QB Russell Wilson, NYG (2 Viewers)

[Bob Magaw]

I don't have an assumption that Wilson benefiting from Lynch and Lynch benefiting from Wilson in the run game are mutually exclusive propositions, but can't speak for others.

As to the former part, Lynch would be a great RB on lots of teams and with lots of style QBs (and no doubt vice verce). I think Lynch led the league in NFL in missed tackles in 2014 (if so, it isn't obvious what that would have to do with Wilson)? If defenses aren't "selling out" to stop Wilson from running and passing, and "daring" Lynch to beat them via the run game, it may be that the benefit accrued isn't completely symmetrical. But like with most things, suggesting Wilson benefits 100% from Lynch and Lynch 0% from Wilson would be a gross over-simplification, and sounds more like a caricature than an actual common belief (but again, perhaps a few people hold this, dunno)?

 

[Tau837]

Good article: Film Room: Russell Wilson's Mobility

The whole article is good, but I thought this was an interesting point that isn't mentioned much:

...a monster payday is coming Wilson's way very soon. Some will argue he does not deserve to be among the highest-paid quarterbacks due to his lack of volume. An increase in pay will make it very difficult to sustain the best defense in the league. However, I think Wilson's unique style of play will allow the Seahawks to save a lot of money on the offensive line and fantasy positions. The growing deficiencies at those positions are rarely discussed with this team, because they are still enjoying success. Wilson's ability to help cover up some of those flaws is a big advantage.

 

[massraider]

Yawn. Let me know when a deadline starts coming up and then I'll care.

This. Dog days of summer, and PFT is looking for page views.

 

[Faust]

Russell Wilson: If it's $25M or $1.5M, I'll be ready to go

 

[Sabertooth]

Russell Wilson sees the Super Bowl loss as motivation

I agree. He will be motivated. He needs to erase this memory.

 

[PDX_Seahawk]

Maybe I have reading comprehension problems or maybe I just am not looking hard enough but at what point did RW actually say he wanted to be the "highest paid QB" or "highest paid player" in the NFL? Are there links to this? It's constantly reported so it must come from some kind of reputable source? Right?

 

[Sabertooth]

Well, he never said he didn't.

 

[MikeApf]

Maybe I have reading comprehension problems or maybe I just am not looking hard enough but at what point did RW actually say he wanted to be the "highest paid QB" or "highest paid player" in the NFL? Are there links to this? It's constantly reported so it must come from some kind of reputable source? Right?

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25225036/report-russell-wilson-wants-to-be-nfls-highest-paid-player

I don't have any kind of direct video of him saying it so who knows exactly how Wilson thinks. That said, just giving you this link to let you know that folks are responding to. I believe the idea here is that "sources" say that WIlson's agent has put out contract demands that exceed Aaron Rodgers and that when asked about it, the agent didn't deny it.

So, while there's no video of Wilson saying, "I want to be the highest paid player in the NFL," it's also not the case that folks are just making wild rumors up either. As often is the case, the truth is somewhere in between. Most likely the agent has put out very aggressive demands, but that doesn't mean that it's all they will settle for either. It's a negotiation obviously and you are going to start with something very aggressive.

 

[Tau837]

Wilson has earned a place in the top tier or two of NFL QBs, and many of the other QBs in the top tiers are about to age out. Wilson's next contract will presumably be for 5+ years, so it is about long term value. Wilson is at least 7 years younger than all of these QBs: Peyton, Brady, Brees, Romo, Roethlisberger, Eli, Rivers, Palmer.

Long term, there are only 2 QBs who should be ranked higher than Wilson: Rodgers and Luck. There is no basis to rank any others above him.

Given that the ongoing negotiations are targeted at working out a contract extension for Wilson this offseason, that would mean he would sign a contract in between the Rodgers' extension 2 years ago and Luck's extension next offseason. So it makes perfect sense that Wilson would be highest paid at the time he signs it, then Luck will surpass him next offseason, then a couple years later Rodgers will surpass Luck. This is the natural progression of NFL contracts.

 

[Freelove]

Maybe I have reading comprehension problems or maybe I just am not looking hard enough but at what point did RW actually say he wanted to be the "highest paid QB" or "highest paid player" in the NFL? Are there links to this? It's constantly reported so it must come from some kind of reputable source? Right?

