and it takes so much to move up from where they draft. Any other answer is most likely to be after the fact stuff, like they should have known to draft Purdy before letting him be Mr. Irrelevant. I asked this question a lot and feel like I got one valid answer, with someone saying they were vocal that the Steelers should have drafted Hurts. For the most part IMO the notion the Steelers have failed as an organization to identify and obtain their QB of the future is something that sounds good except hardly anyone ever seems to have a feasible answer for what they should have done.

The QB class could be deep next year. Rodgers can get them through this one, like the other two did last year, and then re-asses where they stand next off-season. That's smart business to me.

For me, it would have depended on the Wilson and Fields plan from last year. I would have signed one of them. More than likely, that is Wilson because you already gave Fields a reason not to sign. That also was something I would not have done. Since the Steelers were winning, I would have stuck with Fields, but you made your call and went with Wilson. I would resign Wilson and use the 21st pick on Dart or Milroe. I like Dart, and I like Milroe in that range. I like the idea of a mobile QB in today's NFL. I like the RPO option, stressing the defense, gaining a one-man advantage at the line of scrimmage, and helping the rushing game for the same reason. There, of course, is a lot I do not know. The salary cap situation affects other contracts for other players' future and present, but I think the Steelers can afford the rookie deal sitting at 21, and Wilson may cost you a 10-15 million range. If both Dart and Milroe are gone, it is Wilson and the rest for 2025. And we draw something new up for 2026, which might have a better class at QB. Should Wilson not want to sign, then you still roll with the draft plan and sign another free agent QB, or roll with the rookie and Rudolph and the rest.



I like Fields much more than Wilson at this point in their careers, so things would have been very different with me from last season. For this post, I'm going to say we would have signed Wilson because I don't think Fields intended to sign with the Steelers, no matter what, and I would have used the 21st overall pick on Dart or Milore. We would have Wilson and (Dart/Milroe)/Rudolph/Thompson as the decision maker going into camp. And since Dart was there, it would be Dart. Going into the draft with Wilson already signed, this would have been my directive. If I'm completely fair, I may have even moved up some to get Dart or Milore. I would not have gone nuts, though, since I figured one of them would have been there, should one of them have gone before 21, then I would have been working the phones to move up and get Dart or Milore. Getting one of them would have been key, though.


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[menobrown]

Again what is the magical plan you think they should have to get a QB of the future when you constantly draft late? The only answers anyone ever seems to have for this is to tank or spend a haul trading up, like that does not have it's massive pitfalls and it takes so much to move up from where they draft. Any other answer is most likely to be after the fact stuff, like they should have known to draft Purdy before letting him be Mr. Irrelevant. I asked this question a lot and feel like I got one valid answer, with someone saying they were vocal that the Steelers should have drafted Hurts. For the most part IMO the notion the Steelers have failed as an organization to identify and obtain their QB of the future is something that sounds good except hardly anyone ever seems to have a feasible answer for what they should have done.

The QB class could be deep next year. Rodgers can get them through this one, like the other two did last year, and then re-asses where they stand next off-season. That's smart business to me.

For me, it would have depended on the Wilson and Fields plan from last year. I would have signed one of them. More than likely, that is Wilson because you already gave Fields a reason not to sign. That also was something I would not have done. Since the Steelers were winning, I would have stuck with Fields, but you made your call and went with Wilson. I would resign Wilson and use the 21st pick on Dart or Milroe. I like Dart, and I like Milroe in that range. I like the idea of a mobile QB in today's NFL. I like the RPO option, stressing the defense, gaining a one-man advantage at the line of scrimmage, and helping the rushing game for the same reason. There, of course, is a lot I do not know. The salary cap situation affects other contracts for other players' future and present, but I think the Steelers can afford the rookie deal sitting at 21, and Wilson may cost you a 10-15 million range. If both Dart and Milroe are gone, it is Wilson and the rest for 2025. And we draw something new up for 2026, which might have a better class at QB. Should Wilson not want to sign, then you still roll with the draft plan and sign another free agent QB, or roll with the rookie and Rudolph and the rest.



