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QB Trey Lance, LAC (3 Viewers)

cloppbeast said:
Oh yes, Jimmy is terrible. Only has a 101 qb rating this year.
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Literally played the Lions week 1 where their receivers were averaging 18 YPR, including Deebo's fluky 80 yard TD.

100 rating and 87 rating since...it's not great. 4 sacks and 1 INT yesterday, just bad plays. 

 
TampaMike19 said:
Literally played the Lions week 1 where their receivers were averaging 18 YPR, including Deebo's fluky 80 yard TD.

100 rating and 87 rating since...it's not great. 4 sacks and 1 INT yesterday, just bad plays. 
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Why do you want Jimmy G to be a crap quarterback badly? The evidence shows he's a decent starter, much better than all the  rookies playing right now. It's doubtful San Francisco's rookie is an exception.

 
TampaMike19 said:
They gave it to him on the goal line at the end of the 2nd quarter- high risk situation and they trusted him to run it in.
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That was the thing that jumped out at me - trust by Shanny. But I imagine Shanny doesn’t trust him enough yet to run the offense effectively for a full game, at least not as much as he does with Jimmy.

 
Alex P Keaton said:
His spinning, backward spike when under pressure was impressive.
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You have to give credit where credit is due, but overall he's terrible. It's been only 3 games and he's already thrown an interception. He's on pace for like 6 this season. Lance will be in before too long.

 
The Jimmy hate is so hilarious to me, especially from the ones who aren't 49er fans.

He's living rent free in a lot of heads around here. 🤣

 
Wingnut said:
The Jimmy hate is so hilarious to me, especially from the ones who aren't 49er fans.

He's living rent free in a lot of heads around here. 🤣
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He’s a turnover waiting to happen. Much of the rest of his career will be spent carrying a clipboard with a clean jersey.  How can anybody think this guy is good is beyond me. Niners win a SuperBowl if he can get a first down. Until that last drive last night he was mediocre at best.  At best. 

 
Judge Smails said:
He’s a turnover waiting to happen. Much of the rest of his career will be spent carrying a clipboard with a clean jersey.  How can anybody think this guy is good is beyond me. Niners win a SuperBowl if he can get a first down. Until that last drive last night he was mediocre at best.  At best. 
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Not sure why you'd care if you're not a 49er fan, but OK.

 
Alex P Keaton said:
Just trying to understand your own personal rules for the site
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Rules? All I said is I don't get why some non 49er fans let Jimmy take up so much space in their heads. 

I  also don't get why that bothers you, but you do you, boo.

 
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jtd13 said:
I read just fine. Almost as well as you backtrack 😂
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You read, you just don't comprehend. And that's OK.

Back on topic - anyone who thinks Lance will start anytime soon is gonna be disappointed. Jimmy is the guy this year unless they fall out of contention, and even then it's not a guarantee. It's just the way it is.

 
Smack Tripper said:
You don’t take a guy 3 to let G flop around like a putz
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It's been beat to death on the internet all over the place and for good reason: Jimmy G is terrible. No need to sugar coat it. The 49ers lose games sometimes when he plays, in fact they've lost 28% of the games starting him. And it's worse this year, where they're losing 33% of the time. It's ridiculous. They couldn't even win the Super Bowl with Jimmy.

Shanahan will soon change his mind if he wants to turn this franchise around. Lance has never lost an NFL game he started, nor has he even thrown an incompletion. He scores tds on almost 30% of his plays. That's like 100 points a game if he plays the whole time. Their days of losing games sometimes will be over once they put Lance in.

