QB Justin Fields, NYJ (1 Viewer)

[osubuckeyeman]

and not everything that counts can be counted"

you must be talking about momentum....

Maybe he is talking about the locker room? Or maybe he is talking about the drama Caleb Williams can bring to the table. I'm sure we are going to hear a bunch about Caleb's Dad and whatnot leading up to the draft. I brought it up in an earlier post but Caleb Williams has no agent as of today. I think this is not being talked about enough and how if CW decides he will not be represented by an agent. How does this affect the process of drafting him? I know rookie picks are slotted but terms of rookie contracts can still be negotiated and there are some important details in rookie contracts. This can affect the player and the team that selects him.

 

[Gally]

and not everything that counts can be counted"

you must be talking about momentum....

Maybe he is talking about the locker room? Or maybe he is talking about the drama Caleb Williams can bring to the table. I'm sure we are going to hear a bunch about Caleb's Dad and whatnot leading up to the draft. I brought it up in an earlier post but Caleb Williams has no agent as of today. I think this is not being talked about enough and how if CW decides he will not be represented by an agent. How does this affect the process of drafting him? I know rookie picks are slotted but terms of rookie contracts can still be negotiated and there are some important details in rookie contracts. This can affect the player and the team that selects him.

I was just joking based on the other threads about how momentum can't be measured and whether or not it exists......

 

[-OZ-]

but Caleb Williams has no agent as of today. I think this is not being talked about enough and how if CW decides he will not be represented by an agent. How does this affect the process of drafting him?

Just call 1-800-LAM-AR$$

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

If they deal Fields, and he goes on to be a superstar with another team, and Williams ends up being Johnny Manziel II, it will be the most Bears thing imaginable.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

and not everything that counts can be counted"

you must be talking about momentum....

Maybe he is talking about the locker room? Or maybe he is talking about the drama Caleb Williams can bring to the table. I'm sure we are going to hear a bunch about Caleb's Dad and whatnot leading up to the draft. I brought it up in an earlier post but Caleb Williams has no agent as of today. I think this is not being talked about enough and how if CW decides he will not be represented by an agent. How does this affect the process of drafting him? I know rookie picks are slotted but terms of rookie contracts can still be negotiated and there are some important details in rookie contracts. This can affect the player and the team that selects him.

I don't think the agent thing is a big deal. There really aren't many substantially negotiable terms in the rookie contract. It's all scripted since the 2011 CBA. TBH, I don't understand what value agents bring to rookies anyway given the compensation is predetermined by draft #.

 

[osubuckeyeman]

and not everything that counts can be counted"

you must be talking about momentum....

Maybe he is talking about the locker room? Or maybe he is talking about the drama Caleb Williams can bring to the table. I'm sure we are going to hear a bunch about Caleb's Dad and whatnot leading up to the draft. I brought it up in an earlier post but Caleb Williams has no agent as of today. I think this is not being talked about enough and how if CW decides he will not be represented by an agent. How does this affect the process of drafting him? I know rookie picks are slotted but terms of rookie contracts can still be negotiated and there are some important details in rookie contracts. This can affect the player and the team that selects him.

I don't think the agent thing is a big deal. There really aren't many substantially negotiable terms in the rookie contract. It's all scripted since the 2011 CBA. TBH, I don't understand what value agents bring to rookies anyway given the compensation is predetermined by draft #.

Offset language is a big one. I know that caused Joey Bosa to sit out a bit longer than he should have. The Chargers would not move on anything though and that became a problem.

Payment payout schedule or signing bonus structure or schedule. I forget which one.

Voids are a big one. The actual language of the contract. The actual contract "money" is not one of those but there is still some important stuff agents do for rookie deals.

Selling your home for sale by owner sounds like a good idea till you try it.

 

[Faust]

If Bears trade Justin Fields, what are his best landing spots? (December 18, 2023)

3 Teams That Should Trade For Justin Fields

Justin Fields on the Trade Block? Here Are Three Teams That Make the Most Sense for Bears QB

 

[Mitchie]

If they deal Fields, and he goes on to be a superstar with another team, and Williams ends up being Johnny Manziel II, it will be the most Bears thing imaginable.

Sure but could say the same thing if they deal the #1 pick and Williams goes onto become the next Mahomes and Fields doesn't progress and is not a starter in 2 years.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

If they deal Fields, and he goes on to be a superstar with another team, and Williams ends up being Johnny Manziel II, it will be the most Bears thing imaginable.

