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QB Russell Wilson, NYG (3 Viewers)

At this point Wilson is in the same class as Peyton, Luck, Rodgers, and Brees. The rest of the list is just laughable (Eli, M.Ryan, Stafford, Romo, Foles, Rivers, Roethlisburger, Brady, and Flacco). Those guys have the big names, big arms, and height, but I'll take the leadership and accuracy every time.
:lmao:

I love Wilson, but this is one the worst posts in the history of the SP up to this point. Very premature.

Brees is basically the same as Wilson as far as body size. So, you're wrong on part of your statement. How many 4000 yd seasons do Wilson have? Another positive for Wilson is that he has a defense all those guys could only dream of.
Good point. But it took Brees 6 seasons to get to 4,000 yards (4,418 in 2006) where he threw 26 TDs and 11 INTs. Prior to that he maxed out at 27 TDs in his 4th year in the league.

How about we table this one until Wilson's 6th year and we'll see where we stand. But otherwise, at least you were able to put words together to make a sentence.
Considering I have a minor in English, the act of writing sentences, paragraphs, papers, poems, and even rap lyrics have come pretty easy for me. Just as easy as you showing time and again that you are as much of a #### stain as ITS. Even when those on these board give Wilson the credit he is due, you two can't help but make your fanbase look like a bunch of a-holes. I don't think there are two worse homers here. Scratch that............you two give Shonuff and Sabertooth a run at the most blind homers here. It's a shame you make it bad for other Hawk fans.
Too bad you weren't on the debate team. It seems as though if I give you the smallest out you won't be able to counter the actual argument.

 
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At this point Wilson is in the same class as Peyton, Luck, Rodgers, and Brees. The rest of the list is just laughable (Eli, M.Ryan, Stafford, Romo, Foles, Rivers, Roethlisburger, Brady, and Flacco). Those guys have the big names, big arms, and height, but I'll take the leadership and accuracy every time.
:lmao:

I love Wilson, but this is one the worst posts in the history of the SP up to this point. Very premature.

Brees is basically the same as Wilson as far as body size. So, you're wrong on part of your statement. How many 4000 yd seasons do Wilson have? Another positive for Wilson is that he has a defense all those guys could only dream of.
You may have a minor in English but your reading comprehension is pretty weak. When I said "at this point", I wasn't comparing careers. Just looking at recent play and making a prediction about how elite they'll be going forward. Also, when I listed a bunch of guys with big names, big arms, and height, and then immediately referred to them as "those guys", notice that Brees was NOT in that list of guys.

 
At this point Wilson is in the same class as Peyton, Luck, Rodgers, and Brees. The rest of the list is just laughable (Eli, M.Ryan, Stafford, Romo, Foles, Rivers, Roethlisburger, Brady, and Flacco). Those guys have the big names, big arms, and height, but I'll take the leadership and accuracy every time.
:lmao: I love Wilson, but this is one the worst posts in the history of the SP up to this point. Very premature.

Brees is basically the same as Wilson as far as body size. So, you're wrong on part of your statement. How many 4000 yd seasons do Wilson have? Another positive for Wilson is that he has a defense all those guys could only dream of.
Good point. But it took Brees 6 seasons to get to 4,000 yards (4,418 in 2006) where he threw 26 TDs and 11 INTs. Prior to that he maxed out at 27 TDs in his 4th year in the league.

How about we table this one until Wilson's 6th year and we'll see where we stand. But otherwise, at least you were able to put words together to make a sentence.
Considering I have a minor in English, the act of writing sentences, paragraphs, papers, poems, and even rap lyrics have come pretty easy for me. Just as easy as you showing time and again that you are as much of a #### stain as ITS. Even when those on these board give Wilson the credit he is due, you two can't help but make your fanbase look like a bunch of a-holes. I don't think there are two worse homers here. Scratch that............you two give Shonuff and Sabertooth a run at the most blind homers here. It's a shame you make it bad for other Hawk fans.
:goodposting:

It's only a minor, after all.