 
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I think Jimmy is fine. He's a serviceable starting qb, who can be successful on a well coached team with a strong running game to lean on, and a good defense. Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl with that model and Jimmy went to one. What I don't understand is the 49ers thinking. Early records aside, I believe the 49ers are the worst team in the division. I would think at some point Shanahan will want to see if they can catch lightning with a Lance led offense and tilt the field a little. Their only chance to truly excel, this season, is by being unconventional. Deploying a RPO model, coupled with their zone blocking scheme that puts stress on the defense and keeps them on their heels. The other advantage of that approach is the inability to prepare for it in practice. Similar to the Ravens, very few teams have scout team qb's who can recreate those situations. They have to deploy rbs to play qb to simulate it. The other fact is the Niners used a top 3 pick on a qb, trading up to get him. I think I heard that, of the qbs taken top 5 in the draft, 85%-90% were starters by week 6. The Niners know what they have in Jimmy and can win with him, but it leaves them no room for error. That's why they drafted Lance. If they had a clear path to the playoffs this year, I get it. I just don't see them even finishing 3rd in their division. 

 
jurrassic said:
I think Jimmy is fine. He's a serviceable starting qb, who can be successful on a well coached team with a strong running game to lean on, and a good defense. Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl with that model and Jimmy went to one. What I don't understand is the 49ers thinking. Early records aside, I believe the 49ers are the worst team in the division. I would think at some point Shanahan will want to see if they can catch lightning with a Lance led offense and tilt the field a little. Their only chance to truly excel, this season, is by being unconventional. Deploying a RPO model, coupled with their zone blocking scheme that puts stress on the defense and keeps them on their heels. The other advantage of that approach is the inability to prepare for it in practice. Similar to the Ravens, very few teams have scout team qb's who can recreate those situations. They have to deploy rbs to play qb to simulate it. The other fact is the Niners used a top 3 pick on a qb, trading up to get him. I think I heard that, of the qbs taken top 5 in the draft, 85%-90% were starters by week 6. The Niners know what they have in Jimmy and can win with him, but it leaves them no room for error. That's why they drafted Lance. If they had a clear path to the playoffs this year, I get it. I just don't see them even finishing 3rd in their division. 
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They looked pretty terrible against a suspect GB team. No one even knows how good the Packers are- I don't think they're very good at all this year. Now look at SF- beat DET, beat PHI, lose to GB, sheesh, this team might not make it to .500 at this rate with Jimmy. 

Now, Detroit has proved to be very feisty and not a pushover this year. PHI has a ton of growing pains, but there were chances PHI could've won that game (west to east coast as well.)

IDK- I think I'm going to hold all-year. You won't find QB's that could / will consistently be called running plays for them at the goal line outside of Murray, Hurts, Lamar, and Allen.

Odds are in the fantasy playoffs you will be going against one of these QBs in fantasy. I'm not convinced a pocket passer will lead anyone to the title this year (maybe Brady but he needs 4-5 TDs and/or a RUSHING TD and 400 yards passing to get there.) Also 44 years old at end of season. Stafford is playing at Baltimore in week 17, which I think is brutal, west coast to east and Baltimore is just too feisty at home (KC was tough but it's Mahomes). Also, Rams offense is going to have to slow down at some point IMO. Efficiency is off the charts - 70 yard busted play TD's all over the place 

 
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This weekend could conceivably be a turning point in the Jimmy G/Lance debate. A divisional loss at home against the  Seahawks may shorten that Jimmy G leash. 

 
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zamboni said:
This weekend could conceivably be a turning point in the Jimmy G/Lance debate. A divisional loss at home against the  Seahawks may shorten that Jimmy G leash. 
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Maybe. We really don’t know what Shanahan thinks of Lance’s readiness. I don’t think Shanahan is going to throw him out there if there’s any chance he looks like Fields did last weekend. 

 
TampaMike19 said:
They looked pretty terrible against a suspect GB team. No one even knows how good the Packers are- I don't think they're very good at all this year. Now look at SF- beat DET, beat PHI, lose to GB, sheesh, this team might not make it to .500 at this rate with Jimmy.
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They took GB to the brink.  The same GB team that has been to the NFC championship game each of the last two seasons.  Jimmy didn't lose this game for them, and damn near won it.

 
Some ups and downs today, but he’s going to get at least one start to prepare and get his feet wet: Jimmy out a few weeks with his calf injury.
 

That gives Lance next week in a tough matchup at Arizona and then the bye. 

 
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Curious to see where he lands in weekly rankings for week 5.  Between the rushing floor and possible garbage time passing against Ari, not the worst week 5 start..

 
The Athletic's Tim Kawakami said "nobody" in the 49ers organization was ready for Trey Lance to take over as the team's starting quarterback so early in the season. 

