The long pass to Samuel down the right sideline was perfect. It was well defended. It wasn't that ugly, I'm still high on Lance, who has done well with a clean pocket and can make something out of nothing when the pocket breaks dow.
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QB Trey Lance, LAC (4 Viewers)
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Stuart Ullman
Footballguy
I'm sold on him. SleeperBot has him scoring more points than Aaron Rodgers in their projections. Shanahan crowned him. The pundits crowned him. Who am I to say no? I'll draft him in a few leagues.
zamboni
Footballguy
As a Lance owner, definitely am concerned with Jimmy G sticking around.
I get that the Niners don’t want Jimmy to end up with Seattle, and maybe are actually doing him a solid by paying him good coin to help develop Lance.
But after ghosting Jimmy all offseason, have to think this is a clear sign that the team has some concerns with Lance.
I get that the Niners don’t want Jimmy to end up with Seattle, and maybe are actually doing him a solid by paying him good coin to help develop Lance.
But after ghosting Jimmy all offseason, have to think this is a clear sign that the team has some concerns with Lance.
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
in some ways, the conclusion was logical here. There really is no market for JG to start. CLE may be interested in this new contract in terms of acquisition, but with early December now but 3 months away, feels like not enough time now. If he was going to be a back-up, might as well dance with the one who brought you.
zamboni
Footballguy
I guess it would have been easiest/most economical for the Niners to just cut him and pay him nothing. But a revised Plan B of having Nate Sudfeld guide a Super Bowl-hopeful team if Lance gets hurt/struggles badly was probably viewed as even less desirable.
As someone doing a lot of drafts over next week and a half I look forward to hopefully obtaining Lance at a reduced cost.
If Jimmy could have beat that contract with SEA he'd not have agreed to this deal. He not only had no trade market, the market to sign him outright was not very hot either.
Now this to me makes sense for everyone. SF gets a massive backup QB upgrade to a player who takes a lot of hits. Maybe more importantly if an injury or situation opens up QB need for a team in the league SF can still of course easily deal him.
For Jimmy it again likely means had no current trade market and a cold market in general. He now gets some guaranteed and a no trade clause which means if a team does end up with a QB need he has control over his destination and part of that control would enable to request additional compensation if he's dealt.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
This could be an uncomfortable situation if Lance struggles early (very possible). I don’t know how having a vet with a good playoff track record looking over a young developing QB’s shoulder doesn’t add a ton of pressure. Lance needs to play well and play well consistently.
Wingnut
Footballguy
No it doesn't.
satch
Footballguy
SF has made it abundantly clear that this is Lance’s team. They have also made it clear that Jimmy G is not in their long term plans. The last thing SF wants is a QB controversy putting added pressure on Lance, who is already under tremendous pressure. This leads me to believe Jimmy G was signed to be traded sooner than later, eliminating the possibility of a QB controversy.
zamboni
Footballguy
It certainly is possible that the Niners are waiting for the first team to lose their starting QB and make a trade, and perhaps they've made that clear to Lance, but it's certainly not a vote of confidence for the kid when they could have just outright released Jimmy.
satch
Footballguy
Why release him for zero return when they could potentially trade him for something like Kareem Hunt?
zamboni
Footballguy
Fair point - $9 million as a backup is a whole lot more palatable than $25 million.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
If the Niners get off to a slow start and Lance looks bad, it's a good insurance policy in a relatively weak NFC.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I think to most non-homers, it does at least a little bit. Jimmy could have been released and saved some cap room and after Lance struggles in the preseason they found a way to hold onto him.
I mean it won't matter if Lance does ball out of course - but they surely paid an insurance premium here.
Chaka
Footballguy
Jimmy's deal includes a no-trade clause (and the Niners can't tag him next year(. Why sign on, for less money, to be traded when he was one day away from being able to choose his own destination?
This is a win-win situation. If Lance falters or gets injured he is backstopped by a QB with the proven ability to make repeated deep playoff runs.
