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QB Kyler Murray, ARZ (2 Viewers)

While the smart thing is obviously to choose baseball gotta give the kid props for choosing what he truly wants to play. Can’t see too many positives with the football choice so wish him the best of luck. 

 
Elevencents said:
While the smart thing is obviously to choose baseball gotta give the kid props for choosing what he truly wants to play. Can’t see too many positives with the football choice so wish him the best of luck. 
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Not if he remains a top half 1st round pick.

 
Elevencents said:
While the smart thing is obviously to choose baseball gotta give the kid props for choosing what he truly wants to play. Can’t see too many positives with the football choice so wish him the best of luck. 
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matuski said:
Not if he remains a top half 1st round pick.
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And depends entirely upon the definition of “smart.” Fame? Gotta be as a franchise QB in the NFL. Easiest path to instant stardom? NFL. Money? Really depends upon his success in either sport. Long-term mental health?  MLB, without question.

 
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SayWhat? said:
And depends entirely upon the definition of “smart.” Fame? Gotta be as a franchise QB in the NFL. Easiest path to instant stardom? NFL. Money? Really depends upon his success in either sport. Long-term mental health?  MLB, without question.
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Financially is all that matters at the end.

The NFL is the smart move assuming he doesn't drop in the draft.  He has $5mill in baseball, and I dont hear anyone sounding all that sure he would make it to the big leagues.  Minor league life is not sexy.

Mental health? I don't see how you quantify that.

 
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matuski said:
Financially is all that matters at the end.

The NFL is the smart move assuming he doesn't drop in the draft.  He has $5mill in baseball, and I dont hear anyone sounding all that sure he would make it to the big leagues.  Minor league life is not sexy.

Mental health? I don't see how you quantify that.
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Financially is all that matters in the end?  Boy, go tell that to the countless NFL players with CTE.  Bet a lot of them and their families would disagree that financially is all that matters if they could do it all over again.  

The reason it could be considered “smart” to choose baseball, is he’d have a near zero chance of having a mushed brain that misfires regularly when he reaches his 40s and 50s.  That’s how I’m quantifying mental health.  Now the risks for QBs are lessened in today’s game, but they still exist. 

Agree with you 100% that the path to MLB through the minors would suck, with far more risk that his career in baseball flames out when compared to football.  Financially, I think he he’s more of a sure thing in the NFL too.  But I wouldn’t fault anyone for choosing the professional path in baseball over football, as that still sets you up for life and protects your health far more than football.  And it might just be the “smart” choice.

 
SayWhat? said:
And depends entirely upon the definition of “smart.” Fame? Gotta be as a franchise QB in the NFL. Easiest path to instant stardom? NFL. Money? Really depends upon his success in either sport. Long-term mental health?  MLB, without question.
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Yeah that’s fair. My use of smart was in regards to potential career longevity and chance of physically debilitating life long issues. If he wants to be “the man” for a few years and all the perks that come with being an NFL QB then baseball won’t hold a light to it. I feel like it’s a lot harder to stand out in baseball and he could end up JAG. 

 
SayWhat? said:
Financially is all that matters in the end?  Boy, go tell that to the countless NFL players with CTE.  Bet a lot of them and their families would disagree that financially is all that matters if they could do it all over again.  

The reason it could be considered “smart” to choose baseball, is he’d have a near zero chance of having a mushed brain that misfires regularly when he reaches his 40s and 50s.  That’s how I’m quantifying mental health.  Now the risks for QBs are lessened in today’s game, but they still exist. 

Agree with you 100% that the path to MLB through the minors would suck, with far more risk that his career in baseball flames out when compared to football.  Financially, I think he he’s more of a sure thing in the NFL too.  But I wouldn’t fault anyone for choosing the professional path in baseball over football, as that still sets you up for life and protects your health far more than football.  And it might just be the “smart” choice.
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Football is the only sport with CTE?

He already played years and years of football.. do only NFL football players get CTE?

Seems to me that shipped already sailed.  

 
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matuski said:
Football is the only sport with CTE?

He already played years and years of football.. do only NFL football players get CTE?

Seems to me that shipped already sailed.  
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Well we’re talking his options of football vs baseball, so I suppose those are the only two sports I care about in this discussion.  

Lots of cases of MLB players with CTE being reported?  Shoot, any ever reported?

 
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Murray allegedly checing in at 206 lbs right now

KYLER MURRAYQB, COLLEGE PLAYER

NBC Sports' Peter King reports Kyler Murray is up to 206 pounds.

Murray's height -- likely below 5-foot-10 -- has gotten a lot of ink heading into the Combine, but his slight frame could end up being a bigger concern for scouts. If this report is true, however, it would show Murray has the ability to put on some more weight. As of last week, Murray had yet to decide if he will participate during the throwing drills at the Combine.
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NFL.com's Daniel Jeremiah ranks Oklahoma QB Kyler Murray 14th on his updated 2019 NFL Draft Board.

