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QB Trey Lance, LAC (3 Viewers)

Mark Sanchez took the Jets to back-to-back AFCC games in his first two years in the league (not sure if anyone else can make that claim). Sometimes teams win in spite of their QB.
So, Jimmy Garoppolo is Mark Sanchez now?

The guy who's 33-14 with 68% completions, 5% TD rate, 2.6% INT rate, 8.3 y/a

Is the same as the guy who's 37-36, 57% completions, 3.7% TD rate, 3.8% INT rate, 6.6 y/a?

Garoppolo gets zero credit for his teams being 33-14 with him and 8-29 without him since 2017?

Is that really what were saying?

I mean, sure knock him for being injury prone but at the very least the dude knows how not to lose football games.
Jimmy isn't Sanchez, but he's closer to Sanchez than Brady or Mahomes. In the four playoff games the Niners won with JG, he averaged 17 passing attempts per game (and winning by 11 ppg). The defense allowed 14 ppg and the team ran for 187 yards on average. In their two playoff losses, the defense allowed 25.5 ppg, Jimmy had 30+ passing attempts both games, and they averaged half as many rushing yards. Garoppolo has a 4-2 record as a starter in the post season with 4 TD in and 6 INT with a 74 rating. SF won their last NFCC game win on a blocked punt returned for a TD.

In their 6 playoff games, the SF offense has scored a total of 9 points (no TD) in the 4th quarter, getting outscored 57-9. That's not all on Jimmy, but it's not like he lit things up late in playoff games,

The two years they advanced in the playoffs, the first year they ranked #1 in rushing TD, #2 in rushing yards, and had one of the top defenses once they got guys back and healthy. The running game and defense weren't as good in 2021, but they were still near the top of the league in both aspects.

Not surprisingly, over the years when JG didn't play, the defense was nowhere near as good, they couldn't run the ball very well, and they had other injuries. The 2018 team forced 7 turnovers. The 2019 squad forced 34. There are any number of other reasons why the Niners were better WITH Garoppolo, but that doesn't mean they were better BECAUSE of Garoppolo, Sure, they were better when JG played over the flotsam and jetsam known as Nick Mullens, C.J. Beathard, or Brian Hoyer. Not exactly the best the game has to offer. So sure, if the rest of the team is healthy, they can run the football, and the defense is firing on all cylinders, SF can win games with Jimmy G by limiting mistakes. As for his yards per attempt numbers, it certainly didn't hurt having Deebo leading the league with 10 YARDS AFTER CATCH per reception to give Jimmy a full extra YPA.

How good is Garoppolo? Maybe league average. Maybe not. How often does a SB winning team win with guys like that? Not all that often. At least for now, JG hasn't shown that he can lead late game comebacks or have big games when the lights are brightest. Maybe he has that in him . . . but he hasn't displayed that as of yet.
 
Jimmy isn't Sanchez, but he's closer to Sanchez than Brady or Mahomes.
If I had responded with stats from Brady or Mahones that would have been just as ludicrous as comparing him to Sanchez. Those are the extremes. Garoppolo isn't going to will a team to the Super Bowl like Mahomes can or Brady could. He's never making the HoF. Garoppolo needs to be on a good team and be as good a QB as Flacco, Dilfer, Hostettler, etc. That is absolutely within his skill set. He is already better than any of those guys ever were. He is exactly the kind of efficient QB who pushes the ball down field and plays smart, mostly mistake free football. That's a winning formula.

As HSG pointed out, very correctly, Garoppolo didn't lose the Super Bowl, he never should have been in a position to have to lead a game winning drive in the first place. That was 100% a team loss.

The bar for this guy has been set to ridiculous levels.
 
Lance may eventually be a good QB, but the 49ers should have never traded three 1st round picks for him. They could have drafted Fields with their original 1st rounder. :thumbdown:

They had pick #12 overall, and Chicago took Fields at 11.

Also, they took good looks at both Fields and Lance, they liked what they saw more in Lance than Fields. It's easy to say coulda shoulda but it doesn't change anything.
You're right about Fields but Lance still wasn't/isn't worth what the 49ers paid for him.
I heard SF originally were gunning for Mac Jones.

src https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/4...-due-public-pressure-rodney-harrison-believes

^yadda yadda^ Mac Jones did not have a good 'pro day' and they would have looked dumb to trade up for someone they could have got w/o moving up.

Interesting to think though that Trey was Plan B and maybe Jimmy G plays more like Mac Jones.
 
