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QB Marcus Mariota, WAS (2 Viewers)
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Here's Marcus' high school highlights https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXFHH1DkfS8
I find it fascinating. He could sling it so far back then.
It's real curious that he has issues with the deep ball now. Some of his passes-on the run- are downright gorgeous throws 40 yards downfield.
Something else. They clearly have a common play where he rolls out and looks deep. Why can't the Titans do that? Is it an injury concern? He's fast enough to get away from trouble isn't he? He looks so comfy. Besides that he's clearly a superior athlete, that looks like where he can "operate" best. He can use the big arm or take off with his speed.
A simple google https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=mariota improved deep ball shows he had issues with the deep ball at Oregon too.
To use an old phrase "What gives"
I find it fascinating. He could sling it so far back then.
It's real curious that he has issues with the deep ball now. Some of his passes-on the run- are downright gorgeous throws 40 yards downfield.
Something else. They clearly have a common play where he rolls out and looks deep. Why can't the Titans do that? Is it an injury concern? He's fast enough to get away from trouble isn't he? He looks so comfy. Besides that he's clearly a superior athlete, that looks like where he can "operate" best. He can use the big arm or take off with his speed.
A simple google https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=mariota improved deep ball shows he had issues with the deep ball at Oregon too.
To use an old phrase "What gives"
To start with, when I'm talking about throwing deep (in this post), I'm referring to throws where he needs to hit a receiver in stride, 25+yards down field. I'm not including back-shoulder throws, come-back routes, etc.
From what I saw, many of his deep throws required his receivers to slow down to catch the ball (not all, but enough). On some of those plays, the receivers made the catch & were able to break free, or got tackled after the catch. In college, the defenders close quicker, so those completions maybe don't get made. In the NFL, even fewer get made.
HS defenses are inferior to college defenses, which are inferior to NFL defenses. Mariota has plenty of arm strength, from what I can tell, but his timing, accuracy, touch, etc may be lacking-making his deep throws less effective.
(Wasn't a reply to you. Just a common viewpoint by all, including me, that he doesn't throw a nice deep ball)Bayhawks said:
What? I'm watching again maybe I'm off here.
After a minute of text, at 1:14 is a nice one- over the shoulder and in stride during the intro.
Next is just to the TE
Screen then still pics for a minute or so
2:08. WR on left SL, over his shoulder and the DB drops it right in there. WR might slow down a little. Nah the alternate view doesn't look like he slows down
30-35 yard pass to guy cutting across back of end zone. He does slow down I think.
Run
Rolling out to avoid the rush, chucks it from his 35 down to opponents 20. WR is angling across. Hits him in stride. I could see maybe that WR went from a run to a jog to get it.
3:24 from his 47 to opp 17 over the shoulder TD, just a go route
run
4:10 he's rolling out throws on the run from his 33 to the EZ. WR angling towards corner of EZ, doesn't seem to slow down
run
mid range TD, roll out
run
5:30 in pocket WR in stride but not really, he's slowed some and turned back
5:36 what should be Titans bread N butter- a nice lob for short TD. Hopefully Plax's old coach uses something like that with DGB and Hunter.
similar play
5:43 lofts it so WR can run under it. Literally never seen him do this.
6:00 credit to WR, definitely came back in big way
2 mid range and then run
6:23 from his 15 to 50 in stride, WR is off to races
WR waiting
6:32 WR does a little stutter step slow down thing but that's common. Probably wouldn't say good throw or WR slowing down here-mulligan of sorts in this.
WR slows and adjusts right
one cut EZ route
Absolutely in stride 6:53, maybe mid not deep
A run and over the middle meh then another run
Yet another run
decent SL play from EZ and then short pass for TD
Mid definitely comes back some
7:49 in stride, smidge ahead of WR where he stretches a bit
run
nice scramble to stay alive
little behind the FB but he doesn't seem to slow down
run
comeback route or QB under pressure WR reacting
then meh
run
WR definitely slows and helps him
9:13 totally in stride
couple short throws and then a run
next two nothing special
9:49 letting WR run under it
finishes with a nice in stride pass then credit
Much more slowing down then I noticed first time, Bayhawks .
