QB Patrick Mahomes II, KC (1 Viewer)

[JohnnyU]

I gotta preface this by saying I hate the Chiefs. Unfortunately, all my kids are Chiefs fans. But even I gotta say that offense has the potential to be SCARY! Worthy + Brown + Rice = SPEED! Toss in Kelce and the 3 headed RBBC (Pacheco, Hunt and Mitchell). This Brashard guy is an unknown but people are saying he is sneaky good. And the front 7 of the defense is still pretty much intact. Now if one of those WRs gets hurt, the depth is pretty . But knowing the chiefs, they'll pick up some stud that a less skilled front office ignorantly let go (for whatever reason) or trade peanuts for and they won't skip a beat. There's a reason people think there is a conspiracy theory the league is setting up the Chiefs to be the next Patriots dynasty. Barring major injury I could totally see Mahomes hitting 50 TDs again.

or 50 hot dogs.

He's rocking the dad bod. It happens.

He makes me look good

 

[IHEARTFF]

Patrick Mahomes called 'fat and an embarrassment' in shock rant by Kansas City radio host

Is this a real story locally? Or is it just a blowhard local radio guy being outrageous for the attention?

“Vacation photos are popping up of Patrick Mahomes, and he’s fat. I’m gonna say it, and I’m gonna tell you the truth, he’s an embarrassment,” Kietzman asserted bluntly. He intensified his criticism: “Stop the fast food. Do a sit-up. Do something.”

Kietzman...expressed horror that the quarterback “eating Taco Bell all the time and Door-Dashing fried chicken” would appear “fat” at his pool “hanging out with us, 60-year-olds.”

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[socrates]

Now if one of those WRs gets hurt, the depth is pretty

Fair enough, but they do have Rice, Worthy, Brown and an intriguing rookie in Jalen Royals. The back end of the WR depth chart gets a bit ugly, as you say.

 

[LawFitz]

You can literally see his abs in the photo in the article. This is silly talk.

 

[warpig33]

You can literally see his abs in the photo in the article. This is silly talk.

RIght? It's the offseason. Pretty sure most players "bulk up" in the offseason since they probably are on a strict diet during the season and the ramp up to. Look at body builders too. Would you call them fat and an embarrassment? Just gotta hit that switch and they're in beast mode. Keitzman is an a$5hat click bait wh0r3.

*eta* Not sure why I am defending Mahomes. Hope he gets turf toe and can't play this year.

 

[eighsse2]

You can literally see his abs in the photo in the article. This is silly talk.

RIght? It's the offseason. Pretty sure most players "bulk up" in the offseason since they probably are on a strict diet during the season and the ramp up to. Look at body builders too. Would you call them fat and an embarrassment? Just gotta hit that switch and they're in beast mode. Keitzman is an a$5hat click bait wh0r3.

*eta* Not sure why I am defending Mahomes. Hope he gets turf toe and can't play this year.

Reminds me of Bugs Bunny: "WHAT AM I DOING!?!?"

 

[Buckna]

If that's fat, I must look like porky pig

 

[BearsFan4Life]

Have Mahomes and Daniels in my 14 team dynasty. Would trade Mahomes but what value should I expect in return?

 

[FantasyGuru24]

Have Mahomes and Daniels in my 14 team dynasty. Would trade Mahomes but what value should I expect in return?

I’d trade Daniels instead and get more in return ..

 

[rockaction]

He rocked a worse Dad bod with a fatty chest (you can use the colloquialism if you wish) last year. I hoped he'd be buff this time around, but he's clearly got a regimen going when it comes to eventually being in shape. And he looks better this year.

He missed a bunch of throws last year with receivers that weren't great or were green to the league and/or KC's system. I'd love to see him in tip-top shape in July, but I'd rather he be tip-top in November and December and able to avoid any injury the first few months. I'd really, really like to see him stop putting his slightly above-average speed to so much use when things break down. It might catch up to him. That's my concern.

One thing to remember is that his ankle has been a bad ankle on and off for years now, and his deep forays into the playoffs have likely prevented him from getting much of a head start on his offseason conditioning because the ankle needs to rest. He's no stranger to a needle, it seems, so he likely needs months for it to happen, which puts him at about sedentary until mid-April or so. That is pure speculation, by the way.

None of this is apologia; I wish he looked ripped and svelte, but he's always had a touch of pudge to him even when he's in top-notch form.

That's all I got.

 

[JohnnyU]

Have Mahomes and Daniels in my 14 team dynasty. Would trade Mahomes but what value should I expect in return?

I’d trade Daniels instead and get more in return ..

I wouldn't trade Daniels. Especially in a 14 team dynasty.

 

[Gally]

Have Mahomes and Daniels in my 14 team dynasty. Would trade Mahomes but what value should I expect in return?

I’d trade Daniels instead and get more in return ..

I wouldn't trade Daniels. Especially in a 14 team dynasty.

I would put both on the trade block and then see which offers make the most sense to better your team overall. If the difference on return isn't that much then keep Daniels. If you get a kings ransom for Daniels and nothing for Mahomes then make that move.

For me it really comes down to the return I would get.

 

[Gally]

One thing to remember is that his ankle has been a bad ankle on and off for years now, and his deep forays into the playoffs have likely prevented him from getting much of a head start on his offseason conditioning because the ankle needs to rest. He's no stranger to a needle, it seems, so he likely needs months for it to happen, which puts him at about sedentary until mid-April or so. That is pure speculation, by the way.

