Insein
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Fields back at practice today.
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QB Justin Fields, NYJ (1 Viewer)
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Didn't take part in QB drills or team period
Also no one noticing him wincing. It's like I said yesterday almost exactly so far.
Different Jets reporter said he replaced Taylor with the first string. He sailed two passes, had a coverage sack and Taylor had both his hands up on the sideline like calm down calm down. He made a beauty of a throw to Wilson and that's all it took. He looked good after.
He threw one in the dirt and coaches clapped because nothing was open.
This reporter has two TDs not three
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
lmao already back at practice today
Chaka
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
Is anyone honestly thinking that Martinez has NFL caliber tools? I mean he looks the part 6'2" 220, has 50 starts in college and has plus mobility. But he graduated in '22 and hasn't gotten any meaningful opportunity in the NFL. What is the argument that he can get on the field for the Jets?
Also, what is the flaw in his game that has kept him out of the NFL so far?
Also, what is the flaw in his game that has kept him out of the NFL so far?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Isn’t Tyrod Taylor the backup?
It was only us UFL fans last year because Rodgers had barely played the year before and he was UFL MVP or POY.
He did good though last summer. He got rare compliments from Rodgers and others.
Typical third string handful of fans type.
Bovada odds to start are obviously Fields way ahead but Martinez and Taylor are +550 and +500. Radio today was discussing if Martinez can beat him out for the backup job.
There IS a sizable contingent that aren't Fields fans and he's gotten too many chances or he is what he is etc. That leads to "well then who" and that's how Martinez comes up. Tyrod is not what he once was also.
It would be Kurt Warner-ish rise for him to start this year.
Still, first team reps on day three is something. First team has been a discussion point and mark to rise to for decades. He accomplished something today. Does it matter? We'll see but I guarantee no one had him getting first team reps on day three
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I dunno, Tyrod was a pretty efficient QB when he was starting. his biggest issue is that he couldnt stay healthy. (yes another Running QB who cannot stay healthy)
when he did start in Buffalo, in 14-15 starts, he would throw for 3000 yards, run for another 500 yards. TD-INT ratio was good. 20-6 17-6 and 14-4 in his 3 seasons as starter. Not bad actually. he wont light the world on fire for you but if you are looking for a game manager because your defense is top notch, he will give you that.
but if you want him to throw for 4000+ yards, you are likely looking at the wrong player.
the one thing he will give you is he looks after the football. and for fantasy he will get you rush yards.
its the injury history that concerns me. Hes fine as a backup or to hold the fort a couple weeks if the starter gets hurt. I dont think he has the durability to make it through a full season without getting injured.
he will get the team a win against the weaker teams. the tough teams are more questionable in terms of where his production will be
As far as flaws, he's improved dramatically. One of the great things of UFL is the NFL and retired guys aren't doing squat so they can come on as guests (essentially critics) and chime in.
He did this at K state and that at Nebraska and...nope not anymore.
The critics rave about the growth of he and Taamu since their college days.
I don't know where he's at now. He looks darn good and was a panicker. He throws it out of bounds and in the dirt and "he gets it."
As I said this offseason, his 4.5 speed (led UFL in rushing, third in passing) may may may make him a more comfortable fill-in if Fields misses time. Old Taylor is more of a scramble and buy time than a runner.
The radio host today said playing Martinez will make them sign someone. IE if it comes down to it, they'll trade for Cousins or somesuch before they use him. The confidence is very low in him
That was 7-8 years ago. He's 36 or so now
Another thing about Fields, he doesn't have a winning record.
It was a very interesting discussion when he left Chicago and when Tomlin pulled him at 4-2.
The Jets would probably be good with .500 this year. He doesn't have high standards to meet but he's gotta lead and make decisions that gives the coach confidence. He has never done this in the NFL.
A lot of Wilson talk has been how he won't get as many looks with Fields and that usually ends with it'll be ok if the team makes progress.
There is some pressure on him to be a more mature QB.
Whenever I listen to NY radio "he's not a rookie" comes up and it's a pretty valid point. A lot of people talk about him as if he is and has all this time for errors and growth. He's not. So what's the standard?
It was a very interesting discussion when he left Chicago and when Tomlin pulled him at 4-2.
The Jets would probably be good with .500 this year. He doesn't have high standards to meet but he's gotta lead and make decisions that gives the coach confidence. He has never done this in the NFL.
A lot of Wilson talk has been how he won't get as many looks with Fields and that usually ends with it'll be ok if the team makes progress.
There is some pressure on him to be a more mature QB.
Whenever I listen to NY radio "he's not a rookie" comes up and it's a pretty valid point. A lot of people talk about him as if he is and has all this time for errors and growth. He's not. So what's the standard?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I mean, maybe give Fields a single down before condemnation. This is getting out of hand.
