QB Marcus Mariota, WAS (2 Viewers)

[mr roboto]

Here's my feeling on Mariota vs Winston...

Arm Talent - Winston

Athleticism - Mariota

Character - Mariota

Progressions/Reads - Winston

Throwing on Run/Play Breakdown - Mariota

Accuracy - Prob Winston but it's kind of hard to tell

Highest Ceiling - Mariota

Highest Floor - Mariota (because Winston's floor is jail).

Highest probability of Medicore success - Winston

Who would I draft if I were Tampa? Mariota. Let him sit a year.

 

[jurb26]

Here's my feeling on Mariota vs Winston...

Arm Talent - Winston

Athleticism - Mariota

Character - Mariota

Progressions/Reads - Winston

Throwing on Run/Play Breakdown - Mariota

Accuracy - Prob Winston but it's kind of hard to tell

Highest Ceiling - Mariota

Highest Floor - Mariota (because Winston's floor is jail).

Highest probability of Medicore success - Winston

Who would I draft if I were Tampa? Mariota. Let him sit a year.

Accuracy is Winston hands down. Otherwise I agree with this pretty much.

 

[mr roboto]

Here's my feeling on Mariota vs Winston...

Arm Talent - Winston

Athleticism - Mariota

Character - Mariota

Progressions/Reads - Winston

Throwing on Run/Play Breakdown - Mariota

Accuracy - Prob Winston but it's kind of hard to tell

Highest Ceiling - Mariota

Highest Floor - Mariota (because Winston's floor is jail).

Highest probability of Medicore success - Winston

Who would I draft if I were Tampa? Mariota. Let him sit a year.

Accuracy is Winston hands down. Otherwise I agree with this pretty much.

Would you allow for a completion % stat or is 'the system' to strong of a factor? That's why I'm leaving that up in the air.

 

[jurb26]

Here's my feeling on Mariota vs Winston...

Arm Talent - Winston

Athleticism - Mariota

Character - Mariota

Progressions/Reads - Winston

Throwing on Run/Play Breakdown - Mariota

Accuracy - Prob Winston but it's kind of hard to tell

Highest Ceiling - Mariota

Highest Floor - Mariota (because Winston's floor is jail).

Highest probability of Medicore success - Winston

Who would I draft if I were Tampa? Mariota. Let him sit a year.

Accuracy is Winston hands down. Otherwise I agree with this pretty much.

Would you allow for a completion % stat or is 'the system' to strong of a factor? That's why I'm leaving that up in the air.

The system doesn't matter to me. I watch and grade the throws. Mariota had a great statistical game vs. FSU and threw a ton of bad passes. 14 inaccurate by my count. Many of them were still caught because the guys are so wide open. Doesn't change the fact the passes were inaccurate.

 

[lod01]

The Bucs should take all they can from Chip Kelly/Philly and stink another year and grab a better QB.

 

[Capella]

The Bucs should take all they can from Chip Kelly/Philly and stink another year and grab a better QB.

Lovie can't stink like that again. Not going to happen.

 

[Insein]

The Bucs should take all they can from Chip Kelly/Philly and stink another year and grab a better QB.

A) Bucs have never had a true franchise QB

B) It took 3 1sts and a 2nd to move from 6 to 2 in 2012. There's not enough first round picks for the next 10 years to make it worthwhile to TB to move from 1 to 20.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

The Bucs should take all they can from Chip Kelly/Philly and stink another year and grab a better QB.

A) Bucs have never had a true franchise QB

Steve Young (but he needed Bill Walsh/George Seifert/Mike Holmgren to realize his full potential).

 

[Capella]

The Bucs should take all they can from Chip Kelly/Philly and stink another year and grab a better QB.

A) Bucs have never had a true franchise QBB) It took 3 1sts and a 2nd to move from 6 to 2 in 2012. There's not enough first round picks for the next 10 years to make it worthwhile to TB to move from 1 to 20.

Amen man.

 

[cstu]

Here's my feeling on Mariota vs Winston...

Arm Talent - Winston

Athleticism - Mariota

Character - Mariota

Progressions/Reads - Winston

Throwing on Run/Play Breakdown - Mariota

Accuracy - Prob Winston but it's kind of hard to tell

Highest Ceiling - Mariota

Highest Floor - Mariota (because Winston's floor is jail).

