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QB Trey Lance, LAC (6 Viewers)

Lance looked uncomfortable a lot of times, lots of double clutching, and then ropes to compensate for the lack of decisiveness, along w/ some inconsistent footwork and mechanics as a result of not committing to throws. There were a couple of plays where he stared down his primary receiver too much and could've been more creative in escaping the pocket.

That's about all the criticism I've got... Once he's comfortable in the system and starts trusting his eyes, there will be countless segments by the talking heads dedicated to how to try and stop him in the shanahan scheme.

 
Just took Lance at #5 in my dynasty league (it's start 1QB, but we have to play a rookie starter, so the rookie draft usually is similar to a superflex order).  I had to give up Matt Stafford on a one-year contract to move up from #6, but I'm happy with it, especially since he was the last of the top four QBs left.

He's been very impressive to me on film even if he's not always balanced on his throws.  Now I'm just hoping the team starts poorly (helps that I'm a Dolphins fan and we have the Niners pick) and turns over the reigns to Lance.

 
If by platoon you mean he'll run in like Taysom Hill to run gadget plays because he can't muster a 50% completion rate against pre-season scrubs, then sure.

 
^^^ this is pretty much how it's going to be with this kid. Wildcat type stuff. reports of Jimmy G's demise greatly exaggerated.

I'm officially worried that everyone's sleeper du jour B Aiyuk isn't going to catch the number of balls we're all expecting. and I think this also caps Sermon and Mostert rush stats with the gadget boy under center. 

 
Grading 49ers QBs Jimmy Garoppolo and Trey Lance vs. the Raiders

JIMMY GAROPPOLO: C

Definitely looked better and more confident than he did last week against the Chargers, when he was skittish and innaccurate on almost every play. Against the Raiders, Garoppolo at least seemed willing to get hit -- he took two big hits when he ran for a touchdown, which was a nice play. And as a passer, he was OK. Posted a 87.8 passer rating against a bad defense that sat most of its starters. Garoppolo was far from lights out, but it seems clear he will start Week 1. Still, l don't expect him to play well against an NFL defense playing all its starters in a regular season game. Call me cynical. The 49ers should continue to use a two-quarterback system until Lance is ready to take over full time, because Garoppolo will only break your heart.

TREY LANCE: C-Minus

Split time with Garoppolo on the first-string offense, and Lance's mere presence on the field immediately improved the run game even though he mostly handed off. He eventually scored a rushing touchdown and began scrambling when necessary, which is a good sign of improvement. But he still fired short passes too hard and missed easy throws he should have hit. He finished the game 6 for 13, and technically his receivers dropped 3 of his passes, so he should have been 9 for 13, which would have been good. But Lance's passes are extremely difficult to catch. His receivers will continue to drop lots of throws until he takes some velocity off them.
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As someone who has both these guys in SuperFlex, I am not at all a fan of the platoon approach.

 
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jtd13 said:
As someone who has both these guys in SuperFlex, I am not at all a fan of the platoon approach.
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I don't know that most people thought that he'd win the job outright in training camp.  I know I didn't.  I think this a good step to getting a permanent role.  If Hill was a decent QB he'd have the job outright this year but he can't throw the ball...I don't think Lance has that issue.  I'd rather him get on the field with the opportunity to make plays vs. waiting for an injury or a team losing streak to get a chance to play. 

 
Banger said:
I don't know that most people thought that he'd win the job outright in training camp.  I know I didn't.  I think this a good step to getting a permanent role.  If Hill was a decent QB he'd have the job outright this year but he can't throw the ball...I don't think Lance has that issue.  I'd rather him get on the field with the opportunity to make plays vs. waiting for an injury or a team losing streak to get a chance to play. 
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Watching these games it looks like Lance needs some pretty major work on the throwing (see Faust's link above).  This is the preseason and he is missing pretty badly on quiet a few throws and hasn't figure out touch yet.  Doesn't mean he won't get there but he is not ready.

Compare his presason to pretty much all the other rookies who look like they are nfl ready (again it's only preseason so who knows if they are) and you can see Lance as a guy that has barely played QB in his life at any substantial level

 
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TREY LANCE QB, SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS

49ers head coach Kyle Shanahan said rotating Jimmy Garoppolo and Trey Lance will "always be an option" this season. 

