QB Russell Wilson, NYG (2 Viewers)

[Boston]

35 year-old average QB with a very bad contract and not brought in by the current regime...no need to over-think this one.

Let me know what you consider average, but here are some of WIlson's rankings from this season:

- 1st in 4th quarter comebacks
- T-1st in game winning drives
- 4th in TD percentage
- T-6 in passing + rushing TD combined
- T-6th in passing TD
- 7th in passer rating
- 7th in QB rushing yards
- 10th in completion percentage
- 10th in AY/A
- 12th in interception percentage

By comparison, here are the same rankings for Mahomes:
- T-36th in 4th quarter comebacks (with 0)
- T-23rd in game winning drives
- 12th in TD percentage
- 9th in passing + rushing TD combined
- T-6th in passing TD
- 15th in passer rating
- 6th in rushing yards
- 7th in completion percentage
- 19th in AY/A
- 22nd in interception percentage

Do I think Wilson is better than Mahomes? Of course not. But Wilson is getting benched when his individual numbers are better this year than Mahomes's numbers are in a lot of categories. Mahomes has more passing yardage because he's thrown 121 more passes than Wilson has. I get it, there's more to playing QB than just putting up numbers, but IMO, I think WIlson has performed better than average. And yes, there are likely other QB categories where Wilson ranks lower. Bottom line, on the surface, it appears Wilson and the Broncos would rank higher in counting stats in passing if they threw the ball more (they rank 28th in attempts). Is that on Wilson?

I think average is exactly what Wilson is…the addition of Payton (or removing Hackett) has taken him from below average to average this year and it is not going to improve going forward…if he was a 3rd round pick making peanuts he would be totally fine…but he is 35 year old average QB with a horrific contract which is why this is happening…as a Pats fan did you see anything other than average against the Pats last week?

 

[Boston]

This situation is why I was surprised Payton took the Denver job...it was pretty apparent that Wilson was an albatross for this team and it did not matter who the HC was...it was not going to end well with that foolish contract.

Because Payton wanted full control and has a huge ego

Big picture I agree but I think he was going to get that wherever he ended up.

 

[Anarchy99]

Did you see anything other than average against the Pats last week?

He looked a lot better than Mahomes did against the Raiders.

Fine, call Wilson average. He's averaging 29.8 passing attempts per game. If he got the 42 attempts per game that Brees got one year with Payton in New Orleans, Wilson's totals right now would be 4333/37 right now. That would rank him 1st and 1st in those categories.

Look, I'm not saying that Wilson is one of the best QBs in the league these days, but IMO if he played indoors with more weapons and more passing attempts, he could still be a winning QB (and put up Top 10 numbers). Where might that be? The Vikings, Raiders, and Falcons would fit that description and could all be considerations.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

This situation is why I was surprised Payton took the Denver job...it was pretty apparent that Wilson was an albatross for this team and it did not matter who the HC was...it was not going to end well with that foolish contract.

Because Payton wanted full control and has a huge ego

Big picture I agree but I think he was going to get that wherever he ended up.

Smart owners will never give a coach full control……imo…….but there are a lot of dumb owners out there

 

[Ghost Rider]

As a lifelong Denver fan, this angers me to no end. If KC won last week, then I would get it.The whole let's see what we have for next year since this year is lost kind of mantra would apply, but Denver is legit another bad KC game from possibly getting in the playoffs. So the idea is the team wants to protect itself from financial problems by this move? Okay, multi-billionaires. tell that to the 60k that are packing the stadium on Sunday. Since you are going to put a 2nd string team out there, are you going to make parking free? Are you going to charge 1/2 price for concessions or merch at the team store?

Russ is not the only reason this team has under-performed this year. Week one--Lutz misses an extra point and then a FG that ultimately costs the team the game in a one point loss. Then the team begins the fabulous 4-5 game stretch where the historically bad defense gives up record setting yards and points--including games where Denver's offense put up 33. 20 and 21 points respectfully. Then we have the debacle last week where Mims fumbles the return and gifts NE 7 points. Throw in the fact, Denver's o-line, which was rebuilt in the off-season, consistently misses assignments, takes stupid penalties and gives Russ zero time to thrown and yet somehow Denver has willed itself to a 6-3 record over the last 9 games and is still in the hunt. Don't get me wrong, there have been many times where Russ has screwed up his reads and missed wide-open guys and has fumbled the ball way too many times.

If Denver misses the playoffs, then it needs to be called a team failure, which is a direct reflection of the coaching staff. The best analogy I can come up with for Payton is a guy marrying a girl who has a child and then telling her he can't stand to be around children. He took this job knowing what kind of QB that Wilson was and instead of adapting the play-calling to Wilson's game, he tried to install Drew Brees game. Then you have the team deciding to cut KJ last week, who was a team captain and a major presence in the locker room. I get Locke has played well, but I can guarantee that didn't sit well with the players.

