Interseptopus
Footballguy
I realize you're talking about this from a real NFL perspective, but I am strictly talking fantasy football. Right now I'm not worried about any of that impacting his fantasy outlook
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QB Kyler Murray, ARZ (2 Viewers)
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jtd13
Footballguy
I think I'll be strongly considering Murray at 1.11 and 2.01 in a couple leagues. That's a combo of me liking Murray quite a bit for fantasy, and anticipating I won't love the WR or RB options there.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Come on man, it's not about a tweet, it's about giving a glimpse of his character, then you add the lack of size, his inability to come across well in his dealing with others, the fact he faced weak defenses in the Big12, and it all starts to add up. Way too much is made about his running, he won't be in vs Kansas, Oklahoma State anymore.
jtd13
Footballguy
Probably Murray. Much less likely to bust, although if Rodney hits he'll be more valuable.
Cousins is my starter in 2 of those 3 leagues. That's also factoring into my decision. He's not really losing me games, but he's not winning me any games either.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Thanks. These are possibly my options at 2.1 and I'm not sure what I'll do. Murray may even be gone.
I have Goff and Rosen... so I'm in a similar boat as you qb depth wise. I may wait until cuts or 2020 to add more but kicking the tires on the top qb prospect since I am in position to take him
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Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
What if this guy gets taken number 1 overall then changes his mind and wants to play baseball? Not being a Cardinals fan or have any investment in Murray himself, what a storyline that would be!
gives me vibes of Eli Manning's "I don't want to play for San Diego", driving the Philip Rivers swap with NYG
Both you please get back to 100% football and not each other. Thanks.ZenoRazon said:
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
How was Alabama's defense last season?ZenoRazon said:
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
You said "Way too much is made about his running, he won't be in vs Kansas, Oklahoma State anymore." He ran for the second most yards he did all season, 109, against Bama and scored a TD.
He also threw for 308 yards with 2 TDs and no INTs for a QB rating of 139.1. So you can spin things to fit your narrative but you should probably look at all the facts as well.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
40.3 fantasy points against bama... hard to argue with that
I would agree, hes right that way too much is made about his running. Almost no one talks about how great of a passer this guy is on top of it all. He can do both equally good, which is what keeps me coming back to him to kick the tires
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I didn't spin anything, vs a good defense he barely completed 50% of his passes. So if he'd faced good defenses he was barely a 50% passer. And , even Alabama isn't the NFL. (they'd lose to any NFL team).
Does he throw into tight windows, can he read defenses? Sure he can evade a tackler and toss it up for somebody to run under, but that isn't the NFL.
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smbkrypt24
Footballguy
K. Murray was a guy I was definitely interested in in the late 2nd round before I traded all my draft picks away. Its a 1 QB league and I don't value Qbs that much. I am now curious which team in my league will draft him as there is only one team with 1 QB rosters (Goff).
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
Unfortunately (for you), you are only eligible to play other college teams in college. Alabama was one of the top 3 defenses in college last year. So saying they would lose to NFL teams is not something mind-blowing here. Talking about Murray and his stats against colleges is the only thing people can base there decision on, unless you put much stock in the interviews which it seems is a thing.
That Bama defense at 3?
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/years/2018-team-defense.html
Where are the Big12 schools on that list?
I don't care if a football player can only grunt, until ya get to the QB, here you need a take charge guy, a leader, a guy who would.....sorry dad but I got this. Noway in hell my dad is tagging along with me and I loved my dad.. That right there tells me a lot about this guy, now add the way he carries himself, he simply lacks that "I;m in charge" personna.
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
Well the argument has moved. The thing about that list you referenced (Thanks for actual stats to back up statements) is that it has Appalachian St. and Fresno State top 5. Are we seriously arguing either defense is in the same stratosphere as Alabama. This looks like a stat complied ranking and not actual ranking of defense to include level of talent played against.
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
I couldnt care less if a player had his grandma as his agent or Drew Rosenhaus.
Not much you can do for anyone who doesnt recognize Alabama as a top notch program, and therefore success against that program as quite the feather in the hat
It seems Zeno is placing a lot of weight on his perception of Murrays character; how he interviewed (or allegedly interviewed) once or twice, what he tweeted when his voice was still high pitched, and who he has as his agent. If character breeds success then Tim Tebow should be shattering Tom Bradys records.
I'm not sure this discussion is going anywhere positive.
