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QB Russell Wilson, NYG (3 Viewers)
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Synthesizer
Footballguy
Almost 40% of his fantasy points have come from his rushing. And quite a bit of his passing stats have come from trick/read-option plays (like his 2 passing TDs in week one). Seattle has the read-option working so well that I think he can keep it up. But that's not a good sign for his development as a passer.
SteelerMurf
Footballguy
Or a guy who throws ONE TD pass over last 3 games!do you consider QB8 who scored under 20 pts three of four games a MUST start?Even with the pretty bad month, he's still QB8 for the year. He's outscored every QB who was being drafted slightly ahead of him this summer (Ryan, Kaepernick, Stafford, Romo, Foles, Newton, RG3, and Cutler). Being "safe" at QB isn't a bad thing.Take the day off.Wilson was a borderline starter in 12-teamers his first year, he was a borderline starter in 12-teamers his second year, and after trading away their best receiver, he's now plunging toward that territory again in a hurry. He's still on pace for career best fantasy numbers in rushing the ball, but he's also now on pace for career worsts passing it. He's only remotely "must start" if you're a delusional Seahawk fan. Otherwise, the numbers say he's a spot starter at best, just as he has been his whole career.
He's a good little QB, but more along the lines of "safe if you haven't got anyone better" for fantasy.
I won't be here all day to help you understand these things.
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
Sure you can. And with confidence. He's been scoring over 20 points a game in my league (except for one game).
CapnJB
Footballguy
Fun fact:
This year, the five running backs taken in the first two rounds of the 2012 NFL draft have a combined total of 630 yards rushing and 4 TDs. (Trent Richardson, Doug Martin, David Wilson, Isaiah Pead, LaMichael James)
Russell Wilson currently has 644 yards rushing and 4 TDs.
This year, the five running backs taken in the first two rounds of the 2012 NFL draft have a combined total of 630 yards rushing and 4 TDs. (Trent Richardson, Doug Martin, David Wilson, Isaiah Pead, LaMichael James)
Russell Wilson currently has 644 yards rushing and 4 TDs.
seahawk 17
Footballguy
You know he's going to be running a ton tomorrow to soften up that defense.Fun fact:
This year, the five running backs taken in the first two rounds of the 2012 NFL draft have a combined total of 630 yards rushing and 4 TDs. (Trent Richardson, Doug Martin, David Wilson, Isaiah Pead, LaMichael James)
Russell Wilson currently has 644 yards rushing and 4 TDs.
shadyridr
Footballguy
What are we doing with him tomorrow. Hes proven me wrong lately and been a solid fantasy qb due to his legs. But the 49ers are the 2nd toughest team vs QBs. Last year he scored 14 pts both games vs SF. Im debating between him and Ryan who also has a tough matchup but at least hes home.
jtp1982
Footballguy
I was doubting him due to matchups until he put up very solid numbers the past two weeks against top 5 defenses (for fantasy QBs).
Seems like he's running so much right now matchups are becoming irrelevant. If anything the matchups are keeping Lynch from totally dominating the game scripts.
Going into the playoffs with him the only question I have is whether or not he can keep running so much without an injury.
Seems like he's running so much right now matchups are becoming irrelevant. If anything the matchups are keeping Lynch from totally dominating the game scripts.
Going into the playoffs with him the only question I have is whether or not he can keep running so much without an injury.
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
I've been riding Wilson ALL year and I'm still debating starting him or Metzenberger as I really need a win this week. It's tough because he's been pretty solid but I agree with others that his running is the only thing that's saving his FF game. Not sure he'll do that well against SF.
shadyridr
Footballguy
yep i was thinking about metzenberger too. I need a win and need others to lose to make the playoffs so maybe ill roll the dice.
No. 16
Footballguy
Division opponent on the road. I'm passing on him this week in favor of Stafford who I traded for because of Wilson's playoff schedule (Golden Tate).
However, if he goes off this week I'm starting him with confidence especially if Stafford is average.
However, if he goes off this week I'm starting him with confidence especially if Stafford is average.
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fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Wilson has been more than adequate given his ADP. He runs so much that he has a lot of value. If he even gets a single TD in a game, I feel like he backs into 18 points
mphtrilogy
Footballguy
Really wish they hadn't traded harvin
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Neofight
Footballguy
I have a gut feeling that the Seahawks will have some surprises in store for the 49ers. Russell may not get his numbers running, but the Seahawks will try to hit some shots down field; the vertical game has been limited this year. I see a Paul Richardson coming out party off some play action.
Of course I'm probably wrong, but something tells me he will put it up. Whether the WR's can get separation is another matter...
Of course I'm probably wrong, but something tells me he will put it up. Whether the WR's can get separation is another matter...
Baloney Sandwich
Footballguy
Starting Eli over him, did the same last week
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
Sanchez over him in two leagues where there are passing yard bonuses. In my main league with no bonus, I'm debating him or mccown believe it or not. The two 14 point totals last year really concern me. He has been running more than ever though...