I think this is a very under the radar aspect that most people probably never ever think about. After season recovery and long lasting seasons can really put a damper on getting to camp in the "best shape of my life".

 

[Faust]

Chiefs QB Patrick Mahomes ready to enter new era: Turning 30

 

[pinkstapler]

He rocked a worse Dad bod with a fatty chest (you can use the colloquialism if you wish) last year. I hoped he'd be buff this time around, but he's clearly got a regimen going when it comes to eventually being in shape. And he looks better this year.

He missed a bunch of throws last year with receivers that weren't great or were green to the league and/or KC's system. I'd love to see him in tip-top shape in July, but I'd rather he be tip-top in November and December and able to avoid any injury the first few months. I'd really, really like to see him stop putting his slightly above-average speed to so much use when things break down. It might catch up to him. That's my concern.

One thing to remember is that his ankle has been a bad ankle on and off for years now, and his deep forays into the playoffs have likely prevented him from getting much of a head start on his offseason conditioning because the ankle needs to rest. He's no stranger to a needle, it seems, so he likely needs months for it to happen, which puts him at about sedentary until mid-April or so. That is pure speculation, by the way.

None of this is apologia; I wish he looked ripped and svelte, but he's always had a touch of pudge to him even when he's in top-notch form.

That's all I got.

I think the bolded is a really great point, and one I should probably look at a bit more in the big picture of profiling fantasy players one season to the next. Was listening to a George Kittle interview a few weeks ago where he went in pretty deep on this saying just how much post season runs, especially late ones, can mess with offseason rehab. Even if a guy isn't coming off an injury, an extra few weeks of rest (including mental rest) can mean a world of difference. I imagine it's just that much easier to get into a routine and come into the following season on schedule. If you're behind the 8 ball as far as recovery/training/conditioning/mentals come July, it can probably be very difficult to catch up once everything ramps up.

It's what has me giving a little bump to some of these 49ers after hearing him say what he said, and looking back at the past few years. Kittle said there was an energy and motivation he hadn't seen in camp for a while this year. Sure, partially because of last season's disappointment so they are hungry, but I think having the extra few weeks to refresh makes a difference too.

 

[rockaction]

I think the bolded is a really great point, and one I should probably look at a bit more in the big picture of profiling fantasy players one season to the next.

You know, it sort of came to me because I had a high ankle sprain during a crucial year for me with respect to getting recruited for hockey and it took so damn long to heal that I essentially had played the recruiting year on a garbage ankle (which they say doesn't matter for hockey but when you can't push off hard enough to skate well and your one chance is blown then you remember that stuff) and wound up way, way behind the recruiting eight ball to the point I was relegated to no-prayer Division One walk-on and forget that.

So I know that these things we expect to heal magically just don't. Patrick is clearly getting needles or he wouldn't have been able to walk the past couple of deep runs, including their win against the Eagles and then (I think his ankle was jacked) against the 49ers in both of those Super Bowls they won. Then going to three in a row, which by the way, is such an incredible thing—and made more incredible by the fact that their QB is a sitting duck getting shot up to run and then doing just that. It's stunning.

So maybe Mahomes is not the greatest fantasy quarterback—and keeping this on fantasy, I don't think he's really going to break out too much this year, either. Everybody has been running that Fangio D against him for three years now, and every year we've seen a step down. So he's almost thirty and fighting Fangio and all those forces. I hope he comes back in some great shape, but I'm not going to knock him if he does because KC is just on a different timeline than fantasy players are. We're cooking steaks with gas; they're using charcoal.

My suggestion overall for fantasy is to get teams that are hungry to prove stuff right away. You never know who that is precisely, but you can narrow it down. Think Dak and receivers in Dallas. Think Coen in Jacksonville with Lawrence and that offense. Coen's got something to prove.

Back to Mahomes. He's a low-end QB1 or a high-end QB2 right now. That's about it. But calling him out of shape (I think) ignores the ankle and the deep runs and doesn't take into account when KC wants to be in tip-top shape. That's around November.

 

[pinkstapler]

I think the bolded is a really great point, and one I should probably look at a bit more in the big picture of profiling fantasy players one season to the next.

You know, it sort of came to me because I had a high ankle sprain during a crucial year for me with respect to getting recruited for hockey and it took so damn long to heal that I essentially had played the recruiting year on a garbage ankle (which they say doesn't matter for hockey but when you can't push off hard enough to skate well and your one chance is blown then you remember that stuff) and wound up way, way behind the recruiting eight ball to the point I was relegated to no-prayer Division One walk-on and forget that.

So I know that these things we expect to heal magically just don't. Patrick is clearly getting needles or he wouldn't have been able to walk the past couple of deep runs, including their win against the Eagles and then (I think his ankle was jacked) against the 49ers in both of those Super Bowls they won. Then going to three in a row, which by the way, is such an incredible thing—and made more incredible by the fact that their QB is a sitting duck getting shot up to run and then doing just that. It's stunning.

So maybe Mahomes is not the greatest fantasy quarterback—and keeping this on fantasy, I don't think he's really going to break out too much this year, either. Everybody has been running that Fangio D against him for three years now, and every year we've seen a step down. So he's almost thirty and fighting Fangio and all those forces. I hope he comes back in some great shape, but I'm not going to knock him if he does because KC is just on a different timeline than fantasy players are. We're cooking steaks with gas; they're using charcoal.

