QB Trey Lance, LAC (2 Viewers)

[IHEARTFF]

49ers' Trey Lance posts cryptic Instagram message immediately after Titans hire new general manager

That's pretty interesting. If the drafting of Lance was driven more by management than by Shanahan, it's not a stretch to connect the dots to the Titans.

Titans 1.11 for Lance seems like a fair deal that both teams would take.

 

[thecatch]

gotta admit as a Lance owner im definitely not feeling good about his prospects with SF....the further they go the less optimistic I get. At best I see a camp competition and even if Lance wins Purdy will be a bad game or 2 away from replacing him. Im not counting on him for 2023 at this point

I own him everywhere and I feel the same

x3

What's baffling is that Lance seems to be the antithesis of Jimmy G and Purdy, with the latter two pocket passers with sharp accuracy that get the ball into their playmakers' hands and let them do the rest. On the contrary, Lance is a dynamo athlete that can create yards on his own, but clearly with accuracy issues.

Jimmy G and Purdy clearly fit that offense to a T. The only rationale reason to go away from that is the investment in Lance, but even if Purdy was the starter and Lance had to step in, the whole offensive scheme would change. Hard to imagine Shanahan would want to alter his offense to suit Lance, but he's the genius, not us.

Couldn't agree with this more. Lance doesn't seem to fit the way they are built. He has not shown to be accurate nor a person that progresses through reads well. He's built to run and dance around in the pocket and throw it deep.

1. You guys are being unfair to Lance. He’s raw and needs development. His talents are such that he was mostly competent in his handful of starts even without much experience or refinement. He may turn out to suck but you can’t possibly write him off at this point.
2. The cap hit the Niners would take for trading him is big enough that it would really have to be an overwhelming offer to justify trading him. Plus, the Niners have demonstrated the need to have competent QB depth. It seems super unlikely to me that the Niners both get a great offer and add someone else they’d be comfortable with as a backup this offseason.

 

[Wingnut]

1. You guys are being unfair to Lance. He’s raw and needs development. His talents are such that he was mostly competent in his handful of starts even without much experience or refinement. He may turn out to suck but you can’t possibly write him off at this point.
2. The cap hit the Niners would take for trading him is big enough that it would really have to be an overwhelming offer to justify trading him. Plus, the Niners have demonstrated the need to have competent QB depth. It seems super unlikely to me that the Niners both get a great offer and add someone else they’d be comfortable with as a backup this offseason.

1. All of this is 100%. People saying they know Trey will be this or that at this point is just trying to justify their own opinions.

2. Why people don't get this is mind boggling. Anyone that thinks SF would get anything near a first rouder is fooling themselves. Besides that, it would be a bad business decision to move Lance before they know what they have and while on his rookie deal. He's not going anywhere.

 

[kface]

gotta admit as a Lance owner im definitely not feeling good about his prospects with SF....the further they go the less optimistic I get. At best I see a camp competition and even if Lance wins Purdy will be a bad game or 2 away from replacing him. Im not counting on him for 2023 at this point

I own him everywhere and I feel the same

x3

What's baffling is that Lance seems to be the antithesis of Jimmy G and Purdy, with the latter two pocket passers with sharp accuracy that get the ball into their playmakers' hands and let them do the rest. On the contrary, Lance is a dynamo athlete that can create yards on his own, but clearly with accuracy issues.

Jimmy G and Purdy clearly fit that offense to a T. The only rationale reason to go away from that is the investment in Lance, but even if Purdy was the starter and Lance had to step in, the whole offensive scheme would change. Hard to imagine Shanahan would want to alter his offense to suit Lance, but he's the genius, not us.

Couldn't agree with this more. Lance doesn't seem to fit the way they are built. He has not shown to be accurate nor a person that progresses through reads well. He's built to run and dance around in the pocket and throw it deep.

1. You guys are being unfair to Lance. He’s raw and needs development. His talents are such that he was mostly competent in his handful of starts even without much experience or refinement. He may turn out to suck but you can’t possibly write him off at this point.
2. The cap hit the Niners would take for trading him is big enough that it would really have to be an overwhelming offer to justify trading him. Plus, the Niners have demonstrated the need to have competent QB depth. It seems super unlikely to me that the Niners both get a great offer and add someone else they’d be comfortable with as a backup this offseason.