Highest probability of Medicore success - Winston

Who would I draft if I were Tampa? Mariota. Let him sit a year.

Accuracy is Winston hands down. Otherwise I agree with this pretty much.

Would you allow for a completion % stat or is 'the system' to strong of a factor? That's why I'm leaving that up in the air.

The system doesn't matter to me. I watch and grade the throws. Mariota had a great statistical game vs. FSU and threw a ton of bad passes. 14 inaccurate by my count. Many of them were still caught because the guys are so wide open. Doesn't change the fact the passes were inaccurate.

It must blow your mind that he is so highly regarded by highly respected football people.

 

[mr roboto]

Stats compiled over 300 distinct occurrences have 0 credibility cause I watched a 2% sample and despite the corresponding stats I didn't like the way they looked!

 

[Grahamburn]

Here's my feeling on Mariota vs Winston...

Arm Talent - Winston

Athleticism - Mariota

Character - Mariota

Progressions/Reads - Winston

Throwing on Run/Play Breakdown - Mariota

Accuracy - Prob Winston but it's kind of hard to tell

Highest Ceiling - Mariota

Highest Floor - Mariota (because Winston's floor is jail).

Highest probability of Medicore success - Winston

Who would I draft if I were Tampa? Mariota. Let him sit a year.

Accuracy is Winston hands down. Otherwise I agree with this pretty much.

Would you allow for a completion % stat or is 'the system' to strong of a factor? That's why I'm leaving that up in the air.

The system doesn't matter to me. I watch and grade the throws. Mariota had a great statistical game vs. FSU and threw a ton of bad passes. 14 inaccurate by my count. Many of them were still caught because the guys are so wide open. Doesn't change the fact the passes were inaccurate.

Recognizing the open receiver is a skill too. No QB makes pinpoint passes on every throw. The receivers have to make some plays.

It's funny how one of the excuses for Winston's interceptions is he had to force the ball into tight windows (I've even seen it described as a pro for him). You could say he just made bad decisions with the football?

Yet Mariota is chastised for making good ones.

 

[jurb26]

Here's my feeling on Mariota vs Winston...

Arm Talent - Winston

Athleticism - Mariota

Character - Mariota

Progressions/Reads - Winston

Throwing on Run/Play Breakdown - Mariota

Accuracy - Prob Winston but it's kind of hard to tell

Highest Ceiling - Mariota

Highest Floor - Mariota (because Winston's floor is jail).

Highest probability of Medicore success - Winston

Who would I draft if I were Tampa? Mariota. Let him sit a year.

Accuracy is Winston hands down. Otherwise I agree with this pretty much.

Would you allow for a completion % stat or is 'the system' to strong of a factor? That's why I'm leaving that up in the air.

The system doesn't matter to me. I watch and grade the throws. Mariota had a great statistical game vs. FSU and threw a ton of bad passes. 14 inaccurate by my count. Many of them were still caught because the guys are so wide open. Doesn't change the fact the passes were inaccurate.

Recognizing the open receiver is a skill too. No QB makes pinpoint passes on every throw. The receivers have to make some plays.

It's funny how one of the excuses for Winston's interceptions is he had to force the ball into tight windows (I've even seen it described as a pro for him). You could say he just made bad decisions with the football?

Yet Mariota is chastised for making good ones.

Chastised? Where did I do that? It's funny how so many of you can't separate some of these attributes.

 

[jurb26]

Here's my feeling on Mariota vs Winston...

Arm Talent - Winston

Athleticism - Mariota

Character - Mariota

Progressions/Reads - Winston

Throwing on Run/Play Breakdown - Mariota

Accuracy - Prob Winston but it's kind of hard to tell

Highest Ceiling - Mariota

Highest Floor - Mariota (because Winston's floor is jail).

Highest probability of Medicore success - Winston

Who would I draft if I were Tampa? Mariota. Let him sit a year.

Accuracy is Winston hands down. Otherwise I agree with this pretty much.

Would you allow for a completion % stat or is 'the system' to strong of a factor? That's why I'm leaving that up in the air.

The system doesn't matter to me. I watch and grade the throws. Mariota had a great statistical game vs. FSU and threw a ton of bad passes. 14 inaccurate by my count. Many of them were still caught because the guys are so wide open. Doesn't change the fact the passes were inaccurate.

It must blow your mind that he is so highly regarded by highly respected football people.

It doesn't blow my mind at all. I have him highly regarded as well. I'm just not blinded by things.

