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Anarchy99
Footballguy
Which is odd, since HC BB is a walking Wikipedia.
dipandglide
Footballguy
What are your thoughts on Jones? Do you think he and the offense bounce back?
Anarchy99
Footballguy
If the question is about the overall state of the offense, I think the Pats will look much improved and be similar to their 2021 production levels. So Top 10-15 in the league in points and yardage. IMO, Bill O'Brien will add more than any player added to the offense. NE has many of the same players as they did in 2021 but added some others that are potentially better than those that left. However, I still don't see Jones being much of a fantasy asset. They will still run the ball a lot, and I think BB is still intent on trying to keep scores down and playing keep away to limit how much the other team's offense is on the field. Stevenson is obviously a fantasy asset, but they don't have a ton else. I've been hearing for months they are trying to make Tyquan Thornton heavily involved in the offense. The O-line (or lack thereof) could be a huge problem. Jones is not the type of QB that can ad lib and make things happen on the fly. He melts under pressure and far too often chucks the ball up for grabs in those situations (and gets picked off).
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Mac Jones running the RPO against NFL defenders?
Boston
Footballguy
I am not a Volin fan but this is not stirring the spot…a multitude of sources have reported that there is some type of “coldness” between Jones and BB…if he plays well it won‘t matter but this is not Volin looking for clicks.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Volin is reaching on this. BB and Mac aren't going out for beers after practice, but Jones has been leading everything there is to lead in practice, getting the huge majority of first team reps, and Zappe hasn't even had a chance to show anything because he hasn't had much time doing much in practice. BB and TB were thought to have an icy relationship too. BB even said when Brady was there that everyone was competing for a job. BB is still irked that Jones took his complaints outside the organization last year.
The huge majority of local guys don't think there is a competition or that Zappe is anything other than the first guy off the bench should Jones get hurt. BB has handed Jones over to BOB and stayed out of the way. Yet national guys like Florio are the ones trying to make it out like there is some huge chasm between Jones and Belichick. He could have stuck with Zappe last year when Jones got hurt but didn't. He could have drafted / signed / traded for someone else but didn't. He may not love Jones, but he is their guy for this year (and they will reevaluate after this season what they want to do).
The stuff that was insinuated this week that the Kraft's are going to have to pick between Bill and Mac is silly. As far as I am concerned, this is the silly season for reporting. There isn't anything going on on the field, and there's nothing going on in terms of player movement. Reporters can throw whatever they want out there to keep some sort of interest or dialogue going. Volin took it on the chin last year when a random person texted him a made up story and he ran with it . . . he didn't even vet it or research it and called the guy "an inside source." He's way down the list in terms of who I trust and find credible.
I personally think both things are true.
Boston
Footballguy
Exactly…he is grouping the two things together…their relationship won’t matter if he plays well…that being said if Mac struggles for an extended period of time I have zero doubts that they won’t turn to Zappe but that is not because of BB’s relationship with Mac but because he can‘t afford to have another down season especially if it ends and you have have uncertainty at the QB position for the future.
Harry Frogfish
Footballguy
If you're not a Patriots fan, the longer Mac is in the mix, the better. The kid actually thinks he's done something. Hello, you played for Alabama.
He's got time still, of course, but he's a bust, imo. Time will tell, and that's the fun part about this stuff, but I don't see it, at all.
He's got time still, of course, but he's a bust, imo. Time will tell, and that's the fun part about this stuff, but I don't see it, at all.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Well why would you think he's going to amount to anything?
- he's not mobile (you know the list)
- he's not big dude (Josh Allen)
- he's not laid back (Justin Herbert, Joe Burrow)
Point is, there is insufficient data to know if his career trajectory is indicated by 2021 or 2022. This year will tell.
Boston
Footballguy
Matt Light being pretty direct...will be interesting to see if Mac has matured...BB hung him out to dry last year with Patricia...no debating that but I don't see this offense being too good so it will be interesting to see if he can maintain his composure.
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Why Matt Light didn't like what he saw from Mac Jones last season
Former Patriots offensive lineman Matt Light joins Tom E. Curran’s Patriots Talk Podcast to discuss why he took issue with Mac Jones’ antics last season.
www.nbcsportsboston.com
Chaka
Footballguy
Pound sand Matt Light.Matt Light being pretty direct...will be interesting to see if Mac has matured...BB hung him out to dry last year with Patricia...no debating that but I don't see this offense being too good so it will be interesting to see if he can maintain his composure.