He's raw but even in his limited experience he is not a qb that has been built to make quick reads on complex route trees and going through his progression. His success is his feet and his big arm. That's not an unfair assessment

Can the 49ers change the way they scheme to fit his skills more - absolutely. In the few games this year it almost looked like they were going to do just that. 49ers could move from a more complex offense to more of a lamar jackson scheme with one read and run.

 

[IHEARTFF]

1. You guys are being unfair to Lance. He’s raw and needs development. His talents are such that he was mostly competent in his handful of starts even without much experience or refinement. He may turn out to suck but you can’t possibly write him off at this point.
2. The cap hit the Niners would take for trading him is big enough that it would really have to be an overwhelming offer to justify trading him. Plus, the Niners have demonstrated the need to have competent QB depth. It seems super unlikely to me that the Niners both get a great offer and add someone else they’d be comfortable with as a backup this offseason.

1. All of this is 100%. People saying they know Trey will be this or that at this point is just trying to justify their own opinions.

2. Why people don't get this is mind boggling. Anyone that thinks SF would get anything near a first rouder is fooling themselves. Besides that, it would be a bad business decision to move Lance before they know what they have and while on his rookie deal. He's not going anywhere.

I think a first is fair. You get a cost controlled high talented player for 3 years. Maybe I am wrong. What is a fair pick value that would cause him to be traded?

 

[Wingnut]

1. You guys are being unfair to Lance. He’s raw and needs development. His talents are such that he was mostly competent in his handful of starts even without much experience or refinement. He may turn out to suck but you can’t possibly write him off at this point.
2. The cap hit the Niners would take for trading him is big enough that it would really have to be an overwhelming offer to justify trading him. Plus, the Niners have demonstrated the need to have competent QB depth. It seems super unlikely to me that the Niners both get a great offer and add someone else they’d be comfortable with as a backup this offseason.

1. All of this is 100%. People saying they know Trey will be this or that at this point is just trying to justify their own opinions.

2. Why people don't get this is mind boggling. Anyone that thinks SF would get anything near a first rouder is fooling themselves. Besides that, it would be a bad business decision to move Lance before they know what they have and while on his rookie deal. He's not going anywhere.

I think a first is fair. You get a cost controlled high talented player for 3 years. Maybe I am wrong. What is a fair pick value that would cause him to be traded?

I have no idea what kind of compensation SF would want, but they're not gonna shop him and I doubt any teams call about him.

 

[JohnnyU]

1. You guys are being unfair to Lance. He’s raw and needs development. His talents are such that he was mostly competent in his handful of starts even without much experience or refinement. He may turn out to suck but you can’t possibly write him off at this point.
2. The cap hit the Niners would take for trading him is big enough that it would really have to be an overwhelming offer to justify trading him. Plus, the Niners have demonstrated the need to have competent QB depth. It seems super unlikely to me that the Niners both get a great offer and add someone else they’d be comfortable with as a backup this offseason.

1. All of this is 100%. People saying they know Trey will be this or that at this point is just trying to justify their own opinions.

2. Why people don't get this is mind boggling. Anyone that thinks SF would get anything near a first rouder is fooling themselves. Besides that, it would be a bad business decision to move Lance before they know what they have and while on his rookie deal. He's not going anywhere.

I think a first is fair. You get a cost controlled high talented player for 3 years. Maybe I am wrong. What is a fair pick value that would cause him to be traded?

I have no idea what kind of compensation SF would want, but they're not gonna shop him and I doubt any teams call about him.

If you're Ballard and you believe in Lance, the Colts should offer a 2024 1st for him. Their #4 is too much IMO. Not saying next year's won't be top 5 also, but maybe you take the chance. Or the Colts could offer something less for Jordan Love.