Sure but could say the same thing if they deal the #1 pick and Williams goes onto become the next Mahomes and Fields doesn't progress and is not a starter in 2 years.

Given it’s the Bears, those are the only two possible outcomes.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Someone mentioned it earlier and it rings true. Who has the highest upside going forward?

 

[greenmountaingoat]

The only Bears game I watched this year was the game DJ Moore went off. Seems like they started clicking then injuries derailed the progress.

True enough, he’s not been good with reading the d and making quick decisions. But with any luck he can eventually see enough looks. By all accounts he studies film and works.

As a Patriots fan, I dream about MHJ, Fields, Higgins, Douglas and an Oline miracle. Two huge dominant outside receivers and a guy that can chuck it to good receivers. Thornton wind sprints, bring Henry back. Hell, sign King Henry to pair with Rhamondre.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

True enough, he’s not been good with reading the d and making quick decisions. But with any luck he can eventually see enough looks. By all accounts he studies film and works.

And behind a line that gave him very little time to make reads. That’s why the “doesn’t make his reads” narrative bugs me.

When he was allowed to run he certainly made quick decisions to scramble when no one was open - when he had shackles on, he’d get crushed by a collapsing pocket in a hurry.

Falcons, Pats, Steelers, Seahawks all make sense. Given the Raiders coaching hires they’re probably out of the picture.

 

[osubuckeyeman]

True enough, he’s not been good with reading the d and making quick decisions. But with any luck he can eventually see enough looks. By all accounts he studies film and works.

And behind a line that gave him very little time to make reads. That’s why the “doesn’t make his reads” narrative bugs me.

When he was allowed to run he certainly made quick decisions to scramble when no one was open - when he had shackles on, he’d get crushed by a collapsing pocket in a hurry.

Falcons, Pats, Steelers, Seahawks all make sense. Given the Raiders coaching hires they’re probably out of the picture.

All of those seem reasonable. Seattle would be interesting depending on who they hire as the new OC.

 

[travdogg]

And behind a line that gave him very little time to make reads. That’s why the “doesn’t make his reads” narrative bugs me.

When he was allowed to run he certainly made quick decisions to scramble when no one was open - when he had shackles on, he’d get crushed by a collapsing pocket in a hurry.

Falcons, Pats, Steelers, Seahawks all make sense. Given the Raiders coaching hires they’re probably out of the picture.

All of those seem reasonable. Seattle would be interesting depending on who they hire as the new OC.

I think Geno has a lot more job security than that. He's been really good for them, and I can't see them bringing in someone who is a real threat to his job that costs a lot draft capital wise. I could see them going after a cheaper reclamation project, like a Mac Jones or someone like that.

I don't know if Gesty rules out Fields to Vegas or makes it more likely. They made real strides down the stretch, and he already knows the offense, and its a better supporting cast.

Someone mentioned it earlier and it rings true. Who has the highest upside going forward?

I think its more complex than that. Its still Fields and probably three 1sts vs Williams and probably a 2nd. I am a Fields supporter, but I think Williams is clearly a better prospect, but I don't know if he's THAT much better of a prospect, because for that difference in capital, he needs to be a borderline top-5 NFL QB.

 

[osubuckeyeman]

And behind a line that gave him very little time to make reads. That’s why the “doesn’t make his reads” narrative bugs me.

When he was allowed to run he certainly made quick decisions to scramble when no one was open - when he had shackles on, he’d get crushed by a collapsing pocket in a hurry.

Falcons, Pats, Steelers, Seahawks all make sense. Given the Raiders coaching hires they’re probably out of the picture.

All of those seem reasonable. Seattle would be interesting depending on who they hire as the new OC.

I think Geno has a lot more job security than that. He's been really good for them, and I can't see them bringing in someone who is a real threat to his job that costs a lot draft capital wise. I could see them going after a cheaper reclamation project, like a Mac Jones or someone like that.

I don't know if Gesty rules out Fields to Vegas or makes it more likely. They made real strides down the stretch, and he already knows the offense, and its a better supporting cast.

Someone mentioned it earlier and it rings true. Who has the highest upside going forward?

I think its more complex than that. Its still Fields and probably three 1sts vs Williams and probably a 2nd. I am a Fields supporter, but I think Williams is clearly a better prospect, but I don't know if he's THAT much better of a prospect, because for that difference in capital, he needs to be a borderline top-5 NFL QB.