Why Matt Light didn't like what he saw from Mac Jones last season
Former Patriots offensive lineman Matt Light joins Tom E. Curran’s Patriots Talk Podcast to discuss why he took issue with Mac Jones’ antics last season.
"Mac didn't act like the best QB ever! Booooo"
His whole take boils down to "Listen to your elders" which is barely a stone's throw from "I was just following orders." It's far more nuanced than that Matt.
Jones probably should have waited until they were off the field. My guess is he mostly did.
Jones may have been a locker room distraction, I doubt it but maybe. Or maybe the entire roster knowing Patricia & Judge were in way over their heads was a locker room distraction.
Patricia & Judge earned their public floggings.
Boston
Footballguy
Pound sand Matt Light.Matt Light being pretty direct...will be interesting to see if Mac has matured...BB hung him out to dry last year with Patricia...no debating that but I don't see this offense being too good so it will be interesting to see if he can maintain his composure.
Why Matt Light didn't like what he saw from Mac Jones last season
Former Patriots offensive lineman Matt Light joins Tom E. Curran’s Patriots Talk Podcast to discuss why he took issue with Mac Jones’ antics last season.
"Mac didn't act like the best QB ever! Booooo"
His whole take boils down to "Listen to your elders" which is barely a stone's throw from "I was just following orders." It's far more nuanced than that Matt.
Jones probably should have waited until they were off the field. My guess is he mostly did.
Jones may have been a locker room distraction, I doubt it but maybe. Or maybe the entire roster knowing Patricia & Judge were in way over their heads was a locker room distraction.
Patricia & Judge earned their public floggings.
Laugh at telling Matt Light to pound sand...guy is as legit as you get.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
There is definitely a giant disconnect between what the media sees and how the team views itself. On a Callahan / Kyed podcast, they mentioned the offense is dialed in, very excited, and can't wait to get started. They all love Mac, have great confidence in him and their prospects for the season, and are all bonding and rallying to support each other. In general, the team members seem to have way better chemistry, they are in a good place, and there is much more positivity coming out of camp. Compare that to most of the media that has mostly bashed them, with many people thinking they will have the worst record in the BB era. Maybe that team dynamic will change if / when / once they start the season on a big losing streak, but for now, they think they are a legit contender (at least that's their mindset).Matt Light being pretty direct...will be interesting to see if Mac has matured...BB hung him out to dry last year with Patricia...no debating that but I don't see this offense being too good so it will be interesting to see if he can maintain his composure.
Why Matt Light didn't like what he saw from Mac Jones last season
Former Patriots offensive lineman Matt Light joins Tom E. Curran’s Patriots Talk Podcast to discuss why he took issue with Mac Jones’ antics last season.
Boston
Footballguy
There is definitely a giant disconnect between what the media sees and how the team views itself. On a Callahan / Kyed podcast, they mentioned the offense is dialed in, very excited, and can't wait to get started. They all love Mac, have great confidence in him and their prospects for the season, and are all bonding and rallying to support each other. In general, the team members seem to have way better chemistry, they are in a good place, and there is much more positivity coming out of camp. Compare that to most of the media that has mostly bashed them, with many people thinking they will have the worst record in the BB era. Maybe that team dynamic will change if / when / once they start the season on a big losing streak, but for now, they think they are a legit contender (at least that's their mindset).Matt Light being pretty direct...will be interesting to see if Mac has matured...BB hung him out to dry last year with Patricia...no debating that but I don't see this offense being too good so it will be interesting to see if he can maintain his composure.
Why Matt Light didn't like what he saw from Mac Jones last season
Former Patriots offensive lineman Matt Light joins Tom E. Curran’s Patriots Talk Podcast to discuss why he took issue with Mac Jones’ antics last season.
I don't think you are seeing this dynamic correctly...I fully get that there is a good vibe and I think that is how it is with most teams in August...after the Patricia embarrassment it has to be like getting out of prison for the offensive players...that is not what the media is zeroing in on...they are looking at the talent and the holes...most don't have faith that good coaching can overcome that...until they see actual results it will remain that way.