Lance may eventually be a good QB, but the 49ers should have never traded three 1st round picks for him. They could have drafted Fields with their original 1st rounder. :thumbdown:

They had pick #12 overall, and Chicago took Fields at 11.

Also, they took good looks at both Fields and Lance, they liked what they saw more in Lance than Fields. It's easy to say coulda shoulda but it doesn't change anything.
You're right about Fields but Lance still wasn't/isn't worth what the 49ers paid for him.
I heard SF originally were gunning for Mac Jones.

src https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/4...-due-public-pressure-rodney-harrison-believes

^yadda yadda^ Mac Jones did not have a good 'pro day' and they would have looked dumb to trade up for someone they could have got w/o moving up.

Interesting to think though that Trey was Plan B and maybe Jimmy G plays more like Mac Jones.

I dont believe for a second that they thought about taking Mac, regardless of draft position. IMO Kyle has wanted a hybrid QB like RGIII, Jamar, etc for years. Rodney Harrisons opinion doesn't hold any weight for me.

Doesn't really matter, it's all speculation anyway
 
Well, everybody has said it I'm sure but let me, too - I wish him the absolute best. Sucks so dang bad. He will recover from this injury and should be fine. I don't know how much success Jimmy would have to have to undermine Lance's shot next year. I have to assume the organization is still going to go with Lance next year unless Jimmy just destroys it.

Not gonna lie, this is a huge hit in my SuperFlex dynasty leagues. I can hold him on IR but while his value was sky high a couple of days ago, there is no doubt it has now plummeted. I would be absolutely blown away if I get any offers that pique my interest. But I'm sure people will come fishing.
 
Lance may eventually be a good QB, but the 49ers should have never traded three 1st round picks for him. They could have drafted Fields with their original 1st rounder. :thumbdown:

They had pick #12 overall, and Chicago took Fields at 11.

Also, they took good looks at both Fields and Lance, they liked what they saw more in Lance than Fields. It's easy to say coulda shoulda but it doesn't change anything.
You're right about Fields but Lance still wasn't/isn't worth what the 49ers paid for him.
I heard SF originally were gunning for Mac Jones.

src https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/4...-due-public-pressure-rodney-harrison-believes

^yadda yadda^ Mac Jones did not have a good 'pro day' and they would have looked dumb to trade up for someone they could have got w/o moving up.

Interesting to think though that Trey was Plan B and maybe Jimmy G plays more like Mac Jones.

I dont believe for a second that they thought about taking Mac, regardless of draft position. IMO Kyle has wanted a hybrid QB like RGIII, Jamar, etc for years. Rodney Harrisons opinion doesn't hold any weight for me.

Doesn't really matter, it's all speculation anyway

I dunno, there's been a lot of reporting that Shanahan wanted Jones and got talked into Lance by Lynch and a couple others. This was coming out before Mac Jones played a snap. Including by NFL people that claim they have high up sources in the building.

But you don't need those sources. Mac Jones is a Shanahan QB. All of Shanahan's QBs have been high-IQ, on-rhythm throwers in the Brady mold than the Jackson or Josh Allen mold.

We know he loves Kirk Cousins. He's had Hoyer, Garropolo, Matt Ryan - and look at his backups in SF, guys like Mullens and Beathard. With the exception of Matt Ryan these are all guys he picked. And they all fit the same mold.
 
As a selfish dynasty owner, could SF please hurry up and put him on IR already? I'd rather not have to drop someone else from my roster in order to bid on Jimmy or another QB.
 
San Fran has to decide on the fifth year option after that third year of the player, correct? So they’ll get to decide how to move forward with him (or not) after next season?
 

49ers QB Trey Lance could make full recovery within 10 to 12 weeks, says surgeon​


This begs the question...If Lance is healthy before the end of the season, do they hold him out til next season, or does he get his starting job back? Interesting to think about.



Foot and ankle surgeon Dr. Kenneth Jung, a consultant to the Los Angeles Rams, believes Lance could be fully healed within 10 to 12 weeks. Assuming the lengthier estimated recovery time, that might make him available after Week 14. However, the shorter estimate could mean Lance is healthy after Week 12.

"There could be a lot of non-medical factors that are playing a part in shutting him down — protecting their investment in the future," Jung told Eric Branch of the San Francisco Chronicle. "But usually, this injury is about 10 to 12 weeks."
 
Have no idea why they would bring him back this season.
Because he has only played a handful of games of football the last 5 years.