I would not mind him going to the Raiders. The relationship between Getsy and JF has had rumblings they did not see eye to eye and maybe some did not get along. It's why they did that staged hug-it-out photo. LOL. I would not mind seeing him in Vegas but I would be surprised to see that happen.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

And behind a line that gave him very little time to make reads. That’s why the “doesn’t make his reads” narrative bugs me.

When he was allowed to run he certainly made quick decisions to scramble when no one was open - when he had shackles on, he’d get crushed by a collapsing pocket in a hurry.

Falcons, Pats, Steelers, Seahawks all make sense. Given the Raiders coaching hires they’re probably out of the picture.

All of those seem reasonable. Seattle would be interesting depending on who they hire as the new OC.

I think Geno has a lot more job security than that. He's been really good for them, and I can't see them bringing in someone who is a real threat to his job that costs a lot draft capital wise. I could see them going after a cheaper reclamation project, like a Mac Jones or someone like that.

I don't know if Gesty rules out Fields to Vegas or makes it more likely. They made real strides down the stretch, and he already knows the offense, and its a better supporting cast.

Someone mentioned it earlier and it rings true. Who has the highest upside going forward?

I think its more complex than that. Its still Fields and probably three 1sts vs Williams and probably a 2nd. I am a Fields supporter, but I think Williams is clearly a better prospect, but I don't know if he's THAT much better of a prospect, because for that difference in capital, he needs to be a borderline top-5 NFL QB.

I would not mind him going to the Raiders. The relationship between Getsy and JF has had rumblings they did not see eye to eye and maybe some did not get along. It's why they did that staged hug-it-out photo. LOL. I would not mind seeing him in Vegas but I would be surprised to see that happen.

Fields to LVR isn't going to happen. Bank on that.

 

[Max Power]

The comments that kill me the most from the media is when they discuss Fields' next contract. On one hand they speculate he might demand 45-50 mil a year as a reason for the Bears to move on from him, then they proceed to say he's worth a second round pick.

If he's worth that big of a contract, he is worth more than a second round pick. The reality should be slotting him at 30-35mil a year. Does that change their equation in the vote to move on from him? Maybe not, but I wish they would be more realistic discussing his worth.

 

[sm8680]

I personally feel that Field's should stay with the Bears. Because Magic Johnson may have showed his cards when he hired Caleb Williams college coach to the be the OC for the commanders. Bear's maybe able to extort the Redskins.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I personally feel that Field's should stay with the Bears. Because Magic Johnson may have showed his cards when he hired Caleb Williams college coach to the be the OC for the commanders. Bear's maybe able to extort the Redskins.

Again, imagine how good Fields could be with MH2 & a bolstered OL. They’d get a haul of picks from WAS to make improvements on both sides of the ball.

Then they’d know if JF is worth a contract or not.

And if JF sucks and the bears suck, they’re perfectly set up for their next QB.

IMO this is their best path to success. Drafting Williams and hoping he’s Stroud while playing on a team full of holes isn’t exactly a slam dunk way to win.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

And behind a line that gave him very little time to make reads. That’s why the “doesn’t make his reads” narrative bugs me.

When he was allowed to run he certainly made quick decisions to scramble when no one was open - when he had shackles on, he’d get crushed by a collapsing pocket in a hurry.

Falcons, Pats, Steelers, Seahawks all make sense. Given the Raiders coaching hires they’re probably out of the picture.

All of those seem reasonable. Seattle would be interesting depending on who they hire as the new OC.

I think Geno has a lot more job security than that. He's been really good for them, and I can't see them bringing in someone who is a real threat to his job that costs a lot draft capital wise. I could see them going after a cheaper reclamation project, like a Mac Jones or someone like that.

I don't know if Gesty rules out Fields to Vegas or makes it more likely. They made real strides down the stretch, and he already knows the offense, and its a better supporting cast.

Someone mentioned it earlier and it rings true. Who has the highest upside going forward?

I think its more complex than that. Its still Fields and probably three 1sts vs Williams and probably a 2nd. I am a Fields supporter, but I think Williams is clearly a better prospect, but I don't know if he's THAT much better of a prospect, because for that difference in capital, he needs to be a borderline top-5 NFL QB.

I would not mind him going to the Raiders. The relationship between Getsy and JF has had rumblings they did not see eye to eye and maybe some did not get along. It's why they did that staged hug-it-out photo. LOL. I would not mind seeing him in Vegas but I would be surprised to see that happen.