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25225036/report-russell-wilson-wants-to-be-nfls-highest-paid-player

I don't have any kind of direct video of him saying it so who knows exactly how Wilson thinks. That said, just giving you this link to let you know that folks are responding to. I believe the idea here is that "sources" say that WIlson's agent has put out contract demands that exceed Aaron Rodgers and that when asked about it, the agent didn't deny it.

So, while there's no video of Wilson saying, "I want to be the highest paid player in the NFL," it's also not the case that folks are just making wild rumors up either. As often is the case, the truth is somewhere in between. Most likely the agent has put out very aggressive demands, but that doesn't mean that it's all they will settle for either. It's a negotiation obviously and you are going to start with something very aggressive.

Any agent worth a damn will tell his client to clam up about money stuff come contract time, and let him (the agent) do the talking. Anything that says (player) wants such-and-such really just means (according to player's agent).

 

[Faust]

Agent: It's about winning and Russell Wilson does that 'very, very well'

 

[Faust]

Russell Wilson would “definitely consider” playing baseball if traded to the Mariners:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/07/03/russell-wilson-takes-his-turn-on-late-night-tv/

 

[Tau837]

Interesting article: The Seahawks need Russell Wilson more than he needs them

One thing not even mentioned in the article is the likelihood that going to another team would mean better pass protection and/or better targets (at least compared to the past three seasons).

 

[The Commish]

Russell Wilson would “definitely consider” playing baseball if traded to the Mariners:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/07/03/russell-wilson-takes-his-turn-on-late-night-tv/

No he wouldn't. It's stuff like this that makes me shake my head at guys who buy in 100% to the persona Wilson presents to the media and fans. This is NOT to say I have issue with Wilson in general. By NFL standards he's a breath of fresh air. All those looking to place blame completely on the Seahawks are a bit naive IMO. Both sides are looking pretty foolish at this point.

 

[Sabertooth]

Wilson does like the attention doesn't he? Classic Napolean syndrome.

 

[biju]

Wilson does like the attention doesn't he? Classic Napolean syndrome.

It's funny you should say that...

 

[ImTheScientist]

Wilson does like the attention doesn't he? Classic Napolean syndrome.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Wilson does like the attention doesn't he? Classic Napolean syndrome.

Hey look! It's the guy who runs and hides when his team loses!

 

[GOB]

http://m.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/russell-wilson-ciara-arent-having-sex-god-asked-me-lead-her-201577

Russell Wilson is practicing abstinence. I guess ####### the Packers D every season is keeping him satisfied.

 

[CR69]

Looks like Carroll is off the hook - http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25235343/russell-wilson-says-god-spoke-to-him-and-explained-super-bowl-interception

 

[Faust]

Pursuit of big-money contract comes at a cost for Seahawks QB Russell Wilson

 

[Faust]

Russell Wilson blessed to be making more than three times the average NFL salary in 1991

 

[Faust]

Tip O’ the Salary Cap: What to Do About Russell Wilson?

 

[Faust]

Doug Farrar ‏@SI_DougFarrar 12h12 hours ago

Working on a very detailed stats/tape piece on Russell Wilson that will go up tomorrow. But here's one stat for now...

Doug Farrar ‏@SI_DougFarrar 12h12 hours ago

In the pocket in 2014, Wilson had the same passer rating as Drew Brees (96.0), and higher rating than Ryan, Luck, Eli Manning & Joe Flacco.

 

[Freelove]

Doug Farrar ‏@SI_DougFarrar 12h12 hours ago

Working on a very detailed stats/tape piece on Russell Wilson that will go up tomorrow. But here's one stat for now...

Doug Farrar ‏@SI_DougFarrar 12h12 hours ago

In the pocket in 2014, Wilson had the same passer rating as Drew Brees (96.0), and higher rating than Ryan, Luck, Eli Manning & Joe Flacco.

He'd better be at or near the top in PR from the pocket. If you lead the NFL in rushing by that amount, you're facing radically depleted secondaries every time you drop back. You'll get chased out of the pocket more often, since teams are selling out at the LOS to stop the run, but that won't affect your rating for when you manage to stay in one.