You should want him to have game action.
Even if Lance did somehow come back in, say, 10 weeks, I don't see how they would throw him in at that point unless the team were hopelessly out of the playoffs - which seems highly unlikely. Or if Jimmy himself got hurt. Lance is assuredly going to have to wait until 2023 to get back on the field and see actual game action.
 

Speaking Wednesday, 49ers coach Kyle Shanahan said Trey Lance is "right on schedule" in his recovery from ankle surgery.​

“I don’t think he’s running,” Shanahan said. “I know he is out of the boot, walking around well. I’m not sure exactly where he is at in that, but he’s not going real hard at it yet.” Shanahan added "I’ve not been told there’s a chance" Lance returns for the postseason. Even were Lance to get the go-ahead sometime between now and the Wild Card Round, there is a zero percent chance the 49ers would bench Jimmy Garoppolo and disrupt the offense's flow. We do still expect Lance to be the Niners' 2023 Week 1 starter.
SOURCE: Profootballtalk on NBCSports.com
Nov 23, 2022, 11:38 PM ET
 
Plan on picking Lance up at the end of the year in my deep keeper league. While he’ll still essentially be an inexperienced rookie next year coming off a major injury, it’s hard not to be intrigued by him leading an offense surrounded by CMC, Deebo, Aiuyk and Kittle.
 
Plan on picking Lance up at the end of the year in my deep keeper league. While he’ll still essentially be an inexperienced rookie next year coming off a major injury, it’s hard not to be intrigued by him leading an offense surrounded by CMC, Deebo, Aiuyk and Kittle.

Agreed...but I just have this gut feeling that TB12 ends up there to close out his career.
 
Plan on picking Lance up at the end of the year in my deep keeper league. While he’ll still essentially be an inexperienced rookie next year coming off a major injury, it’s hard not to be intrigued by him leading an offense surrounded by CMC, Deebo, Aiuyk and Kittle.

Agreed...but I just have this gut feeling that TB12 ends up there to close out his career.
I think he’s done after 2022
 

Plan on picking Lance up at the end of the year in my deep keeper league. While he’ll still essentially be an inexperienced rookie next year coming off a major injury, it’s hard not to be intrigued by him leading an offense surrounded by CMC, Deebo, Aiuyk and Kittle.

Agreed...but I just have this gut feeling that TB12 ends up there to close out his career.

For the love of God I hope not, I'd have to boycott the 49ers until he was gone.
 
Plan on picking Lance up at the end of the year in my deep keeper league. While he’ll still essentially be an inexperienced rookie next year coming off a major injury, it’s hard not to be intrigued by him leading an offense surrounded by CMC, Deebo, Aiuyk and Kittle.
SF needs to find a way to keep Jimmy G and either trade Lance or keep him as a backup. It would be completely foolish of them to throw their Superbowl window away and make the same mistake of trying to go with Lance again.
 
Plan on picking Lance up at the end of the year in my deep keeper league. While he’ll still essentially be an inexperienced rookie next year coming off a major injury, it’s hard not to be intrigued by him leading an offense surrounded by CMC, Deebo, Aiuyk and Kittle.
SF needs to find a way to keep Jimmy G and either trade Lance or keep him as a backup. It would be completely foolish of them to throw their Superbowl window away and make the same mistake of trying to go with Lance again.
Total, unadulterated gaff by SF to give up the world for an unproven project QB. If they can somehow get a Lombardi out of this whole thing, its likely their only saving grace to look decent in this mess.
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Dynasty Owner Patiently Waiting for Lance to Finally Show Something...Next Year
 
Plan on picking Lance up at the end of the year in my deep keeper league. While he’ll still essentially be an inexperienced rookie next year coming off a major injury, it’s hard not to be intrigued by him leading an offense surrounded by CMC, Deebo, Aiuyk and Kittle.
SF needs to find a way to keep Jimmy G and either trade Lance or keep him as a backup. It would be completely foolish of them to throw their Superbowl window away and make the same mistake of trying to go with Lance again.
Total, unadulterated gaff by SF to give up the world for an unproven project QB. If they can somehow get a Lombardi out of this whole thing, its likely their only saving grace to look decent in this mess.
signed,
Dynasty Owner Patiently Waiting for Lance to Finally Show Something...Next Year
There are no sure things in the QB acquisition market. They may have targeted the wrong guy but I can’t fault the broader strategy.
 
Plan on picking Lance up at the end of the year in my deep keeper league. While he’ll still essentially be an inexperienced rookie next year coming off a major injury, it’s hard not to be intrigued by him leading an offense surrounded by CMC, Deebo, Aiuyk and Kittle.