Sorry for the long rant, but I can't remember another time in my 50+ years of being a Bronco fan that I want this team to lose the next two games badly. They deserve it for how mismanaged they have handled things and now we as the fans, are the ones that have to sit through it over the next 3-5 years as this team rebuilds.

I hear ya on this. I have been a Broncos fan since the mid 80s, and this is by far the most emotionally detached I have ever been from them as a fan. I wasn't excited at all about the Payton (I think he's an overrated, arrogant ****), and the way this has played out makes me want to leave my fandom behind and find a new team.

 

[Tau837]

As a NC State alum, I have always been a big Wilson fan, so I have been sad to see things play out the way they have at the end in Seattle and in Denver.

But I will say, if the team truly came to him and said they were going to bench him unless he agreed to remove the injury guarantee, I think he should have done it. He's not going to see that money now that he is benched and thus won't get injured to kick in the guarantee, clearing the way for the team to cut him. So... not getting it either way, why not waive the guarantee and start the last two games? I find it surprising, unless there is something I have missed about the way this played out.

 

[Courtjester]

As a NC State alum, I have always been a big Wilson fan, so I have been sad to see things play out the way they have at the end in Seattle and in Denver.

But I will say, if the team truly came to him and said they were going to bench him unless he agreed to remove the injury guarantee, I think he should have done it. He's not going to see that money now that he is benched and thus won't get injured to kick in the guarantee, clearing the way for the team to cut him. So... not getting it either way, why not waive the guarantee and start the last two games? I find it surprising, unless there is something I have missed about the way this played out.

According to the reports, they asked him to remove the injury clause back in October. Then the team went on that winning streak, so it kind of became a back-burner issue. When Denver lost a couple games, management reiterated the request.

Every time you hear a player holding out, the general consensus is that player is not being a team player and being selfish. However, this situation gives you a completely different perspective. The powers that be negotiated a contract that both signed. Now they basically want to take away a huge security blanket the player has in case he gets hurt. They were fine during the wins and showed their true colors when things were a little rough. It doesn't matter how you feel about Russ, this is a terrible way to run a team.

 

[Mitchie]

As a NC State alum, I have always been a big Wilson fan, so I have been sad to see things play out the way they have at the end in Seattle and in Denver.

But I will say, if the team truly came to him and said they were going to bench him unless he agreed to remove the injury guarantee, I think he should have done it. He's not going to see that money now that he is benched and thus won't get injured to kick in the guarantee, clearing the way for the team to cut him. So... not getting it either way, why not waive the guarantee and start the last two games? I find it surprising, unless there is something I have missed about the way this played out.

Reminds me of the scene in Fast Times at Ridgemont High when Judge Reinhold's character's boss told him to wear the pirate hat on his delivery, so he puts it on and his driving in his car when he finally realizes what an idiot he looks like and throws it out the window. There were other considerations of course, but to me that's the biggest reason he didn't remove the injury guarantee. B/c eff them.

 

[massraider]

So... not getting it either way, why not waive the guarantee and start the last two games? I find it surprising, unless there is something I have missed about the way this played out.

He gets the same amount of money either way, he knows he's cut, what's the reason for risking injury the rest of the year?

 

[tangfoot]

But I think the days of Russell Wilson being an elite or even a very good QB are over.

Given that this is a fantasy football forum, you couldn't be more wronger.

He's currently #18 overall and QB9 in one of my leagues that has very balanced scoring.

 

[General Malaise]

But I think the days of Russell Wilson being an elite or even a very good QB are over.

Given that this is a fantasy football forum, you couldn't be more wronger.

He's currently #18 overall and QB9 in one of my leagues that has very balanced scoring.

He has been a good fantasy QB this year. That's true. He also wasn't going very high in drafts this year after last year's execrable performance, so owners had to be satisfied (until now).


But my point was less about fantasy and more about real football, which tends to be a bigger driver for owners and management than fantasy stats, which is just mean!

 

[Buckna]

But I think the days of Russell Wilson being an elite or even a very good QB are over.

Given that this is a fantasy football forum, you couldn't be more wronger.

He's currently #18 overall and QB9 in one of my leagues that has very balanced scoring.

QB14 in my league and #20 in PPG. Plus a whole lot of injured QB’s this year some would probably be ahead of him had they stayed healthy.

 

[Stoneworker]

As a lifelong Denver fan, this angers me to no end. If KC won last week, then I would get it.The whole let's see what we have for next year since this year is lost kind of mantra would apply, but Denver is legit another bad KC game from possibly getting in the playoffs. So the idea is the team wants to protect itself from financial problems by this move? Okay, multi-billionaires. tell that to the 60k that are packing the stadium on Sunday. Since you are going to put a 2nd string team out there, are you going to make parking free? Are you going to charge 1/2 price for concessions or merch at the team store?