 

[thecatch]

gotta admit as a Lance owner im definitely not feeling good about his prospects with SF....the further they go the less optimistic I get. At best I see a camp competition and even if Lance wins Purdy will be a bad game or 2 away from replacing him. Im not counting on him for 2023 at this point

I own him everywhere and I feel the same

x3

What's baffling is that Lance seems to be the antithesis of Jimmy G and Purdy, with the latter two pocket passers with sharp accuracy that get the ball into their playmakers' hands and let them do the rest. On the contrary, Lance is a dynamo athlete that can create yards on his own, but clearly with accuracy issues.

Jimmy G and Purdy clearly fit that offense to a T. The only rationale reason to go away from that is the investment in Lance, but even if Purdy was the starter and Lance had to step in, the whole offensive scheme would change. Hard to imagine Shanahan would want to alter his offense to suit Lance, but he's the genius, not us.

Couldn't agree with this more. Lance doesn't seem to fit the way they are built. He has not shown to be accurate nor a person that progresses through reads well. He's built to run and dance around in the pocket and throw it deep.

1. You guys are being unfair to Lance. He’s raw and needs development. His talents are such that he was mostly competent in his handful of starts even without much experience or refinement. He may turn out to suck but you can’t possibly write him off at this point.
2. The cap hit the Niners would take for trading him is big enough that it would really have to be an overwhelming offer to justify trading him. Plus, the Niners have demonstrated the need to have competent QB depth. It seems super unlikely to me that the Niners both get a great offer and add someone else they’d be comfortable with as a backup this offseason.

He's raw but even in his limited experience he is not a qb that has been built to make quick reads on complex route trees and going through his progression. His success is his feet and his big arm. That's not an unfair assessment

Can the 49ers change the way they scheme to fit his skills more - absolutely. In the few games this year it almost looked like they were going to do just that. 49ers could move from a more complex offense to more of a lamar jackson scheme with one read and run.

I agree his field vision and decision making aren’t great at the moment, but those aren’t immutable characteristics for someone his age. I think he’s got much higher upside as a passer and much lower upside as a runner relative to Lamar, so I don’t agree with that comp at all.

 

[kface]

gotta admit as a Lance owner im definitely not feeling good about his prospects with SF....the further they go the less optimistic I get. At best I see a camp competition and even if Lance wins Purdy will be a bad game or 2 away from replacing him. Im not counting on him for 2023 at this point

I own him everywhere and I feel the same

x3

What's baffling is that Lance seems to be the antithesis of Jimmy G and Purdy, with the latter two pocket passers with sharp accuracy that get the ball into their playmakers' hands and let them do the rest. On the contrary, Lance is a dynamo athlete that can create yards on his own, but clearly with accuracy issues.

Jimmy G and Purdy clearly fit that offense to a T. The only rationale reason to go away from that is the investment in Lance, but even if Purdy was the starter and Lance had to step in, the whole offensive scheme would change. Hard to imagine Shanahan would want to alter his offense to suit Lance, but he's the genius, not us.

Couldn't agree with this more. Lance doesn't seem to fit the way they are built. He has not shown to be accurate nor a person that progresses through reads well. He's built to run and dance around in the pocket and throw it deep.

1. You guys are being unfair to Lance. He’s raw and needs development. His talents are such that he was mostly competent in his handful of starts even without much experience or refinement. He may turn out to suck but you can’t possibly write him off at this point.
2. The cap hit the Niners would take for trading him is big enough that it would really have to be an overwhelming offer to justify trading him. Plus, the Niners have demonstrated the need to have competent QB depth. It seems super unlikely to me that the Niners both get a great offer and add someone else they’d be comfortable with as a backup this offseason.

He's raw but even in his limited experience he is not a qb that has been built to make quick reads on complex route trees and going through his progression. His success is his feet and his big arm. That's not an unfair assessment

Can the 49ers change the way they scheme to fit his skills more - absolutely. In the few games this year it almost looked like they were going to do just that. 49ers could move from a more complex offense to more of a lamar jackson scheme with one read and run.

I agree his field vision and decision making aren’t great at the moment, but those aren’t immutable characteristics for someone his age. I think he’s got much higher upside as a passer and much lower upside as a runner relative to Lamar, so I don’t agree with that comp at all.

I didn't compare him with Lamar just said he was more suited to a Lamar system at this point where it's one read and run

He certainly may grow to be a much more complex qb but most don't change their stripes too much. At this point he can barely even take the field to start making those changes. 3 years out of the game is a lot of time...