Agreed...but I just have this gut feeling that TB12 ends up there to close out his career.
I think he’s done after 2022

With Gisel gone I bet he now plays until he is 65.
 
Lance played a game in a monsoon and got hurt in the opening drive the next game. And somehow people think that’s enough to conclude he’s not the answer or was a bad pick?

Nothing has changed with Jimmy G. He’s still the player they had at QB when they decided to pay a boatload to get a more dynamic QB.

Should they win or make the SB it does complicate things but Lance can’t sit next year. He has to play and he will, for someone.
 
Lance played a game in a monsoon and got hurt in the opening drive the next game. And somehow people think that’s enough to conclude he’s not the answer or was a bad pick?

Nothing has changed with Jimmy G. He’s still the player they had at QB when they decided to pay a boatload to get a more dynamic QB.

Should they win or make the SB it does complicate things but Lance can’t sit next year. He has to play and he will, for someone.

Completely agree with this. Someone said above why throw away a super bowl window ? Not necessarily the case if you have a good coach, D and offensive weapons. Eagles will feel they have a chance with Hurts this year, Ravens with Lamar ever since they started him, why not Lance if the 9ers believe in him ? By all accounts he ticks all the boxes off the field with smarts, work ethic etc etc
 
Lance played a game in a monsoon and got hurt in the opening drive the next game. And somehow people think that’s enough to conclude he’s not the answer or was a bad pick?

Nothing has changed with Jimmy G. He’s still the player they had at QB when they decided to pay a boatload to get a more dynamic QB.

Should they win or make the SB it does complicate things but Lance can’t sit next year. He has to play and he will, for someone.
I’d be willing to bet they, at minimum, bring in a competent veteran that Lance will have to beat out. I don’t think they’ll roll out Lance/Purdy with the rest of this win-now roster.
 
Lance played a game in a monsoon and got hurt in the opening drive the next game. And somehow people think that’s enough to conclude he’s not the answer or was a bad pick?

Nothing has changed with Jimmy G. He’s still the player they had at QB when they decided to pay a boatload to get a more dynamic QB.

Should they win or make the SB it does complicate things but Lance can’t sit next year. He has to play and he will, for someone.
I’d be willing to bet they, at minimum, bring in a competent veteran that Lance will have to beat out. I don’t think they’ll roll out Lance/Purdy with the rest of this win-now roster.
Why would they go away from JG? Lance could sit another year. I have Lance in a couple of leagues but I’m being practical.
 
Lance played a game in a monsoon and got hurt in the opening drive the next game. And somehow people think that’s enough to conclude he’s not the answer or was a bad pick?

Nothing has changed with Jimmy G. He’s still the player they had at QB when they decided to pay a boatload to get a more dynamic QB.

Should they win or make the SB it does complicate things but Lance can’t sit next year. He has to play and he will, for someone.
I’d be willing to bet they, at minimum, bring in a competent veteran that Lance will have to beat out. I don’t think they’ll roll out Lance/Purdy with the rest of this win-now roster.
Why would they go away from JG? Lance could sit another year. I have Lance in a couple of leagues but I’m being practical.
If his market is as soft this year as it was last year, maybe. But he may get another $25 million+ multi year deal and I don’t think SF will carry that.
 
Lance played a game in a monsoon and got hurt in the opening drive the next game. And somehow people think that’s enough to conclude he’s not the answer or was a bad pick?

Nothing has changed with Jimmy G. He’s still the player they had at QB when they decided to pay a boatload to get a more dynamic QB.

Should they win or make the SB it does complicate things but Lance can’t sit next year. He has to play and he will, for someone.
I’d be willing to bet they, at minimum, bring in a competent veteran that Lance will have to beat out. I don’t think they’ll roll out Lance/Purdy with the rest of this win-now roster.
Why would they go away from JG? Lance could sit another year. I have Lance in a couple of leagues but I’m being practical.
If his market is as soft this year as it was last year, maybe. But he may get another $25 million+ multi year deal and I don’t think SF will carry that.
Not with the pressure of their investment in Lance sitting on the bench, no - I agree.

If they win the superbowl there will be pressure to run it back. Short of that, I expect JimmyG to be playing elsewhere next season.
 
Lance played a game in a monsoon and got hurt in the opening drive the next game. And somehow people think that’s enough to conclude he’s not the answer or was a bad pick?

Nothing has changed with Jimmy G. He’s still the player they had at QB when they decided to pay a boatload to get a more dynamic QB.