 
At this point Wilson is in the same class as Peyton, Luck, Rodgers, and Brees. The rest of the list is just laughable (Eli, M.Ryan, Stafford, Romo, Foles, Rivers, Roethlisburger, Brady, and Flacco). Those guys have the big names, big arms, and height, but I'll take the leadership and accuracy every time.
:lmao: I love Wilson, but this is one the worst posts in the history of the SP up to this point. Very premature.

Brees is basically the same as Wilson as far as body size. So, you're wrong on part of your statement. How many 4000 yd seasons do Wilson have? Another positive for Wilson is that he has a defense all those guys could only dream of.
Good point. But it took Brees 6 seasons to get to 4,000 yards (4,418 in 2006) where he threw 26 TDs and 11 INTs. Prior to that he maxed out at 27 TDs in his 4th year in the league.

How about we table this one until Wilson's 6th year and we'll see where we stand. But otherwise, at least you were able to put words together to make a sentence.
Considering I have a minor in English, the act of writing sentences, paragraphs, papers, poems, and even rap lyrics have come pretty easy for me. Just as easy as you showing time and again that you are as much of a #### stain as ITS. Even when those on these board give Wilson the credit he is due, you two can't help but make your fanbase look like a bunch of a-holes. I don't think there are two worse homers here. Scratch that............you two give Shonuff and Sabertooth a run at the most blind homers here. It's a shame you make it bad for other Hawk fans.
Too bad you weren't on the debate team. It seems as though if I give you the smallest out you won't be able to counter the actual argument.
Maybe you should provide an actual argument. Instead all you've done is play the "wait and watch" card which isn't proving anything.
 
At this point Wilson is in the same class as Peyton, Luck, Rodgers, and Brees. The rest of the list is just laughable (Eli, M.Ryan, Stafford, Romo, Foles, Rivers, Roethlisburger, Brady, and Flacco). Those guys have the big names, big arms, and height, but I'll take the leadership and accuracy every time.
:lmao:

I love Wilson, but this is one the worst posts in the history of the SP up to this point. Very premature.

Brees is basically the same as Wilson as far as body size. So, you're wrong on part of your statement. How many 4000 yd seasons do Wilson have? Another positive for Wilson is that he has a defense all those guys could only dream of.
You may have a minor in English but your reading comprehension is pretty weak. When I said "at this point", I wasn't comparing careers. Just looking at recent play and making a prediction about how elite they'll be going forward. Also, when I listed a bunch of guys with big names, big arms, and height, and then immediately referred to them as "those guys", notice that Brees was NOT in that list of guys.
While I might be a man of many talents, I'm not a mind reader. If you are wanting to convey something, maybe you should learn to present it in the proper manner.

 
Wilson's first piece as Senior Editor of the Players' Tribune:

Let’s Talk About It

Russ was a bully:

I used to beat people up. Truthfully, I used to beat people up a lot. Many of you readers probably think I have been Mr. Goody Two-Shoes my whole life, but honestly, I was a bully growing up. In elementary and middle school, I threw kids against the wall. I rubbed their heads in the dirt at recess. I bit them. I even knocked teeth out.

I had a lot of anger that I didn’t know what to do with. Thankfully, I was saved by my faith when I was 14 years old, and was able to start living for others instead of just myself. But if you’ve ever been at the bottom of a pile with me, you know that I still have a bit of that bully deep down inside—just ask DeMarcus Ware—and I work hard to keep it there.

As NFL players, we do not play a gentle game. But our hits, our anger, our aggressive behaviors need to be regulated and confined to the field. Recent incidents of domestic violence have forced The League, its fans and the players to take a hard look into our collective conscience. To be honest, many NFL players are reluctant to address such a sensitive issue. How do you fix a problem so big and complex? How do you speak about something so damaging and painful to families?