Bit of a non-stat. More likely, an honest effort by a guy who couldn't think through the reasoning, and thought there was something where there was nothing. That kind of effort describes 99% of sports writing, and just shy of 100% of forum posting. :(

 

[Tau837]

Doug Farrar ‏@SI_DougFarrar 12h12 hours ago

Working on a very detailed stats/tape piece on Russell Wilson that will go up tomorrow. But here's one stat for now...

Doug Farrar ‏@SI_DougFarrar 12h12 hours ago

In the pocket in 2014, Wilson had the same passer rating as Drew Brees (96.0), and higher rating than Ryan, Luck, Eli Manning & Joe Flacco.

He'd better be at or near the top in PR from the pocket. If you lead the NFL in rushing by that amount, you're facing radically depleted secondaries every time you drop back. You'll get chased out of the pocket more often, since teams are selling out at the LOS to stop the run, but that won't affect your rating for when you manage to stay in one.

Bit of a non-stat. More likely, an honest effort by a guy who couldn't think through the reasoning, and thought there was something where there was nothing. That kind of effort describes 99% of sports writing, and just shy of 100% of forum posting. :(

And your posts are in that tiny sliver of forum postings where we can trust the reasoning, right?

 

[biju]

Doug Farrar ‏@SI_DougFarrar 12h12 hours ago

Working on a very detailed stats/tape piece on Russell Wilson that will go up tomorrow. But here's one stat for now...

Doug Farrar ‏@SI_DougFarrar 12h12 hours ago

In the pocket in 2014, Wilson had the same passer rating as Drew Brees (96.0), and higher rating than Ryan, Luck, Eli Manning & Joe Flacco.

He'd better be at or near the top in PR from the pocket. If you lead the NFL in rushing by that amount, you're facing radically depleted secondaries every time you drop back. You'll get chased out of the pocket more often, since teams are selling out at the LOS to stop the run, but that won't affect your rating for when you manage to stay in one.

Bit of a non-stat. More likely, an honest effort by a guy who couldn't think through the reasoning, and thought there was something where there was nothing. That kind of effort describes 99% of sports writing, and just shy of 100% of forum posting. :(

Thank you. You've finally given me enough reason to put you on ignore.

 

[ImTheScientist]

He'd better be at or near the top in PR from the pocket. If you lead the NFL in rushing by that amount, you're facing radically depleted secondaries every time you drop back. You'll get chased out of the pocket more often, since teams are selling out at the LOS to stop the run, but that won't affect your rating for when you manage to stay in one.

Bit of a non-stat. More likely, an honest effort by a guy who couldn't think through the reasoning, and thought there was something where there was nothing. That kind of effort describes 99% of sports writing, and just shy of 100% of forum posting. :(

Thank you. You've finally given me enough reason to put you on ignore.

Im sure that guy is bummed out.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Doug Farrar ‏@SI_DougFarrar 12h12 hours ago

Working on a very detailed stats/tape piece on Russell Wilson that will go up tomorrow. But here's one stat for now...

Doug Farrar ‏@SI_DougFarrar 12h12 hours ago

In the pocket in 2014, Wilson had the same passer rating as Drew Brees (96.0), and higher rating than Ryan, Luck, Eli Manning & Joe Flacco.

He'd better be at or near the top in PR from the pocket. If you lead the NFL in rushing by that amount, you're facing radically depleted secondaries every time you drop back. You'll get chased out of the pocket more often, since teams are selling out at the LOS to stop the run, but that won't affect your rating for when you manage to stay in one.

Bit of a non-stat. More likely, an honest effort by a guy who couldn't think through the reasoning, and thought there was something where there was nothing. That kind of effort describes 99% of sports writing, and just shy of 100% of forum posting. :(

The Seahawks led the league in rushing because of the 850 yards that Russell Wilson ran. I hope you realize this because your argument does not make much sense.Teams wanted to keep Wilson in the pocket, not chase him out and have him scramble.

 

[Sabertooth]

Wow, I didn't realize Russell was such a religious nut. He's coming off like a Duggar. Weirder than I thought.

 

[Faust]

MythBusters: Should Russell Wilson have the leverage of a franchise QB?