Should they win or make the SB it does complicate things but Lance can’t sit next year. He has to play and he will, for someone.
I’d be willing to bet they, at minimum, bring in a competent veteran that Lance will have to beat out. I don’t think they’ll roll out Lance/Purdy with the rest of this win-now roster.
I'd be willing to bet against that. Lance won't be in a competition. It's either his job or it's not.
 
Lance could sit another year
He has to play. He's played to little football in his career to sit out another season.
How long did Rodgers sit?
How much did Rogers play in college?
Come on man
No one is joking here.

In Trey Lance's entire college, pro and hell we'll even throw in his high school career he's attempted a grand total of 519 passes. Think about that.

When the 2023 season begins Trey Lance will have started 5 football games since 2019 and will have attempted a grand total of 132 passes since 2019.

There is no way he is can sit another year. It will not happen.
 
Lance could sit another year
He has to play. He's played to little football in his career to sit out another season.
How long did Rodgers sit?
How much did Rogers play in college?
Come on man
No one is joking here.

In Trey Lance's entire college, pro and hell we'll even throw in his high school career he's attempted a grand total of 519 passes. Think about that.

When the 2023 season begins Trey Lance will have started 5 football games since 2019 and will have attempted a grand total of 132 passes since 2019.

There is no way he is can sit another year. It will not happen.
I hope you’re right.
 
Lance could sit another year
He has to play. He's played to little football in his career to sit out another season.
How long did Rodgers sit?
How much did Rogers play in college?
Come on man
No one is joking here.

In Trey Lance's entire college, pro and hell we'll even throw in his high school career he's attempted a grand total of 519 passes. Think about that.

When the 2023 season begins Trey Lance will have started 5 football games since 2019 and will have attempted a grand total of 132 passes since 2019.

There is no way he is can sit another year. It will not happen.
All that is exactly why they aren’t going to blindly turn over the keys to a Super Bowl contender to him.
 
Lance could sit another year
He has to play. He's played to little football in his career to sit out another season.
How long did Rodgers sit?
How much did Rogers play in college?
Come on man
No one is joking here.

In Trey Lance's entire college, pro and hell we'll even throw in his high school career he's attempted a grand total of 519 passes. Think about that.

When the 2023 season begins Trey Lance will have started 5 football games since 2019 and will have attempted a grand total of 132 passes since 2019.

There is no way he is can sit another year. It will not happen.
All that is exactly why they aren’t going to blindly turn over the keys to a Super Bowl contender to him.
The problem with your rationale is that they already did what you are saying they won't do. He just got injured.
 
Lance could sit another year
He has to play. He's played to little football in his career to sit out another season.
How long did Rodgers sit?
How much did Rogers play in college?
Come on man
No one is joking here.

In Trey Lance's entire college, pro and hell we'll even throw in his high school career he's attempted a grand total of 519 passes. Think about that.

When the 2023 season begins Trey Lance will have started 5 football games since 2019 and will have attempted a grand total of 132 passes since 2019.

There is no way he is can sit another year. It will not happen.
All that is exactly why they aren’t going to blindly turn over the keys to a Super Bowl contender to him.

This team is built to win now...they did not trade for CMac for the future...IMO if they win it this year it is easier because you can let Jimmy walk (he is gone no matter what IMO), go with Lance and all is good...if they don't win it things get dicey because while Lance needs to play the Niners are in absolute win now mode...will be real interesting to watch this unfold and I am 100% serious that if the Niners don't win it this year than the TB12 rumors will be front and center...it is a perfect match for many reasons on both sides and it may be the one way you can justify having Lance sit another year without killing the kids psyche...other than that they go with Lance and bring in a quality vet that they can win with if Lance gets overwhelmed.
 
Of course, we’re saying all this with the assumption that Lance will be 100% healthy. For a guy that relies so much on his legs, any loss of explosiveness/cutting ability is going to be a major impediment to his game.
 
Lance played a game in a monsoon and got hurt in the opening drive the next game. And somehow people think that’s enough to conclude he’s not the answer or was a bad pick?

Nothing has changed with Jimmy G. He’s still the player they had at QB when they decided to pay a boatload to get a more dynamic QB.

Should they win or make the SB it does complicate things but Lance can’t sit next year. He has to play and he will, for someone.
I’d be willing to bet they, at minimum, bring in a competent veteran that Lance will have to beat out. I don’t think they’ll roll out Lance/Purdy with the rest of this win-now roster.
I'd be willing to bet against that. Lance won't be in a competition. It's either his job or it's not.
Agreed
 

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