Russ is not the only reason this team has under-performed this year. Week one--Lutz misses an extra point and then a FG that ultimately costs the team the game in a one point loss. Then the team begins the fabulous 4-5 game stretch where the historically bad defense gives up record setting yards and points--including games where Denver's offense put up 33. 20 and 21 points respectfully. Then we have the debacle last week where Mims fumbles the return and gifts NE 7 points. Throw in the fact, Denver's o-line, which was rebuilt in the off-season, consistently misses assignments, takes stupid penalties and gives Russ zero time to thrown and yet somehow Denver has willed itself to a 6-3 record over the last 9 games and is still in the hunt. Don't get me wrong, there have been many times where Russ has screwed up his reads and missed wide-open guys and has fumbled the ball way too many times.

If Denver misses the playoffs, then it needs to be called a team failure, which is a direct reflection of the coaching staff. The best analogy I can come up with for Payton is a guy marrying a girl who has a child and then telling her he can't stand to be around children. He took this job knowing what kind of QB that Wilson was and instead of adapting the play-calling to Wilson's game, he tried to install Drew Brees game. Then you have the team deciding to cut KJ last week, who was a team captain and a major presence in the locker room. I get Locke has played well, but I can guarantee that didn't sit well with the players.

Sorry for the long rant, but I can't remember another time in my 50+ years of being a Bronco fan that I want this team to lose the next two games badly. They deserve it for how mismanaged they have handled things and now we as the fans, are the ones that have to sit through it over the next 3-5 years as this team rebuilds.

Meh. This seems a bit melodramatic.

I was at the game Sunday and Russ was not good at all...up until the 2-min drill in the 4th qtr...where he was truly elite. But that is his whole season in a nutshell. He simply hasn't been able to run the base offense well enough in most games to sustain drives to prevent chaotic end-of-game comebacks where he excels.

Among other things, this inability has hamstrung Payton's play-calling b/c it completely takes away setting one play up early in the game to then run something else off the same formation later.

Up until halfway through the 3rd quarter of the Patriots game, Wilson had targeted WR's a grand total of two times (Sutton broken-play bomb and Mims bubble screen). For the season, the three RB's + TE Trautman have more recpts than WR's Sutton, Jeudy and Mims. That's horrible.

The situation sucks because Russ has such a good work ethic and is such a good person, but going with a Stidham audition makes total sense IMO to see if someone else can run the offense the way it was designed and with better production.

 

[Tau837]

So... not getting it either way, why not waive the guarantee and start the last two games? I find it surprising, unless there is something I have missed about the way this played out.

He gets the same amount of money either way, he knows he's cut, what's the reason for risking injury the rest of the year?

I have always thought of Wilson as a baller. I would have expected him to want to play for himself and his teammates, to want to go out and win 2 games to get to 9-8, and to stick his finger in the eye of Denver's management that has decided to cut him.

Also, he has missed 5 games to injury in 12 seasons in the NFL, and the likelihood that he would suffer an injury that would actually cost him future money (given he is going to be cut) is virtually nil.

IMO it was an easy call to waive the injury protection and play given all of the circumstances.

 

[Stoneworker]

Kurt Warner does a really nice job critically breaking down Russ's game in the below video.

If there's a single play that captures Wilson's deficiencies in a nutshell, it is at 6:10 of the video. Russ has all day in the pocket, but doesn't properly read the play developing, then completely misses a WIDE open Jeudy for a touchdown when he's staring right at him, and then ends up bailing too early on the play and running for a 3-yd gain.

That might be excusable for a rookie, but shouldn't happen with a 35 y/o vet getting paid $40mm.

He's not horrible by any means. But there's something missing where he's simply not executing the offense to its potential.

Kurt Warner breaks down Russell Wilson's game

 

[Todem]

put me in the minority camp that thinks Russ played pretty well this year, not great but better than a lot of QBs. seems to me and i can be wrong that Payton never wanted Russ to work. I mean yes they won some games but could've let him air it out a bit and take some chances I mean not a ton to lose really. Also Russ really didn't have a whole lot to work with. Sutton was best wr by far, and not much else, running game was meh.

But they didn't trade away the farm and pay him a kings' ransom to play 'pretty well'. I'd argue he's played pretty average and the numbers bear that out. He was brought in to win and win right away. He's been a failure in that regard. His locker room antics are juvenile and his teammates think he's a dork. Denver has 3 WRs on the roster selected in the 1st or 2nd round. A running back taken in the 2nd round. They surrounded him with talent and yet, he did nothing with it.

the round the players were drafted is about as relevant as what i had for dinner, Jeudy is not very good, Javonte has been average, maybe he'll be better next year further out from his injury but who knows, if not the worst group of offensive weapons can't see how they're not bottom 3. hard to know for sure what his teammates think, maybe you're right but these things can't also get overblown. Sutton showed support for him earlier this year for one.