And Jimmy gets the first crack next year to sign wherever he wants giving him a full off-season in his new offense rather than being thrust into a bad situation at the last minute.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
If Zach Wilson looks shaky again this season, the Jets will surely be reaching out to Jimmy G next offseason. Same can be said for Tua in Miami and Jones with the NYG.
He clearly agreed to this paycut so that he'd get his true free agency next offseason - and got the no trade clause to make that a reality.
Wingnut
Footballguy
I think to most non-homers, it does at least a little bit. Jimmy could have been released and saved some cap room and after Lance struggles in the preseason they found a way to hold onto him.
I mean it won't matter if Lance does ball out of course - but they surely paid an insurance premium here.
OK, but maybe Purdy and Sudfeld didn't show enough for the staff to have faith in them should Lance miss time (and 49er QBs have been known to get injured often the past few years).
Maybe that, along with the fact that had they released Jimmy, they would get nothing in return and a division rival could have and prob would have signed him without giving up any draft capital.
Now, the 49ers have a backup they are more than comfortable with, with a contract that other teams can now justify if one comes calling before the trade deadline, and if not, the 49ers keep their excellent backup QB for the remainder of the season and he can hit the market running next year and compete for a starting job somewhere, and the 49ers cab find a veteran backup in FA.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
obviously this could be spun anyway you (general "you") want in order to make the point one is trying to make - but not sure why it's laughable that some one would think there's at least a kernel of doubt in the front office's belief in Lance in 2022. Seems kind of obvious - Seattle is going to be terrible with or without Jimmy G and personally I doubt they would have signed him - they're looking at the 2023 draft for their QB.I think to most non-homers, it does at least a little bit. Jimmy could have been released and saved some cap room and after Lance struggles in the preseason they found a way to hold onto him.
I mean it won't matter if Lance does ball out of course - but they surely paid an insurance premium here.
OK, but maybe Purdy and Sudfeld didn't show enough for the staff to have faith in them should Lance miss time (and 49er QBs have been known to get injured often the past few years).
Maybe that, along with the fact that had they released Jimmy, they would get nothing in return and a division rival could have and prob would have signed him without giving up any draft capital.
Now, the 49ers have a backup they are more than comfortable with, with a contract that other teams can now justify if one comes calling before the trade deadline, and if not, the 49ers keep their excellent backup QB for the remainder of the season and he can hit the market running next year and compete for a starting job somewhere, and the 49ers cab find a veteran backup in FA.
zamboni
Footballguy
Jimmy's best financial offer was likely from the Niners. I doubt Seattle or any other team would have given him $9 million, especially when it would take time to acclimate him into the offense.
If they could trade him for Kareem Hunt wouldn't they have done so at the same time as this re-structuring?
There was no trade market, not much of a decent free agent market even, so now he's a modestly priced insurance policy against BOTH injury and sub-par play out of Lance. Of course they could end up trading him if something develops, but that's secondary IMO.
Wingnut
Footballguy
The goal is to build the best possible roster, and the 49ers roster is better WITH Jimmy than without him.
Which depth chart would anyone rather have?
Lance, Sudfeld, Purdy
Or
Lance, Jimmy, (and maybe Sudfeld or Purdy)
With no trade interest, this was a no brainer for SF IMO
Which depth chart would anyone rather have?
Lance, Sudfeld, Purdy
Or
Lance, Jimmy, (and maybe Sudfeld or Purdy)
With no trade interest, this was a no brainer for SF IMO
Right, which is why I think this was an overpay by the Niners, who need every last cap dollar to keep their talented players and maybe, hopefully, add some talent on the OL to keep whoever is playing QB alive.
3quinox825
Footballguy
I mean, he played really good at North Dakota State University BUT there's a big difference between NDSU and the NFL. That being said, he seems to have all the ability to be dominant. It will just be a learning curve.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Yes, they gave the eventual SB winners all they could handle in their 3 games last year. And that was with this year's backup QB.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Saw this on Twitter. Don't know why he's cherry picking the first 9 weeks, but it's still interesting.