Shanahan said the team had practiced with the QB rotation -- with Lance subbing in for Garoppolo sometimes on every other play -- and were pleased with how it worked Sunday against Vegas. “Whether it’s in their mind or not, that’s up to them,” Shanahan said of opposing defenses. “But we’ve got two guys who can play. And we’ve been doing it in practice a little bit, wanted to do it out there in the game. And I think it’s always going to be an option.”

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Jimmy Garoppolo

SOURCE: The Athletic 

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Banger said:
I don't know that most people thought that he'd win the job outright in training camp.  I know I didn't.  I think this a good step to getting a permanent role.  If Hill was a decent QB he'd have the job outright this year but he can't throw the ball...I don't think Lance has that issue.  I'd rather him get on the field with the opportunity to make plays vs. waiting for an injury or a team losing streak to get a chance to play. 
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All that makes sense, and I expected him to sit awhile. I'm just selfishly complaining about neither of them really being very useful starts during the platoon period.

 
I said it in the NO thread so I'll repeat it here... A true qbbc in the NFL would be the most awesome thing.  It has a 2% chance of working, but if it did it would be the greatest show we've seen since the wildcat was new.

 
wgoldsph said:
I said it in the NO thread so I'll repeat it here... A true qbbc in the NFL would be the most awesome thing.  It has a 2% chance of working, but if it did it would be the greatest show we've seen since the wildcat was new.
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This is conventional wisdom, but I don't know why this is necessarily true. Mobile QB for running situations, regular QB for passing situations. Then mix and match. I think it's an interesting idea.

If you're not getting a top 5-10 QB, instead of investing $30mil per year in a Kirk Cousins why not go get Nick Foles and Tyrod Taylor for half as much. Then play the defenses weakness; also give the opposing coaches a bunch more stuff to prepare for.

Like I said, I think it's an interesting idea. The Pats should try it this year too.

 
cloppbeast said:
This is conventional wisdom, but I don't know why this is necessarily true. Mobile QB for running situations, regular QB for passing situations. Then mix and match. I think it's an interesting idea.

If you're not getting a top 5-10 QB, instead of investing $30mil per year in a Kirk Cousins why not go get Nick Foles and Tyrod Taylor for half as much. Then play the defenses weakness; also give the opposing coaches a bunch more stuff to prepare for.

Like I said, I think it's an interesting idea. The Pats should try it this year too.
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I think it's just a matter of the NFL being a copy cat league and there only being a certain amount of practice time available for the rest of the offense to get used to the styles of two different quarterbacks.

 
cloppbeast said:
This is conventional wisdom, but I don't know why this is necessarily true. Mobile QB for running situations, regular QB for passing situations. Then mix and match. I think it's an interesting idea.

If you're not getting a top 5-10 QB, instead of investing $30mil per year in a Kirk Cousins why not go get Nick Foles and Tyrod Taylor for half as much. Then play the defenses weakness; also give the opposing coaches a bunch more stuff to prepare for.

Like I said, I think it's an interesting idea. The Pats should try it this year too.
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Yes, play Mac until you get to red zone. 😀

But that isn’t encouraging Mac to do better really. It would be sweet to se dual threat plays with Cam in as a motion fullback. 

 
Got him for $1 in an auction keeper league. I was stunned and excited. Guy has league winner written all over him. 

 
wgoldsph said:
I said it in the NO thread so I'll repeat it here... A true qbbc in the NFL would be the most awesome thing.  It has a 2% chance of working, but if it did it would be the greatest show we've seen since the wildcat was new.
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Back in the early 60s (1961?) the 49ers had THREE quarterbacks running the league’s first ever shotgun offense. John Brodie, Billy Kilmer, and I’m middle aged. Took the league by storm for about a month, nobody knew how to stop them.

Went into Soldier Field and got smashed like 49-0. Papa Bear Halas broke down the tendencies (one mostly ran, another mostly passed) and designed his defense accordingly.

That put the shotgun formation on the shelf for 15 years.

1971 Cowboys has alternating platoon quarterbacks. They tried by halves, quarters, every other series, and in one pitiful loss, every other play. After starting 4-3 while giving Craig Morton half the snaps, they settled on Roger Staubach. Won their last 10 and Landry’s first SB.