So they blew the draft picks? Huh. That's what dysfunctional teams do I guess.

I don't know on that. Drafting is really hard. Even teams who do it mostly well like San Francisco still draft a Trey Lance. I make a distinction between dysfunctional and teams that don't draft well.

I know drafting is hard and so does Denver. They haven't drafted a good QB since Elway.

My original point was that Denver used 4 picks in the first two rounds on skill players so the observation that he didn't have much to work with is laughable.

Dysfunctional teams DO get desperate and make lousy trades which is precisely what happened to Denver. They haven't been able to find a QB through the draft so they traded the world for one they thought was a winner. Didn't work. And now they're really hooped with dead cap money, lost draft picks and a coach who makes way too much money to miss the playoffs.

Dysfunction thy name is Denver.

Please list the teams that have a worse group of offensive weapons. I'll bet you can't get to 3.

Giants
Cardinals
Steelers
Commanders
Panthers


Denver is weak too make no mistake. But anyone can see Wilson is washed from his all pro form.

 

[JohnnyU]

I blame Golden Tate.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

As a lifelong Denver fan, this angers me to no end. If KC won last week, then I would get it.The whole let's see what we have for next year since this year is lost kind of mantra would apply, but Denver is legit another bad KC game from possibly getting in the playoffs. So the idea is the team wants to protect itself from financial problems by this move? Okay, multi-billionaires. tell that to the 60k that are packing the stadium on Sunday. Since you are going to put a 2nd string team out there, are you going to make parking free? Are you going to charge 1/2 price for concessions or merch at the team store?

Russ is not the only reason this team has under-performed this year. Week one--Lutz misses an extra point and then a FG that ultimately costs the team the game in a one point loss. Then the team begins the fabulous 4-5 game stretch where the historically bad defense gives up record setting yards and points--including games where Denver's offense put up 33. 20 and 21 points respectfully. Then we have the debacle last week where Mims fumbles the return and gifts NE 7 points. Throw in the fact, Denver's o-line, which was rebuilt in the off-season, consistently misses assignments, takes stupid penalties and gives Russ zero time to thrown and yet somehow Denver has willed itself to a 6-3 record over the last 9 games and is still in the hunt. Don't get me wrong, there have been many times where Russ has screwed up his reads and missed wide-open guys and has fumbled the ball way too many times.

If Denver misses the playoffs, then it needs to be called a team failure, which is a direct reflection of the coaching staff. The best analogy I can come up with for Payton is a guy marrying a girl who has a child and then telling her he can't stand to be around children. He took this job knowing what kind of QB that Wilson was and instead of adapting the play-calling to Wilson's game, he tried to install Drew Brees game. Then you have the team deciding to cut KJ last week, who was a team captain and a major presence in the locker room. I get Locke has played well, but I can guarantee that didn't sit well with the players.

Sorry for the long rant, but I can't remember another time in my 50+ years of being a Bronco fan that I want this team to lose the next two games badly. They deserve it for how mismanaged they have handled things and now we as the fans, are the ones that have to sit through it over the next 3-5 years as this team rebuilds.

I don't think they're worried about the playoffs, because they know they're not competing for a title. They're thinking long term, and they'd rather sacrifice their slim one-and-done playoff hopes for preserving the loss of $30+ million in 2025 if a guy they know they're going to cut gets injured. This move is the least-painful way of moving on from Wilson and letting Payton build the team he wants. Hopefully, when they make the playoffs in a year or two, it will be with a Super Bowl win in their sights.

I have no idea if it will work, or if it's even a good idea. But if I wanted to move on from Wilson, this would be the best way to do it.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

This situation is why I was surprised Payton took the Denver job...it was pretty apparent that Wilson was an albatross for this team and it did not matter who the HC was...it was not going to end well with that foolish contract.

Because Payton wanted full control and has a huge ego

Big picture I agree but I think he was going to get that wherever he ended up.

Smart owners will never give a coach full control……imo…….but there are a lot of dumb owners out there

Jerry Jones never gives coaches full control. Is he a smart owner in your opinion?

 

[Alex P Keaton]

This situation is why I was surprised Payton took the Denver job...it was pretty apparent that Wilson was an albatross for this team and it did not matter who the HC was...it was not going to end well with that foolish contract.

Because Payton wanted full control and has a huge ego

Big picture I agree but I think he was going to get that wherever he ended up.