Fields to LVR isn't going to happen. Bank on that.

Yep. I got that sense the moment Getsy was hired.

That was my 4th preferred landing spot though. ATL is sexy as hell. Dome, turf, offensive talent, good OL. Vick II potential there with the right OC.

Pittsburgh has weapons, but weather and Arthur Smith concern me.

Seattle is probably my 2nd choice behind ATL.

And honestly Chicago could be solid if they deal the pick & take MH2.

 

[menobrown]

And behind a line that gave him very little time to make reads. That’s why the “doesn’t make his reads” narrative bugs me.

When he was allowed to run he certainly made quick decisions to scramble when no one was open - when he had shackles on, he’d get crushed by a collapsing pocket in a hurry.

Falcons, Pats, Steelers, Seahawks all make sense. Given the Raiders coaching hires they’re probably out of the picture.

All of those seem reasonable. Seattle would be interesting depending on who they hire as the new OC.

I think Geno has a lot more job security than that. He's been really good for them, and I can't see them bringing in someone who is a real threat to his job that costs a lot draft capital wise. I could see them going after a cheaper reclamation project, like a Mac Jones or someone like that.

I don't know if Gesty rules out Fields to Vegas or makes it more likely. They made real strides down the stretch, and he already knows the offense, and its a better supporting cast.

Someone mentioned it earlier and it rings true. Who has the highest upside going forward?

I think its more complex than that. Its still Fields and probably three 1sts vs Williams and probably a 2nd. I am a Fields supporter, but I think Williams is clearly a better prospect, but I don't know if he's THAT much better of a prospect, because for that difference in capital, he needs to be a borderline top-5 NFL QB.

I would not mind him going to the Raiders. The relationship between Getsy and JF has had rumblings they did not see eye to eye and maybe some did not get along. It's why they did that staged hug-it-out photo. LOL. I would not mind seeing him in Vegas but I would be surprised to see that happen.

Fields to LVR isn't going to happen. Bank on that.

Yep. I got that sense the moment Getsy was hired.

That was my 4th preferred landing spot though. ATL is sexy as hell. Dome, turf, offensive talent, good OL. Vick II potential there with the right OC.

Pittsburgh has weapons, but weather and Arthur Smith concern me.

Seattle is probably my 2nd choice behind ATL.

And honestly Chicago could be solid if they deal the pick & take MH2.

What if Fields and Getsy actually viewed last year as Fields starting to see improvements in his game and their progress just got short circuited and they see a chance to continue it? Probably not, but I considered it.

But if Getsy and Fields are not a match I would be dubious that Robinson and Fields in Atlanta would be as well. Different mentors(Lafluer/McVay) but I think their offensive systems are from the same roots.

IMO those two teams, and Denver, are the most QB desperate teams in the league outside of anyone with a top 3 pick. They all got to do something, but not sure any of them jump out to me as a fit for Fields.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

And behind a line that gave him very little time to make reads. That’s why the “doesn’t make his reads” narrative bugs me.

When he was allowed to run he certainly made quick decisions to scramble when no one was open - when he had shackles on, he’d get crushed by a collapsing pocket in a hurry.

Falcons, Pats, Steelers, Seahawks all make sense. Given the Raiders coaching hires they’re probably out of the picture.

All of those seem reasonable. Seattle would be interesting depending on who they hire as the new OC.

I think Geno has a lot more job security than that. He's been really good for them, and I can't see them bringing in someone who is a real threat to his job that costs a lot draft capital wise. I could see them going after a cheaper reclamation project, like a Mac Jones or someone like that.

I don't know if Gesty rules out Fields to Vegas or makes it more likely. They made real strides down the stretch, and he already knows the offense, and its a better supporting cast.

Someone mentioned it earlier and it rings true. Who has the highest upside going forward?

I think its more complex than that. Its still Fields and probably three 1sts vs Williams and probably a 2nd. I am a Fields supporter, but I think Williams is clearly a better prospect, but I don't know if he's THAT much better of a prospect, because for that difference in capital, he needs to be a borderline top-5 NFL QB.

I would not mind him going to the Raiders. The relationship between Getsy and JF has had rumblings they did not see eye to eye and maybe some did not get along. It's why they did that staged hug-it-out photo. LOL. I would not mind seeing him in Vegas but I would be surprised to see that happen.

Fields to LVR isn't going to happen. Bank on that.

Yep. I got that sense the moment Getsy was hired.