My suggestion overall for fantasy is to get teams that are hungry to prove stuff right away. You never know who that is precisely, but you can narrow it down. Think Dak and receivers in Dallas. Think Coen in Jacksonville with Lawrence and that offense. Coen's got something to prove.

Back to Mahomes. He's a low-end QB1 or a high-end QB2 right now. That's about it. But calling him out of shape (I think) ignores the ankle and the deep runs and doesn't take into account when KC wants to be in tip-top shape. That's around November.

Coincidentally, not a bad time for your fantasy players to be at their best either.

I offered what should be a mid 2026 1st and a late 2026 1st for him in a SF league the other day and got turned down. Felt pretty fair/close to me considering the slight decline in production, and his age. But I think it goes on to indicate; few, if any, of the fantasy players with him on their rosters are worried about his current shape, let alone selling him for anything less than super premium prices.

 

[ChiefD]

I think the bolded is a really great point, and one I should probably look at a bit more in the big picture of profiling fantasy players one season to the next.

You know, it sort of came to me because I had a high ankle sprain during a crucial year for me with respect to getting recruited for hockey and it took so damn long to heal that I essentially had played the recruiting year on a garbage ankle (which they say doesn't matter for hockey but when you can't push off hard enough to skate well and your one chance is blown then you remember that stuff) and wound up way, way behind the recruiting eight ball to the point I was relegated to no-prayer Division One walk-on and forget that.

So I know that these things we expect to heal magically just don't. Patrick is clearly getting needles or he wouldn't have been able to walk the past couple of deep runs, including their win against the Eagles and then (I think his ankle was jacked) against the 49ers in both of those Super Bowls they won. Then going to three in a row, which by the way, is such an incredible thing—and made more incredible by the fact that their QB is a sitting duck getting shot up to run and then doing just that. It's stunning.

So maybe Mahomes is not the greatest fantasy quarterback—and keeping this on fantasy, I don't think he's really going to break out too much this year, either. Everybody has been running that Fangio D against him for three years now, and every year we've seen a step down. So he's almost thirty and fighting Fangio and all those forces. I hope he comes back in some great shape, but I'm not going to knock him if he does because KC is just on a different timeline than fantasy players are. We're cooking steaks with gas; they're using charcoal.

My suggestion overall for fantasy is to get teams that are hungry to prove stuff right away. You never know who that is precisely, but you can narrow it down. Think Dak and receivers in Dallas. Think Coen in Jacksonville with Lawrence and that offense. Coen's got something to prove.

Back to Mahomes. He's a low-end QB1 or a high-end QB2 right now. That's about it. But calling him out of shape (I think) ignores the ankle and the deep runs and doesn't take into account when KC wants to be in tip-top shape. That's around November.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

I think the bolded is a really great point, and one I should probably look at a bit more in the big picture of profiling fantasy players one season to the next.

You know, it sort of came to me because I had a high ankle sprain during a crucial year for me with respect to getting recruited for hockey and it took so damn long to heal that I essentially had played the recruiting year on a garbage ankle (which they say doesn't matter for hockey but when you can't push off hard enough to skate well and your one chance is blown then you remember that stuff) and wound up way, way behind the recruiting eight ball to the point I was relegated to no-prayer Division One walk-on and forget that.

So I know that these things we expect to heal magically just don't. Patrick is clearly getting needles or he wouldn't have been able to walk the past couple of deep runs, including their win against the Eagles and then (I think his ankle was jacked) against the 49ers in both of those Super Bowls they won. Then going to three in a row, which by the way, is such an incredible thing—and made more incredible by the fact that their QB is a sitting duck getting shot up to run and then doing just that. It's stunning.

So maybe Mahomes is not the greatest fantasy quarterback—and keeping this on fantasy, I don't think he's really going to break out too much this year, either. Everybody has been running that Fangio D against him for three years now, and every year we've seen a step down. So he's almost thirty and fighting Fangio and all those forces. I hope he comes back in some great shape, but I'm not going to knock him if he does because KC is just on a different timeline than fantasy players are. We're cooking steaks with gas; they're using charcoal.

My suggestion overall for fantasy is to get teams that are hungry to prove stuff right away. You never know who that is precisely, but you can narrow it down. Think Dak and receivers in Dallas. Think Coen in Jacksonville with Lawrence and that offense. Coen's got something to prove.

Back to Mahomes. He's a low-end QB1 or a high-end QB2 right now. That's about it. But calling him out of shape (I think) ignores the ankle and the deep runs and doesn't take into account when KC wants to be in tip-top shape. That's around November.

......there may not be a bigger Mahomes fan on this board then me.....but I guess I'm kind of old school in the approach that I think some of this "longer season" and time to heal stuff is a little overblown....I mean really, how much time to you need to "rest" or "mental rest".....is a couple weeks in Cabo not enough?...and when it comes to healing or treatment, these guys have access to the best of the best when it comes to all that stuff....they aren't some average Joes trying to get recruited somewhere....their healing time is amped up by the things they have access too...they are paid handsomely to stay in shape and do whatever they need to do to be ready to play....if that means going to the facility for treatment darn near everyday of the off season then so be it...part of what you get paid has playoff success or longer seasons baked into it....they have played in 5 of the last 6 super bowls.....I honestly don't think there is much to see here when it comes to that stuff....but I guess I can see why Kittle or whoever would say something....almost like we are supposed to feel sorry for them not having a few extra weeks off or something.....I just can't get there....they have plenty of time off...

now whether Mahomes has chronically bad ankles that are weak and will always be an issue.....that is another discussion....