Smart owners will never give a coach full control……imo…….but there are a lot of dumb owners out there

Jerry Jones never gives coaches full control. Is he a smart owner in your opinion?

Well, as you know I didn’t say “all owners who won’t give full control to a coach are smart.”

That’s a different statement.

Sort of like saying “all squares are rectangles” doesn’t mean “all rectangles are squares.”

 

[IHEARTFF]

This situation is why I was surprised Payton took the Denver job...it was pretty apparent that Wilson was an albatross for this team and it did not matter who the HC was...it was not going to end well with that foolish contract.

Guessing he can think of about 18 million reasons per season why he took this job in particular

 

[General Malaise]

This situation is why I was surprised Payton took the Denver job...it was pretty apparent that Wilson was an albatross for this team and it did not matter who the HC was...it was not going to end well with that foolish contract.

Because Payton wanted full control and has a huge ego

Big picture I agree but I think he was going to get that wherever he ended up.

Smart owners will never give a coach full control……imo…….but there are a lot of dumb owners out there

Jerry Jones never gives coaches full control. Is he a smart owner in your opinion?

I think Jerry Jones is a brilliant businessman and perhaps one of the greatest salesman the world has ever seen. I also think he has been one of the best owners in the NFL for his early success and how he revolutionized revenue generation.

But he has been a lousy GM and should have had enough self-awareness to realize that decades ago. Coaches need a good GM. Seattle, San Francisco, LA Rams, Baltimore Ravens.....they all have beautiful head coach/general manager synergy. Jerry should have come to that conclusion and he didn't.

Sean Payton and Bill Belichick are great head coaches. They are not great general managers. Mickey Loomis is responsible for much of Sean Payton's success.

 

[The Dude]

Giants
Cardinals
Steelers
Commanders
Panthers

Should stay out of afc,, find a good fit to win in nfc. Atlanta, Rams, giants

 

[Deamon]

Giants
Cardinals
Steelers
Commanders
Panthers

Should stay out of afc,, find a good fit to win in nfc. Atlanta, Rams, giants

The Seahawks should sign him, that would be so awesome.

 

[Soulfly3]

ppl went from laughing at Russ, to supporting Russ.

I'm kinda one of them.

owners treating him like they did/do with small businesses - lower your prices or you're out of our store. Dunno how they thought that's work in the NFL

 

[Hooper31]

I listened to most of the Lammey/Mason podcast from today. They both sounded like they were embarrassed for Payton.

"Russel Wilson drops Truth Bombs"

LINK

 

[Mitchie]

RUSSELL WILSON NEXT TEAM ODDS*

Minnesota Vikings (5/1)

New England Patriots (6/1)

Washington Commanders (7/1)

Las Vegas Raiders (7/1)

Chicago Bears (8/1)

Atlanta Falcons (8/1)

New York Giants (8/1)

Pittsburgh Steelers (8/1)

Tampa Bay Buccaneers (10/1)

Arizona Cardinals (10/1)

New Orleans Saints (11/1)

Seattle Seahawks (33/1)

Miami Dolphins (50/1)

 

[fred_1_15301]

I wouldn’t mind the Steelers signing him as a stopgap if he’s cheap enough. He’s better than the slop that we are carrying right now.

 

[massraider]

I have always thought of Wilson as a baller. I would have expected him to want to play for himself and his teammates, to want to go out and win 2 games to get to 9-8, and to stick his finger in the eye of Denver's management that has decided to cut him.

Also, he has missed 5 games to injury in 12 seasons in the NFL, and the likelihood that he would suffer an injury that would actually cost him future money (given he is going to be cut) is virtually nil.

IMO it was an easy call to waive the injury protection and play given all of the circumstances

Agreeing to everything the Broncos wanted, and then winning games would be sticking a finger in the eye of management?

He was abiding by his contract, they didn't want to, asked him mid-season to change it, in case they didn't want to honor it, but he's not a baller now.

Gotta be kidding

 

[Buckna]

I am assuming that since the Broncos are on the hook for his 2024 salary, he can sign basically anywhere he wants on a massively team friendly deal? I seem to recall that it used to work where any new team pay would just offset what the broncos owe him for 2024 game checks? Or is that only if cut during the season? Would the Broncos have to pay him the guaranteed and anything he gets from a new team is on top of what he’ll already make?

Could have interesting implications on where he lands. A new team could potentially pay him very little as like a one year option if he wants to go to a potential contender and there’s mutual interest.

 

[massraider]

I am assuming that since the Broncos are on the hook for his 2024 salary, he can sign basically anywhere he wants on a massively team friendly deal? I seem to recall that it used to work where any new team pay would just offset what the broncos owe him for 2024 game checks? Or is that only if cut during the season? Would the Broncos have to pay him the guaranteed and anything he gets from a new team is on top of what he’ll already make?