I like Fields much more than Wilson at this point in their careers, so things would have been very different with me from last season. For this post, I'm going to say we would have signed Wilson because I don't think Fields intended to sign with the Steelers, no matter what, and I would have used the 21st overall pick on Dart or Milore. We would have Wilson and (Dart/Milroe)/Rudolph/Thompson as the decision maker going into camp. And since Dart was there, it would be Dart. Going into the draft with Wilson already signed, this would have been my directive. If I'm completely fair, I may have even moved up some to get Dart or Milore. I would not have gone nuts, though, since I figured one of them would have been there, should one of them have gone before 21, then I would have been working the phones to move up and get Dart or Milore. Getting one of them would have been key, though.


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Thanks for the reply.

With all due respect I don't like your solutions very much. Dart's only one that even seems like he'd be part of the possible long term solution and I think if Rodgers had not already let the Giants know he'd not be coming to them they'd have rather just signed Rodgers. Harmon, for the where the Steelers are right now, was the exact call I'd have made.

Getting this back to Fields. The main reason I even ever comment in this thread lately is I'm got a little tired of some of my fellow Steeler fans lamenting not trying overly hard to sign Fields. Like we lost something of value, the answer to the long term QB solution or something.

Last thing I'll say about to those who think Fields is the answer and/or the Steelers blew it.

Barack posted a few days ago he considered Fields in the QB- 20-26 range. That's reasonable, I'd be more in the QB 25 range but all in all reasonable. The NFL is telling us what they think of him. He's the 21sts paid QB in the league right now. Depending on if Daniel Jones or Wilson/Winston win the starting job he'll be the lowest paid starting QB in the league who is not on his rookie contract. If that's your starting QB you did not solve the answer of who is your starting QB, you are still looking for that guy.

 

[sm8680]

menobrown I really appreciate your perspective and the depth you bring to this conversation. I totally get where you're coming from regarding Field there's certainly no universal agreement on his ceiling, and it's fair to say that the NFL's valuation of him speaks volumes. The Steelers opting not to push harder for him could very well indicate they didn’t see him as the definitive answer.

That said, I still lean toward the idea that Fields would have been a better long-term option than Wilson and Rodgers. Both veterans bring leadership and experience, but they also carry age related concern. Rodgers with injuries and Wilson struggling to reclaim his prime form. Fields, while still developing, offers mobility, youth, and potential upside. Sure, he’s not yet cemented as a franchise QB, but given the right system and coaching, he might have been worth the risk in a league that increasingly values athleticism at the position.

At the end of the day, I think this comes down to a philosophical difference in team building. Some prefer known commodities to stabilize the present, while others take calculated gambles in pursuit of long-term stability. I respect your stance on Harmon being the right call for where the Steelers are right now. I just happen to feel they could have afforded to bet bigger on Fields.

 

[osubuckeyeman]

Again what is the magical plan you think they should have to get a QB of the future when you constantly draft late? The only answers anyone ever seems to have for this is to tank or spend a haul trading up, like that does not have it's massive pitfalls and it takes so much to move up from where they draft. Any other answer is most likely to be after the fact stuff, like they should have known to draft Purdy before letting him be Mr. Irrelevant. I asked this question a lot and feel like I got one valid answer, with someone saying they were vocal that the Steelers should have drafted Hurts. For the most part IMO the notion the Steelers have failed as an organization to identify and obtain their QB of the future is something that sounds good except hardly anyone ever seems to have a feasible answer for what they should have done.

The QB class could be deep next year. Rodgers can get them through this one, like the other two did last year, and then re-asses where they stand next off-season. That's smart business to me.

For me, it would have depended on the Wilson and Fields plan from last year. I would have signed one of them. More than likely, that is Wilson because you already gave Fields a reason not to sign. That also was something I would not have done. Since the Steelers were winning, I would have stuck with Fields, but you made your call and went with Wilson. I would resign Wilson and use the 21st pick on Dart or Milroe. I like Dart, and I like Milroe in that range. I like the idea of a mobile QB in today's NFL. I like the RPO option, stressing the defense, gaining a one-man advantage at the line of scrimmage, and helping the rushing game for the same reason. There, of course, is a lot I do not know. The salary cap situation affects other contracts for other players' future and present, but I think the Steelers can afford the rookie deal sitting at 21, and Wilson may cost you a 10-15 million range. If both Dart and Milroe are gone, it is Wilson and the rest for 2025. And we draw something new up for 2026, which might have a better class at QB. Should Wilson not want to sign, then you still roll with the draft plan and sign another free agent QB, or roll with the rookie and Rudolph and the rest.