 

[thecatch]

gotta admit as a Lance owner im definitely not feeling good about his prospects with SF....the further they go the less optimistic I get. At best I see a camp competition and even if Lance wins Purdy will be a bad game or 2 away from replacing him. Im not counting on him for 2023 at this point

I own him everywhere and I feel the same

x3

What's baffling is that Lance seems to be the antithesis of Jimmy G and Purdy, with the latter two pocket passers with sharp accuracy that get the ball into their playmakers' hands and let them do the rest. On the contrary, Lance is a dynamo athlete that can create yards on his own, but clearly with accuracy issues.

Jimmy G and Purdy clearly fit that offense to a T. The only rationale reason to go away from that is the investment in Lance, but even if Purdy was the starter and Lance had to step in, the whole offensive scheme would change. Hard to imagine Shanahan would want to alter his offense to suit Lance, but he's the genius, not us.

Couldn't agree with this more. Lance doesn't seem to fit the way they are built. He has not shown to be accurate nor a person that progresses through reads well. He's built to run and dance around in the pocket and throw it deep.

1. You guys are being unfair to Lance. He’s raw and needs development. His talents are such that he was mostly competent in his handful of starts even without much experience or refinement. He may turn out to suck but you can’t possibly write him off at this point.
2. The cap hit the Niners would take for trading him is big enough that it would really have to be an overwhelming offer to justify trading him. Plus, the Niners have demonstrated the need to have competent QB depth. It seems super unlikely to me that the Niners both get a great offer and add someone else they’d be comfortable with as a backup this offseason.

He's raw but even in his limited experience he is not a qb that has been built to make quick reads on complex route trees and going through his progression. His success is his feet and his big arm. That's not an unfair assessment

Can the 49ers change the way they scheme to fit his skills more - absolutely. In the few games this year it almost looked like they were going to do just that. 49ers could move from a more complex offense to more of a lamar jackson scheme with one read and run.

I agree his field vision and decision making aren’t great at the moment, but those aren’t immutable characteristics for someone his age. I think he’s got much higher upside as a passer and much lower upside as a runner relative to Lamar, so I don’t agree with that comp at all.

I didn't compare him with Lamar just said he was more suited to a Lamar system at this point where it's one read and run

He certainly may grow to be a much more complex qb but most don't change their stripes too much. At this point he can barely even take the field to start making those changes. 3 years out of the game is a lot of time...

I disagree he is a one read and run guy - he’s looked better than that to me. But if that’s all he is, he will stink, because he’s not a good NFL runner.

 

[Sam Quentin]

49ers' Trey Lance posts cryptic Instagram message immediately after Titans hire new general manager

That's pretty interesting. If the drafting of Lance was driven more by management than by Shanahan, it's not a stretch to connect the dots to the Titans.

Titans 1.11 for Lance seems like a fair deal that both teams would take.

Are you high?

3rd rounder at best

 

[Chaka]

49ers' Trey Lance posts cryptic Instagram message immediately after Titans hire new general manager

That's pretty interesting. If the drafting of Lance was driven more by management than by Shanahan, it's not a stretch to connect the dots to the Titans.

Titans 1.11 for Lance seems like a fair deal that both teams would take.

Are you high?

3rd rounder at best

Nonsense

 

[JoeJoe88]

49ers' Trey Lance posts cryptic Instagram message immediately after Titans hire new general manager

That's pretty interesting. If the drafting of Lance was driven more by management than by Shanahan, it's not a stretch to connect the dots to the Titans.

Titans 1.11 for Lance seems like a fair deal that both teams would take.

Are you high?

3rd rounder at best

They are not going to bother moving him for a 3rd rounder.

They would get better offers than that, anyway. He’s played 5 games. Y’all act like we’ve seen a full season of him being terrible like Zach Wilson.

 

[farfromforgotten]

49ers' Trey Lance posts cryptic Instagram message immediately after Titans hire new general manager

That's pretty interesting. If the drafting of Lance was driven more by management than by Shanahan, it's not a stretch to connect the dots to the Titans.