I don't care about the inferior defender on a go route.
You wrote " Mariota has plenty of arm strength, from what I can tell, but his timing, accuracy, touch, etc may be lacking-making his deep throws less effective. " and that's my problem.
He does have touch in these. In the NFL he throws it hard all the time deep and here a few times he can throw a nice soft one that the WR runs under. The over the shoulder in stride ones are nice catchable passes on the money. Last year, he threw deep to DGB like he was trying to make Brett Favre gush and break DGBs fingers.
To throw a nice soft one a WR can run under should be irrelevant of competition- a skill that'll work at any level.
He's got the awareness? knowledge? that he doesn't need to throw his arm out to complete a deep throw but simply a good N hard accurate throw.
To drop it over a shoulder is skill. NFL WRs are faster, I'm sure there's some adjustment in timing but to me that's like if you can hit a three in hoops, you can hit a three. If you can kick a 40 yard FG you can kick a 40 yarder. I don't think the competition wholly matters on the throw. The entire process before and during the play to get to the point where he throws, well then yeah competition level matters but at release point I don't think so.
I clicked on an oregon article last night with videos and same stuff. He doesn't look like he knows what touch is and is throwing with all his might every single time.
To reiterate(sorry if rambled too much) he clearly has an understanding of touch and how hard to throw it in high school. In what I saw at Oregon and last year, there's zero thought-everything deep is as hard as can be.
Do you see what I mean?
I don't care about the inferior defender on a go route.
You wrote " Mariota has plenty of arm strength, from what I can tell, but his timing, accuracy, touch, etc may be lacking-making his deep throws less effective. " and that's my problem.
He does have touch in these. In the NFL he throws it hard all the time deep and here a few times he can throw a nice soft one that the WR runs under. The over the shoulder in stride ones are nice catchable passes on the money. Last year, he threw deep to DGB like he was trying to make Brett Favre gush and break DGBs fingers.
To throw a nice soft one a WR can run under should be irrelevant of competition- a skill that'll work at any level.
He's got the awareness? knowledge? that he doesn't need to throw his arm out to complete a deep throw but simply a good N hard accurate throw.
To drop it over a shoulder is skill. NFL WRs are faster, I'm sure there's some adjustment in timing but to me that's like if you can hit a three in hoops, you can hit a three. If you can kick a 40 yard FG you can kick a 40 yarder. I don't think the competition wholly matters on the throw. The entire process before and during the play to get to the point where he throws, well then yeah competition level matters but at release point I don't think so.
I clicked on an oregon article last night with videos and same stuff. He doesn't look like he knows what touch is and is throwing with all his might every single time.
To reiterate(sorry if rambled too much) he clearly has an understanding of touch and how hard to throw it in high school. In what I saw at Oregon and last year, there's zero thought-everything deep is as hard as can be.
Do you see what I mean?
I'm not going through the video again, nor am I going to take the time to break down the individual plays. I was responding to your original query & my point remains: high school isn't college, which isn't the NFL. Just because he was successful at something in HS doesn't necessarily mean he will be as successful in the NFL. The video was a highlight video & I only remember a few deep throws where his receiver didn't have to slow down, wait for the ball,, make a contested catch when he shouldn't have had to, etc. Its not an fluke; he has not been successful on deep throws for several years against college & NFL defenders. His HS highlight tape, to me, shows him having plenty of arm, but maybe not the consistency, accuracy, and/or touch to beat the faster defenders in the NFL.
ETA-no disrespect intended; your post was very specific & I respect the time & attention that required. My opinion is that his HS highlights show more of an ultra-talented athlete than a great deep-passer.
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Don't Noonan
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At Oregon there simply wasn't many deep patterns. He did make some deep throws, a long pass at Washington in 2013 to Huff I believe. He hit DeAnthony Thomas on a few as well.
"Exotic smashmouth" added two running backs so it'll be run run run....will it?
Does that happen with golden-boy QBs in the NFL?
What about that they were the worst team, so predicting them to often be down in games seems to be reasonable?
Where are you in projecting Mariota?