Tau837
Footballguy
White Lightning
Footballguy
I'm going with Sanchez in two leagues based RW tough matchup, his track record against SF, and the potential shoot out in Dallas. Bloom has also been "Sanchizing" pretty hard in his advise thread.
seahawk 17
Footballguy
Starting Wilson over Eli and Sanchez. Wilson will have a combined 300 yards today and 2 TD's.
shadyridr
Footballguy
i picked up mett. Debating between them two. Rw will have under 200 yds passing but could get 70yds rushing
Bud
Footballguy
I'm in the same boat. The outlook for fantasy production in SEA/SF game is far from optimal. Road game with a low over/under on a short week and a bad matchup, no thanks. He could have a solid high floor game this week but the chances of a wacky barn burner seem extremely low. 5 field goal type of game.Probably going to roll with Rivers vs. Baltimore over Wilson.
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
I think I'm going to roll with Mettenberger this week over Wilson. SF has had Wilson in check in EVERY game he's ever played against them except the 2nd meeting in his rookie year.
Here are his totals the last 4 times he's played them based on my league scoring (6pt TD, 1pt/20yards passing, 1pt/10yds rushing):
2012
Week 7 : 7.1
Week 16: 36.4 (@SEATTLE)
2013
Week 2 : 16.4
Week 14: 16.1
That's pretty low scoring for a QB in our league.
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ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Looking like this bold prediction will be 100% correct.Great pick, fell right to a team which gives him a great chance for success. He'll end up being one of the top 2 QBs coming out of this years draft.
Ray Barboni
Footballguy
AAABatteries
Footballguy
He had a TD overturned on a bogus PI call. He was solid and just missed 3 TDs with that long pass down to the 1.
Baloney Sandwich
Footballguy
Ended up starting Wilson over Eli when I was drunk under the solid logic that my team really came to play on Thanksgiving after Calvin and Jordan Marthews had good games.
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
I ended up benching Wilson for Zach Mettenberger. 20 pts is a solid effort and is around typically what I get from Wilson, so he at least did like he normally does.
Hoping Mettenberger can eclipse that, though. He did drop 299 and 2 TDs on Houston a couple weeks ago so hopefully he'll at least match that.
Hoping Mettenberger can eclipse that, though. He did drop 299 and 2 TDs on Houston a couple weeks ago so hopefully he'll at least match that.
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Still a great call made so early, funny how there is a thread about Flacco vs Griffin but no one thought to ask who would be the no.2 QB after Luck.Great pick, fell right to a team which gives him a great chance for success. He'll end up being one of the top 2 QBs coming out of this years draft.
I'm guessing a 2012 thread asking for who was the 2nd best QB picked in the draft after Luck, featuring RW, Griffin, Tannehill, Foles, Cousins and Osweiler, would make for pretty funny reading right about now.
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Why? He is 5th among quarterbacks in fantasy points scored per week this year, and it's not like he had one or two crazy great weeks to inflate his overall average, ala Roethlisberger. He scores around 20 almost every week.
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Hooper31
Footballguy
More evidence that Florio isn't in the business of journalism, he's in the business of entertainment. "A league source"? What the #### does that mean? Of course it's not anyone in the Seattle front office. It could be anyone. It could be a scout in Atlanta that Florio is buddies with and happens to dislike Wilson for some bizarre reason. The idea that Seattle isn't going to pay Wilson is absurd.
I get that Faust is trying to share news. He does this in tons of threads, but this is an example that certainly not newsworthy. Florio is in the business of generating buzz. If he ever had any journalistic integrity is was gone long ago.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Yup with his rushing numbers, his floor is very high. He doesn't turn the ball over. All he needs is 1 TD per game and he puts up very nice fantasy numbers.
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
At Phi should be a big game for Russ. They will likely need to score points. He should be able to rush for lots of yardage, and playing from behind is also in play. Solid start ..curious to see where sites rank him this week.
This guy is the real deal.
Bottom line is he is a winner and does what it takes for his team to win.
The scary thing is that he will only get better moving forward. Even though, he had very few weapons to work with this year he has had a very productive fantasy year and also a very productive real year for the Seahawks. Lynch, only has a year or two left on the Seahawks and I imagine it will be the Seahawks top priority to get more receiving weapons for Russell to work with going forward. This year, we have seen the handcuffs being slowly removed from Wilson and the future is super bright for him, IMO. He is like Brees only a better runner.
In Dynasty leagues the only QB higher than Wilson for me would be Luck.,
Bottom line is he is a winner and does what it takes for his team to win.
The scary thing is that he will only get better moving forward. Even though, he had very few weapons to work with this year he has had a very productive fantasy year and also a very productive real year for the Seahawks. Lynch, only has a year or two left on the Seahawks and I imagine it will be the Seahawks top priority to get more receiving weapons for Russell to work with going forward. This year, we have seen the handcuffs being slowly removed from Wilson and the future is super bright for him, IMO. He is like Brees only a better runner.
In Dynasty leagues the only QB higher than Wilson for me would be Luck.,
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biju
Footballguy
I actually believe the better idea might be to draft a better pass-blocking O-line. If Wilson is given the time he'll tear a secondary apart. Think if he had even more time before he needed to scramble...