Titans 1.11 for Lance seems like a fair deal that both teams would take.

Are you high?

3rd rounder at best

I think you are closer to being sent for the random in this case, Sam.

 

[-OZ-]

1. You guys are being unfair to Lance. He’s raw and needs development. His talents are such that he was mostly competent in his handful of starts even without much experience or refinement. He may turn out to suck but you can’t possibly write him off at this point.
2. The cap hit the Niners would take for trading him is big enough that it would really have to be an overwhelming offer to justify trading him. Plus, the Niners have demonstrated the need to have competent QB depth. It seems super unlikely to me that the Niners both get a great offer and add someone else they’d be comfortable with as a backup this offseason.

1. All of this is 100%. People saying they know Trey will be this or that at this point is just trying to justify their own opinions.

2. Why people don't get this is mind boggling. Anyone that thinks SF would get anything near a first rouder is fooling themselves. Besides that, it would be a bad business decision to move Lance before they know what they have and while on his rookie deal. He's not going anywhere.

I think a first is fair. You get a cost controlled high talented player for 3 years. Maybe I am wrong. What is a fair pick value that would cause him to be traded?

Conditional 2024 pick. I don’t see the titans trading the 11 for him when the team needs lines up well with the players who project to be available. I’d rather have Paris Johnson and keep tannehill.
Make it a conditional pick likely to be a 2 but could move to a 1 if the titans make the playoffs and he starts 9 games, or something else. I’m sure our new GM can work something out.

 

[Boston]

1. You guys are being unfair to Lance. He’s raw and needs development. His talents are such that he was mostly competent in his handful of starts even without much experience or refinement. He may turn out to suck but you can’t possibly write him off at this point.
2. The cap hit the Niners would take for trading him is big enough that it would really have to be an overwhelming offer to justify trading him. Plus, the Niners have demonstrated the need to have competent QB depth. It seems super unlikely to me that the Niners both get a great offer and add someone else they’d be comfortable with as a backup this offseason.

1. All of this is 100%. People saying they know Trey will be this or that at this point is just trying to justify their own opinions.

2. Why people don't get this is mind boggling. Anyone that thinks SF would get anything near a first rouder is fooling themselves. Besides that, it would be a bad business decision to move Lance before they know what they have and while on his rookie deal. He's not going anywhere.

I think a first is fair. You get a cost controlled high talented player for 3 years. Maybe I am wrong. What is a fair pick value that would cause him to be traded?

Conditional 2024 pick. I don’t see the titans trading the 11 for him when the team needs lines up well with the players who project to be available. I’d rather have Paris Johnson and keep tannehill.
Make it a conditional pick likely to be a 2 but could move to a 1 if the titans make the playoffs and he starts 9 games, or something else. I’m sure our new GM can work something out.

Why would the Niners do that...they would be better off keeping Lance and continue developing him just in-case Purdy takes a step backwards or gets injured.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Having two young promising quarterbacks is not a problem that teams are going to rush to rid themselves of quickly or irrationally. Especially true when one was heavily invested in and has not had an opportunity to show if he was who they thought he would be as of yet. I could see the Niners playing both guys next year with the rhetoric of easing Lance back into action and utilizing his legs in particular packages. Maybe not seen as optimal but I doubt they decide to take a loss on Lance at this stage.

 

[Boston]

Having two young promising quarterbacks is not a problem that teams are going to rush to rid themselves of quickly or irrationally. Especially true when one was heavily invested in and has not had an opportunity to show if he was who they thought he would be as of yet. I could see the Niners playing both guys next year with the rhetoric of easing Lance back into action and utilizing his legs in particular packages. Maybe not seen as optimal but I doubt they decide to take a loss on Lance at this stage.

And as good as Purdy looks he is still a little bit of a Cinderella story right now...would not be a bad idea to have a Plan B just in-case...this is not what the Niners had in mind when they gave up three #1's but it appears to have all worked out.