 
Bob Waters was the third QB.

Billy Kilmer was a first round QB and the NFL’s first running quarterback.

The Bears loss was 0-31. (getting old is neat) Nobody remembers it now, but on the NFL 50th Anniversary (1969) that game was on every list of most memorable games.

49ers started out 4-1 with wins of 49-0 over the Lions, 35-0 over the Rams and 38-24 over the Vikings.

NFL’s first running QB remembers how he shocked the league in 1961

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Ironic the 49ers are contemplating something similar 60 years later.

 
I think a 2 QB formation has better chances of success than a QB platoon. The common wisdom of not being able to establish a rhythm is a fact. You can already see how the niners WRs have yet to adjust to the velocity of Lance's throws. The blockers have to adjust to the tendencies of how each QB moves in the pocket. Etc etc... the list goes on. The one advantage the offense has over the defense is repetition, familiarity, and predictability, but with a QB rotation you are negating some of that advantage.

I think as QBs get more athletic (which has been the trend), and the pool of mobile QBs gets more saturated, it's possible we see playbooks start to expand where passes don't primarily come from the pocket. Will probably happen at the college level first tho, where things like ego and salary aren't as relevant.

 
Lol...Lance is barely 21 and has limited college experience.  His ceiling is off the charts, but he needs to develop, which takes time, especially in Shanahans offense.

I doubt we e see a ton of rotation within series like we saw against the Raiders in the regular season. I see Lance getting 6-10 snaps a game until he learns the offense and irons out some of his fixable habits/traits. There is absolutely zero reason right now to throw him in for a ton of snaps.

That said, I wont be surprised if he learns and improves quickly and starts before the season ends. I also won't be surprised if Jimmy is the guy all season, and Lance is handed the keys next year.

 
Shanny playing it coy w/ this whole starting QB business makes me feel like he's going to start Lance (if he's able to go) in Detroit, but it will be Garp that takes the majority of snaps for the entire game.

 
Would like to get some anecdotal data points on where he's being drafted. ADP shows 12thish round, but I'm assuming he's climbing fast rn.

 
Trey Lance (finger) remained "limited" on Thursday. 

“He’s still limited,” OC Mike McDaniel said plainly. “He looked good, but we’re very hesitant to get ahead of ourselves. ... You just have to let the week progress and see how it plays out. He looked good throwing the ball today and moving around. What does that mean for Sunday? We still have a practice to go before that. Hopefully there’s no setbacks and we’ll move from there.” We know Lance isn't starting in Detroit, but it is unclear if he is ready to be cut loose in a Taysom Hill-type capacity for his NFL debut. 

Sep 9, 2021, 7:21 PM ET
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Trey Lance (finger) has been removed from the Week 1 injury report and will play against the Lions on Sunday. 

Lance practiced on a limited basis on Friday, but the fact that he isn't listed on the injury report means he should be good to go. San Francisco brass never seemed overly concerned about Lance's injury, but it's nice to see him officially back. Jimmy Garoppolo will get the start, but Lance could mix in a little bit as we saw in the 49ers' preseason finale.

SOURCE: Matt Barrows on Twitter

Sep 10, 2021, 4:57 PM ET
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Good question.  

3 of SF's most "losable" games are the next 3 weeks with GB, Sea, @Ari followed by the Bye.  Best hope for Lance would be they get crushed in a couple of those, he gets some second half run, then they commit to him after the bye?

I am just spitballing.  Gets harder to hold as the weeks roll on.

 
Made the miscalculation of drafting him as a stash in the 9th round of 14-team 1-QB redraft league, behind Josh Allen.

6 bench spots + IR    But between, Gus Bus and Jeudy injuries, made the decision that this wasn't a luxury I could afford to dedicate a bench spot to.    The league had a chance to scoop him for free late last week before kickoff and nobody bit.   