That was my 4th preferred landing spot though. ATL is sexy as hell. Dome, turf, offensive talent, good OL. Vick II potential there with the right OC.

Pittsburgh has weapons, but weather and Arthur Smith concern me.

Seattle is probably my 2nd choice behind ATL.

And honestly Chicago could be solid if they deal the pick & take MH2.

What if Fields and Getsy actually viewed last year as Fields starting to see improvements in his game and their progress just got short circuited and they see a chance to continue it? Probably not, but I considered it.

But if Getsy and Fields are not a match I would be dubious that Robinson and Fields in Atlanta would be as well. Different mentors(Lafluer/McVay) but I think their offensive systems are from the same roots.

IMO those two teams, and Denver, are the most QB desperate teams in the league outside of anyone with a top 3 pick. They all got to do something, but not sure any of them jump out to me as a fit for Fields.

Getsy has a LOT to learn before he can become a competent OC. He needs to dial back the nerves during big play calls. He was all over the board last season on big plays. 3rd and longs, 4th down conversions, 4th quarter must-haves. The number of times he said F it and when with a screen pass were insane. Often he'd get too cute on those plays. The one that comes to mind was trying to get a 4th and short in CLE where a backup WR was the lead blocker out of the backfield against Miles Garrett. It was a dumb scheme even with the correct personnel. He also needs to understand that this is not Madden. You just can't run the same play 3x in a row without the veteran defenders figuring it out. His schemes, especially early in the season were just wonk. There were many, many times that the WRs and TEs finished their routes within 5ft of each other. That just can't happen in the NFL as it essentially allows 1 defender to guard all 3 targets. Finally, he needs to learn that all QBs are not Rodgers. He had the luxury of a HoF QB during his time at Green Bay and will not have that luxury pretty much anywhere else. IMO, he was too rigid with his scheme going into the season (note the horrible performances in the first half of 2022 and first 3-4 games of 2023) and tried to mold Fields into something that he was not. Getsy should also get crucified for allowing the OL to perform like a freakin' clown show for 2/3 of the season. Yes there were injuries and moving folks around, but watching the A22 made it clear that the OL wasn't schemed correctly for the plays they needed to make.

In fairness, there was progress made on all of these fronts throughout the 2023 season. He did work out the schemes to open up the field. He also started calling a few more designated runs for Fields (although I still think it wasn't enough). He also added some downfield action. The line performed a bit better, although there were still a good number of WTF moments.

Both Fields, DJ Moore, and Darnell Mooney called out the coaching staff in one way or another during the season. Fields did a good job of biting his tongue when asked point blank if the coaching sucked and often fell on the sword for coaching because it was the right thing to do. It's a shame that Getsy (and often Flus) didn't ever vocalize taking responsibility during press conferences.

The truth is, I think Getsy was ready to get away from Fields and Fields was ready to get away from Getsy. There didn't seem much love lost between the two when they were forced to work together in CHI and I don't see them being a good fit in LVR or anywhere else. We'll see how Gesty does with AOC, a free agent, or a rookie in the offseason.

 

[karl.Racki]

True enough, he’s not been good with reading the d and making quick decisions. But with any luck he can eventually see enough looks. By all accounts he studies film and works.

And behind a line that gave him very little time to make reads. That’s why the “doesn’t make his reads” narrative bugs me.

When he was allowed to run he certainly made quick decisions to scramble when no one was open - when he had shackles on, he’d get crushed by a collapsing pocket in a hurry.

Falcons, Pats, Steelers, Seahawks all make sense. Given the Raiders coaching hires they’re probably out of the picture.

Steelers are';t going to get him..

 

[osubuckeyeman]

The comments that kill me the most from the media is when they discuss Fields' next contract. On one hand they speculate he might demand 45-50 mil a year as a reason for the Bears to move on from him, then they proceed to say he's worth a second round pick.

If he's worth that big of a contract, he is worth more than a second round pick. The reality should be slotting him at 30-35mil a year. Does that change their equation in the vote to move on from him? Maybe not, but I wish they would be more realistic discussing his worth.

And the Bears should hope he costs them 40-50 million. I mean they should want that to happen because if it does that means he was successful. He was a very good QB for you.

If they decide to stick with Fields he plays under the rookie deal this year which is just over 6 million and if you pick up his fifth-year option that is another 20-23 million for next year. That is a pretty good deal to find out if he is the guy or not. But the Bears should want to pay him 45- 50 million and let's be honest it will go up in 2 years so these numbers might be lower. It might be more than that once he is a free agent The point is the same if he becomes what you hope he becomes then you want to pay him that money.