 

[Sabertooth]

Yep

 

[PDX_Seahawk]

Doug Farrar ‏@SI_DougFarrar 12h12 hours ago

Working on a very detailed stats/tape piece on Russell Wilson that will go up tomorrow. But here's one stat for now...

Doug Farrar ‏@SI_DougFarrar 12h12 hours ago

In the pocket in 2014, Wilson had the same passer rating as Drew Brees (96.0), and higher rating than Ryan, Luck, Eli Manning & Joe Flacco.

He'd better be at or near the top in PR from the pocket. If you lead the NFL in rushing by that amount, you're facing radically depleted secondaries every time you drop back. You'll get chased out of the pocket more often, since teams are selling out at the LOS to stop the run, but that won't affect your rating for when you manage to stay in one.

Bit of a non-stat. More likely, an honest effort by a guy who couldn't think through the reasoning, and thought there was something where there was nothing. That kind of effort describes 99% of sports writing, and just shy of 100% of forum posting. :(

The Seahawks led the league in rushing because of the 850 yards that Russell Wilson ran. I hope you realize this because your argument does not make much sense.Teams wanted to keep Wilson in the pocket, not chase him out and have him scramble.

I'm not sure I agree with that. If teams wanted to keep him in the pocket then why does the pocket almost always collapse around him? He runs out of necessity way more than he runs out of a designed play.

 

[The Commish]

Doug Farrar ‏@SI_DougFarrar 12h12 hours ago

Working on a very detailed stats/tape piece on Russell Wilson that will go up tomorrow. But here's one stat for now...

Doug Farrar ‏@SI_DougFarrar 12h12 hours ago

In the pocket in 2014, Wilson had the same passer rating as Drew Brees (96.0), and higher rating than Ryan, Luck, Eli Manning & Joe Flacco.

He'd better be at or near the top in PR from the pocket. If you lead the NFL in rushing by that amount, you're facing radically depleted secondaries every time you drop back. You'll get chased out of the pocket more often, since teams are selling out at the LOS to stop the run, but that won't affect your rating for when you manage to stay in one.

Bit of a non-stat. More likely, an honest effort by a guy who couldn't think through the reasoning, and thought there was something where there was nothing. That kind of effort describes 99% of sports writing, and just shy of 100% of forum posting. :(

The Seahawks led the league in rushing because of the 850 yards that Russell Wilson ran. I hope you realize this because your argument does not make much sense.Teams wanted to keep Wilson in the pocket, not chase him out and have him scramble.

What about #24's 1300+ rushing yards?? This is a very puzzling statement all around actually.

 

[CapnJB]

Doug Farrar ‏@SI_DougFarrar 12h12 hours ago

Working on a very detailed stats/tape piece on Russell Wilson that will go up tomorrow. But here's one stat for now...

Doug Farrar ‏@SI_DougFarrar 12h12 hours ago

In the pocket in 2014, Wilson had the same passer rating as Drew Brees (96.0), and higher rating than Ryan, Luck, Eli Manning & Joe Flacco.

He'd better be at or near the top in PR from the pocket. If you lead the NFL in rushing by that amount, you're facing radically depleted secondaries every time you drop back. You'll get chased out of the pocket more often, since teams are selling out at the LOS to stop the run, but that won't affect your rating for when you manage to stay in one.

Bit of a non-stat. More likely, an honest effort by a guy who couldn't think through the reasoning, and thought there was something where there was nothing. That kind of effort describes 99% of sports writing, and just shy of 100% of forum posting. :(

The Seahawks led the league in rushing because of the 850 yards that Russell Wilson ran. I hope you realize this because your argument does not make much sense.Teams wanted to keep Wilson in the pocket, not chase him out and have him scramble.

What about #24's 1300+ rushing yards?? This is a very puzzling statement all around actually.

Without Wilson's rushing yards the Seahawks would barely break the top 10 in rushing yards. With his yards they were the #1 rushing offense. Lynch was #4 in rushing yards in the NFL, Wilson was (believe it or not) #16. No other teams had two players with 800+ rushing yards.

 

[The Commish]

Doug Farrar ‏@SI_DougFarrar 12h12 hours ago

Working on a very detailed stats/tape piece on Russell Wilson that will go up tomorrow. But here's one stat for now...