Domestic violence extends far beyond the spotlight of the NFL. It’s not unique to my profession. It’s not confined to America. All over the world, right at this moment, men, women and children are taking refuge in anonymous shelters. Many more are suffering silently, without protection. Every day, up to 10,000 Americans are turned away from shelters due to lack of resources.

What can we do to help? All I can do is my small part. And I invite you to help me. I’ve recently launched the “Why Not You Foundation” where I’ll be raising funds and awareness for a number of worthy causes. It’s a place where I plan to give back, and for my first initiative, I want us to Pass the Peace to support victims of domestic violence. The idea behind Pass the Peace is simple: It’s a promise. I’m sharing my love for you. I want to take care of you. I am here for you. To be honest, many NFL players are reluctant to address such a sensitive issue. How do you fix a problem so big and complex?


Maybe in our cynical world, this seems too ambitious, or even naive. Maybe this issue is too taboo, too toxic. I’ve tended to avoid controversial topics throughout my career, but in my first piece for The Players’ Tribune, I wanted to be open and address something that’s important, timely and relevant. I’ve been silent on the issue for too long, falling back on the “I can’t speak to someone else’s personal life” excuse. But victims need physical, emotional and financial support and care, and the resources to get away from their abusers. Abusers, you need to get help—you can change.When you Pass the Peace to a friend, I ask that you make a $2 donation or more to The National Domestic Violence Hotline. It couldn’t be easier. Simply text WNYPassThePeace to 41444 to make your contribution. For more information, please visit www.whynotyoufoundation.com.

How many of you reading right now knew that October is Domestic Violence Awareness month? I certainly didn’t. I had to Google it. And that’s part of why I felt so inspired to do my part. This initiative, this story, is about acknowledging something difficult, something we’d rather not see. When I look back at beating kids up on the playground, I don’t like that image. But I moved past that place in my life, and I’m proud of the man I am now.

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This issue is much bigger than NFL suspensions. Domestic violence isn’t going to disappear tomorrow or the next day. But the more that we choose not to talk about it, the more we shy away from the issue, the more we lose.

I can’t fix the world. I can’t fix the NFL. I can’t change the guys around me. The only person I can change is the one in the mirror. I’m not a perfect person by any means. I’m just a recovering bully. But if we start being honest about our pain, our anger, and our shortcomings instead of pretending they don’t exist, then maybe we’ll leave the world a better place than we found it. For those of us in the NFL, there’s no excuse for violence off the field.
ETA: full text of article

 
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Right now, here's how I personally value the rookie QBs:

RG3 Wilson Luck ------Big Gap----------- Foles Tannehill Weeden Osweiler/Cousins

Fair warning, I haven't watched Cousins play in the preseason because I've always moved on to another game stream once RG3 was out.

RG3 - For the same reasons I love Wilson, I love RG3. Accurate, has arm strength, good leaderships skills... list goes on. I also can't discount the sheer amount of assets traded for him.

Wilson - I've been super high on this guy ever since I saw him crush the #### out of my beloved Cornhuskers. He's got all the tools to succeed, he just needed a receptive coach to let him showcase them. I would not be surprised if, in the end, Wilson was the best quarterback from this class.

Luck - I have to acknowledge that the guy is a skilled QB, but there's just something about him that I don't like. He can make the throws, he's intelligent, he's hard working... I just don't know what it is that I don't like. I'm skeptical that he'll have early success, and I'm skeptical that the coaching staff/support system in Indy is good enough to turn him into Peyton 2.0. He also just doesn't have that "face of the franchise" feel to him, like the previous two. Of course, that's not a requirement to be a successful NFL QB and keep in mind, I still have him in the tier of "I think these guys have an excellent shot for future fantasy relevance."

Foles - I rank him this highly mostly because of situation. I think he has the talent to run Andy Reid's offense pretty well (heck, if Kolb looked good there, Foles certainly can), and I'm down enough on Vick that I like his chances at starting a game within the next year.