 

[pinkstapler]

I think the bolded is a really great point, and one I should probably look at a bit more in the big picture of profiling fantasy players one season to the next.

You know, it sort of came to me because I had a high ankle sprain during a crucial year for me with respect to getting recruited for hockey and it took so damn long to heal that I essentially had played the recruiting year on a garbage ankle (which they say doesn't matter for hockey but when you can't push off hard enough to skate well and your one chance is blown then you remember that stuff) and wound up way, way behind the recruiting eight ball to the point I was relegated to no-prayer Division One walk-on and forget that.

So I know that these things we expect to heal magically just don't. Patrick is clearly getting needles or he wouldn't have been able to walk the past couple of deep runs, including their win against the Eagles and then (I think his ankle was jacked) against the 49ers in both of those Super Bowls they won. Then going to three in a row, which by the way, is such an incredible thing—and made more incredible by the fact that their QB is a sitting duck getting shot up to run and then doing just that. It's stunning.

So maybe Mahomes is not the greatest fantasy quarterback—and keeping this on fantasy, I don't think he's really going to break out too much this year, either. Everybody has been running that Fangio D against him for three years now, and every year we've seen a step down. So he's almost thirty and fighting Fangio and all those forces. I hope he comes back in some great shape, but I'm not going to knock him if he does because KC is just on a different timeline than fantasy players are. We're cooking steaks with gas; they're using charcoal.

My suggestion overall for fantasy is to get teams that are hungry to prove stuff right away. You never know who that is precisely, but you can narrow it down. Think Dak and receivers in Dallas. Think Coen in Jacksonville with Lawrence and that offense. Coen's got something to prove.

Back to Mahomes. He's a low-end QB1 or a high-end QB2 right now. That's about it. But calling him out of shape (I think) ignores the ankle and the deep runs and doesn't take into account when KC wants to be in tip-top shape. That's around November.

......there may not be a bigger Mahomes fan on this board then me.....but I guess I'm kind of old school in the approach that I think some of this "longer season" and time to heal stuff is a little overblown....I mean really, how much time to you need to "rest" or "mental rest".....is a couple weeks in Cabo not enough?...and when it comes to healing or treatment, these guys have access to the best of the best when it comes to all that stuff....they aren't some average Joes trying to get recruited somewhere....their healing time is amped up by the things they have access too...they are paid handsomely to stay in shape and do whatever they need to do to be ready to play....if that means going to the facility for treatment darn near everyday of the off season then so be it...part of what you get paid has playoff success or longer seasons baked into it....they have played in 5 of the last 6 super bowls.....I honestly don't think there is much to see here when it comes to that stuff....but I guess I can see why Kittle or whoever would say something....almost like we are supposed to feel sorry for them not having a few extra weeks off or something.....I just can't get there....they have plenty of time off...

now whether Mahomes has chronically bad ankles that are weak and will always be an issue.....that is another discussion....

I don't think he was begging for any sympathy. I think society has developed this weird d swing competition where people can barely finish a sentence expressing their feelings without someone else jumping in to minimalize those feelings/strawman some point they were not making/enter into the comparison olympics about how such and such people/group have it "so much worse".

It's clear you didn't hear the interview. So how you took two sentences I wrote about Kittle saying having a shorter vs longer off season has an impact on players coming back to camp and turned it into some tirade about how you have no sympathy/empathy for him; or that you have some internalized system where you dole out sympathy/empathy based on a formula which includes how much money people make.... well all I can say is that from where I'm sitting, that says a lot more about you than anything else.

I don't really care to participate in those aforementioned comparison olympics and debate about levels of competition, strain on bodies, access to tx, because I'm not an expert on all that. I don't think you are either. I'd much rather take the man at his word because he knows not only the NFL experience better than me (and you), but he knows his own experience better than anyone. And I don't have any reason to not believe him. And all that aside, to me, you seem hyper emotional and reactive to a pretty innocuous statement. I don't care to unpack all that for you.

 

[rockaction]

I think the bolded is a really great point, and one I should probably look at a bit more in the big picture of profiling fantasy players one season to the next.

You know, it sort of came to me because I had a high ankle sprain during a crucial year for me with respect to getting recruited for hockey and it took so damn long to heal that I essentially had played the recruiting year on a garbage ankle (which they say doesn't matter for hockey but when you can't push off hard enough to skate well and your one chance is blown then you remember that stuff) and wound up way, way behind the recruiting eight ball to the point I was relegated to no-prayer Division One walk-on and forget that.

So I know that these things we expect to heal magically just don't. Patrick is clearly getting needles or he wouldn't have been able to walk the past couple of deep runs, including their win against the Eagles and then (I think his ankle was jacked) against the 49ers in both of those Super Bowls they won. Then going to three in a row, which by the way, is such an incredible thing—and made more incredible by the fact that their QB is a sitting duck getting shot up to run and then doing just that. It's stunning.