"Nobody was ready. This was not the plan," Kawakami said after Jimmy Garoppolo exited the team's Week 4 game with a calf injury, forcing Lance under center for the second half against Seattle. "Lance had barely played in the first three games. Shanahan had recently sounded more committed to Garoppolo than ever for this season." Kawkami pointed out that head coach Kyle Shanahan had "recently quite pointedly avoided even the idea of getting Lance more regularly into the game flow." Apparently the plan was for Garoppolo to head the Niners offense for as long as possible. Now Lance is the starter, perhaps for a lengthy stretch as Garoppolo recovers. Lance acquitted himself well against the Seahawks, overcoming some shaky early throws and totaling 157 yards and two touchdowns -- adding 41 rushing yards -- in the team's Week 4 loss. Lance's 20.4 fantasy points in one half of play is a mouth watering preview of his potential as the 49ers' starter this week against Arizona. 

RELATED: 

Jimmy Garoppolo

SOURCE: The Athletic 

Oct 4, 2021, 12:55 PM ET
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Shanahan has gotta go. Let the kid play man. The NFL is different now- rookies come in more prepared than ever and just let him take his lumps and get experience. The 49ers are probably going nowhere fast now.

This team feels like it is built on smoke and mirrors and the QB needs to be more dynamic to have a chance in this division 

 
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TampaMike19 said:
Shanahan has gotta go. Let the kid play man. The NFL is different now- rookies come in more prepared than ever and just let him take his lumps and get experience. 
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The difference with most rookies that start in the NFL is they have way more college experience than Trey.  When they drafted him they knew he would need time to develop, the kid is barely 21 years old.

Now it's baptism by fire, and he won't have the luxury of a good run game or his best O-lineman.

Fingers crossed for Trey. He's being forced to start in a pretty bad situation against a red hot division rival.

 
Wingnut said:
The difference with most rookies that start in the NFL is they have way more college experience than Trey.  When they drafted him they knew he would need time to develop, the kid is barely 21 years old.

Now it's baptism by fire, and he won't have the luxury of a good run game or his best O-lineman.

Fingers crossed for Trey. He's being forced to start in a pretty bad situation against a red hot division rival.
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I don’t care that he’s 21, he has barely any real college experience. Talent for sure, but he could turn into a worse version of RG3 without good coaching. 
 

I’ll be starting him over brissett but it could be ugly. 

 
Trey Lance completed 9-of-18 passes for 157 yards and two touchdowns and ran for 41 yards on 7 carries in the 49ers' 28-21, Week 4 loss to the Seahawks.

He looked skittish in the pocket and 76 of his yards and a touchdown came on a busted coverage play where he underthrew Deebo Samuel. The speedy receiver still managed to reach the end zone though. Kyle Shanahan summed it up well after the final whistle, saying, "it looked like a typical first game." He added, "that's why he's a number-two quarterback." The comments make it sound like Jimmy Garoppolo, who missed the second half with a calf injury, will return to the starting role if he's healthy for Week 5. If he is unable to play, Lance's rushing production will make him an instant QB1 candidate in a shootout with the Cardinals next week. Lance needs to be added in all leagues even without knowing Garoppolo's status yet.
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49ers QB Trey Lance was named the starting quarterback for Week 5 against the Cardinals.

With Jimmy Garoppolo (calf) officially ruled out, Lance will become the fourth-youngest quarterback in the Super Bowl era to make his first career start. George Kittle's (calf, doubtful) absence is concerning since the 27-year-old is graded as Pro Football Focus' No. 3 pass-blocking tight end this year, but Trent Williams' full bill of health in practice should mask that. With seven carries in 30 minutes during last week's loss to Seattle, Lance's rushing floor as a low-end QB1 offsets the volatility of his (potential) inaccuracy if he struggles through the air. Note that this total (49) against the Cardinals has plummeted a full 4.5 points since initially opening at 53.5 on PointsBet.

SOURCE: Nick Wagoner on Twitter

Oct 8, 2021, 4:25 PM ET
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I'm expecting a circa 2016 Kaepernick-esque performance.