 

[Quez]

The Glazers pursued Chip Kelly so they're obviously open to running a system similar to Oregon's in the NFL.

The post-Malcom Glaziers are copycat owners.-Steelers win SB, they fire JG & hire young up & coming black coach like Tomlin, Raheem

-NYG wins SB they went and hired Mannings QB coach Sullivan

-Chip Kelly had a successful 1st season, so we let Tedford begin to transform the O-line into an athletic zone blocking one.

 

[Quez]

Stats compiled over 300 distinct occurrences have 0 credibility cause I watched a 2% sample and despite the corresponding stats I didn't like the way they looked!

Quoting college football stats is absurd.

 

[jurb26]

Stats compiled over 300 distinct occurrences have 0 credibility cause I watched a 2% sample and despite the corresponding stats I didn't like the way they looked!

How do you know I've only watched 2% of Mariota's games/throws?I can assure you it's been significantly more than that. Hell, I've got way more than that still recorded just from this year.

 

[Gandalf]

Stats compiled over 300 distinct occurrences have 0 credibility cause I watched a 2% sample and despite the corresponding stats I didn't like the way they looked!

How do you know I've only watched 2% of Mariota's games/throws?I can assure you it's been significantly more than that. Hell, I've got way more than that still recorded just from this year.

Yeah - jurb knows what's up. Silly to question his credibility.

 

[FUBAR]

The Bucs should take all they can from Chip Kelly/Philly and stink another year and grab a better QB.

A) Bucs have never had a true franchise QBB) It took 3 1sts and a 2nd to move from 6 to 2 in 2012. There's not enough first round picks for the next 10 years to make it worthwhile to TB to move from 1 to 20.

Foles +? Salary probably a huge issue but if that were workable, Foles could be a fair starting point.

Never happen, but it's fun to think about.

 

[MAC_32]

Here's my feeling on Mariota vs Winston...

Arm Talent - Winston

Athleticism - Mariota

Character - Mariota

Progressions/Reads - Winston

Throwing on Run/Play Breakdown - Mariota

Accuracy - Prob Winston but it's kind of hard to tell

Highest Ceiling - Mariota

Highest Floor - Mariota (because Winston's floor is jail).

Highest probability of Medicore success - Winston

Who would I draft if I were Tampa? Mariota. Let him sit a year.

Accuracy is Winston hands down. Otherwise I agree with this pretty much.

depends on how you grade accuracy. I think Mariota misses more throws, but they end in incompletions. Winston's miscues end in interceptions. I'd rather have the more inaccurate thrower that doesn't turn the ball over.

 

[mr roboto]

Stats compiled over 300 distinct occurrences have 0 credibility cause I watched a 2% sample and despite the corresponding stats I didn't like the way they looked!

How do you know I've only watched 2% of Mariota's games/throws?I can assure you it's been significantly more than that. Hell, I've got way more than that still recorded just from this year.

Sorry. Just going by your comment about the Sugar Bowl where you admitted he had a great statistical game yet was by your estimation inaccurate.

 

[jurb26]

Stats compiled over 300 distinct occurrences have 0 credibility cause I watched a 2% sample and despite the corresponding stats I didn't like the way they looked!

How do you know I've only watched 2% of Mariota's games/throws?I can assure you it's been significantly more than that. Hell, I've got way more than that still recorded just from this year.

Sorry. Just going by your comment about the Sugar Bowl where you admitted he had a great statistical game yet was by your estimation inaccurate.

Did you watch the game and come away with a different impression?

 

[jurb26]

Here's my feeling on Mariota vs Winston...

Arm Talent - Winston

Athleticism - Mariota

Character - Mariota

Progressions/Reads - Winston

Throwing on Run/Play Breakdown - Mariota

Accuracy - Prob Winston but it's kind of hard to tell

Highest Ceiling - Mariota

Highest Floor - Mariota (because Winston's floor is jail).

Highest probability of Medicore success - Winston

Who would I draft if I were Tampa? Mariota. Let him sit a year.

Accuracy is Winston hands down. Otherwise I agree with this pretty much.

depends on how you grade accuracy. I think Mariota misses more throws, but they end in incompletions. Winston's miscues end in interceptions. I'd rather have the more inaccurate thrower that doesn't turn the ball over.