So maybe Mahomes is not the greatest fantasy quarterback—and keeping this on fantasy, I don't think he's really going to break out too much this year, either. Everybody has been running that Fangio D against him for three years now, and every year we've seen a step down. So he's almost thirty and fighting Fangio and all those forces. I hope he comes back in some great shape, but I'm not going to knock him if he does because KC is just on a different timeline than fantasy players are. We're cooking steaks with gas; they're using charcoal.

My suggestion overall for fantasy is to get teams that are hungry to prove stuff right away. You never know who that is precisely, but you can narrow it down. Think Dak and receivers in Dallas. Think Coen in Jacksonville with Lawrence and that offense. Coen's got something to prove.

Back to Mahomes. He's a low-end QB1 or a high-end QB2 right now. That's about it. But calling him out of shape (I think) ignores the ankle and the deep runs and doesn't take into account when KC wants to be in tip-top shape. That's around November.

......there may not be a bigger Mahomes fan on this board then me.....but I guess I'm kind of old school in the approach that I think some of this "longer season" and time to heal stuff is a little overblown....I mean really, how much time to you need to "rest" or "mental rest".....is a couple weeks in Cabo not enough?...and when it comes to healing or treatment, these guys have access to the best of the best when it comes to all that stuff....they aren't some average Joes trying to get recruited somewhere....their healing time is amped up by the things they have access too...they are paid handsomely to stay in shape and do whatever they need to do to be ready to play....if that means going to the facility for treatment darn near everyday of the off season then so be it...part of what you get paid has playoff success or longer seasons baked into it....they have played in 5 of the last 6 super bowls.....I honestly don't think there is much to see here when it comes to that stuff....but I guess I can see why Kittle or whoever would say something....almost like we are supposed to feel sorry for them not having a few extra weeks off or something.....I just can't get there....they have plenty of time off...

now whether Mahomes has chronically bad ankles that are weak and will always be an issue.....that is another discussion....

I respect your right to an opinion but that opinion is a big, fat “no” from me for reasons already stated. You can somewhat speed up healing time, but you can’t really change an injury like you’re talking about. If they were that good at preventing or healing injuries, don’t you think they would? I mean, that’s where the advantage would be. I think you’re giving massively short shrift to what happens to even in-shape bodies and wildly overestimating the efficacy of the healthcare staff on the team. But people can disagree. I just think you’re far off the mark here.

eta* and the level of sympathy you give a guy due to injury because of his salary is such a red herring and irrelevant to any cogent analysis of a player’s future performance that I don’t even know where the logic goes awry because the whole argument is a giant invalid and irrelevant train of thought from the question that I don’t know where to start with it.

Premise: Mahomes is out of shape.

Me: “Well, he’s hurt and can’t exercise yet. He’s hurt often and gets in shape by November and then been to at least two Super Bowls on that timeline, so he might do it again, but his early-season fantasy numbers probably will not be too stellar because defenses have adapted, he’s not in tip-top shape, and his receivers aren’t that great. He’s in the late QB1- early QB2 range”

You: “Well he gets paid a lot and went to Mexico for three weeks, so I have no sympathy for him and they have great trainers and doctors so he should be fine”

Do you see where you’ve missed the point here?

 

[Stinkin Ref]

appreciate the feedback and the psychoanalysis....I will seek treatment immediately for my deep and troubled unresolved issues with regard to playing a few extra weeks of football....

 

[Faust]

Patrick Mahomes: Painful Super Bowl losses provide 'a little extra' motivation to get better

 

[Faust]

@32BeatWriters
“This might sound corny, but the people here think Patrick Mahomes has had a look about him through the team’s three weeks at Missouri Western State University. He’s being aggressive in pushing the ball downfield. He’s pushing his receivers. What that all translates to, we’ll see. But for now, it’s a way of bringing the team along with him, with a ratcheted-up intensity and focus from a team that didn’t really need anything extra to begin with.”

https://x.com/32beatwriters/status/1953818379090821464?s=61

 

[Faust]

Chiefs' Patrick Mahomes ready to rebound after Super Bowl loss

 

[saviorself]

Took over for a team in a keeper league. This dude has kept Mahomes in the 6th for several seasons now. Looking at him again, but I'm not sure. Could I find better value at QB in the 7th or 8th? Probably...maybe go Bo Nix or Goff.

It's tough letting Mahomes go, but I'm not sure how much better he does this season and if it warrants a 6th round pick. With a possible Rice suspension too now...yikes.

 

[FarFromHome]

Mahomes is so good. Wonder if they will make a move at the wr position with Worthy getting hurt.

 

[FarFromHome]

Just saw OBJ was hanging with Kelce before game. He would at least be someone that can run routes.

Travis Kelce hangs with free agent Odell Beckham Jr. before Chiefs’ opener in Brazil

Travis Kelce was spotted alongside Odell Beckham Jr. shortly before the Chiefs’ season opener on Friday.

nypost.com

 

[King of the Jungle]

Mahomes is so good. Wonder if they will make a move at the wr position with Worthy getting hurt.

He is an absolute beast, I thought that was one of his better games with what he had on the field. What a fun second half that was for football fans.

 

[FarFromHome]

He is an absolute beast, I thought that was one of his better games with what he had on the field. What a fun second half that was for football fans.

Agreed 100%. He is just so good playing the QB position. Just a joy to watch play football.

 

[jumper]

Mahomes is so good. Wonder if they will make a move at the wr position with Worthy getting hurt.