Tau837
Footballguy
A few impressive facts:
1. Wilson is 38-13 in his NFL career (regular and postseason). In the 2 seasons under Carroll before he was drafted, Seattle was 14-18.
2. Seattle has only lost one game by more than 7 points with Wilson at QB -- they lost 21-30 @SD earlier this season, with SD kicking a FG with 20 seconds remaining to get to that final margin. So the Seahawks have won 75% of their games with Wilson at QB, and they have been in every single game.
3. Wilson has already led 13 game winning drives in his career. So he has led a game winning drive as often as the team has lost with him at QB.
Obviously, Wilson is not the only reason for these facts. In particular, the defense has had a lot to do with #1 and #2. But this is still extremely impressive.
1. Wilson is 38-13 in his NFL career (regular and postseason). In the 2 seasons under Carroll before he was drafted, Seattle was 14-18.
2. Seattle has only lost one game by more than 7 points with Wilson at QB -- they lost 21-30 @SD earlier this season, with SD kicking a FG with 20 seconds remaining to get to that final margin. So the Seahawks have won 75% of their games with Wilson at QB, and they have been in every single game.
3. Wilson has already led 13 game winning drives in his career. So he has led a game winning drive as often as the team has lost with him at QB.
Obviously, Wilson is not the only reason for these facts. In particular, the defense has had a lot to do with #1 and #2. But this is still extremely impressive.
Wilson's such a strange case to me.
He's clearly got what it takes to be an elite-level game manager, which is a great thing to be when your defense and running are so stout. But even though that phrase shouldn't have a negative connotation, it does for whatever reason.
And he's just as clearly not JUST a game manager. I don't think he's got the tools to ever put up really big passing numbers, but he seems to have nerves of steel that allow him to really step up when the games and even seasons are on the line. And that's something that's been true of only a handful of guys in this league, and many of them are HOF'ers.
And then of course, he's also turned into this really opportunistic running threat -- kind of a take-what-they-give-you guy done at an A+ level.
To me, the combo of skills is almost unique in the league's history. I'm not really sure how to "rank him," if it even matters. And I sort of fear his level of respect with fans and media will always sort of trail behind his real life value because of it. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing for the team.
All I know is if I were Seattle, I'd move mountains to try to make sure starting next year he doesn't HAVE to run nearly as much. The history of the NFL isn't kind to QB's who have to make a sizable chunk of their living running the ball. I'm not sure there's been an elite rushing QB who managed more than a very brief run of sustained production before the inevitability of physical destruction caught up with him. Would hate to see that happen to Russ. I guess if that's what the team needs to succeed this year, I'd keep my fingers crossed and hope for the best, but with the new contract looming, he's going to be too expensive a piece to risk letting him run as often as he's had to this year.
He's clearly got what it takes to be an elite-level game manager, which is a great thing to be when your defense and running are so stout. But even though that phrase shouldn't have a negative connotation, it does for whatever reason.
And he's just as clearly not JUST a game manager. I don't think he's got the tools to ever put up really big passing numbers, but he seems to have nerves of steel that allow him to really step up when the games and even seasons are on the line. And that's something that's been true of only a handful of guys in this league, and many of them are HOF'ers.
And then of course, he's also turned into this really opportunistic running threat -- kind of a take-what-they-give-you guy done at an A+ level.
To me, the combo of skills is almost unique in the league's history. I'm not really sure how to "rank him," if it even matters. And I sort of fear his level of respect with fans and media will always sort of trail behind his real life value because of it. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing for the team.
All I know is if I were Seattle, I'd move mountains to try to make sure starting next year he doesn't HAVE to run nearly as much. The history of the NFL isn't kind to QB's who have to make a sizable chunk of their living running the ball. I'm not sure there's been an elite rushing QB who managed more than a very brief run of sustained production before the inevitability of physical destruction caught up with him. Would hate to see that happen to Russ. I guess if that's what the team needs to succeed this year, I'd keep my fingers crossed and hope for the best, but with the new contract looming, he's going to be too expensive a piece to risk letting him run as often as he's had to this year.
mphtrilogy
Footballguy
ive been a fan of his since day 1, even reached for him too early last year and screwed my whole ffl season up... this year i hope he comes thru for me this week!
steveski
Footballguy
Yeah I was lucky to survive a poor showing this past week. I could really use a make-up game this week. Arizona has given up decent numbers to pretty much every decent QB they've played against. And the fact that their offense is hindered should allow the Seahawks to have the ball more often. I like this matchup even though the numbers say that Arizona is 12th best against opposing QB's. The only QB's that scored less than 20 points on them in my league are:
Rivers 15.9 Week 1
Carr
Weeden
Davis
Stafford
Hill
So only 2 decent QB's with Stafford and Rivers and both have been inconsistent all year.
Rivers 15.9 Week 1
Carr
Weeden
Davis
Stafford
Hill
So only 2 decent QB's with Stafford and Rivers and both have been inconsistent all year.
