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QB Justin Fields, NYJ (3 Viewers)
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the spanker
Footballguy
Scared money don't make no money.
rockaction
Footballguy
3-11 for 27 passing yards total and 5 rushes for 49 rushing yards and two fumbles while losing one. So that’s 2.9 points for the rushing yards plus whatever 27 passing yards gets you. About 1.2 maybe? Total.
4.1 total points from your QB is tough.
No risk it, no biscuit, eh?
the spanker
Footballguy
| 2 Rushing TDs |
| 1 Passing TDs |
| 48 Rushing Yards |
| 218 Passing Yards |
| Subtotal |
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the spanker
Footballguy
Opps week 1 stats....yeah, I repeat. Scared money don't make no money.
rockaction
Footballguy
I dig it. I'm just questioning whether it's scared money or foolish money. All the Three Card Monty players in NYC used to say the same stuff to the tourists.
I get your point and the general contention is he is a good fantasy QB. The only real question for him regarding fantasy in the normal course of events is will he hold the starting job or will he get hurt running or behind that line, which certainly happened against Buffalo. Then you might lose your day.
But yeah, gotta ante up to make it.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Following his last games performance and his recent concussion the risk is quite real. The one league i roster him I'm a hopeful, but an average team and I'm playing the 1st place team. I need his big upside. It could fall flat, but like I said I'm the underdog. If I was the favorite and had even a mid QB2 type, id prolly start the mid guy over Fields. Don't know if that makes sense to anyone but me. Ha ha
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rockaction
Footballguy
Totally makes sense. You can beat a lesser opponent with safer probability of a mid score, but to beat number one you'd better shoot the moon
the spanker
Footballguy
Just made a trade to mitigate his risk and got Caleb as the starter now.
Exactly my predicament in a guillotine league. Limited roster of only 11 players where eight score each week. Drafted only Burrow and been scrambling for a QB score. Opted for Geno Smith over Fields, on the waiver wire due to his concussion.
when the QB gets 50 yards rushing per game, the rest of his game doesnt need to be that good to have a decent fantasy day.
200 yards and 2 TD and 50 yards rushing is the same as 300 yards passing and 2 TD.
the first stat seems a lot less impressive but from a fantasy perspective its good.
and the defense he is facing isnt that good. so if he gets 250+ along with that 50 yards rushing, thats a real nice fantasy day so long as there are TD involved there.
and I'm not a huge fan of him as a QB but in this situation I'd bet on him almost every time. he is the type of QB who could put up a top 5 fantasy day even if he doesnt throw for 250 yards.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Cleared to start. One good week. One really really bad week. It's good week time. Giddy up.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Ya, out of those options id go Fields for sure. Ha ha.
rockaction
Footballguy
Pump you guys up for Monday night. A little Justin vs. Miami
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Didn't need to read this. Ha ha
mjb03003
Footballguy
I didn’t watch the whole game but man the Jets are just such a poorly coached team. Penalties, bad play calling, fair catching a punt at your own 2 yard line…so many avoidable mistakes that make it hard to get first downs, let alone points, let alone win games.
Justin Fields is far from perfect but he is being dealt such a terrible hand yet again.
Still manages to go 20-for-27 for 230 yards through the air, and if not for the fumble at the goal line and the fumbled kickoff to start the second half, he probably leads his team to a road victory.
Justin Fields is far from perfect but he is being dealt such a terrible hand yet again.
Still manages to go 20-for-27 for 230 yards through the air, and if not for the fumble at the goal line and the fumbled kickoff to start the second half, he probably leads his team to a road victory.
rockaction
Footballguy
Three teams including a five-time champion where he got benched for a QB that looks like Russ and we’re still arguing this in a serious way?
rockaction
Footballguy
And man, it’s okay if you didn’t but then issuing judgments about the player from a glance at the box score?
C’mon. The Jets are not currently constituted to do him favors, and I’ll freely admit that. But when knowledgeable comments are saying in the thread, “Justin Fields should try being a pro athlete in a different sport,” you’re getting the totality of the circumstances.
mjb03003
Footballguy
I watched about 2/3 of the game and 90% of the Jets offensive plays. What about my post made you think I just glanced at the box score?
Not really looking to argue about Fields as he’s perhaps the most polarizing player in the league and on these boards.
I can have my opinion of how he played and how much of the 0-4 start and (at times) dysfunctional offense is his fault. Right?
dkp993
Footballguy
I watched every snap and honestly didn’t think he played bad. A couple off targets throws that could have lead to longer gains, and the classic Fields fumble that he has to stop doing, but he’s far from the biggest problem on the team. He also made some big plays that maybe 2/3 other QB’s make. He’s a weapon. Stupid momentum killing penalties and 3 fumbles cost them that game.
mjb03003
Footballguy
I give the Steelers multiple titles from the 1970s no weight in their poor decision to give the the reigns back to Russ and sticking with him as their season collapsed.
rockaction
Footballguy
This is all fine. dkp993, no problem here, but I wasn’t making any of the points you rebutted.
mjb3003, I took it as implied that you barely tuned in. I have no problems with differing opinions; I truly thought you didn’t watch almost at all.
mjb3003, I took it as implied that you barely tuned in. I have no problems with differing opinions; I truly thought you didn’t watch almost at all.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
His 1st pass to GW was a floaty wobbly duck that had no business being caught, and he was fortunate with a few throws behind guys - he also struggled with touch on short passes, like the 1st down to Mason at 100 mph.