I posted this in the game thread already but Chiefs don’t have much salary cap space left this year (less than $3mm). Absent doing major restructurings of existing contracts (which will hurt their long-term) there is no realistic way for them to bring in a guy who would be anything better than a middling WR2 type.

If they bring in a wide receiver, it’s going to be a stopgap. Maybe a cheap veteran who probably won’t move the needle much (ARob? Jamison Crowder?). I suggested that trading for Darius Slayton from the Giants might be a good option given the constraints. The fantasy football community would probably yawn. I actually think he would be a reasonable fit for the Chiefs. Wouldn’t cost much in trade, salary cap is not that bad, gives Mahomes a good downfield option. He won’t make the receiving corps good but will at least take them out of the dumpster fire territory they’re in now and make them slightly below middle of the pack.

 

[FarFromHome]

If they bring in a wide receiver, it’s going to be a stopgap.

Good post. I will say all they really need is a stop gap. Five week from now, they get back Rice and assuming Worthy is good to go, the weapons in the room change drastically.

 

[crushedspirit]

He looked like a faster runner out there. Obviously playing with a chip and some of those plays he made were ridiculous. Sucks that friendly fire took out his current top option already.

 

[IHEARTFF]

You can see why there was excitement for KC offense especially if we can see Kelce/Hollywood slide back to option 3/4 with Rice/Worthy back. KC needs to run the ball better also, but Mahomes should be a stud in ff again.

 

[dblock05]

Very doubtful another WR comes in unless they know the offense from being with Andy Reid before. Besides Hopkins, it’s rare that someone can just come in and start playing

 

[FarFromHome]

Besides OBJ, it’s rare that someone can just come in and start playing

Fixed it for ya. Ha ha

 

[Faust]

@NFLPlus
Patrick Mahomes finds Hollywood Brown on 4th & 7

This throw had an air distance of 47.5 yards, per @NextGenStats

https://x.com/nflplus/status/1964163208224362695?s=61

Next Gen Stats
Patrick Mahomes (11-yd TD run)

Mahomes finds the end zone on his fifth scramble run of the game and his career-high fourth scramble of 10+ yards (5 scrambles, 52 yards, TD midway through Q3).

#KCvsLAC | #ChiefsKingdom

https://x.com/nextgenstats/status/1964150566864507377?s=61

Next Gen Stats
Patrick Mahomes is averaging a 2.15-second time to throw through the first half, which would be his fastest mark in a game in his career (previous fastest: 2.32 seconds in Week 4, 2021 vs. PHI).

#KCvsLAC | #ChiefsKingdom

https://x.com/nextgenstats/status/1964140611176743009?s=61

 

[jumper]

Very doubtful another WR comes in unless they know the offense from being with Andy Reid before. Besides Hopkins, it’s rare that someone can just come in and start playing

I’d say that if they bring someone in, he doesn’t need to be a stud. He just needs to be a plausible target so defenses don’t stack the box. Hollywood and Kelce aren’t enough to keep defenses honest IMHO. I already mentioned Slayton, other plausible guys could be Michael Wilson from the Cardinals, van Jefferson from the Titans, etc.

 

[Aznflyer14]

Just wait until Mahomes to unleash his full self with his entire receiving team in full strength. Clearly, half of it went *POOF* last night after losing Worthy early in the game.

 

[jumper]

Just wait until Mahomes to unleash his full self with his entire receiving team in full strength. Clearly, half of it went *POOF* last night after losing Worthy early in the game.

Yeah but even then will Mahomes be able to vault back into a Top 3 type QB (for fantasy purposes)? It seems entirely likely his new ceiling is mid-career Big Ben or Rivers where he's a no-doubt QB1 at a reasonable draft cost with big spike weeks, but unlikely to finish Top 3 for the season. No shame in that.

 

[FarFromHome]

Just wait until Mahomes to unleash his full self with his entire receiving team in full strength. Clearly, half of it went *POOF* last night after losing Worthy early in the game.

Yeah but even then will Mahomes be able to vault back into a Top 3 type QB (for fantasy purposes)? It seems entirely likely his new ceiling is mid-career Big Ben or Rivers where he's a no-doubt QB1 at a reasonable draft cost with big spike weeks, but unlikely to finish Top 3 for the season. No shame in that.

If he keeps running then absolutely back to top 3.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

Just wait until Mahomes to unleash his full self with his entire receiving team in full strength. Clearly, half of it went *POOF* last night after losing Worthy early in the game.

Yeah but even then will Mahomes be able to vault back into a Top 3 type QB (for fantasy purposes)? It seems entirely likely his new ceiling is mid-career Big Ben or Rivers where he's a no-doubt QB1 at a reasonable draft cost with big spike weeks, but unlikely to finish Top 3 for the season. No shame in that.

He had 26 points in 4 pt passing TD leagues last night, against a team that shut KC down last year, and without Worthy or Rice. He looks like he's moving better this year with a chip on his shoulder. Mid-tier Big Ben or PR? I don't know. Lamar averaged just under 26 in 4pt passing TD leagues last season. KC still has Royals and Smith to work into gameplans, and Thornton seems to be a guy they can rely on as a deep threat. He was highly rated going into NE, let's not forget that.. I suspect Mahomes is in for a great season.