Doug Farrar ‏@SI_DougFarrar 12h12 hours ago

In the pocket in 2014, Wilson had the same passer rating as Drew Brees (96.0), and higher rating than Ryan, Luck, Eli Manning & Joe Flacco.

He'd better be at or near the top in PR from the pocket. If you lead the NFL in rushing by that amount, you're facing radically depleted secondaries every time you drop back. You'll get chased out of the pocket more often, since teams are selling out at the LOS to stop the run, but that won't affect your rating for when you manage to stay in one.

Bit of a non-stat. More likely, an honest effort by a guy who couldn't think through the reasoning, and thought there was something where there was nothing. That kind of effort describes 99% of sports writing, and just shy of 100% of forum posting. :(

The Seahawks led the league in rushing because of the 850 yards that Russell Wilson ran. I hope you realize this because your argument does not make much sense.Teams wanted to keep Wilson in the pocket, not chase him out and have him scramble.

What about #24's 1300+ rushing yards?? This is a very puzzling statement all around actually.

Without Wilson's rushing yards the Seahawks would barely break the top 10 in rushing yards. With his yards they were the #1 rushing offense. Lynch was #4 in rushing yards in the NFL, Wilson was (believe it or not) #16. No other teams had two players with 800+ rushing yards.

Ok...now replace Wilson's name with Lynch's and replace "barely break the top 10" with "wouldn't have sniffed the top 10". This just feels like one of those "take away that guy's 90 yard run and he only had......" sort of arguments. Nonsensical, especially given the scope of this conversation. You take either one's productivity away and the Seahawks don't lead the league.

NOTE: This has nothing to do with the players in the argument ...it has everything to do with the actual argument and it's premise

 

[fridayfrenzy]

If you read above the poster's argument to totally negate Wilsons pocket passer rating was about teams chasing Russell Wilson from the pocket because of the Seahawks being the number one rushing offense. That is wrong. Russell Wilson had 850 yards which is what made them #1 and most of those yards weren't fabricated from designed running plays. They were from Russell Wilson scrambling. Defenses tried to keep Wilson contained in the pocket, not chase him from it.

No one is saying take away this or that players rushing yards but to not simply look at #1 rushing offense and assume those are designed rushing plays to make an argument that is false.

 

[The Commish]

If you read above the poster's argument to totally negate Wilsons pocket passer rating was about teams chasing Russell Wilson from the pocket because of the Seahawks being the number one rushing offense. That is wrong. Russell Wilson had 850 yards which is what made them #1 and most of those yards weren't fabricated from designed running plays. They were from Russell Wilson scrambling. Defenses tried to keep Wilson contained in the pocket, not chase him from it.

No one is saying take away this or that players rushing yards but to not simply look at #1 rushing offense and assume those are designed rushing plays to make an argument that is false.

You guys need to reread what started this whole thing. I didn't come close to this interpretation of his comments He certainly didn't mention "designed rushing plays" for Wilson. You guys are making an argument against something that wasn't said or you're making an argument against something you've created. Hard to tell.

As a matter of fact, I read his comments and yours and it seems like you're saying the same things with respect to his rushing numbers He gets those because the play breaks down on a sellout against the run. He can't get to the open WR, so he takes off.

 

[burnall]

my big questoins is what do you guys think hes worth? your the seahawks GM, how much do you give him a year(avg)? he apparently wants to be the top piad QB, so this will cause you to lose several key players on Def.

Wilson is coming out of his rookie contract making him and average of 749,194, so ofcourse the man gets paid, but lets be serious he is not worth more then rogers. i say 18-20M year/avg and be happy your on a winning team and now your rich and go for 40% of the total guarnteed.

just a few players current pay

rogers-22M

big ben - 21.85M

cam 20.76M

Ryan 20.1M

Brees 20M

are the top five,

and some fun discoutns are(ignoring rookie contracts)

Rivers15.3M

Peyton 15M

Brady 9M

 

[The Commish]

my big questoins is what do you guys think hes worth? your the seahawks GM, how much do you give him a year(avg)? he apparently wants to be the top piad QB, so this will cause you to lose several key players on Def.