That's because Mariota doesn't throw guys open or anticipate them breaking open. He sees an open guy and then throws, often late. The level of difficulty on the passes is night and day.Sure you can say Winston forces throws, I have many times, but Mariota will not get away with this in the NFL.

 

[mr roboto]

Stats compiled over 300 distinct occurrences have 0 credibility cause I watched a 2% sample and despite the corresponding stats I didn't like the way they looked!

How do you know I've only watched 2% of Mariota's games/throws?I can assure you it's been significantly more than that. Hell, I've got way more than that still recorded just from this year.

Sorry. Just going by your comment about the Sugar Bowl where you admitted he had a great statistical game yet was by your estimation inaccurate.

Did you watch the game and come away with a different impression?

I saw poor throws. It seemed like he settled down after the first half. Both QBs were less than impressive that first half. I get what you are saying but you don't get gaudy stats, ratings, completion % in any season at any level by being 'inaccurate'.

 

[jurb26]

Stats compiled over 300 distinct occurrences have 0 credibility cause I watched a 2% sample and despite the corresponding stats I didn't like the way they looked!

How do you know I've only watched 2% of Mariota's games/throws?I can assure you it's been significantly more than that. Hell, I've got way more than that still recorded just from this year.

Sorry. Just going by your comment about the Sugar Bowl where you admitted he had a great statistical game yet was by your estimation inaccurate.

Did you watch the game and come away with a different impression?

I saw poor throws. It seemed like he settled down after the first half. Both QBs were less than impressive that first half. I get what you are saying but you don't get gaudy stats, ratings, completion % in any season at any level by being 'inaccurate'.

I don't disagree but it's about perspective. He is inaccurate in correlation to Winston. That doesn't mean he is inaccurate in correlation to everyone else. I think Mariota misses way too many throws for the ease of his offense, personally. I also see the potential in his ability. They are separate things to me. He has a very good arm and can make any throw. He has clean mechanics with a quick delivery. He just misses a lot of easy throws or makes them harder than they need to be.

Case in point. There was a critical 3rd down conversion Oregon made with a simple flat pass where Mariota delivered the ball, late, high and inside. The WR made a great adjustment to catch the pass and pick up the first. The pass was extremely inaccurate. It was only caught because no defender was within 6 yds and it should have gone for at least 5 yds more had it been accurately thrown.

 

[mr roboto]

Jurb what do you make of some of the statistical conclusions in this article (repost from earlier in the thread). https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/12/31/mariota-vs-winston-by-the-numbers/

 

[jurb26]

Jurb what do you make of some of the statistical conclusions in this article (repost from earlier in the thread). https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/12/31/mariota-vs-winston-by-the-numbers/

I think the first paragraph is the most important.

"We have to start with the caveat that Mariota and Winston play in completely different systems so it’s not always apples to apples when comparing them. That said, as always, the PFF grades take into account the quarterback’s actual contribution on each play by evaluating their decision making, throw location, throw difficulty, and everything else that goes into a given play. Here’s a broad look at Mariota and Winston this season."

 

[MAC_32]

Here's my feeling on Mariota vs Winston...

Arm Talent - Winston

Athleticism - Mariota

Character - Mariota

Progressions/Reads - Winston

Throwing on Run/Play Breakdown - Mariota

Accuracy - Prob Winston but it's kind of hard to tell

Highest Ceiling - Mariota

Highest Floor - Mariota (because Winston's floor is jail).

Highest probability of Medicore success - Winston

Who would I draft if I were Tampa? Mariota. Let him sit a year.

Accuracy is Winston hands down. Otherwise I agree with this pretty much.

depends on how you grade accuracy. I think Mariota misses more throws, but they end in incompletions. Winston's miscues end in interceptions. I'd rather have the more inaccurate thrower that doesn't turn the ball over.

That's because Mariota doesn't throw guys open or anticipate them breaking open. He sees an open guy and then throws, often late. The level of difficulty on the passes is night and day.Sure you can say Winston forces throws, I have many times, but Mariota will not get away with this in the NFL.

i don't disagree about Mariota, but the number of turnovers from Winston given the level of competition is unacceptable.

 

[mr roboto]

Jurb what do you make of some of the statistical conclusions in this article (repost from earlier in the thread). https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/12/31/mariota-vs-winston-by-the-numbers/

I think the first paragraph is the most important. "We have to start with the caveat that Mariota and Winston play in completely different systems so its not always apples to apples when comparing them. That said, as always, the PFF grades take into account the quarterbacks actual contribution on each play by evaluating their decision making, throw location, throw difficulty, and everything else that goes into a given play. Heres a broad look at Mariota and Winston this season."