 

[rockaction]

I roster him and it gets worse every year. I don't think his output last night is a harbinger of good things to come. He has no weapons and was exposing himself on his runs all night. He isn't even as fast or as elusive as he once was. And there isn't just that there isn't anything deep when he throws, but that there's nothing of even intermediate depth. Last night was ugly and was actually terrible news for him going forward, in my opinion. The tweet below confirms what we've been watching the past few years. Nice record, Pat. Be a shame if something were to happen to it.

https://x.com/ESPNInsights/status/1964090668160074193

https://x.com/ESPNInsights
ESPN Insights

@ESPNInsights
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19h

Patrick Mahomes is 39-10 as a starter in the 3 seasons since losing Tyreek Hill. In that time, only Daniel Jones (6.4) has averaged fewer air yards per attempt than Mahomes (6.5)

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

I roster him and it gets worse every year. I don't think his output last night is a harbinger of good things to come. He has no weapons and was exposing himself on his runs all night. He isn't even as fast or as elusive as he once was. And there isn't just that there isn't anything deep when he throws, but that there's nothing of even intermediate depth. Last night was ugly and was actually terrible news for him going forward, in my opinion. The tweet below confirms what we've been watching the past few years. Nice record, Pat. Be a shame if something were to happen to it.

https://x.com/ESPNInsights/status/1964090668160074193

https://x.com/ESPNInsights
ESPN Insights

@ESPNInsights
·
19h

Patrick Mahomes is 39-10 as a starter in the 3 seasons since losing Tyreek Hill. In that time, only Daniel Jones (6.4) has averaged fewer air yards per attempt than Mahomes (6.5)

Mahomes looked good last night. Better physically than he has in a while. Stevie Wonder could see that. If Butker makes the extra point, things could have ended differently. Mahomes performed admirably considering he lost his #1 target so early.

39-10 is really good BTW, that's better than Tom Brady's career regular season win percentage. HTH.

 

[rockaction]

I roster him and it gets worse every year. I don't think his output last night is a harbinger of good things to come. He has no weapons and was exposing himself on his runs all night. He isn't even as fast or as elusive as he once was. And there isn't just that there isn't anything deep when he throws, but that there's nothing of even intermediate depth. Last night was ugly and was actually terrible news for him going forward, in my opinion. The tweet below confirms what we've been watching the past few years. Nice record, Pat. Be a shame if something were to happen to it.

https://x.com/ESPNInsights/status/1964090668160074193

https://x.com/ESPNInsights
ESPN Insights

@ESPNInsights
·
19h

Patrick Mahomes is 39-10 as a starter in the 3 seasons since losing Tyreek Hill. In that time, only Daniel Jones (6.4) has averaged fewer air yards per attempt than Mahomes (6.5)

Mahomes looked good last night. Better physically than he has in a while. Stevie Wonder could see that. If Butker makes the extra point, things could have ended differently. Mahomes performed admirably considering he lost his #1 target so early.

39-10 is really good BTW, that's better than Tom Brady's career regular season win percentage. HTH.

Dude, like I said in the other thread, you've been incapable of responding to me and others with anything but a sneer and condescension. And like I figured out from going back through your posts, you're generally wrong and ill-tempered. Please put me on ignore.

And I know how good that record is. That's ESPN doing a dichotomy of record juxtaposed against effectiveness of the QB and the popular perception thereof. Mahomes's value as a fantasy QB has plummeted the past three years, and I know it intimately because he's my dynasty QB in my main league.

Look at his points plummet year-by-year and then come back and make a cogent argument about why that will turn around this year instead of just insulting me and being condescending. That's how it should be done. But after watching last night and assessing his circumstances and his performance that's difficult to do so you point to the part of the tweet that means jack for fantasy and emphasize it like it'll save your broader point.

It won't.

LOL. Try harder.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

I roster him and it gets worse every year. I don't think his output last night is a harbinger of good things to come. He has no weapons and was exposing himself on his runs all night. He isn't even as fast or as elusive as he once was. And there isn't just that there isn't anything deep when he throws, but that there's nothing of even intermediate depth. Last night was ugly and was actually terrible news for him going forward, in my opinion. The tweet below confirms what we've been watching the past few years. Nice record, Pat. Be a shame if something were to happen to it.

https://x.com/ESPNInsights/status/1964090668160074193

https://x.com/ESPNInsights
ESPN Insights

@ESPNInsights
·
19h

Patrick Mahomes is 39-10 as a starter in the 3 seasons since losing Tyreek Hill. In that time, only Daniel Jones (6.4) has averaged fewer air yards per attempt than Mahomes (6.5)

Mahomes looked good last night. Better physically than he has in a while. Stevie Wonder could see that. If Butker makes the extra point, things could have ended differently. Mahomes performed admirably considering he lost his #1 target so early.

39-10 is really good BTW, that's better than Tom Brady's career regular season win percentage. HTH.

Dude, like I said in the other thread, you've been incapable of responding to me and others with anything but a sneer and condescension. And like I figured out from going back through your posts, you're generally wrong and ill-tempered. Please put me on ignore.

And I know how good that record is. That's ESPN doing a dichotomy of record juxtaposed against effectiveness of the QB and the popular perception thereof. Mahomes's value as a fantasy QB has plummeted the past three years, and I know it intimately because he's my dynasty QB in my main league.

Look at his points plummet year-by-year and then come back and make a cogent argument about why that will turn around this year instead of just insulting me and being condescending. That's how it should be done. But after watching last night and assessing him circumstances and his performance that's difficult to do so you point to the part of the tweet that means jack for fantasy and emphasize it like it'll save your broader point.