That's a huge jump for Murray, who ranked 29th on the previous edition of Jeremiah's board. That makes him the highest rated signal-caller on the list; four spots ahead of Ohio State's Dwayne Haskins. The commitment to football clearly helps Murray, as does the fact that this quarterback class -- while there's plenty of quantity -- lacks a bit in quality. Jeremiah cites concerns about his durability, but believes Murray "has the tools to be an NFL starter." Jeremiah also has heard that the quarterback has "bulked up" to 206 pounds, which could help the signal-caller handle blows from NFL pass-rushers more effectively.

SOURCE: NFL.com

Feb 25, 2019, 9:31 AM
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NFL.com's Tom Pelissero spoke with multiple evaluators who expressed uneasiness with the drama surrounding Oklahoma QB Kyler Murray.

One college scouting director told Pelissero, "The question is, OK, if he doesn't go to a team he wants, does he leave for baseball? If he's not starting or getting his way, is he going to go to baseball?," while an NFC exec said that he a drafting team could not "ever really feel comfortable" with Murray's proclamations that he is now solely ready for a career in football. An NFC personnel director put it all in more colorful terms, saying that "f you draft that guy, you've got to have some big balls." In his final pre-combine mock, Draft Analyst's Tony Pauline pegged Murray to the Redskins at No. 15, but he's very much in play for a top-10 selection, with top-five not out of the realm of possibility should a team fall in love over the next two months.





SOURCE: NFL.com





Feb 26, 2019, 10:56 AM
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Oklahoma HC Lincoln Riley denied reports that QB Kyler Murray's father, Kevin Murray, is "running the shots."

A report from NFL.com's Tom Pelissero on Tuesday states that teams are "uneasy" dealing with Murray, with some questioning his desire for football, and others wondering if Kevin was going to be someone they needed to deal with. Riley states that he never had one conversation with Kevin Murray about anything football related, and emphasized that the quarterback is giving up baseball because of his love of the game. This all seems a bit silly, but we can't control how teams feel about the star signal-caller. We'll see if these "concerns" still exist after the interviews at the combine.

SOURCE: Lincoln Riley on Twitter

Feb 26, 2019, 6:42 PM
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as a Dolphins fan, I'm crossing fingers he lands in Miami, and frankly, if they feel strongly about him I wouldn't mind if they went up to get him. 

 
I realize I'm probably in the minority and I tend to have somewhat extreme opinions about draft prospects, but I 100% love Murray's game. I think he's clearly the best QB in the draft, and likely the best player overall. If Mayfield didn't exist, I'd have him as the best QB of the last 6 years. Oklahoma really had themselves a Montana-Young situation. 

I like Josh Rosen as a prospect, despite his rough rookie season, but I would have no issue with the Cardinals going Murray at #1, and trading Rosen for at least 2 2nds, but likely still a 1st.

 
matuski said:
Who has made this up?  I don't know how tall he is.. what I know is that his listed heights have him shrinking twice since highschool, he doesn't do interviews with women in heels, his strength coach is defending him by throwing out the shortest height yet and telling us he wore socks.

I am leaning 5'7" myself, I have said I will take what the combine says.

UNACCEPTABLE MAN!  UNACCEPTABLE I SAY!
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5’7 eh... good call.

 
Rotoworld take:

Kyler Murray weighed in at 5-foot-10, 207 pounds at the Combine.

In fact, he was a shade over 5-foot-10 despite persistent rumors about his size. Perhaps even more importantly, his hands measured in at 9 1/2 inches. His height and weight will still undoubtedly be brought up as we move toward the draft, but these numbers, which compare favorably to Russell Wilson, have to be considered big wins for the Murray camp.

SOURCE: Adam Schefter on Twitter

Feb 28, 2019, 7:34 AM
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I think Murray could be absolute fantasy gold. Lamar Jackson levels of running but can throw the ball accurately ? Sign me up.  Will be really interested to see where he starts getting drafted in dynasty rookie drafts 

 
Crap.  I took the under.

So much for that tempest in a teapot.  Murray could well be in line for a top 5 pick.  Dare he even dream about 1.01?

 
Bronco Billy said:
Crap.  I took the under.

So much for that tempest in a teapot.  Murray could well be in line for a top 5 pick.  Dare he even dream about 1.01?
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No way in a QB1 league. Oh you meant overall real nfl. That could happen

 
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1.01 for the NFL draft, lock it up. He must have been eating like a manic the last 2 months packing on as much weight as possible. I would assume he's not doing any athletic drills. 

 
According to NFL.com's Ian Rapoport, Kyler Murray has informed multiple NFL scouts and personnel people that it is unlikely that he will throw at this week's NFL Scouting Combine.