Boston
Footballguy
Giardi with a good article on Mac about how he is mentally in a better spot and how he understood he had to mature:
This shift started with Jones, who took a deep dive into his actions and response to what happened around him last season. Teammates told me back in the spring that the former first-rounder had already found a better place mentally and was translating into his workouts. Jones understood that for him to be the leader the Pats needed him to be - and player - he'd need to win back select parts of the locker room underwhelmed by his play and actions. Mission accomplished, at least to this point.
This shift started with Jones, who took a deep dive into his actions and response to what happened around him last season. Teammates told me back in the spring that the former first-rounder had already found a better place mentally and was translating into his workouts. Jones understood that for him to be the leader the Pats needed him to be - and player - he'd need to win back select parts of the locker room underwhelmed by his play and actions. Mission accomplished, at least to this point.
Chaka
Footballguy
Dude was a heckuva player.Pound sand Matt Light.Matt Light being pretty direct...will be interesting to see if Mac has matured...BB hung him out to dry last year with Patricia...no debating that but I don't see this offense being too good so it will be interesting to see if he can maintain his composure.
Why Matt Light didn't like what he saw from Mac Jones last season
Former Patriots offensive lineman Matt Light joins Tom E. Curran’s Patriots Talk Podcast to discuss why he took issue with Mac Jones’ antics last season.
"Mac didn't act like the best QB ever! Booooo"
His whole take boils down to "Listen to your elders" which is barely a stone's throw from "I was just following orders." It's far more nuanced than that Matt.
Jones probably should have waited until they were off the field. My guess is he mostly did.
Jones may have been a locker room distraction, I doubt it but maybe. Or maybe the entire roster knowing Patricia & Judge were in way over their heads was a locker room distraction.
Patricia & Judge earned their public floggings.
Laugh at telling Matt Light to pound sand...guy is as legit as you get.
That was as "hot takish" of a comment as it gets. QBs & coaches yell at each other all the time, including the great Tom Brady.
Boston
Footballguy
Dude was a heckuva player.Pound sand Matt Light.Matt Light being pretty direct...will be interesting to see if Mac has matured...BB hung him out to dry last year with Patricia...no debating that but I don't see this offense being too good so it will be interesting to see if he can maintain his composure.
Why Matt Light didn't like what he saw from Mac Jones last season
Former Patriots offensive lineman Matt Light joins Tom E. Curran’s Patriots Talk Podcast to discuss why he took issue with Mac Jones’ antics last season.
"Mac didn't act like the best QB ever! Booooo"
His whole take boils down to "Listen to your elders" which is barely a stone's throw from "I was just following orders." It's far more nuanced than that Matt.
Jones probably should have waited until they were off the field. My guess is he mostly did.
Jones may have been a locker room distraction, I doubt it but maybe. Or maybe the entire roster knowing Patricia & Judge were in way over their heads was a locker room distraction.
Patricia & Judge earned their public floggings.
Laugh at telling Matt Light to pound sand...guy is as legit as you get.
That was as "hot takish" of a comment as it gets. QBs & coaches yell at each other all the time, including the great Tom Brady.
Matt Light and hot takes...yeah, sure, that's his style...It wasn't yelling at players...it went beyond that and it is pretty obvious Mac knew it was an issue because it appears he has corrected it.
massraider
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
Okay, maybe it wasn't a "hot take" but it was a bad take. I honestly thought I was making a non controversial statement.Dude was a heckuva player.Pound sand Matt Light.Matt Light being pretty direct...will be interesting to see if Mac has matured...BB hung him out to dry last year with Patricia...no debating that but I don't see this offense being too good so it will be interesting to see if he can maintain his composure.
Why Matt Light didn't like what he saw from Mac Jones last season
Former Patriots offensive lineman Matt Light joins Tom E. Curran’s Patriots Talk Podcast to discuss why he took issue with Mac Jones’ antics last season.
"Mac didn't act like the best QB ever! Booooo"
His whole take boils down to "Listen to your elders" which is barely a stone's throw from "I was just following orders." It's far more nuanced than that Matt.
Jones probably should have waited until they were off the field. My guess is he mostly did.