Harjiran
Footballguy
I'm familiar with his work.
Chaka
Footballguy
Tyrod will be 36 in 10 days, or so, and hasn't had a meaningful start since 2017. As a Raiders fan it's exactly what I knew going into last year: Starting Minshew means the season is over before Labor Day. O'Connell probably isn't the answer but he was the X Factor, why not give him the opportunity to be the next Kurt Warner? In a 20 year long run of suckitude, last year was a low moment.
If Fields were to miss the season, and clearly he won't, Tyrod is giving up before it's even started, Martinez is an X Factor.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’m sayin - he might surprise. I’m rooting for the kid.
Harjiran
Footballguy
Oh, don't get me wrong, me too - I'm rooting for all of these kids except when they play against my team IRL or in fantasy. They're doing something that brings me a lot of enjoyment and I'm grateful to all the players and coaches for that. I'm also grateful that I'm not a Jets fan
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Pretty sure that’s universal outside of Jets fandom.I'm also grateful that I'm not a Jets fan
Rich Cimini has him throwing in QB drills this morning.
It's just two steps and throw and he's clearly stepping gently but it's a good sign towards him getting back.
I believe they're off a couple days tomorrow so it's probably a bad day for him personally. If I'm right he's gonna do a bit of drills and the toe is gonna be screaming at him.
The obvious issue with pain tolerance injuries is that ya gotta start the process and it's usually before a day off.
Again stubbed toe and you at home- I bet he feels fine later if not tomorrow and that could bring enough confidence to return to somewhat normal when they return.
It's just two steps and throw and he's clearly stepping gently but it's a good sign towards him getting back.
I believe they're off a couple days tomorrow so it's probably a bad day for him personally. If I'm right he's gonna do a bit of drills and the toe is gonna be screaming at him.
The obvious issue with pain tolerance injuries is that ya gotta start the process and it's usually before a day off.
Again stubbed toe and you at home- I bet he feels fine later if not tomorrow and that could bring enough confidence to return to somewhat normal when they return.
There's a good amount of footwork here and the coach clearly comfortable getting in his face about it.
Good signs good signs
Another, he looks fine here
I agree. while he wasnt excellent in Pittsburgh, he also wasnt terrible. He had good moments and He showed some signs of growth as a player. All he needs to do is take that next step to show he can be a better than average starting QB.
given the body of work and his age I'd definitely say its possible this can happen. but its also possible it wont happen. Its possible this is as good as he gets.
but we wont know until he picks up the football and starts Slingin it.
That said, whether this team is good doesn't just rest on the shoulders of Fields. There are a lot of other players who have input into this and we have not really discussed them. so saying the team is in trouble feels like a generic, blanket statement. If you tell us where this conclusion is coming from perhaps we can analyze this to see if there is some merit to your statement.
for sure.
my point is he was good enough as a starter, the season isnt actually over if they have to roll out with him week 1. Hes good enough to hold the fort for a while.
whether hes good enough to hold the fort for a full season remains to be seen. But the guys got enough in his game that your season is not a writeoff if you have to start him a few games. Thats all I'm saying.
Chaka
Footballguy
Yeah, that's the same stuff people said about Gardner Minshew last year.
The season is over if Tyrod is under center. Maybe a two game stop gap kinda guy, that's it.
I get where you are coming from. but with a lot of these lower tier QB their ability to succeed depends largely on the system they play in and the coach they are with.
There are QB who will light it up no matter what system and what coach you look at. There are others that need a certain situation to thrive.
I like Minshew a lot, but when he went to vegas I did not like his chances of producing there. The way the season played out I'm convinced my intuition on that was correct. I still dont think hes a bad QB. I think he was (to some extent) a victim of being in a bad situation.
from a team building perspective I'm glad they got Pete Carroll in there in Vegas. he will install processes and systems that will allow the players to be more successful. but these things can sometimes take time and this may take a while to turn the team around. I think Carroll is a fantastic coach but he will also need to undo a lot of the mistakes of the previous regime. That may take more than a year.
but I do think the team will be better. How much better I cannot say. My best guess is maybe 8-9 or 7-10. Its possible he does better but hes in a pretty tough division, so most of their wins will come from games outside of the division.. I dont see a lot of wins against the chiefs, chargers, and Broncos. and that makes it harder to turn the team around in a hurry.
fatness
Footballguy
Fields is practicing in 11-on-11's today.
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profo...lds-participates-in-11-on-11-drills-on-monday
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profo...lds-participates-in-11-on-11-drills-on-monday
steelcityman
Footballguy
Its overreaction time, grab your boots and pull.
Time to learn. It's early in camp, time to learn.
On the one hand a guy can get exposed but on the other now he's showing what needs to be fixed and if he does that...
Praise
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
As opposed to naming it “I beg your pardon” after P-Diddy Combs?