Could have interesting implications on where he lands. A new team could potentially pay him very little as like a one year option if he wants to go to a potential contender and there’s mutual interest.

He could play for the minimum next year, and get 39 million total. 37.8 mill from Denver.

https://twitter.com/spotrac/status/1740155315361059003?t=z3zVfTeV20mndW5BgGMhaA&s=19

 

[Smack Tripper]

RUSSELL WILSON NEXT TEAM ODDS*

Minnesota Vikings (5/1)

New England Patriots (6/1)

Washington Commanders (7/1)

Las Vegas Raiders (7/1)

Chicago Bears (8/1)

Atlanta Falcons (8/1)

New York Giants (8/1)

Pittsburgh Steelers (8/1)

Tampa Bay Buccaneers (10/1)

Arizona Cardinals (10/1)

New Orleans Saints (11/1)

Seattle Seahawks (33/1)

Miami Dolphins (50/1)

Raiders or Falcons make sense to me here

 

[Todem]

Denver can choke on that contract.

Wilson made the most of what he had.

 

[JohnnyU]

RUSSELL WILSON NEXT TEAM ODDS*

Minnesota Vikings (5/1)

New England Patriots (6/1)

Washington Commanders (7/1)

Las Vegas Raiders (7/1)

Chicago Bears (8/1)

Atlanta Falcons (8/1)

New York Giants (8/1)

Pittsburgh Steelers (8/1)

Tampa Bay Buccaneers (10/1)

Arizona Cardinals (10/1)

New Orleans Saints (11/1)

Seattle Seahawks (33/1)

Miami Dolphins (50/1)

Raiders or Falcons make sense to me here

I’m not sure he’s better than O’Connell, so why would they want Wilson? I’ll hang up and listen.

 

[massraider]

Denver can choke on that contract.

Wilson made the most of what he had.

Not counting next year offsets, I think i read they will have paid 121 mill

 

[Smack Tripper]

RUSSELL WILSON NEXT TEAM ODDS*

Minnesota Vikings (5/1)

New England Patriots (6/1)

Washington Commanders (7/1)

Las Vegas Raiders (7/1)

Chicago Bears (8/1)

Atlanta Falcons (8/1)

New York Giants (8/1)

Pittsburgh Steelers (8/1)

Tampa Bay Buccaneers (10/1)

Arizona Cardinals (10/1)

New Orleans Saints (11/1)

Seattle Seahawks (33/1)

Miami Dolphins (50/1)

Raiders or Falcons make sense to me here

I’m not sure he’s better than O’Connell, so why would they want Wilson? I’ll hang up and listen.

I feel quite sure he's better than O'Connell, who's squarely in JAG status to me. Not sure what Russ has left but O'connell is meh to me

Russ gets grief but he was 1-5 in a new system and got this team off the deck and he had some spotty receiver contributions from Jeudy the Headcase and Mims fumbling so much. I think Russ is still a playoff calibre QB in the NFL

 

[Ghost Rider]

RUSSELL WILSON NEXT TEAM ODDS*

Minnesota Vikings (5/1)

New England Patriots (6/1)

Washington Commanders (7/1)

Las Vegas Raiders (7/1)

Chicago Bears (8/1)

Atlanta Falcons (8/1)

New York Giants (8/1)

Pittsburgh Steelers (8/1)

Tampa Bay Buccaneers (10/1)

Arizona Cardinals (10/1)

New Orleans Saints (11/1)

Seattle Seahawks (33/1)

Miami Dolphins (50/1)

Raiders or Falcons make sense to me here

I’m not sure he’s better than O’Connell, so why would they want Wilson? I’ll hang up and listen.

I feel quite sure he's better than O'Connell, who's squarely in JAG status to me. Not sure what Russ has left but O'connell is meh to me

Russ gets grief but he was 1-5 in a new system and got this team off the deck and he had some spotty receiver contributions from Jeudy the Headcase and Mims fumbling so much. I think Russ is still a playoff calibre QB in the NFL

Agreed. Even if he is not as great as he was years ago, he is still good, and the fact that he did fairly well this year with a coach who never wanted him and was seemingly incapable of adjusting his offense in any real way to make great use out of Wilson's skillset is a testament to him, really.

 

[Stoneworker]

Russ gets grief but he was 1-5 in a new system and got this team off the deck and he had some spotty receiver contributions from Jeudy the Headcase and Mims fumbling so much. I think Russ is still a playoff calibre QB in the NFL

Agreed. Even if he is not as great as he was years ago, he is still good, and the fact that he did fairly well this year with a coach who never wanted him and was seemingly incapable of adjusting his offense in any real way to make great use out of Wilson's skillset is a testament to him, really.