I like Fields much more than Wilson at this point in their careers, so things would have been very different with me from last season. For this post, I'm going to say we would have signed Wilson because I don't think Fields intended to sign with the Steelers, no matter what, and I would have used the 21st overall pick on Dart or Milore. We would have Wilson and (Dart/Milroe)/Rudolph/Thompson as the decision maker going into camp. And since Dart was there, it would be Dart. Going into the draft with Wilson already signed, this would have been my directive. If I'm completely fair, I may have even moved up some to get Dart or Milore. I would not have gone nuts, though, since I figured one of them would have been there, should one of them have gone before 21, then I would have been working the phones to move up and get Dart or Milore. Getting one of them would have been key, though.


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Thanks for the reply.

With all due respect I don't like your solutions very much. Dart's only one that even seems like he'd be part of the possible long term solution and I think if Rodgers had not already let the Giants know he'd not be coming to them they'd have rather just signed Rodgers. Harmon, for the where the Steelers are right now, was the exact call I'd have made.

Getting this back to Fields. The main reason I even ever comment in this thread lately is I'm got a little tired of some of my fellow Steeler fans lamenting not trying overly hard to sign Fields. Like we lost something of value, the answer to the long term QB solution or something.

Last thing I'll say about to those who think Fields is the answer and/or the Steelers blew it.

Barack posted a few days ago he considered Fields in the QB- 20-26 range. That's reasonable, I'd be more in the QB 25 range but all in all reasonable. The NFL is telling us what they think of him. He's the 21sts paid QB in the league right now. Depending on if Daniel Jones or Wilson/Winston win the starting job he'll be the lowest paid starting QB in the league who is not on his rookie contract. If that's your starting QB you did not solve the answer of who is your starting QB, you are still looking for that guy.

If my plan did not work out, you're most likely looking at drafting a lot higher in 2026, which could happen, or Dart/Milroe could have been the future. You have to take swings at the position because you are not winning in the NFL if you don't have a quarterback. Keep swinging until you get one who is not 41. I watched the Bengals keep a middle-tier quarterback for years, winning just enough to have a draft pick from 15 to 25. We called it the Dalton line for a reason, and many people did. I like Andy Dalton; he is a great guy, but he was never going to get us to a Super Bowl. The Fields debate does not matter anymore since he is a Jet. Justin Fields will get his opportunity now. And we will all get to see what happens. He has Garrett Wiislon, and I would like them to sign Keenan Allen or Amari Cooper and add some depth to the Jets' wide receivers. He has a pretty good running back in Hall. The offensive line is decent or getting there. The defense is okay and getting some new pieces. The Fields question will be answered in New York/New Jersey.

One last thing about the Steelers quarterback debate: Aaron Rodgers makes a lot more sense if you think you are just a quarterback away from getting a shot at the Super Bowl. If you don't believe that, then I default to everything I said prior. If that is what they think, add Rodgers and shoot your shot. Go for the Super Bowl with Rodgers.

 

[Faust]

'I can be great,' QB Justin Fields says of fresh start with Jets

 

[Faust]

Nick Faria
“I’m happy to have him as my QB. He’s going to be a good player for us.”

Aaron Glenn on Justin Fields.

#Jets

https://x.com/nick_faria1720/status/1929965292924309614?s=61

 

[Bri]

Adrian Martinez is out learning out adapting Justin Fields. It's obvious in all the quotes.

I think all the 'Fields making same mistakes' stuff on the web now is to set him up to go home, put some work in, and show up to camp having fixed whatever issues and be ready to rock.

He better. They gave him the contract, the opportunity, the veteran mentor...Fields has to do his part now.
After being a backup last year, he got a rare gift to be handed a starting job again without earning it. He has to give back to the Jets for their faith in him and put the work in.

Tyrod and Martinez are good boys. He's gonna stand out like a sore thumb if he isn't doing all the yes coach stuff.

Week one of camp is going to be real big for Fields' future.