I'd love to get back to talking about things other than character, because I'm not really sure there are character concerns that would be consided red flags by the consensus (in the forums or even in the media)
Not much you can do for anyone who doesnt recognize Alabama as a top notch program, and therefore success against that program as quite the feather in the hat
It seems Zeno is placing a lot of weight on his perception of Murrays character; how he interviewed (or allegedly interviewed) once or twice, what he tweeted when his voice was still high pitched, and who he has as his agent. If character breeds success then Tim Tebow should be shattering Tom Bradys records.
I'm not sure this discussion is going anywhere positive.
I'd love to get back to talking about things other than character, because I'm not really sure there are character concerns that would be consided red flags by the consensus (in the forums or even in the media)
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smbkrypt24
Footballguy
Clemson, Georgia, Alabama. Top 3. care to answer questions from post you quoted of mine.
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I was talking about some rankings somewhere showing how Bama had the third best defense in 2018.
My QB won't be bringing his dad with him anywhere, won't be calling anyone a queer on tweeter, won't be evading questioned asked of him. He will tell dad to butt out, respect everyone on tweeter and if asked a question will look you in the eye and answer it.
I need a leader of men, that won't be Kylar Murray.
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smbkrypt24
Footballguy
Sorry I forgot numbers so it was probably hard to follow.
1. Clemson
2. Georgia
3. Alabama
Will you answer my previous question now. Your rankings had Fresno St. and Appalachian State Top 5. Are we seriously arguing either defense is in the same stratosphere as Alabama.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I cant help but read this last page or two and think about this quote
I was obviously going with the actual rankings, as we saw Bama at 12. Was curious where Bama was ranked number three and still haven't seen it.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Yeah it's not really worth engaging in intelligent conversation with you so I will bow out - but this is spin because you changed your original argument (he can't run against non Big 12 defenses) and concentrate solely on the one stat that sort of helps your argument while ignoring everything else that he did against Alabama.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
There is no single, "actual" ranking.
You honestly don't think Bama's defense was top 3 last year?
An intelligent person doesn't have some guy sticking his tongue out as an avatar and my comment was obviously....things will be different in the NFL....to go off into , what about Alabama, sheesh~~~~
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I would have to do some homework before I would know. I doubt Clemson thought that.
I doubt that very seriously, I'd go as far as to say MOST intelligent people have no idea who that is.
I just showed my wife who has a degree from UCLA in Child Development and owns her own business, she ......you know I don't do that silly internet thing right? Don't know and don't care.
That's an intelligent person.
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smbkrypt24
Footballguy
I am trying to have an intelligent conversation with you on why Fresno St. and appalachian state could possibly be in that top 5 and you take it seriously, but I have asked twice nd you refuse to answer my question. I am not sure I can continue trying to further this discussion.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I already told you I was obviously just showing you the rankings, showing that Bama was not ranked number three. This was where you find something showing them ranked number three. Where did you get that number three ranking at and I have you that a few times, where is Bama ranked number three?
Fresno State/App State, wouldn't make a zit on the butt of Alabama but that isn't how any of this works it's done by numbers. I just assumed everybody understands that.
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Concept Coop
Footballguy
Bama was a top 3 defense last year. That's not a controversial statment. And no, it's not done by numbers. Competition varies greatly from schedule to schedule and conference to conference. You have to take college stats with a grain of salt.
Maybe calm down a bit. No need to defend your hot takes so aggresively.
Well when it comes to actual ranking it's all about the numbers.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/statistics/team/_/stat/total/position/defense
I was talking what the "actual" ranking had.
All of us know how it all works, there is a reason a 12-0 Boise State team will never play for the title, we know how ir works, BUT....when talking the real ranking, there they are.
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
The rankings you posted are listed based on total yards.
This doesn't take into account strength of schedule at all.
Your rankings are garbage which is what I have been trying to say. Your original rankings had Fresno St. and App top 5 and Alabama 12.
If you are not able to recognize the flaw there you are beyond helpless.
It's more like this.
Zeno....I think Joe is selling drugs, way too many people coming and going at alll hours of the night.
Poster....nay, he just keeps weird hours.
Two days later....Joe gets pooped for sales.
All Casserly did was agree with what I was thinking.
What stat?
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Work with me here, ok?
I was simply showing you the actual rankings as flawed as they might be, you really don't get that? Really?
YES, it is about total yards given up, that is how this is done.
Call it anything ya want, but......those are the rankings.
Now, where did you get Bama was the third ranked D in the NCAA at? Where is that at, where did you get that from?
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