But overall he was decent. Just lacked consistency, and he struggled on 3rd down often.
Might as well ask the sun to stop setting in the west. Ask children to not like kittens and ice cream. Ask bears to stop pooping in the woods.
dkp993
Footballguy
Ah, Ok. Stop doing that Sun, kids and bears.
mjb03003
Footballguy
The offensive pass interference on Wilson that wiped out a touchdown was a pretty ticky tack foul. If that isn’t called that’s a throw and catch that’s on every highlight reel this morning. Great touch and placement by Fields and incredible concentration and body control by Wilson. They must have incorrectly said 5 times in the broadcast that he “was out of bounds anyway,” when in fact it was ruled a Touchdown on the field but called back for OPI.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
No one put a gun to his head and forced him to sign with the Jets.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
As a fantasy owner of Fields I'm quite pleased with last night.
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Kiddnets
Footballguy
Fields is a top 10 fantasy QB period - yes hes ugly and not a great real life QB but he is miles better than Tyrod Taylor - health permitting I see him starting all year and ending up top 10 fantasy QB with a very juicy schedule down stretch.
Is he the long term QB solution for the JEts - probably not but he has a chance to be - with his contract and talent he's the starter all year.
Is he the long term QB solution for the JEts - probably not but he has a chance to be - with his contract and talent he's the starter all year.
rockaction
Footballguy
Wow, is this ever a rough stat. This can't be true, can it?
https://x.com/ScottKacsmar
Scott Kacsmar
@ScottKacsmar. 13h
Justin Fields is now 0-25 when his team allows more than 20 points.
https://x.com/ScottKacsmar
Scott Kacsmar
@ScottKacsmar. 13h
Justin Fields is now 0-25 when his team allows more than 20 points.
MCFootball123
Footballguy
While we can all agree that in real life that is damning....do we really care for fantasy purposes? This is a fantasy football board and we don't care.
Dizzy
Footballguy
Correct. One thing we can ALL agree on... play all your guys when it's against the Dolphins!
He’s an elite athletic talent, both arm and legs. But, he has considerable limitations due to his poor decision making/ inability to read the field, which severely restricts the offensive scheme he can run. A lot of folks pile(d) on the Jets/ Steelers/ Bears for not turning him loose, but perhaps that’s because they can’t/ couldn’t. Hence you get the overly conservative, run-oriented game plan that you saw through 3 quarters last night.
rockaction
Footballguy
I always thought the board served a dual role. You can talk about fantasy success and talk about football success.
I've been here for close to a decade and a half and have only ever heard that brought up by people who were newer, people who were angry the player was considered good or bad by another commenter, or people acting in bad faith to shut off conversation.
I'm guessing that 170 total messages qualifies as newer, so I'll just say that we often talk football prowess alone here.
mjb03003
Footballguy
Agree with @rockaction about the dual role of the boards, and I would add that with the significant dynasty presence in the boards a lot of us care a great deal about whether someone is actually good for real life football, because it impacts how long someone will have a job in the league. Especially true for QBs.
MCFootball123
Footballguy
No one said you couldn't bring it up. Glad you did! Just stating that from a fantasy perspective no one cares. The stat is wild and I don't believe Justin is a good real life QB. I would love to have Justin on my fantasy team. 99% of the discussion in the shark pool is about fantasy football.
The comments about bad faith, anger, and being new are cute. Relax daddy, just adding additional perspective to your great stat.
Moving on, as long as Justin Fields legs are healthy he is a top 10 fantasy QB. Let's ride.
osubuckeyeman
Footballguy
Fields is a fantasy asset, for sure. I think that part of the equation has been settled throughout his career. He has more hit games than duds. He will rack up fantasy points if he starts and plays for the season. However, as a real-life NFL quarterback, he is still a question mark for me. I hate his longated motion when delivering the ball. He still holds the ball way too long. He seems to wait for players to get open and not throw with anticipation consistently. What drives me crazy is that at times he does do everything correctly and looks really good on some throws, but it is only on some throws, and then it feels like his bad habits creep back in. That long motion of his gets balls knocked down far too often.
However, all of that said, he is a clear QB1 in any format. He is right there with Jackson and Allen for me. Just a bit scarier because he plays for the Jets.
However, all of that said, he is a clear QB1 in any format. He is right there with Jackson and Allen for me. Just a bit scarier because he plays for the Jets.
Yeah he really does look so great sometimes. Like overall his numbers verse Miami were great, but that first half was absolutely terrible. Hopefully, he can build off of that and do similar against Dallas.
