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QB Matt Stafford, LAR (5 Viewers)
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kittenmittens
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ghostguy123
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ffmail4me
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That's a damn good offer IMO. 4 good valuable picks for a 33 year old QB seems like a great move
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Brilliant of them to announce he'd be dealt so early while max QB openings existed. 
Detroit is dealing QB Matthew Stafford to the Los Angeles Rams in exchange for two future first-round picks, a third-round pick and QB Jared Goff, per sources. Two former No. 1 overall picks trading places in the first blockbuster NFL trade of 202
Detroit is dealing QB Matthew Stafford to the Los Angeles Rams in exchange for two future first-round picks, a third-round pick and QB Jared Goff, per sources. Two former No. 1 overall picks trading places in the first blockbuster NFL trade of 202
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Super King
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Detroit got crazy value there
Capella
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Todd from Utah
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Oh rams.....
Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub
Footballguy
Johnny Utah #9
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2 future 1s, a 3rd and Goff for Stafford.
Wow.
Goff is whatever, but two firsts and a 3rd is huge. The Rams really hate 1st round picks.
Wow.
Goff is whatever, but two firsts and a 3rd is huge. The Rams really hate 1st round picks.
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Capella
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Stafford and Ramsey will likely be better than any first round pick they could have taken. Jalen for sure. Picks are extremely overrated when you can get a superstar like that in exchange.
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Insein
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voiceofunreason
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I like the Stafford move by the Rams. Colts and 49ers should have made more of an effort imo.
Solid by the lions but should be 2 late firsts so I don't think it's amazing value.
Capella
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Fans like the idea or the potential of a first round pick. It’s fun to speculate and dream. Smart GMs know to take the established players when they are elite status and your team is close to winning big.
ghostguy123
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Desert_Power
Footballguy
A rare trade I like for both teams, a very NBA type of deal. I just wish Stafford went to a team I like a bit more (WFT or SF).
Todd from Utah
Footballguy
Exactly.
Obviously "well if Stafford is worth this, watson must be worth X" is going to be the narrative.
But the Jets # 2 pick alone (just as an example) will likely be worth significantly more than all the picks the Lions got combined. (In terms of trade value. Obviously we have no idea what the players picked will actually turn into) Per the traditional chart, its worth 2600 points. If we assume the 2 first round picks will be somewhere in the 20's, they'd be worth somewhere in the neighborhood of 1700 points......if they were THIS year's first rounders. As future first rounders (presumably 2022 and 2023, as the Rams pick this year belongs to Jax) they're worth significantly less.
Based on the way this trade went down, Goff and his contract were obviously considered a liability, not an asset to a rebuilding Lions team. So you could easily make the argument that he was worth nothing (or rather, less than nothing)
Obviously Watson is worth WAY more than Stafford in a vacuum. But then there's the variable of him wanting out and leveraging his no trade to pick his spot (which could theoretically limit the Texans' leverage and hurt their compensation).
So who the hell knows. Gonna be a fun offseason either way.
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He is part of why I think the Lions got took on this trade. He's got $42M guaranteed next two years but should basically be seen as 2 years for $52m. He just to benched for John Wofford and now the Lions are on the hook for that.
I"m not a Lions fan or have any fantasy interest over this trade and I'm honestly mad for them. The whole way they handled this and return they got back makes me lose all confidence in their hires.
Todd from Utah
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Meh, the Lions knew they weren't winning anything with Stafford.
They're basically punting on the next 2 years now, Maybe with Goff (who is certainly not good) as a vastly overpaid stop gap QB. They'll presumably be bad (and thus, picking high in the draft. Plus they get the Rams pick next year to add a piece) and when they cut him in 2 years, they'll have 2 first rounders (likely an early one and a late one from the Rams) to ramp up the rebuild.
Ideally you dont want to have to wait TWO years to start your rebuild, but i still think they won this deal.
Wise Old Owl
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Not sure how you see that. Lions are in full rebuild and Stafford wasn't part of that plan. Moving him for 2 1sts is a terrific return.
bostonfred
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Ghost Rider
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Great deal for both teams. The Lions weren't keeping Stafford and got some good draft picks for him, and the Rams got a major upgrade at QB.
Two projected late #1's, not a current #1, not even the Rams current #2, and you had to take on a bad contract that along should have netted you a second for taking on.
Wise Old Owl
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Yeah its basically the Browns Osweiler trade but higher picks because Stafford is involved. Lions eat the bad contract because they aren't trying to win now anyway
DocHolliday
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I think it was a pretty fair trade and it’s a good trade for both teams. Rams slightly overpaid for a Stafford level QB though Two firsts and a third for Stafford? Detroit has Goff for the next year or two while they build their team with the extra draft picks.