Murray (5'10 1/8", 207) not participating in the passing drills in Indianapolis would not be much of a surprise, as it's quite common for high-level QB prospects to do so at a private workout or their alma mater's pro day instead. But it is worth noting that in Rapoport's report the writer stated that the Heisman Trophy winner could change his mind after seeing the other quarterbacks throw due to his competitive nature.

SOURCE: Ian Rapoport on Twitter

Feb 28, 2019, 8:16 AM
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TartanLion said:
I think Murray could be absolute fantasy gold. Lamar Jackson levels of running but can throw the ball accurately ? Sign me up.  Will be really interested to see where he starts getting drafted in dynasty rookie drafts 
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I would bet on Murray being a 1st round dynasty pick. 

 
ZWK reporting he has a 29.6 BMI... clown show calling this guy small and then others knocking 2-3 inches on assumptions. Does go to show just how short Doug Flutie is though.

 
-OZ- said:
Crazy thing is none of the teams with top 5 picks really need a QB. or at least might not - you could argue Arizona, Oakland or Tampa should take him but those QBs at least have a chance to be franchise guys. 
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Murray and/or Haskins will go top 5. There has only been one draft in the last decade where at least one QB didn’t go top 5. 

My guess is the top 3 teams sit tight and take Bosa, Williams, and Allen in some order. 

Then the fun begins. 

 
 Sigmund Bloom Retweeted

That I don’t know/predict...but been doing this long enough to see Murray at 1 clearly

Matt Williamson added,

Sigmund Bloom @SigmundBloom  Replying to @WilliamsonNFL

But to Arizona or Miami?

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Sigmund Bloom‏ @SigmundBloom 20h20 hours ago

The drumbeat is getting louder

Sigmund Bloom added,

Matt WilliamsonVerified account @WilliamsonNFL

Prediction: Kyler Murray goes first overall

 
Bracie Smathers said:
 Sigmund Bloom Retweeted

That I don’t know/predict...but been doing this long enough to see Murray at 1 clearly

Matt Williamson added,

Sigmund Bloom @SigmundBloom  Replying to @WilliamsonNFL

But to Arizona or Miami?

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Sigmund Bloom‏ @SigmundBloom 20h20 hours ago

The drumbeat is getting louder

Sigmund Bloom added,

Matt WilliamsonVerified account @WilliamsonNFL

Prediction: Kyler Murray goes first overall
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What would Miami have to give? Next year's first seems automatic. What else?

 
-OZ- said:
What would Miami have to give? Next year's first seems automatic. What else?
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Before someone asks, here is the trade value chart.

This is a good place to start in figuring out compensation.

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NFL Trade Value Chart

chart that demonstrates what each pick is worth. When a trade is made, general managers reference this chart to figure out what they must give up to move up in the draft.

link to actual chart

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1st pick = 3,000 points

13th pick = 1,300 points

Difference of 1.700 points which equates to the 13th plus the 5th pick in this draft.  Future 1st round picks are devalued so you cannot look at the current values for this year to determine value next year but 'on average' you could plug in a little less than 1,000 points for a future 1st round pick leaving a gap of 700 points which is significant.

The top 2nd round pick is worth 580 points, the Dolphins 2nd round pick is worth 450 points leaving a gap of 120 points which is a late 3rd round pick.

So, to make it fair Miami would have to give up their 1st and 2nd this year plus their 2020 1st and 3rd according to the NFL trade value chart.

EDIT:  Oops, misread the chart, the 13th pick is only worth 1,150 points so the gap is higher = 1,850 points but the compensation is still in the general ballpark of giving up the 13th pick in the first and their 2nd round pick this year, plus their 1st and 3rd next year.

 
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Grahamburn said:
What's the biggest trade back from the #1 pick in NFL Draft History? 

History of Trading the First Overall Pick

It hasn't happened often.  To me it's less about Miami coming up and more about Arizona being willing to drop that far back. 
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Cecil Lammey has been reporting for months that Arizona isn't thrilled with Rosen's behavior.  The most recent 'odd thing' is Rosen deleted all of his Arizona pics but said his account got hacked.

If they can deal Rosen, and it seems they could get a bundle for him, then they could take Kyler #1 and get at least a top-ten pick this year plus more.

I have said all along that Murray would fit perfectly with the Giants from a supporting cast skill player view but the Giants have staunchly selected big-tall QBs.  Foles will play a role because the 'logical' destination is Jacksonville but rarely does logic and NFL FA play out IMHO.  

If Kliff Klingsburry the new HC in Zona is going to install his air raid offense then Rosen does not fit at all.  Murray is the obvious choice.  Klingsburry got hired on the strength of his offense prowess so it makes sense that he and the Cardinals would want to play to his coaching strength.

 
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