Jones may have been a locker room distraction, I doubt it but maybe. Or maybe the entire roster knowing Patricia & Judge were in way over their heads was a locker room distraction.
Patricia & Judge earned their public floggings.
Laugh at telling Matt Light to pound sand...guy is as legit as you get.
That was as "hot takish" of a comment as it gets. QBs & coaches yell at each other all the time, including the great Tom Brady.
Matt Light and hot takes...yeah, sure, that's his style...It wasn't yelling at players...it went beyond that and it is pretty obvious Mac knew it was an issue because it appears he has corrected it.
And I didn't say anything about yelling at players.
It's good that Jones may keep it behind closed doors going forward (we'll see if/when things go south). But the notion that it "divided the locker" or whatever Light was implying is a huge reach.
massraider
Footballguy
Everyone thinks Patricia was a mistake, but the guy who isn't "allowed" to mention it is the guy who is most affected. Copy that.
Da Franchise
Footballguy
I absolutely love watching this loser lose.
Wildcat
Footballguy
Classy
Da Franchise
Footballguy
Yeah see, there’s this cool thing about sports where you get to root for teams and players you like and root against the opposite.
Wildcat
Footballguy
There is also this cool thing about life where you can choose to have class or choose not to, regardless of how you feel about a sports team or player.
Da Franchise
Footballguy
Sorry, I’ll channel my inner Rob Lowe and just wear an NFL hat and root every player on every team and try to be better. Have a nice day.
The Frankman
Footballguy
Anarchy99
Footballguy
The anomaly was the 54 passing attempts. I would not expect NE to throw the ball that much every week, and the Pats will rely more on the run than they showed yesterday. Mac should be a middle of the road fantasy QB option this year, and I doubt Jones will end up outpacing Smith or Goff.
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Proteus
Footballguy
And just to drill down on this, you have no faith that NE is decidedly more pass heavy by design?
Anarchy99
Footballguy
To summarize what I posted in other threads this offseason, BOB historically has a 55/45 pass-to-run ratio. IMO, a lot will depend on game script. Given the high-profile offense NE will face this year, it will be in their best interest to have time consuming drives to limit teams from racking up huge point totals (and to keep the NE defense off the field).
The talk most of training camp was to have a balanced, less predictable offense. They don't have the horses or talent at WR to air the ball out regularly. Jones should be better working with BOB, but I doubt he will be in the Mahomes / Burrow / Herbert class. Last year he caved when pressured, and I think the OL is still a weakness. In his first two seasons, that's when Mac got sloppy, made some really bad decisions, and threw some really ugly picks.
I'd like to think maybe Jones is starting to be more productive (10 TD passes in his last 4 games) and could be a more consistent fantasy contributor. But at least for now, I still wonder how consistent he can be (and if the offense can be productive week to week).
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I am not surprised by how things have looked so far. New OC and line coach. Lots of OL injuries (10 different linemen have played the first two games) with combinations that have never practiced or played together before. JJSS, Gesicki, Elliott new to the team. JuJu, Parker, and Thornton banged up. Douglas and Boutte rookies (and two rookies on the OL). Two playoff teams for opponents. They had their final play overturned in the last minute in both games when they were in position to win or tie. Yes, they didn't pull those games out and are 0-2 and have struggled some offensively, but they have been competitive even with sub-optimal injury issues.
dipandglide
Footballguy
Jones has looked good. He isn't the problem.
dschuler
Footballguy
I agree. I definitely think he would get a starting job somewhere else if they let him go. Worst weapons in football belongs to the Patriots. I’m not sure if there is a close second.
Boston
Footballguy
Mac has his limitations, but BB has done him no favors in his development...Patricia last year was a fire-able offense (no pun intended) for almost any other HC and he has not surrounded Mac with legit skill position players to aid in his development...the line does have its share of injuries but when healthy they are starting a player more suited to being a backup at RT and a talented yet extremely unreliable LT in Trent Brown (betting on him to play 17 games is irresponsible) so it is more than an injury situation...the tackle position should be in better shape when you have a young QB who is not overly mobile...Mac will never be elite but he is a QB that you can win with IF he is surrounded by the right talent...unfortunately BB the GM has seen fit to do otherwise since Mac has arrived and that has not helped in his development.