The numbers in that article are quite glaring.

 

[jurb26]

Jurb what do you make of some of the statistical conclusions in this article (repost from earlier in the thread). https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/12/31/mariota-vs-winston-by-the-numbers/

I think the first paragraph is the most important. "We have to start with the caveat that Mariota and Winston play in completely different systems so its not always apples to apples when comparing them. That said, as always, the PFF grades take into account the quarterbacks actual contribution on each play by evaluating their decision making, throw location, throw difficulty, and everything else that goes into a given play. Heres a broad look at Mariota and Winston this season."

The numbers in that article are quite glaring.

They are and they pretty much support that Mariota makes his living on bubble screens, post route and running. Let alone an abnormally high amount of play action. Like I've said in other college football threads, the key to stopping Oregon is to stop their middle run game. Dominating DTs who create mismatches and penetrate kill them because the entire offense relies on sucking LBs and S in to stop that run. They then use their speed advantage on the edges to create mismatches on the perimeter.

 

[Grahamburn]

Hopefully the team who spends a high pick on MM isn't planning on putting him in a traditional 7 stop drop read offense. That would be dumb.

 

[mr roboto]

Hopefully the team who spends a high pick on MM isn't planning on putting him in a traditional 7 stop drop read offense. That would be dumb.

No one runs this anymore (maybe Baltimore).

 

[Insein]

The Bucs should take all they can from Chip Kelly/Philly and stink another year and grab a better QB.

A) Bucs have never had a true franchise QBB) It took 3 1sts and a 2nd to move from 6 to 2 in 2012. There's not enough first round picks for the next 10 years to make it worthwhile to TB to move from 1 to 20.

Foles +? Salary probably a huge issue but if that were workable, Foles could be a fair starting point.

Never happen, but it's fun to think about.

Why would TB want Foles if they can have a supposedly better prospect?

 

[FUBAR]

The Bucs should take all they can from Chip Kelly/Philly and stink another year and grab a better QB.

A) Bucs have never had a true franchise QBB) It took 3 1sts and a 2nd to move from 6 to 2 in 2012. There's not enough first round picks for the next 10 years to make it worthwhile to TB to move from 1 to 20.

Foles +? Salary probably a huge issue but if that were workable, Foles could be a fair starting point.

Never happen, but it's fun to think about.

Why would TB want Foles if they can have a supposedly better prospect?

Maybe they don't think these QBs give them a better chance to win over the next few years?

 

[Insein]

The Bucs should take all they can from Chip Kelly/Philly and stink another year and grab a better QB.

A) Bucs have never had a true franchise QBB) It took 3 1sts and a 2nd to move from 6 to 2 in 2012. There's not enough first round picks for the next 10 years to make it worthwhile to TB to move from 1 to 20.

Foles +? Salary probably a huge issue but if that were workable, Foles could be a fair starting point.

Never happen, but it's fun to think about.

Why would TB want Foles if they can have a supposedly better prospect?

Maybe they don't think these QBs give them a better chance to win over the next few years?

So Foles and 6 firsts would get it done?

 

[Grahamburn]

Hopefully the team who spends a high pick on MM isn't planning on putting him in a traditional 7 stop drop read offense. That would be dumb.

No one runs this anymore (maybe Baltimore).

That's kind of my point. Basically all you're worried about is his ability to fit the ball into tighter windows in the NFL, which is a question for any QB coming out of college.

The intangibles and athleticism are what separate Mariota.

 

[Grahamburn]

The Bucs should take all they can from Chip Kelly/Philly and stink another year and grab a better QB.

A) Bucs have never had a true franchise QBB) It took 3 1sts and a 2nd to move from 6 to 2 in 2012. There's not enough first round picks for the next 10 years to make it worthwhile to TB to move from 1 to 20.

Foles +?Salary probably a huge issue but if that were workable, Foles could be a fair starting point.

Never happen, but it's fun to think about.

Why would TB want Foles if they can have a supposedly better prospect?

Maybe they don't think these QBs give them a better chance to win over the next few years?

So Foles and 6 firsts would get it done?