Garoppolo's First 9 Games of 2019 (Super Bowl year)
68.4% completion percentage
2054 yds passing (228/game)
14 tds, 8 ints
7 fumbles (4 lost)
20 rushes, 33 yards, 1 td (1 yd)
1 game without a turnover
2 games without an INT
3 games with 0 passing TDs
4 games with less than 200 yds passing
2 standout games:
Week 2 vs. Cin (296 yds, 3 tds, 1 int)
Week 8 @ Ari (327 yds, 4 tds, 0 ints)
Record 8-1
Reasonable expectations for Trey, numbers wise?
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
Overall, I'm expecting some level of Josh Allen circa 2018-2019 seasons from Lance.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I said the same to a friend this weekend. Lance has a lot of correlations with Allen coming into the league. Buffalo did a phenomenal job of developing Allen and I think Lance has a shot at the same trajectory. My concern is Shanahan being patient enough for that to occur.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Did you get a receipt?Ended up with Deebo and Kittle. I feel like they were both value picks but is there still enough firepower in this offense to sustain both? I like Trey but I’m a little skeptical
Chaka
Footballguy
I am high on Trey in magic football but, personally I am fading Deebo a lot. Only one of his TDs came from inside the 5, only one receiving TD inside the 10. TDs are the most difficult stat to predict, and Deebo was a big play TD machine last year, which is incredibly difficult to replicate. He's not their goal line back and he doesn't seem to be their red zone receiver either (2 of 6 receiving TDs inside the 20). I'll pass on that risk.Ended up with Deebo and Kittle. I feel like they were both value picks but is there still enough firepower in this offense to sustain both? I like Trey but I’m a little skeptical
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
I’m pretty worried about Trey this season. I think he has a serious accuracy problem. The sample size is very small, but I haven’t seen anything to get me overly excited. a few big plays, but I’d rather consistency. Feels like he has the tools, but there will be a lot of growing pain this year.
I‘m very hopeful for a big game against Chicago to shake some of the nerves out and build the confidence. I’m very hopeful to be wrong , but I’m moderately pessimistic on Trey this year. No matter what, I think they need to stick with him all season no matter how bad he plays and just let him grow. He has the tools, just needs to be coached up.
I‘m very hopeful for a big game against Chicago to shake some of the nerves out and build the confidence. I’m very hopeful to be wrong , but I’m moderately pessimistic on Trey this year. No matter what, I think they need to stick with him all season no matter how bad he plays and just let him grow. He has the tools, just needs to be coached up.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
For better or worse, stacking him and Kittle A LOT. Both have top 5 upside with their positions and come at a fraction of the cost of Mahomes/Kelce or Lamar/Andrews. I think he's this year's Hurts for fantasy with A LOT more upside IMO as a passer.
I am not touching Deebo this season at his ADP. I see Lance hurting both him and Mitchell's values and taking away goalline work. And I personally don't see the receiving upside with Deebo where he's being taken, Lance in Year 1 what'll be likely a run heavy O, competing with Aiyuk/Kittle.
I am not touching Deebo this season at his ADP. I see Lance hurting both him and Mitchell's values and taking away goalline work. And I personally don't see the receiving upside with Deebo where he's being taken, Lance in Year 1 what'll be likely a run heavy O, competing with Aiyuk/Kittle.
Wingnut
Footballguy
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I'm not too worried. They're gonna run the ball a TON, and I expect their defense to be top notch, so Lance could be a middle of the pack QB numbers wise and I still think they win a lot of games.
The only way Jimmy should see playing time is if Lance gets hurt. Remember last year they started 3-5, and Kyle didn't make a QB switch. This year is of couse different because he now has a backup who has postseason experience and has been to a SB, but I just dont see Lance struggling to the point of being pulled.
I'm not too worried. They're gonna run the ball a TON, and I expect their defense to be top notch, so Lance could be a middle of the pack QB numbers wise and I still think they win a lot of games.
The only way Jimmy should see playing time is if Lance gets hurt. Remember last year they started 3-5, and Kyle didn't make a QB switch. This year is of couse different because he now has a backup who has postseason experience and has been to a SB, but I just dont see Lance struggling to the point of being pulled.