200 yds passing 1TD 2 turnovers, 75 yds rushing and maybe another TD.... most of it will be in garbage time down 2+ scores.

 
Now that we know Kittle is going to IR, how does this impact Lance going forward (besides its a negative, obviously) - is he now doomed or is this just a minor downgrade considering he's more of a running QB anyway

 
It hurts him, Kittle also provides run blocks(including trey Lance's runs), if its a slow start try buying low before Kittle gets back and if you have Lance already hold him until you see the team w/ Kittle.

 
Trey Lance completed 15-of-29 passes for 192 yards, zero touchdowns and an interception in the 49ers' 17-10, Week 5 loss to the Cardinals, adding 16 carries for 89 additional yards. 

Making his first career start, the No. 3 overall pick got absolutely battered by a swarming, incessant Cardinals front even though he officially only took two sacks. Whether as a runner or passer, Lance was getting walloped practically every play, and was lucky to escape the game standing. No hit was bigger than the fourth down shot Lance took from the Cardinals' one-yard line in the second quarter. Lance was seemingly already in the end zone when he got blown up by Isaiah Simmons. The defender was injured on the play, but Lance thankfully stayed in. The two overarching takeaways were Lance's rushing production and passing inaccuracy. With the former, he arguably exceeded expectations, easily leading the 49ers in both carries and output. With the latter, he was as shaky as feared, displaying little touch or accuracy as he routinely sailed balls high. He didn't look like someone the Niners were ready to let run away with the starting gig. There is probably a strong chance it will be Jimmy Garoppolo under center for Week 7 against the Colts if he can shake his calf injury following the 49ers' bye. 

Oct 10, 2021, 7:30 PM ET
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https://www.nfl.com/teams/arizona-cardinals/stats

I dunno how one would rank AZ's defense after 5 games in 2021, but at this point I wouldn't place them in the top ten. I think the 49ers even with injury has a better defense. That's what kept them in the game against AZ, at home.

What could be extrapolated from this game: is Lance on 3rd and long as opposed to 4th and short. That''s on Kyle Shanahan. The hot seat glowed a bit today for Shanahan, he is underwater in the W/L column and there is no real horizon this season for the 49ers. If Lance turns out Vikings Teddy Bridgewater or Jets Geno Smith, given what the 49ers gave up to draft Lance, well let me put it this way: the 49ers have just entered the full rebuild mode two seasons removed from the Super Bowl.

Given how much they are bleeding in cash due to Levi's Stadium, and only a few million from being capped out, along with a penchant for acquiring injury prone talent, Lance's value can only be measured in game day fantasy points.

 
drummer said:
https://www.nfl.com/teams/arizona-cardinals/stats

I dunno how one would rank AZ's defense after 5 games in 2021, but at this point I wouldn't place them in the top ten. I think the 49ers even with injury has a better defense. That's what kept them in the game against AZ, at home.

What could be extrapolated from this game: is Lance on 3rd and long as opposed to 4th and short. That''s on Kyle Shanahan. The hot seat glowed a bit today for Shanahan, he is underwater in the W/L column and there is no real horizon this season for the 49ers. If Lance turns out Vikings Teddy Bridgewater or Jets Geno Smith, given what the 49ers gave up to draft Lance, well let me put it this way: the 49ers have just entered the full rebuild mode two seasons removed from the Super Bowl.

Given how much they are bleeding in cash due to Levi's Stadium, and only a few million from being capped out, along with a penchant for acquiring injury prone talent, Lance's value can only be measured in game day fantasy points.
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He worth keeping in a keeper if you have a solid starter?
I just feel he could be a fantasy playoff hero but IDK why i have that feeling 

 
Trey Lance (knee) did not participate in Monday's practice.

Lance suffered the knee injury in Week 5 and got a bye week's worth of rest in before practice. Still bothered by the issue, reporters didn't spot him at practice on Monday. Jimmy Garoppolo returned and didn't look hampered by his calf injury which means he should be able to draw the start versus Indianaoplis. If Lance is sidelined for Week 7, Nate Sudfeld would remain the team's backup quarterback. 

SOURCE: Cam Inman on Twitter

Oct 18, 2021, 2:41 PM ET
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