I mentioned in the Bucs' thread I'd be willing to take Foles (if he signed an extension), 2015 1st/2nd/4th and a 2016 1st. If the TB front office isn't sold on being able to develop Mariota and Philly offered that I wouldn't be disappointed.

Not sure why the Eagles have soured so much on Foles? He's shown he can play in this league, and that's worth something. Hypothetically, if Foles were entering the 2015 draft and you had him for five years he'd probably be the #1 pick.

 

[jurb26]

Hopefully the team who spends a high pick on MM isn't planning on putting him in a traditional 7 stop drop read offense. That would be dumb.

No one runs this anymore (maybe Baltimore).

That's kind of my point. Basically all you're worried about is his ability to fit the ball into tighter windows in the NFL, which is a question for any QB coming out of college.

The intangibles and athleticism are what separate Mariota.

This isn't the only worry at all.

 

[cstu]

Jurb what do you make of some of the statistical conclusions in this article (repost from earlier in the thread). https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/12/31/mariota-vs-winston-by-the-numbers/

I think the first paragraph is the most important."We have to start with the caveat that Mariota and Winston play in completely different systems so its not always apples to apples when comparing them. That said, as always, the PFF grades take into account the quarterbacks actual contribution on each play by evaluating their decision making, throw location, throw difficulty, and everything else that goes into a given play. Heres a broad look at Mariota and Winston this season."

The numbers in that article are quite glaring.

They are and they pretty much support that Mariota makes his living on bubble screens, post route and running. Let alone an abnormally high amount of play action. Like I've said in other college football threads, the key to stopping Oregon is to stop their middle run game. Dominating DTs who create mismatches and penetrate kill them because the entire offense relies on sucking LBs and S in to stop that run. They then use their speed advantage on the edges to create mismatches on the perimeter.

I don't disagree with you much on your observations, the difference in our views is in projecting Mariota's growth. He does have flaws in his game, as most college QB's do, but I see so many positive qualities that can be utilized in the NFL.

He'll absolutely have to adjust to the pro game (won't be easy which I why I've said I hope he spends a year on the bench), however any team that gets him should adjust their offense to take advantage of the mismatches you described. There are far less talented QB's playing in the NFL today who are doing well - Tannehill comes to mind - that I have little doubt that he'll be at least an average starter.

 

[Grahamburn]

He does seem like a more athletically talented version of Tannehill. Good comparison.

 

[fasteddie_21]

Here's my feeling on Mariota vs Winston...

Arm Talent - Winston

Athleticism - Mariota

Character - Mariota

Progressions/Reads - Winston

Throwing on Run/Play Breakdown - Mariota

Accuracy - Prob Winston but it's kind of hard to tell

Highest Ceiling - Mariota

Highest Floor - Mariota (because Winston's floor is jail).

Highest probability of Medicore success - Winston

Who would I draft if I were Tampa? Mariota. Let him sit a year.

Accuracy is Winston hands down. Otherwise I agree with this pretty much.

Explain the progression part to me? Routinely, MM goes 3, 4 receivers befire throwing....?

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Marcus Mariota - QB - Ducks

CBS Sports' Rob Rang cautions that it's "worth noting how few of [Oregon redshirt junior QB Marcus Mariota's] 26 completions [against Florida State] project to the next level."

"Approximately half of Oregon's pass plays were short bubble screens to the perimeter," Rang wrote. "Some of Mariota's best throws came on complementary routes built off these screens, such as the 30-yard touchdown lob to a wide-open Darren Carrington, who fooled the Seminoles' secondary into thinking he was going to block before releasing deep down the left sideline." To be fair, Rang called Mariota's performance "brilliant" and complimented his "terrific blend of speed and accuracy." Rang concluded: "His success in this attack does make his projection to a more traditional NFL offense more difficult."

Source: CBS Sports

Jan 5 - 7:26 PM

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

He does seem like a more athletically talented version of Tannehill. Good comparison.

I just don't see that. Tannehill has a rocket arm. He can rip that deep out with velocity. I didn't see anything like that from MM. Mariota has an edge in overall athleticism, but unless MM plans to make his living as a running QB, that won't really help him. Tannehill obviously has plenty of athleticism to play the position.

 

[-CE-]

He does seem like a more athletically talented version of Tannehill. Good comparison.

I just don't see that. Tannehill has a rocket arm. He can rip that deep out with velocity. I didn't see anything like that from MM. Mariota has an edge in overall athleticism, but unless MM plans to make his living as a running QB, that won't really help him. Tannehill obviously has plenty of athleticism to play the position.