Don't love the weather report today. Thinking of pivoting to Carr. Ugh.
SFO @ CHI -
Looks like our best chance for very heavy rain comes early (around kickoff, perhaps even before it), with the chance for some lingering showers beyond that. Winds are also worth watching here, 15-20mph sustained, and at some points stronger. I know it's unusual in the NFL, but a delayed start to this game isn't out of the question. A delayed start would actually bring winds more into play, as they are strongest in the late afternoon.
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SFO @ CHI -
Looks like our best chance for very heavy rain comes early (around kickoff, perhaps even before it), with the chance for some lingering showers beyond that. Winds are also worth watching here, 15-20mph sustained, and at some points stronger. I know it's unusual in the NFL, but a delayed start to this game isn't out of the question. A delayed start would actually bring winds more into play, as they are strongest in the late afternoon.
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Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Well, it's been raining pretty heavily here the past couple of hours, but it's definitely calmed down now. Still raining, but more of a steady medium rain (vs what was almost a downpour for awhile). Radar looks like it will be raining consistently through the 1st half and into Q3. Winds in the 10-12 mph range through 4pm CT.Don't love the weather report today. Thinking of pivoting to Carr. Ugh.
SFO @ CHI -
Looks like our best chance for very heavy rain comes early (around kickoff, perhaps even before it), with the chance for some lingering showers beyond that. Winds are also worth watching here, 15-20mph sustained, and at some points stronger. I know it's unusual in the NFL, but a delayed start to this game isn't out of the question. A delayed start would actually bring winds more into play, as they are strongest in the late afternoon.
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fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Ya think? No I’ll give him a pass because of the weather but I rejected a Rodgers/Lance trade this morning and kind of regretting it.
The Frankman
Footballguy
Banger
Footballguy
ya, I think wait and see approach is best at this point but losing Mitchell and losing on the road vs a bad Bears team is not the start they are looking for. I didn't like that they didn't move Jimmy G and now you have him lurking in the weeds. They won't make a fast move to him and I don't think he's the answer but if they start off terribly you never know what may happen. Still premature but the Lance buzz hasn't been great from SF and the big reveal certainly didn't live up to all the hype.
If they lose to the seahawks, hang onto your hats because it's going to get messy
Ignoratio Elenchi
Footballguy
I am mystified by the whole Trey Lance situation. I don't really understand why the 49ers traded up to get him and why they were ready to move away from a QB who almost (and realistically, could have) brought them to 1-2 Super Bowl victories in the past couple of years. I haven't seen every snap of his but to me he doesn't look that great and his stats in the handful of games he's played bear that out as well.
I hope he's great but so far I haven't see any reason to believe he will be. What am I missing?
I hope he's great but so far I haven't see any reason to believe he will be. What am I missing?
Scooby1974
Footballguy
Niners were sloppy. 12 penalties. All 3 scoring drives were extended due to really dumb penalties. Facemask, late hit, and defensive holding. The D had stopped the Bears, but the penalties gave the first down and they ended up going on to score. Trey had some very nice throws. He missed a long pass during the first quarter to his backup TE that should have/could have been a TD. No Kittle, no starting safety. Lost his starting RB in the 1st half. The second half of that game was terrible in every way.
I don't think you are missing much. I think GMs see Patrick Mahones now and want to replicate it. Big arm and mobile - that's what Lance gives you. It was a massive gamble what they did and the franchise will sink or swim on that one decision. Lance is young and has barely played any real football so he has potentially a lot of room to grow. He took a ton of hits yesterday though...
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
He was super raw coming out and maybe the Niners thought he would develop quicker than he did. They could have just went with Jimmy G another year and put the pressure on him to perform with Lance still developing behind him. They seemed to make the call early that Lance is their starter and they probably regret it. They may have thought the market would have been more active his services as well. Either way Lance has a steep hill to climb. Not too many of these small school raw QBs pan out like Josh Allen did. It will be an interesting story line as each week goes by.