Tannehill - I think he still has work to do as a pocket passer, and I'm not convinced he has a good enough surrounding cast (coaching/organization included) to make the required jump to fantasy success.

Weeden - Too much uncertainty around that organization for my tastes. Top that off with the razor thin margin for error that a 28 year old draft pick has, and I'll be staying away. Too many better QB options in your typical 12 team league to bank on this guy's development.

Osweiler - Latest victim of "Tall QB syndrome." I cringe nearly every time I see this guy throw the ball. He's in that awkward place where a dude at nearly 6'8" has to throw almost sidearm to keep the ball the right height for his receivers. At least, that's the best way I can describe what I think is wrong with how he throws. He doesn't look comfortable doing it and the passes have a weird trajectory to them. I say all of this as an Osweiler owner.

Cousins - Incomplete.
Feels like injuries have robbed RG3 of his once promising career, but I'm still happy with my initial assessment on Wilson.

 
:lmao: 5'-11"...maybe. He will go the way of Troy Smith and Pat White, both thought of as potential NFL starters yet failed miserably. His best case scenario is backup and injury fill in like that Wallace bum who I saw that they likened him to during the draft. Fantaasy irrelevant.
Nailed it.

 
Wherever Scientist is, just wanna say he was right about Wilson from the beginning - dude just never stops impressing me. Has the vision and smarts none of the other athletic QBs have.

I wasn't comfortable saying Wilson was an elite QB after the superbowl, but I am now through 5 weeks.

 
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He's top 5, without a doubt. In fact, I would almost put him in the top 3 now. He makes plays all over the place, and what's really impressive is he just doesn't turn the ball over.

 
Russel Wilson is a sick combination of Kurt Warner and Steve Young. What a clinic!!! Does anyone here really think that when Carroll fully unleashes the reins he will not be a 300/2 - 3 td guy every week just on virtue of his passing ability?

 
I thought I severely trade raped a guy in the off-season in one of my dynasty leagues when I gave him Russell Wilson and Markus Wheaton for Cordarrelle Patterson and EJ Manuel.

Ouch.

 
I've come to realize the RW is a special player. He reminds me of Steve Young back in the day. He's not the passer that Luck is but Luck isn't the athlete that RW is. It's going to be a great next 10 years watching these fellas.

 
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The thing about RW that I am impressed with the most, is that he never gets hit when he runs.
Yep. He is a very smart player in that regard. He'll get tons of yards, but go down or out of bounds right before contact is about to arrive. Some guys get hung up on trying to get every last yard, while putting themselves at risk, but Wilson knows that living to play another down is way more important. His intangibles are off the chart.

 
Wilson could lose his next 20 games and still have a better winning percentage than RGIII and Ryan Tannehill.
I'm sure that has nothing to do with having the best defense and one of the best running games, right? Some people walk into great situations and some don't. Being a high pick in the draft usually means you don't.

Sorry to ruin the circle jerk, I know you guys are enjoying each other. Russell Wilson is a good QB and a good game manager. He's a great fit for a power running team that has a great defense. Do I think Alex Smith or someone similar could put up very similar numbers and win just as many games in Seattle? Yes.

I mean people in here are calling him a future Hall of Famer...comparing him to Drew Brees. Drew Brees hasn't thrown for less than 4388 yards in the past 8 years. The top QBs in the NFL are the main cogs in pass first offenses without elite defenses and are still contenders every year. Take away Lynch, replace the defense with an average or above average defense, and their stadium specifically engineered for noise with an average stadium and do you see Wilson leading this team to the playoffs year after year? I'm sure most of the people here do, but anybody with a level head wouldn't.