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Wise Old Owl
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The bad contract is almost meaningless. It's not like they will be signing big FAs this year or next anyway. This is a team eating a bad contract today to get picks for the team they are building toward 2 years from now.
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Todd from Utah
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IMO, they didn't.
If they're going to stink for the next 2 years (which was a distinct possibility no matter what they got for Stafford) who cares that they're paying Goff stupid money? Once that money is gone, its gone. It wont affect their ability to build a good team 2-3 years from now once the picks they got start paying dividends (assuming they hit on them)
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who cares what kind of contract it is? they're not winning anything the next 2 years. and they got two 1sts+ for a depreciating asset. this is an easy win for the lions, and a reasonable acquisition for the rams.
also, the texans 1st was supposed to be in the 20s. it was 3. you don't know they're going to the championship game.
The value of a future first is not the same as the value of a current first. Bill Parcells once said he considered value of a future pick a round less then value of current pick.
The Lions let the Rams keep their highest pick this year.
The Rams draft pick is not high, with Stafford it's a good bet it won't better then it was.
There is no way the Rams can make this trade if the Lions don't take Goffs $42M real guaranty, $52M likely guaranty off their hands the next two seasons. Osweiller drew a second round pick when had about half that amount money due to him. Goff is McVay's hand picked guy and he just got benched for John Wofford. This is a worse take back for Lions then Osweiler because he's on their books for two years.
So yea, Stafford may not be doing the Lions any good but this was not the deal to make and I'll probably never be convinced that trading Stafford to the team he wanted to go got you back the best deal.
The Lions let the Rams keep their highest pick this year.
The Rams draft pick is not high, with Stafford it's a good bet it won't better then it was.
There is no way the Rams can make this trade if the Lions don't take Goffs $42M real guaranty, $52M likely guaranty off their hands the next two seasons. Osweiller drew a second round pick when had about half that amount money due to him. Goff is McVay's hand picked guy and he just got benched for John Wofford. This is a worse take back for Lions then Osweiler because he's on their books for two years.
So yea, Stafford may not be doing the Lions any good but this was not the deal to make and I'll probably never be convinced that trading Stafford to the team he wanted to go got you back the best deal.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Sorry, I just recovered from passing out. Ate too much crow, I guess.
This is L.A. paying the price for screwing up their salary cap by signing the wrong guys.
Also, one has to wonder if this has anything to do with the cost overruns with SoFi.
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whoknew
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Why should it be seen as 2 years for $52? The Lions are going to stink next year. If they cut him after next year, they will have a $15.5 mm guaranteed in 2022.
The contract just doesn't seem horrific for the Lions.
Also - I'm not sure why we are automatically assuming these will be late picks for the Rams. Its not that hard to see Stafford have injury issues and the Rams have cap issues and they go 6-10 or 7-9 or something.
modogg
Footballguy
It's $42M in real guarantees but his base in 2022 is $10M. So I say he's essentially guaranteed $52M because Lions are already paying him $15M for 2022 so it's either pay $15M for nothing or add on another $10M and keep him. I guess it's possible Goff's not worth $10M so great, they get out of it with $15m gone their 2022 cap.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Doesn't this say that the Lions could save $2m cutting him before the 2022 season? This next year is the only expensive one, right?
Good trade for both teams... sometimes you have to overpay in some people's minds to win a title. The fact that half the people are saying LAR got fleeced and half are saying DET got fleeced, means this was a great deal.
Detroit is gonna be down for 2 years anyways. But when they get back up and start biting kneecaps, they could be relevant.
Detroit is gonna be down for 2 years anyways. But when they get back up and start biting kneecaps, they could be relevant.
I think they'll cut him after this year. They're likely going to have a top 5 pick next year and select their QB of the future. Also wouldn't doubt if they use one of these future 1sts to move into the #1 draft slot next year to grab the top QB (if a non qb needy team gets that pick). This is good ammo to make that move.
Andy Dufresne
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I wouldn't be surprised to see them trade up in THIS draft.
But my prognostication skills are obviously in question.
There's a good chance Wilson or Fields will be sitting there for them at 7... not sure who they would trade up with unless they fall in love with one of those guys. But yes, drafting a QB this year also makes a lot of sense and he can be groomed behind Goff for half a season.
Desert_Power
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Johnny Utah #9
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Yeah, I don’t get the people arguing that it’s a bad deal for the Lions because they had to absorb Goff’s contract. The have the cap space and are going to suck this year regardless, so what’s the harm in taking him on if it lands you a 1st round pick? They need someone to play the position this year anyway as they stumble their way to a top 5 pick. Goff can be a caretaker for a year (or less) in front of whatever rookie QB they draft if they go that route. Or the future firsts give them some assets to deal in a move up in the draft in future years.