Things he did well that game were made a lot of great throws, very accurate, and made good decisions. His decision making has clearly improved. He runs when it makes sense, and that 40 yard TD run was peak Fields. The throws in the endzone to Garrett Wilson (both the TD throws). The first one should not have been called back, and both were awesome throws. The people thing forget about Fields is he is actually a very accurate deep ball passer.
The problem as you stated continues to be that he definitely holds on to the ball too long, does not have "touch" on some short throws, and than the Jets suck of course. Dude was running for his life against the dolpins the first half. They settled in the 2nd half and ran the ball well, but man you just feel for him. Atleast the coaching staff for the Jets are better than what he had with the Bears organization. Could you imagine if Fields went to the Colts instead? He would be in such a better situation.
FYI...that link says #16 for me when I click on it. Strange why that changed.Well for your paying subscribers that use your sync, you had him as QB18 in all of my leagues. Big miss it seems there.You sync any league up (even with the most standard settings), and it has him at QB18 Both draft dominators also have him at QB18 with 1 for 25, 4/td. At 6/td it drops him even more.
A few things.
1. I normally like to wait until Week 1 is fully complete before victory lapping season-long predictions. But that's just me.
2. We had Fields ranked as our QB11 in our preseason draft rankings. Part of doing what we do the way we do it is our predictions are public. Plenty of opportunities for the "Told you so" crowd but that's life. We'll miss on plenty of things this season I'm sure. A tad early I think to claim we missed already at QB11. But thanks.
3. One of our largest competitors, Fantasy Pros, had him as QB12 for season long draft rankings.
Will be fun to see how this plays out.
You have him at 286.67 points, which puts him 18th of all the QBs you have ranked.
We will see how it plays out but so far looks like he will be much higher than the 286 (18th most) points FBG projected him for.
He's our QB11 in default settings. That's publc record and documented.
And to be clear, our rankings are where we rank the players for a draft list. Not a numerical list of total points.
There are lots of factors behind the scenes in addition to total points that go into our rankings. Upside potential being one. Games played is another. It's why Brandon Aiyuk can be our WR56 and projected to score fewer points than players he's ranked ahead of.
Again, I'm sure we'll miss on players. And there will always be folks anxious to point that out. It's life. But for now, I feel ok with having told our audience we ranked Fields as our QB11.
We'll see.
He's ranked QB 11 in default scoring as I've linked to and shown repeatedly. I've no doubt in other scoring systems he could be lower based on our projections. Sounds like that's the case for your leagues.
And again, I usually wait a few more weeks before declaring season long projections big misses. But I understand others may not.
Back to work here. You're welcome to have the last word.
osubuckeyeman
Footballguy
It's very Kyler Murray-like number-wise. He can have a horrible half and then get his numbers in the second half. I'm not comparing the two. I think Fields is a better quarterback than Murray, both in Fantasy and the real world.
Oh yeah definitely equally frustrating. The Jets are an absolute mess... they had like "9" false start penalities ... that's high school level. Very difficult to get into a rhythm as a QB when everyone around you can't stay still until the ball is snapped
.... I am sure coaches will fix that this week though
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Not to mention they are putting hand cuffs on him. He cant be expected to get into a rhythm throwing 5 times or less in the 1st half then opening it up in the 2d half when trailing. Let the kid play his game - expect some mistakes but he can make big plays as well.Oh yeah definitely equally frustrating. The Jets are an absolute mess... they had like "9" false start penalities ... that's high school level. Very difficult to get into a rhythm as a QB when everyone around you can't stay still until the ball is snapped
mjb03003
Footballguy
I've come to terms with the fact that I'm a Justin Fields apologist. I could get into all the circumstances that led me to the opinion that the book on him is STILL not closed, even in his 5th season as a pro, but no one wants to read all that. Let's just say I'm very interested to see what develops this season if he's left alone as the starter and stays healthy. I'm encouraged by the emergence of Mason Taylor as a quality 2nd target (which, as an aside, makes him a very intriguing fantasy option in his own right) and how that could help Fields as the season progresses.
Same. He had the worst 3 years to start off with the Bears and their terrible organization, coaching, and an abysmal supporting cast. Those coaches were some of the worst coaches over the past decade, and for some reason that organization didn't get rid of them. The Steelers should have let him continue to play instead of Russell Wilson, but he didn't fit their boring style of football.
I like that the Jets are committed to him, but man do they need an improved offensive line, and to give him more than 1 damn weapon. They also need to let him do his thing, and not run the ball up the middle every play. There were a couple of times where they didn't even let him pass the ball on like a 3rd and 6, and just ran it up the middle, which didn't convert. I have no idea what they were doing there, but it sure didn't feel like they were "trying to win". He clearly showed in the 4th quarter that he is capable of moving the chains and keeping the Jets competitive. The penalties also didn't help, and hopefully they get that fixed this week.
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BlackCrowes
Footballguy
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