Russell Wilson is a good QB and the perfect fit for a complete team that just needs someone to not screw up. He's MUCH closer to Alex Smith than he is to Drew Brees.
If you took the time to read and comprehend, I said on his way to the career path of Drew Brees. Are you aware that he played for the Chargers?
What about his game is similar to Drew Brees? His height?

Tell me what about his game is more similar to Drew Brees than it is to Alex Smith?
Why do you keep missing the "career path" aspect of my argument?Tell me about Drew Brees' seasons in SD. His stats, supporting cast, what he was asked to do, character, work ethic, etc.

Wilson is actually better than Brees.
I see that you keep dodging my question. Seems like a lot of tooting horns in here but no real information or reasoning to back up claims. Yes, I know that Brees didn't put up great numbers in SD. That team has a great running game and that was their main focus. Yes, Brees' numbers are similar to Wilsons numbers right now, which aren't exciting.

So your reasoning for saying that Wilson is better than Drew Brees and a future HOFer is what? Because Brees put up similar numbers early in his career? Lots of QBs complete 63% of their passes and throw for 3300 yards, why isn't Wilson similar to them? Why is he only similar to the elite ones?
Welcome back to the thread.
 
I'm coming around, slowly but it's happening.

The trait that sets most top qbs apart is pocket awareness. That ability to feel pressure (and know where it's likely to come from), move around the pocket to create that extra second or half-second, keep their eyes downfield, and deliver the throw in close quarters. That's what Rodgers does so well, Luck, Manning, Brees, Brady, Rivers etc

Some great qbs are not elite at this but still make it work in their own way. Ben is huge and very difficult to bring down. Romo evades pressure really well. etc

But Wilson has his own way of making it work when the pocket collapses or he needs to buy time. He routinely runs backwards or laterally 10+ yards and turns his back to his receivers while spinning. For most qbs this spells doom but Wilson seems to be comfortable and has the freedom to employ this technique multiple times per game. It really gives his (less than stellar group of) receivers an advantage because they now have 3+ seconds to get open instead of just 2. It makes Seattle very difficult to defend coupled with Lynch and Wilson's ability to run downfield.

It's nontraditional, and I'm still skeptical it's ideal but for now it seems to be working just fine.

 
Wilson is actually better than Brees.
:lmao: I love Wilson, but GTFO with the "better than Brees." Young Roethlisberger is the best comp IMO other than the size difference. Very efficient for a young player, a winner, but obviously not the main piece of his team or even on the offense. Drew Brees carries his team on his shoulders and shatters records, guy. Wilson is just one cog in the machine thus far in Seattle. Let's wait just a bit before we say he's better than a 1st ballot HOFer, mmmmkay? He's off to a great start, obviously, but he's nowhere near the Manning, Brady, Brees, Rodgers tier of current NFL QBs. He might get there eventually, but he might not and end up as an Aikman / Big Ben type -- not that there's any shame in that at all as that's HOF level in itself, but it's a giant step up from there to the "top few QBs ever," the guys re-writing the record books and carrying entire franchises on their backs to Lombardi trophies, where Brees ends up when it's all said and done.
Regarding Brees, I agree he isn't better today. Wilson's first two seasons were better than Brees's first two seasons, by a large margin. I think that was the original point. But the first two seasons of a lot of non-HOF QBs were better than Brees's first two seasons, so that isn't very meaningful.

Manning, Brady, Brees, Rodgers are all seasoned veterans. Wilson is 25. He has shown enough potential that he could ultimately belong in that tier. Even now, he is in the next tier, and arguably as good as anyone in that next tier. That is the argument for claiming he is a top 5 QB.

And over the next three years, Peyton, Brady, and Brees will either retire or almost certainly decline, while at the same time odds are that the Seattle defense and running game (Lynch) will decline. Wilson will be in his prime and IMO will be in that top tier within that window.

So to say he is "nowhere near" the top tier is overstating it IMO.
:goodposting: Better today perhaps?