Not really. Go look at that Kurt Warner analysis posted above and tell us how great Russ is. He missed three wide open touchdowns in the Texans game alone. Can't read defenses very well at all.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Russ gets grief but he was 1-5 in a new system and got this team off the deck and he had some spotty receiver contributions from Jeudy the Headcase and Mims fumbling so much. I think Russ is still a playoff calibre QB in the NFL

Agreed. Even if he is not as great as he was years ago, he is still good, and the fact that he did fairly well this year with a coach who never wanted him and was seemingly incapable of adjusting his offense in any real way to make great use out of Wilson's skillset is a testament to him, really.

Not really. Go look at that Kurt Warner analysis posted above and tell us how great Russ is. He missed three wide open touchdowns in the Texans game alone. Can't read defenses very well at all.

I didn't say he was great this year; I said he is still good and did fairly well (despite not ideal circumstances). He is certainly not a perfect QB.

 

[JohnnyU]

RUSSELL WILSON NEXT TEAM ODDS*

Minnesota Vikings (5/1)

New England Patriots (6/1)

Washington Commanders (7/1)

Las Vegas Raiders (7/1)

Chicago Bears (8/1)

Atlanta Falcons (8/1)

New York Giants (8/1)

Pittsburgh Steelers (8/1)

Tampa Bay Buccaneers (10/1)

Arizona Cardinals (10/1)

New Orleans Saints (11/1)

Seattle Seahawks (33/1)

Miami Dolphins (50/1)

Raiders or Falcons make sense to me here

I’m not sure he’s better than O’Connell, so why would they want Wilson? I’ll hang up and listen.

I feel quite sure he's better than O'Connell, who's squarely in JAG status to me. Not sure what Russ has left but O'connell is meh to me

Russ gets grief but he was 1-5 in a new system and got this team off the deck and he had some spotty receiver contributions from Jeudy the Headcase and Mims fumbling so much. I think Russ is still a playoff calibre QB in the NFL

The Raiders should steer clear of Wilson.

 

[menobrown]

RUSSELL WILSON NEXT TEAM ODDS*

Minnesota Vikings (5/1)

New England Patriots (6/1)

Washington Commanders (7/1)

Las Vegas Raiders (7/1)

Chicago Bears (8/1)

Atlanta Falcons (8/1)

New York Giants (8/1)

Pittsburgh Steelers (8/1)

Tampa Bay Buccaneers (10/1)

Arizona Cardinals (10/1)

New Orleans Saints (11/1)

Seattle Seahawks (33/1)

Miami Dolphins (50/1)

Raiders or Falcons make sense to me here

They'd head my list.

Got to think in terms of a team without a QB next year that is to far away in the draft order to get a top one.

Two significant questions will be how do teams in that range feel about possible options in round one like McCarthy, Penix and Nix and in part due to that will Russ wait until after the draft to sign?

 

[TwinTurbo]

Long time Russ hater and wish i could pile on but he actually has been fairly decent since the team bottomed out at 0-4 IIRC?
They got ripped good and that was after Coach Sean was running his mouth how bad the last coaching staff was
7-4 since then?

If Coach SP is benching Wilson with 2 weeks left in the season, there are NO PLANS to bring him back so we might as well be real about his options and the immense cost to Denver
I have glossed over this on numerous occasions but he currently sits as an $85M cap hit next season and counts $39M ATC in '24
I don't care how you want to slice it, whoever is buying Russ off their hands is going to have to somehow get creative and ask Wilson to restructure so they can make it easier for Denver to trade Wilson...which also brings up the question of who is the market for Wilson?

The Carolina Panthers are desperate and maybe sitting Bryce Young down for most of '24 is a needed step where he can learn behind a Veteran...Tepper does not have any patience though so I don't think this scenario will actually work out. Is Russ a back up for all 32 NFL teams moving forward? If the answer is yes then Denver is STUCK with him

The Broncos have been a bit of a mirage this year. That 5 game win streak featured 4 home games. They beat some good playoff teams on that run but also got curb stomped in some of their other games. Like you I am not a Russ fan. But even less a Payton fan. He is going to be the Jeff Fisher of the Broncos unless he stumbles into another hall of fame QB that can run his offense.

As for Russ where does he go next? The best place for him would be back to Seattle if he restructures. He could beat out Geno Smith and Lock.

 

[Courtjester]

I think Atlanta gives him a hard look. Russ did well in Seattle when he had a good running game behind him and Atlanta fits that bill. They would need to get Drake London a running mate to help, but that Division is ripe for the taking for Atlanta if they had a serviceable QB.