 
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"Trey had a lot of fun pretending to be Jalen Hurts last week. He was throwing dimes all over the field," John Lynch said of Trey Lance on KNBR

9/24/21, 10:12 AM

 
Nice writeup:

"Trey Lance was 0 of 0 for 0 yards and didn't throw a touchdown pass Sunday in the San Francisco 49ers' 30-28 loss to the Green Bay Packers. He did not throw an interception, didn't fumble and was not sacked. Lance added one rushing yard on one carry and scored one touchdown on the ground."

 
scottybo said:
Nice writeup:

"Trey Lance was 0 of 0 for 0 yards and didn't throw a touchdown pass Sunday in the San Francisco 49ers' 30-28 loss to the Green Bay Packers. He did not throw an interception, didn't fumble and was not sacked. Lance added one rushing yard on one carry and scored one touchdown on the ground."
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Scooped him back up before the game in 1QB 14-team re-draft, partly because of Josh Allen's slow start.   Was rooting for Jimmy G to fail on the last drive to crank up the heat.   Would like to keep him stashed, but afraid I will come to the same conclusion that the upside isn't worth tying up a roster spot in a 1QB league with 6 bench spots.    

 
The song seems to remain the same:

Lance will get his time, but as long as the Niners are either winning or staying in games (and Jimmy G is healthy), I can't imagine Shanahan has any need or desire to throw Lance in for more than a few designed plays. Jimmy wasn't great last night, but good enough when it mattered.

 
zamboni said:
The song seems to remain the same:

Lance will get his time, but as long as the Niners are either winning or staying in games (and Jimmy G is healthy), I can't imagine Shanahan has any need or desire to throw Lance in for more than a few designed plays. Jimmy wasn't great last night, but good enough when it mattered.
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Well, they lost.

 
Alex P Keaton said:
zamboni said:
The song seems to remain the same:

Lance will get his time, but as long as the Niners are either winning or staying in games (and Jimmy G is healthy), I can't imagine Shanahan has any need or desire to throw Lance in for more than a few designed plays. Jimmy wasn't great last night, but good enough when it mattered.
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Well, they lost.
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Yes, but hard to say that was on Jimmy. He put them ahead at the end, and it was the defense that didn't keep Rodgers from getting the Packers' offense into scoring position. 

 
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Yes, but hard to say that was on Jimmy. He put them ahead at the end, and it was the defense that didn't keep Rodgers from getting the Packers' offense into scoring position. 
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He looked brutal at times.   Like when he spun around and threw the ball backwards, but didn’t think it was a live ball.

 
sushinsky4tsar said:
Scooped him back up before the game in 1QB 14-team re-draft, partly because of Josh Allen's slow start.   Was rooting for Jimmy G to fail on the last drive to crank up the heat.   Would like to keep him stashed, but afraid I will come to the same conclusion that the upside isn't worth tying up a roster spot in a 1QB league with 6 bench spots.    
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It's not about what you think the upside is. Because I think the time probably is coming. They gave it to him on the goal line at the end of the 2nd quarter- high risk situation and they trusted him to run it in. If he has those designed runs like Cam Newton did in his peak, man, that's some nice fantasy production.

It's about keeping him away from another owner who can add a player that can challenge your Josh Allen fantasy output in head-to-head. I don't think I can drop him as a Hurts owner in a 12 team 5 bench league, however I can agree with you my bench depth has suffered a bit. I just don't want to feel horrible when one week he finally is is the guy and he blows up and then someone uses him to beat me later. 

Is this bad logic? What are the odds of this? 

 
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TampaMike19 said:
It's not about what you think the upside is. It's about keeping him away from another owner who can add a player that can challenge your Josh Allen fantasy output in head-to-head. 
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True.   Keep away is part of it, along with the trade chip aspect, even in a 1QB.   The question is when does it happen, and how good does it look when it happens?    If it's fairly immediate top 10 fantasy QB with a sexy skillset to do even more, that's a legit trading chip that should have appeal for a number of teams in the league.   

If it's more of a top 15 to start, with good and bad games mixed in, nobody is paying up for that in my 1QB re-draft.   Maybe I have a bye week fill in if it happens by then, and maybe that's better than the other streaming options.   Not running into him in the fantasy playoffs when he's starting to put it together, assuming he lands on a  fantasy team that didn't have a better option, I don't know if that's a good enough reason to tie up the spot.

For context, I play in a yahoo league where we embrace competing for prospective injury stash free agents.   So committing means one less bench spot to go after the top injury stash free agent on Thursday night, noon Sunday, 3pm Sunday, Sunday night, and Monday night games.   In other formats where your bench players get locked, it's a lot easier to just make Lance the stash that probably takes over at some point in the fantasy season.

 
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