You're kidding right? Tannehill is the guy that can't make a deep throw to save his life. His number one receiver quit on him this season because of how horrible he is at that.

I like Mariota, but he's far from a lock to succeed at the pro level... but Tannehill ranks near the end of the pile when it comes to the deep ball. You may say long ball accuracy =/= lack of a rocket arm, but I'd say there's probably a reason we don't have Olympic level javelin throwers in the NFL.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7417/ryan-tannehill

Tannehill took a major leap in his first season under OC Bill Lazor, who designed a high-percentage offense and emphasized his quarterback getting rid of the football quickly. Tannehill may always be limited from a deep-ball standpoint, but he progressed over the course of the year and is a plus athlete, a trait Lazor consistently put to use on read-option plays and designed QB runs. Tannehill finished the season with a 27:12 TD-to-INT ratio and a completion rate of nearly 67.0. His 392 completions set a Dolphins single-season record. 26 years old, Tannehill is on the fringe of "franchise quarterback" status. He is owed just $2 million in 2015, a contract year for Tannehill. The Dolphins will likely begin extension talks soon. Sun, Dec 28, 2014 06:31:00 PM

 

[mr roboto]

Deep ball isn't the same as slinging a 15 yd out. Tannehill has a stronger arm but sucks at timing and touch on deep passes. MM has above average arm strength.

Deep passes are not only a function of arm strength.

 

[-CE-]

Deep ball isn't the same as slinging a 15 yd out. Tannehill has a stronger arm but sucks at timing and touch on deep passes. MM has above average arm strength.

Deep passes are not only a function of arm strength.

I get what you're saying, that's what I was alluding to when I said this: You may say long ball accuracy =/= lack of a rocket arm, but I'd say there's probably a reason we don't have Olympic level javelin throwers in the NFL.

With that said, I think Tannehill is an apt comparison to Mariota, and I think questioning the "rocket arm. He can rip that deep out with velocity. " Isn't a valid point in Tannehill's favor.

 

[Grahamburn]

He does seem like a more athletically talented version of Tannehill. Good comparison.

I just don't see that. Tannehill has a rocket arm. He can rip that deep out with velocity. I didn't see anything like that from MM. Mariota has an edge in overall athleticism, but unless MM plans to make his living as a running QB, that won't really help him. Tannehill obviously has plenty of athleticism to play the position.

The combine and Mariota's pro day will be telling. Obviously they will ask him to make very throw. I've seen him rip several throws in the clips I've seen.

I don't think Mariota is simply a running QB. His passing numbers are too good even when you consider the system. The ability to run brings another level to his game, and if he can make all the "pro throws" his upside is astronomical.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

Deep ball isn't the same as slinging a 15 yd out. Tannehill has a stronger arm but sucks at timing and touch on deep passes. MM has above average arm strength.

Deep passes are not only a function of arm strength.

I get what you're saying, that's what I was alluding to when I said this: You may say long ball accuracy =/= lack of a rocket arm, but I'd say there's probably a reason we don't have Olympic level javelin throwers in the NFL.

With that said, I think Tannehill is an apt comparison to Mariota, and I think questioning the "rocket arm. He can rip that deep out with velocity. " Isn't a valid point in Tannehill's favor.

Tannehill can rip the deep 15 yard out. What he hasn't done is throw the 40+ yard bomb pass with accuracy to Wallace. I will be very interested to see if/when the Dolphins get a good jump ball WR if Tannehill dramatically improves his deep ball success. Wallace has speed, but he doesn't body position well and high point the deep ball.

http://www.thephinsider.com/2014/10/29/7088227/a-look-at-a-deep-pass-attempt-from-miami-dolphins-quarterback-ryan

Tannehill's arm >>>>> Mariota's arm. I've seen Tannehill consistently complete short to intermediate level, tight window, NFL throws. I think there is a real question if MM can do that.

 

[Grahamburn]

I wish MM would come out with a YouTube video of him just throwing the ball repeatedly through a bunch of tight windows and shattering them.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

I wish MM would come out with a YouTube video of him just throwing the ball repeatedly through a bunch of tight windows and shattering them.

Nice.

As someone that is a dynasty owner interested in a QB, I will be very interested to see him throw both next week and at the combine.