 

[IHEARTFF]

I think Atlanta gives him a hard look. Russ did well in Seattle when he had a good running game behind him and Atlanta fits that bill. They would need to get Drake London a running mate to help, but that Division is ripe for the taking for Atlanta if they had a serviceable QB.

Fire Arthur. Russ could do well with the weapons they have.

 

[General Malaise]

Long time Russ hater and wish i could pile on but he actually has been fairly decent since the team bottomed out at 0-4 IIRC?
They got ripped good and that was after Coach Sean was running his mouth how bad the last coaching staff was
7-4 since then?

If Coach SP is benching Wilson with 2 weeks left in the season, there are NO PLANS to bring him back so we might as well be real about his options and the immense cost to Denver
I have glossed over this on numerous occasions but he currently sits as an $85M cap hit next season and counts $39M ATC in '24
I don't care how you want to slice it, whoever is buying Russ off their hands is going to have to somehow get creative and ask Wilson to restructure so they can make it easier for Denver to trade Wilson...which also brings up the question of who is the market for Wilson?

The Carolina Panthers are desperate and maybe sitting Bryce Young down for most of '24 is a needed step where he can learn behind a Veteran...Tepper does not have any patience though so I don't think this scenario will actually work out. Is Russ a back up for all 32 NFL teams moving forward? If the answer is yes then Denver is STUCK with him

The Broncos have been a bit of a mirage this year. That 5 game win streak featured 4 home games. They beat some good playoff teams on that run but also got curb stomped in some of their other games. Like you I am not a Russ fan. But even less a Payton fan. He is going to be the Jeff Fisher of the Broncos unless he stumbles into another hall of fame QB that can run his offense.

As for Russ where does he go next? The best place for him would be back to Seattle if he restructures. He could beat out Geno Smith and Lock.

As long as Pete Carroll is coaching he won't be back in Seattle and Seattle is not moving on from Carroll.

 

[Hooper31]

Can't read defenses very well at all.

He didn't on that day, but to make this blanket statement is the sort of hyperbole that I don't get. Of course he can. He has. Led the NFL in TD passes one year. Had a different year where he passed for 40 TDs.

Will he have better days? Maybe.

 

[Hooper31]

As long as Pete Carroll is coaching he won't be back in Seattle and Seattle is not moving on from Carroll.

As a Seattle fan, I have to agree with GM here. Seattle has moved on from Wilson. I don't see him coming back to Seattle. Even if it was for a minimal contract.

 

[Stoneworker]

Can't read defenses very well at all.

He didn't on that day, but to make this blanket statement is the sort of hyperbole that I don't get. Of course he can. He has. Led the NFL in TD passes one year. Had a different year where he passed for 40 TDs.

Will he have better days? Maybe.

Not hyperbole. He is poor at pre-snap reads, doesn't process information quickly in the pocket, and bails too soon to checkdowns and runs without going through progressions.

Otherwise he would still be starting.

 

[Hooper31]

Can't read defenses very well at all.

He didn't on that day, but to make this blanket statement is the sort of hyperbole that I don't get. Of course he can. He has. Led the NFL in TD passes one year. Had a different year where he passed for 40 TDs.

Will he have better days? Maybe.

Not hyperbole. He is poor at pre-snap reads, doesn't process information quickly in the pocket, and bails too soon to checkdowns and runs without going through progressions.

Otherwise he would still be starting.

The checkdown thing is new. That's because he's being told do it, not because that's what he would choose. His nature in the past (or coaching) was slanted towards looking downfield, perhaps to his detriment.

Is he good at it? I won't make that argument, but to say he can't read defenses very well is weak. How many starting quarterbacks can read defenses well? How many people are on that list? And to make the argument that it's a yes or no list is silly. It's a sliding scale. Some are much better than others. Was he good at when he led the league in TD passes? Or are you going to make the argument that it wasn't necessary?

Blanket statements about quarterbacks are a trigger for me. People attributing wins and losses to them. That's just dumb. It's a team game. The coaching and scheme makes a HUGE difference. Sometimes teams win because of the quarterback. Other days they win in spite of them. When Rapey McRaperson goes into the hall of fame we'll hear about how HE won two superbowls, but nobody will mention his stat line in the win over Seattle during Super Bowl 40. He was an embarrassment that day. Further, Wilson played with one of the greatest defenses in NFL history. They went four consecutive years giving up the fewest points in the league. That's just unreal, but Wilson will forever be known as a Super Bowl winning quarterback. There were lots of other quarterbacks that could have won with that squad. This is the sort of thing that makes me use the word hyperbole. People aren't realistic when discussing quarterbacks. They get too much credit. They get too much blame. To say that a guy that's played at a pro bowl level for the majority of a potentially HOF career can't read defenses very well, yeah, that's hyperbole.

 

[Hooper31]

I'm sorry you got triggered

Apology accepted.