If you think CW is going to be better than Fields in the next 2 years or you think he is better than Fields now. You could even think they will be closer in those 2 years talent-wise and number-wise then you trade Fields and draft CW.

I could even make the argument if you think Fields will be that good you extend him now!! You pay him today's prices to avoid the inflated price later. If you believe then you believe.

I will say I kind of like the wait-and-see option better though if I decided to roll with Fields and bypass on CW. Pick up his fifth-year option and kick the can down another year or two.

I think in the end they are going to trade Fields for more than expected and draft CW with the #1 pick. I would love to see Fields stay in Chicago but I just think it is not going to happen.

 

[Grahamburn]

If your QB is any good you don’t have the #1 pick last year and another top 10 pick this year. I’m sorry. The quarterback has to take some of that on his shoulders after 3 seasons.

Keeping Fields is idiotic.

 

[osubuckeyeman]

I personally feel that Field's should stay with the Bears. Because Magic Johnson may have showed his cards when he hired Caleb Williams college coach to the be the OC for the commanders. Bear's maybe able to extort the Redskins.

This is very interesting but it is going to cost the Commanders "A LOT" to move up one slot. The only thing that could hurt the Bears is if CW pulled an Elway or E. Manning and there was no one else wanting to have to deal with a player that says he will only deal with the Commanders. The Bears would be in a rough spot then. Having to decide to take a player #1 overall that says he won't play for you. Then you may lose that pick. I think the player could sit out the season and be included in next year's draft. I'm not sure about that but I believe that is correct. I would have to "google that". I think that is the case. The league needs to change the rules on something like this and maybe make players sit out 2 years. I don't know something to prevent players from avoiding the draft process for how it was intended. Otherwise, the Commanders are going to pay way over the chart price to move up one spot.

 

[King of the Jungle]

NFL GMs are typically pretty risk adverse. CW is a very highly touted prospect. Whether he lives up to the billing is a different story. However most GMs are not going to be the one who passed on a highly touted QB only to watch him have an incredible 10-15 year career and then be known as the guy who made the wrong move not drafting him. I would say it is close to a 100% chance the Bears draft CW at one and trade Fields.

 

[Max Power]

If your QB is any good you don’t have the #1 pick last year and another top 10 pick this year. I’m sorry. The quarterback has to take some of that on his shoulders after 3 seasons.

Keeping Fields is idiotic.

Trading 3 all pros, not resigning two others and having no first round pick isn't a recipe for success.

I can't recall a WR corps worse than the 2022 Bears group. It might be the worst group ever assembled.

 

[travdogg]

If your QB is any good you don’t have the #1 pick last year and another top 10 pick this year. I’m sorry. The quarterback has to take some of that on his shoulders after 3 seasons.

Keeping Fields is idiotic.

That 2022 Bears team was BY FAR the worst defense in the NFL. Both against the run and the pass. I would also say it was the worst receiving group of the last several seasons by any team. None of that is to say Fields played well, though I'd argue he was fine, but it was as bad a situation as I've seen in recent history. Replace Fields with Mahomes and they are still picking in the top-10 that year.

The 2023 Bears were better, but again, Fields wasn't THE problem. The defense started gelling after the Sweat trade (part of why I think it was worth it, despite the high price) and they won 5 of their last 8, with all 3 losses being 1 score losses to playoff teams on the road. Sure, if Mahomes is the QB, maybe they sneak the #7 seed, but again, Fields has been ok.

Is Caleb Williams probably better? Sure. Is Justin Fields a bad QB? No. Is the difference between the two close to 3 1st round picks? Highly unlikely.

 

[sm8680]

If your QB is any good you don’t have the #1 pick last year and another top 10 pick this year. I’m sorry. The quarterback has to take some of that on his shoulders after 3 seasons.

Keeping Fields is idiotic.

Troy Aikman
1989 Troy first pick of the draft. Teams goes 1-15
1990 Dallas forfeited their 1990 first-round pick which would have been the first pick in the draft after selecting QB Steve Walsh in the 1989 supplemental draft.
1991 1st pick of the draft Russell Maryland.

 

[Faust]

DJ Moore “definitely on record” as wanting Justin Fields to stay with Bears

 

[osubuckeyeman]

DJ Moore “definitely on record” as wanting Justin Fields to stay with Bears

Well, he did have a pretty good year. LOL

 

[Gally]

However most GMs are not going to be the one who passed on a highly touted QB only to watch him have an incredible 10-15 year career and then be known as the guy who made the wrong move not drafting him.