It won't.

LOL. Try harder.

You need to get a thicker skin. Attack others but can't stand the heat? Chill out. You said 39-10 like it was a bad thing. Just pointing out it's historically good. SMDH...

 

[rockaction]

I roster him and it gets worse every year. I don't think his output last night is a harbinger of good things to come. He has no weapons and was exposing himself on his runs all night. He isn't even as fast or as elusive as he once was. And there isn't just that there isn't anything deep when he throws, but that there's nothing of even intermediate depth. Last night was ugly and was actually terrible news for him going forward, in my opinion. The tweet below confirms what we've been watching the past few years. Nice record, Pat. Be a shame if something were to happen to it.

https://x.com/ESPNInsights/status/1964090668160074193

https://x.com/ESPNInsights
ESPN Insights

@ESPNInsights
·
19h

Patrick Mahomes is 39-10 as a starter in the 3 seasons since losing Tyreek Hill. In that time, only Daniel Jones (6.4) has averaged fewer air yards per attempt than Mahomes (6.5)

Mahomes looked good last night. Better physically than he has in a while. Stevie Wonder could see that. If Butker makes the extra point, things could have ended differently. Mahomes performed admirably considering he lost his #1 target so early.

39-10 is really good BTW, that's better than Tom Brady's career regular season win percentage. HTH.

Dude, like I said in the other thread, you've been incapable of responding to me and others with anything but a sneer and condescension. And like I figured out from going back through your posts, you're generally wrong and ill-tempered. Please put me on ignore.

And I know how good that record is. That's ESPN doing a dichotomy of record juxtaposed against effectiveness of the QB and the popular perception thereof. Mahomes's value as a fantasy QB has plummeted the past three years, and I know it intimately because he's my dynasty QB in my main league.

Look at his points plummet year-by-year and then come back and make a cogent argument about why that will turn around this year instead of just insulting me and being condescending. That's how it should be done. But after watching last night and assessing him circumstances and his performance that's difficult to do so you point to the part of the tweet that means jack for fantasy and emphasize it like it'll save your broader point.

It won't.

LOL. Try harder.

You need to get a thicker skin. Attack others but can't stand the heat? Chill out. You said 39-10 like it was a bad thing. Just pointing out it's historically good. SMDH...

No, this won't do. You don't act like you act and then say, "Suck it up, buttercup." Just doesn't work that way with me. I don't care whether you like or not. And the discussion is over. You're wrong not only about your opinions often, but I've had two-page long arguments with you when you're wrong about basic facts. I'm not sorry about never giving you any time in the future. Peace, man. I hope you find it somehow.

I won't be seeing you around.

 

[FarFromHome]

He isn't even as fast or as elusive as he once was.

I read a tweet that on one of his runs it was literally the fastest he had been clocked before. I really tried to find the post but failed. Hopefully someone can find it

 

[King of the Jungle]

I roster him and it gets worse every year. I don't think his output last night is a harbinger of good things to come. He has no weapons and was exposing himself on his runs all night. He isn't even as fast or as elusive as he once was. And there isn't just that there isn't anything deep when he throws, but that there's nothing of even intermediate depth. Last night was ugly and was actually terrible news for him going forward, in my opinion. The tweet below confirms what we've been watching the past few years. Nice record, Pat. Be a shame if something were to happen to it.

https://x.com/ESPNInsights/status/1964090668160074193

https://x.com/ESPNInsights
ESPN Insights

@ESPNInsights
·
19h

Patrick Mahomes is 39-10 as a starter in the 3 seasons since losing Tyreek Hill. In that time, only Daniel Jones (6.4) has averaged fewer air yards per attempt than Mahomes (6.5)

I was actually in awe of Mahomes in the second half. He looked like he could have had me out there running routes and he still would have given his team a chance to win at the end. I also was impressed with his speed and thought he looked quicker than in the past. As far as FF, this guy is seemingly screwed with injuries every year which is unfortunate. I think the plan this year was to get back to throwing downfield, but you can only work with what you have. I will be looking to buy low if Worthy’s injury is not too long term, once he has Rice/Worthy I think he will be very Ff productive.

 

[jumper]

Just wait until Mahomes to unleash his full self with his entire receiving team in full strength. Clearly, half of it went *POOF* last night after losing Worthy early in the game.

Yeah but even then will Mahomes be able to vault back into a Top 3 type QB (for fantasy purposes)? It seems entirely likely his new ceiling is mid-career Big Ben or Rivers where he's a no-doubt QB1 at a reasonable draft cost with big spike weeks, but unlikely to finish Top 3 for the season. No shame in that.

He had 26 points in 4 pt passing TD leagues last night, against a team that shut KC down last year, and without Worthy or Rice. He looks like he's moving better this year with a chip on his shoulder. Mid-tier Big Ben or PR? I don't know. Lamar averaged just under 26 in 4pt passing TD leagues last season. KC still has Royals and Smith to work into gameplans, and Thornton seems to be a guy they can rely on as a deep threat. He was highly rated going into NE, let's not forget that.. I suspect Mahomes is in for a great season.

I have no doubt he *could* be top 3 again, but given his weapons and offensive line I don't think he will. I'm not calling him a bum, just that his current situation does not seem conducive to reliably producing Top 3 seasons. If Rice comes back and turns into a consistent WR1 instead of a Jaylen Reed high variance type, that would help considerably.