 
Wilson is actually better than Brees.
:lmao: I love Wilson, but GTFO with the "better than Brees." Young Roethlisberger is the best comp IMO other than the size difference. Very efficient for a young player, a winner, but obviously not the main piece of his team or even on the offense. Drew Brees carries his team on his shoulders and shatters records, guy. Wilson is just one cog in the machine thus far in Seattle. Let's wait just a bit before we say he's better than a 1st ballot HOFer, mmmmkay? He's off to a great start, obviously, but he's nowhere near the Manning, Brady, Brees, Rodgers tier of current NFL QBs. He might get there eventually, but he might not and end up as an Aikman / Big Ben type -- not that there's any shame in that at all as that's HOF level in itself, but it's a giant step up from there to the "top few QBs ever," the guys re-writing the record books and carrying entire franchises on their backs to Lombardi trophies, where Brees ends up when it's all said and done.
Regarding Brees, I agree he isn't better today. Wilson's first two seasons were better than Brees's first two seasons, by a large margin. I think that was the original point. But the first two seasons of a lot of non-HOF QBs were better than Brees's first two seasons, so that isn't very meaningful.

Manning, Brady, Brees, Rodgers are all seasoned veterans. Wilson is 25. He has shown enough potential that he could ultimately belong in that tier. Even now, he is in the next tier, and arguably as good as anyone in that next tier. That is the argument for claiming he is a top 5 QB.

And over the next three years, Peyton, Brady, and Brees will either retire or almost certainly decline, while at the same time odds are that the Seattle defense and running game (Lynch) will decline. Wilson will be in his prime and IMO will be in that top tier within that window.

So to say he is "nowhere near" the top tier is overstating it IMO.
:goodposting: Better today perhaps?
There's no doubt that Wilson is playing better football than Brees this year. I agree that we should hold off on the Hall of Fame talk, but anyone who doesn't see that Wilson is taking another step toward being elite is missing the boat. He's 100% the most valuable member of the Seattle offense this year. It's not even close.

 
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Pete Prisco, insane person, offered this on Wilson during the game, and proceeded to get crushed for it.

@PriscoCBS

If that's new-generation quarterbacking, you can have it.
At least he's consistent :shrug: When Cam Newton was bailing himself out with his legs or making a "run" read on the read option he was an incompetent / incomplete QB who needed to learn the craft.

 
@PriscoCBS

It's so funny. When Eli Manning destroys the Redskins defense, it's the bad defense. When Wilson scores 24, the media makes him a legend.

 
@PriscoCBS

It's so funny. When Eli Manning destroys the Redskins defense, it's the bad defense. When Wilson scores 24, the media makes him a legend.
Here's what I find funny about this:

Eli Manning accounted for 301 yards, 5 TDs, and 1 INT.

Russell Wilson accounted for 323 yards, 3 TDs, and no INTs.

He's mixing score with passing yards to make his case, and why he would need to qualify QBs into "new generation" so he could dismiss the rush yards. When you put those side by side and then add in that the Giants defense gave Eli 5 turnovers I think it's clear who really carried their team.

 
Top 5 im fantasy this year?
can see it, though i don't know if i would put real money on that given how awesome luck/rivers/ryan have been in addition to the usual suspects. feels like one of the established "big 3" would have to finish outside the top 5 for wilson to get in.

FWIW wilson is #3 QB in points per game in my league right now...

 
Top 5 im fantasy this year?
can see it, though i don't know if i would put real money on that given how awesome luck/rivers/ryan have been in addition to the usual suspects. feels like one of the established "big 3" would have to finish outside the top 5 for wilson to get in.

FWIW wilson is #3 QB in points per game in my league right now...
Ryan and Brees are no lock to finish ahead of Russell Wilson, but his tier matters more than his final ranking. He may end up as the #7 QB within 10 points of #4. He's part of a group of guys putting up similar numbers right now (Peyton, Rivers, Ryan, Rodgers, Cutler).

 

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