Does that happen with golden-boy QBs in the NFL?
What about that they were the worst team, so predicting them to often be down in games seems to be reasonable?
Where are you in projecting Mariota?
So it's like their Kendall Wright sleeper pick last year? https://www.numberfire.com/nfl/news/5866/is-kendall-wright-a-massive-fantasy-football-value-pick#
Mularkey has had some poor QBs produce pretty solid #s. Mariota is surprisingly one of(if not the) best QBs he's ever had.
I was asking similar above. My thought is they'll simply be down in games. A great clock control run game is often part of a winning team, not part of the worst team in football.
They still can't shut down teams stud WRs and didn't add any DB who could so that's likely to continue. As long as the stud WRs are getting sweet games against the Titans, the Titans are going to have to outscore them.
cstu
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Played great with the except of the INT - McCluster was wide open but he missed him and forced a throw.
cstu
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Bucsfan5493
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How does everyone feel about Mariota this week? Think I'm gonna roll with him over Tyrod. I thought the Lions had a decent defense, but Luck tore them apart last week.
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Don't Noonan
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Capella
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Don't Noonan
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Capella once again pretty classless in here
Mister CIA
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cstu
Footballguy
He has no receivers but drove the team down to the 3 yard line with two minutes left, then Lewan was called for unnecessary roughness. All on him though, right?
Capella
Footballguy
For one I posted those right at the beginning of the Bucs game, and it's not as tough when your franchise QB goes for 65%, 3 scores and 365 yards so far.
Bucsfan5493
Footballguy
I didn't watch the game, but 3 turnovers and no scores against a Raiders D who has been absolutely torched the first 2 weeks? Yuck, I somehow have a chance to win in the league in which I started him, but just a single TD would have been very helpful.
VaTerp
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So what's going on with Mariota this year? I don't have any Titans so I've watched little to none of their games this year but Mariota is struggling mightily this season. Only 925 yards in 4 games with 4 TDs and 5 interceptions and 2 fumbles lost.
Is it the play of the line, Mularkey, Mariota not developing, a combination of all of the above? And really not doing much with his legs either. Due to injury and next to nothing on the wire in my 14 team league I may be forced to play him this week. I'm kicking myself for some of the other backup QBs I passed on him for during my draft.
Anyone have confidence he can turn it around this season>
Is it the play of the line, Mularkey, Mariota not developing, a combination of all of the above? And really not doing much with his legs either. Due to injury and next to nothing on the wire in my 14 team league I may be forced to play him this week. I'm kicking myself for some of the other backup QBs I passed on him for during my draft.
Anyone have confidence he can turn it around this season>
FUBAR
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VaTerp
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The article below takes it a step further and basically says Mularkey is ruining Mariota's development with an antiquated scheme- "Exotic Smashmouth" is what he likes to call it- that is taking a QB who has played, and excelled, mostly in spread formations and putting him in tight, packed formations with limited receiver and route options.
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/10/marcus-mariota-ruined-mike-mularkey-tennessee-titans
Really wish I'd invested the time I typically do in prepping for drafts this summer. I should have seen this coming. Cant believe I passed on some of the QBs I did for Mariota. For some reason I thought he'd development in his 2nd year, take advantage of guys like Wright, Sharpe, and Walker, and would be able to produce with his legs.
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He's so terrible that his numbers are in line with a 'generational talent' so far this year. That's really funny by the way. Your guy is one of the worst right now. It's right here: QB Stats. He's even beating your boy on average yards per attempt, which you love. He's bottom of the barrel in that category. Mariota's working with an inferior cast of nobodies. Better completion %, better YPA, better rating. Less turnovers. Your guy leads the league, by the way, with 10 total turnovers. That's why Dirk wants the to run the ball more. Dirk is trying to win games.
NREC34
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cstu
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Yes, I don't think Osweileler they are miles apart passing right now but Mariota will give you a lot more on the ground.
Don't Noonan
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Another great game from Mariota. What I especially like is the rushing yards lately, two straight games over 60 yards rushing. He has the potential to be a fantasy monster down the road. If they can get some quality wide receivers his numbers will only improve.