Wilson is coming out of his rookie contract making him and average of 749,194, so ofcourse the man gets paid, but lets be serious he is not worth more then rogers. i say 18-20M year/avg and be happy your on a winning team and now your rich and go for 40% of the total guarnteed.

just a few players current pay

rogers-22M

big ben - 21.85M

cam 20.76M

Ryan 20.1M

Brees 20M

are the top five,

and some fun discoutns are(ignoring rookie contracts)

Rivers15.3M

Peyton 15M

Brady 9M

I'm in the 20ish million club simply because that's what the market seems to be bearing.

 

[biju]

my big questoins is what do you guys think hes worth? your the seahawks GM, how much do you give him a year(avg)? he apparently wants to be the top piad QB, so this will cause you to lose several key players on Def.

Wilson is coming out of his rookie contract making him and average of 749,194, so ofcourse the man gets paid, but lets be serious he is not worth more then rogers. i say 18-20M year/avg and be happy your on a winning team and now your rich and go for 40% of the total guarnteed.

just a few players current pay

rogers-22M

big ben - 21.85M

cam 20.76M

Ryan 20.1M

Brees 20M

are the top five,

and some fun discoutns are(ignoring rookie contracts)

Rivers15.3M

Peyton 15M

Brady 9M

Who are they going to lose?

This is the mantra of folks who aren't aware of the Seattle salary cap situation and has been for at least 3 years. "Wait until you have to pay him!" is the cry of Sabertooth and his ilk, which is why you see him all over this thread saying they need to pay him. The Seahawks can give him ~$25M a year in extension money and still have enough to pay Bobby Wagner. Seattle's cap number if $116M for 2016, and are committed to $105M in 2017. These folks thinking this will spell the end of the defense are going to be very sad when they realize this isn't the case since there's a significant amount of money this year only in dead Harvin money.

They need to pay him; he needs to get paid. It isn't going to cause the harm everyone thinks it will because we don't pay the O-line and WRs much which offsets the defensive spending.

 

[Sabertooth]

Still though it will level the playing field, to think it won't is folly. You've been blessed with a qb making well below his pay grade. It has helped a lot. Almost won you two rings. But Russell contract is going to matter down the road. It just will. You are assuming nobody just up and holds out for more money. Having Russell, Sherman, Thomas, and chancellor all making top dollar is going to matter.

 

[biju]

Still though it will level the playing field, to think it won't is folly. You've been blessed with a qb making well below his pay grade. It has helped a lot. Almost won you two rings. But Russell contract is going to matter down the road. It just will. You are assuming nobody just up and holds out for more money. Having Russell, Sherman, Thomas, and chancellor all making top dollar is going to matter.

I don't think anyone is arguing that having to pay people more takes up more salary cap, and thus there is less money for other players. I just think they're using Wilson's scrambling ability and Marshawn's tackle-breaking ability to save money on the O-line which allows the team to spend elsewhere. Let's use the Packers--a team with a well managed cap--as an example of why Seattle can pay their stars...

(All numbers are using cap dollars, not contract dollars)

Packers O-line (top 5 contracts of Bulaga, Sitton, Linsley, Lang, and Baktiari): $17.6M

Seattle O-line (top 5: Okung, Bailey, Jeanpierre, Sweezy, Britt): $10.9M

Now let's take a peak at the non-O-line/non-QB top contracts...

Packers:

- Matthews: $12.7M

- Peppers: $12.0M

- Shields: $9.1M

- Cobb: $5.3M

- Burnett: $5.1M

Total: $44.2M

Seattle:

- Sherman: $12.2M

- Lynch: $8.5M

- Graham: $8.0M

- Bennett: $8.0

- Avril: $8.0M

Total: $44.7M

So now we're through the O-line and the top contracts (minus QB) for each team and Seattle has a $6.2M ($61.8M to $55.6M) advantage. Earl Thomas is $7.4M against the cap this year so the LOB everything thinks we'll lose is coming "for free" with the lack of O-line and top contracts.