"Vontae Mack no matter what" - Sonny Weaver Jr

 

[greenmountaingoat]

Kluge had the flowchart on twitter a week ago. No possible good outcomes because, bears.

 

[rzrback77]

Expecting a lively conversation I’ve the next two months. There will be rumours continuously, but till yet, nobody knows. I think the fact that “potential” for Fields helps the Bears in two ways. One, they have options to keep Fields or to seek trades. Second the potential of the Bears drafting Williams, assuming he is the cream of the crop top choice will drive up his price. The Bears seem to be in a win, win situation.

Time will tell.

 

[FarFromHome]

I'm a pro Fields guy. I think he has the tools. With the correct coaching and scheme can be a legit NFL QB. Having said all that, if I were in the Bears position, I would move him. Having pick 1, a QB, on year one of a rookie contract is too good to pass up. Imo

 

[menobrown]

Expecting a lively conversation I’ve the next two months. There will be rumours continuously, but till yet, nobody knows. I think the fact that “potential” for Fields helps the Bears in two ways. One, they have options to keep Fields or to seek trades. Second the potential of the Bears drafting Williams, assuming he is the cream of the crop top choice will drive up his price. The Bears seem to be in a win, win situation.

Time will tell.

Actually I feel like I do know regarding Fields and view his eventual trade as anti-climatic, just a matter of where and for what.

 

[Gally]

I'm a pro Fields guy. I think he has the tools. With the correct coaching and scheme can be a legit NFL QB. Having said all that, if I were in the Bears position, I would move him. Having pick 1, a QB, on year one of a rookie contract is too good to pass up. Imo

I am also a believer that Fields is a legit NFL QB and that the Bears haven't done him any favors the last couple of years.

I would say the opposite though because the return for trading pick 1.01 should bring quite the hall which can help replenish the team quicker. Plus you know Fields has flashed at the NFL level and even though Williams is highly touted you never know if he will be an NFL caliber QB or not. He should be but there is more risk there.

But I have no problem with putting both on the trade bait and see what offers best suit your needs and take the best bang for the buck.

 

[need2know]

If your QB is any good you don’t have the #1 pick last year and another top 10 pick this year. I’m sorry. The quarterback has to take some of that on his shoulders after 3 seasons.

Keeping Fields is idiotic.

and paying him 35 mil to win 5-6 games a year

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Kluge had the flowchart on twitter a week ago. No possible good outcomes because, bears.

I follow him. That was hilarious. He’s a Bears fan IIRC?

Every outcome was bad. Hahahaha

 

[FarFromHome]

I'm a pro Fields guy. I think he has the tools. With the correct coaching and scheme can be a legit NFL QB. Having said all that, if I were in the Bears position, I would move him. Having pick 1, a QB, on year one of a rookie contract is too good to pass up. Imo

I am also a believer that Fields is a legit NFL QB and that the Bears haven't done him any favors the last couple of years.

I would say the opposite though because the return for trading pick 1.01 should bring quite the hall which can help replenish the team quicker. Plus you know Fields has flashed at the NFL level and even though Williams is highly touted you never know if he will be an NFL caliber QB or not. He should be but there is more risk there.

But I have no problem with putting both on the trade bait and see what offers best suit your needs and take the best bang for the buck.

We both agree. I will say although trading Fields seems to be the logical path, staring down at that possible haul for pick 1 would be enticing.

 

[King of the Jungle]

However most GMs are not going to be the one who passed on a highly touted QB only to watch him have an incredible 10-15 year career and then be known as the guy who made the wrong move not drafting him.

"Vontae Mack no matter what" - Sonny Weaver Jr

“Caleb Williams no matter what” - Ryan Poles (most likely anyway)

 

[Enzo....the Baker]

Agree with a lot of folks in that the staff has done fields zero favors.
My concern is trading fields allows eberflus to reset the clock, both personnel and cap wise.

Does it also conveniently buy an under qualified guy more time as a HC?

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

Agree with a lot of folks in that the staff has done fields zero favors.
My concern is trading fields allows eberflus to reset the clock, both personnel and cap wise.

Does it also conveniently buy an under qualified guy more time as a HC?