Let's also note that for 2015 here is the dead money for each team:

Packers: $3.2M

Seattle: $10.9M (with $10.4M of it coming from Harvin, Unger, and Miller)

Now having said all of this, the Seahawks work without an O-line or WRs mostly because of two people: Wilson and Lynch. If either were to get injured I suspect it would cause huge issues with the offensive output, although this is somewhat offset by having Graham's presence on the field. And of course the FO needs to really worry about what life will be like after Lynch is gone since he likely has only one more year with the team (although I thought he'd be gone this year).

 

[Sabertooth]

The Packers committing 21M to Shields and Peppers isn't a great use of their cap. Yikes.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Especially since Peppers was supposedly the guy who told that Packers DB to go down after that INT with about five minutes left, instead of shutting up and letting the guy return it deep into Seattle territory or even for a TD. That was as big a blunder as that backup TE botching the onside kick.

 

[Sabertooth]

Especially since Peppers was supposedly the guy who told that Packers DB to go down after that INT with about five minutes left, instead of shutting up and letting the guy return it deep into Seattle territory or even for a TD. That was as big a blunder as that backup TE botching the onside kick.

You can see Peppers do it in this clip.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000461219/article/all-22-film-offers-eyeopening-view-of-burnett-pick

 

[cstu]

Who are they going to lose?

This is the mantra of folks who aren't aware of the Seattle salary cap situation and has been for at least 3 years. "Wait until you have to pay him!" is the cry of Sabertooth and his ilk, which is why you see him all over this thread saying they need to pay him.

It's not a matter of who they are going to lose in the short term but in the long term it does hurt them. A high QB salary can be overcome but requires great drafting and efficient use of free agent money (i.e. Patriots). It's a fact that the big money top QB's are getting takes away from money that could be used to keep players or sign free agents.

On the other hand, a great QB is a trump card in this league and allows the team to win despite holes on the roster.

 

[JamesTheScot]

If you read above the poster's argument to totally negate Wilsons pocket passer rating was about teams chasing Russell Wilson from the pocket because of the Seahawks being the number one rushing offense. That is wrong. Russell Wilson had 850 yards which is what made them #1 and most of those yards weren't fabricated from designed running plays. They were from Russell Wilson scrambling. Defenses tried to keep Wilson contained in the pocket, not chase him from it.

No one is saying take away this or that players rushing yards but to not simply look at #1 rushing offense and assume those are designed rushing plays to make an argument that is false.

You guys need to reread what started this whole thing. I didn't come close to this interpretation of his comments He certainly didn't mention "designed rushing plays" for Wilson. You guys are making an argument against something that wasn't said or you're making an argument against something you've created. Hard to tell.

As a matter of fact, I read his comments and yours and it seems like you're saying the same things with respect to his rushing numbers He gets those because the play breaks down on a sellout against the run. He can't get to the open WR, so he takes off.

His argument, though stated in generalities, is that Seattle's opponents are selling out to stop Lynch on 3rd and 7 and Wilson only completes passes or successfully scrambles because of that.

It's nonsense. It's the idea that the DC's are telling their players to ignore down and distance or game situation football to stop Lynch at all costs. It's like some really think that OC's and DC's tailor their game plans according to which guy the Monday Night Football folks decide to show glamour shots of leading up to the game.

There's plenty of film to study. The Seahawks have been to the big dance twice now. Russell Wilson isn't surprising anybody anymore. If you don't think that defenders are looking for him in passing situations, you're...well...there's no need to actually say it.

I mean, hell, why not put down Jimmy Graham for 2500 yards from scrimmage this season? It doesn't matter that Seattle doesn't throw as much as New Orleans. The defenses will be letting him run wide open down the seam on 3rd and long plays because their LB's and S's are going to be packing the box to stop Lynch.

 

[The Commish]

There must be some history between you guys I am not aware of. I don't get any of that from the post. Based on what I see you guys are putting words in his mouth and creating convenient strawmen to attack. I could be wrong

Just to be clear...this is the comment that started this whole thing:

He'd better be at or near the top in PR from the pocket. If you lead the NFL in rushing by that amount, you're facing radically depleted secondaries every time you drop back. You'll get chased out of the pocket more often, since teams are selling out at the LOS to stop the run, but that won't affect your rating for when you manage to stay in one

 

[Faust]

No. 5: Russell Wilson Is Bigger Than One Play