I have been very vocal about Flus' shortcomings and wanted him gone mid season.....BUT, to be fair he's matured as a head coach this season. Yes, he still gets too conservative with a lead. Yes, his press conferences are often unintelligible. Yes, his in game time management is bad. All that said, he improved on all those items as the season progressed. By all accounts the players really love him. And, rightfully, the front office has spoken at length about continuity within the coaching staff. Resetting the clock does give Flus more time, but he was always gonna get more time with the way Poles stripped the roster and corrected the cap situation in 22. And the 23 team was markedly better than the 22 team. There's something to be said about learning on the job I suppose and Flus has been doing just that.

 

[Mingooch]

If your QB is any good you don’t have the #1 pick last year and another top 10 pick this year. I’m sorry. The quarterback has to take some of that on his shoulders after 3 seasons.

Keeping Fields is idiotic.

Trading 3 all pros, not resigning two others and having no first round pick isn't a recipe for success.

I can't recall a WR corps worse than the 2022 Bears group. It might be the worst group ever assembled.

You clearly didnt look at the Patriots Wrs

 

[travdogg]

If your QB is any good you don’t have the #1 pick last year and another top 10 pick this year. I’m sorry. The quarterback has to take some of that on his shoulders after 3 seasons.

Keeping Fields is idiotic.

Trading 3 all pros, not resigning two others and having no first round pick isn't a recipe for success.

I can't recall a WR corps worse than the 2022 Bears group. It might be the worst group ever assembled.

You clearly didnt look at the Patriots Wrs

Patriots WR group was a lot better than the 2022 Bears. Patriots don't have a #1, but Douglas, Bourne, and Parker are all decent (or better in Douglas case) players, Bears had nothing, especially after Mooney went down.

I think the Buffalo WR group Josh Allen's rookie year (where it was 2nd year Zay Jones and a bunch of guys not long for the NFL) was worse than the 2022 Bears, but that's about it.

 

[N Zone]

Nobody is down on the Bears for trading the #1 overall pick last year. They could have drafted CJ Stroud. So why would they take a QB this year, when Fields improved, the team improved, and they already passed last year and didn't get criticized for it. It was the right move then, and the right move this year is to take Marvin Harrison Jr, especially if they trade down 1 pick and get more picks plus MHJr.

 

[Ilov80s]

Nobody is down on the Bears for trading the #1 overall pick last year. They could have drafted CJ Stroud. So why would they take a QB this year, when Fields improved, the team improved, and they already passed last year and didn't get criticized for it. It was the right move then, and the right move this year is to take Marvin Harrison Jr, especially if they trade down 1 pick and get more picks plus MHJr.

Maybe but not taking a QB now means you need to resign Fields to a new deal.

 

[Mingooch]

If your QB is any good you don’t have the #1 pick last year and another top 10 pick this year. I’m sorry. The quarterback has to take some of that on his shoulders after 3 seasons.

Keeping Fields is idiotic.

Trading 3 all pros, not resigning two others and having no first round pick isn't a recipe for success.

I can't recall a WR corps worse than the 2022 Bears group. It might be the worst group ever assembled.

You clearly didnt look at the Patriots Wrs

Patriots WR group was a lot better than the 2022 Bears. Patriots don't have a #1, but Douglas, Bourne, and Parker are all decent (or better in Douglas case) players, Bears had nothing, especially after Mooney went down.

I think the Buffalo WR group Josh Allen's rookie year (where it was 2nd year Zay Jones and a bunch of guys not long for the NFL) was worse than the 2022 Bears, but that's about it.

DJ Moore alone was better than the entire Pats Wr corp

 

[travdogg]

If your QB is any good you don’t have the #1 pick last year and another top 10 pick this year. I’m sorry. The quarterback has to take some of that on his shoulders after 3 seasons.

Keeping Fields is idiotic.

Trading 3 all pros, not resigning two others and having no first round pick isn't a recipe for success.

I can't recall a WR corps worse than the 2022 Bears group. It might be the worst group ever assembled.

You clearly didnt look at the Patriots Wrs

Patriots WR group was a lot better than the 2022 Bears. Patriots don't have a #1, but Douglas, Bourne, and Parker are all decent (or better in Douglas case) players, Bears had nothing, especially after Mooney went down.

I think the Buffalo WR group Josh Allen's rookie year (where it was 2nd year Zay Jones and a bunch of guys not long for the NFL) was worse than the 2022 Bears, but that's about it.

DJ Moore alone was better than the entire Pats Wr corp

DJ Moore wasn't on the team in 2022.