 

[-OZ-]

1. You guys are being unfair to Lance. He’s raw and needs development. His talents are such that he was mostly competent in his handful of starts even without much experience or refinement. He may turn out to suck but you can’t possibly write him off at this point.
2. The cap hit the Niners would take for trading him is big enough that it would really have to be an overwhelming offer to justify trading him. Plus, the Niners have demonstrated the need to have competent QB depth. It seems super unlikely to me that the Niners both get a great offer and add someone else they’d be comfortable with as a backup this offseason.

1. All of this is 100%. People saying they know Trey will be this or that at this point is just trying to justify their own opinions.

2. Why people don't get this is mind boggling. Anyone that thinks SF would get anything near a first rouder is fooling themselves. Besides that, it would be a bad business decision to move Lance before they know what they have and while on his rookie deal. He's not going anywhere.

I think a first is fair. You get a cost controlled high talented player for 3 years. Maybe I am wrong. What is a fair pick value that would cause him to be traded?

Conditional 2024 pick. I don’t see the titans trading the 11 for him when the team needs lines up well with the players who project to be available. I’d rather have Paris Johnson and keep tannehill.
Make it a conditional pick likely to be a 2 but could move to a 1 if the titans make the playoffs and he starts 9 games, or something else. I’m sure our new GM can work something out.

Why would the Niners do that...they would be better off keeping Lance and continue developing him just in-case Purdy takes a step backwards or gets injured.

They probably won’t. I don’t think they trade Lance anyway. But the titans definitely shouldn’t give more.

 

[JohnnyU]

1. You guys are being unfair to Lance. He’s raw and needs development. His talents are such that he was mostly competent in his handful of starts even without much experience or refinement. He may turn out to suck but you can’t possibly write him off at this point.
2. The cap hit the Niners would take for trading him is big enough that it would really have to be an overwhelming offer to justify trading him. Plus, the Niners have demonstrated the need to have competent QB depth. It seems super unlikely to me that the Niners both get a great offer and add someone else they’d be comfortable with as a backup this offseason.

1. All of this is 100%. People saying they know Trey will be this or that at this point is just trying to justify their own opinions.

2. Why people don't get this is mind boggling. Anyone that thinks SF would get anything near a first rouder is fooling themselves. Besides that, it would be a bad business decision to move Lance before they know what they have and while on his rookie deal. He's not going anywhere.

I think a first is fair. You get a cost controlled high talented player for 3 years. Maybe I am wrong. What is a fair pick value that would cause him to be traded?

Conditional 2024 pick. I don’t see the titans trading the 11 for him when the team needs lines up well with the players who project to be available. I’d rather have Paris Johnson and keep tannehill.
Make it a conditional pick likely to be a 2 but could move to a 1 if the titans make the playoffs and he starts 9 games, or something else. I’m sure our new GM can work something out.

Why would the Niners do that...they would be better off keeping Lance and continue developing him just in-case Purdy takes a step backwards or gets injured.

They probably won’t. I don’t think they trade Lance anyway. But the titans definitely shouldn’t give more.

3rd rounder? ridiculous. He got injured, he didn't Zach Wilson us.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

based on what, 12 or so quarters of football

that seems to be a major part of the equation.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

You get a cost controlled high talented player for 3 years

The fifth year option isn't all that cost controlled - and the guy hasn't played in 4 years, so one of those years is going to most likely be a learning year. I don't see how anyone can give up a first (maybe late).

 

[-OZ-]

1. You guys are being unfair to Lance. He’s raw and needs development. His talents are such that he was mostly competent in his handful of starts even without much experience or refinement. He may turn out to suck but you can’t possibly write him off at this point.
2. The cap hit the Niners would take for trading him is big enough that it would really have to be an overwhelming offer to justify trading him. Plus, the Niners have demonstrated the need to have competent QB depth. It seems super unlikely to me that the Niners both get a great offer and add someone else they’d be comfortable with as a backup this offseason.

1. All of this is 100%. People saying they know Trey will be this or that at this point is just trying to justify their own opinions.

2. Why people don't get this is mind boggling. Anyone that thinks SF would get anything near a first rouder is fooling themselves. Besides that, it would be a bad business decision to move Lance before they know what they have and while on his rookie deal. He's not going anywhere.

I think a first is fair. You get a cost controlled high talented player for 3 years. Maybe I am wrong. What is a fair pick value that would cause him to be traded?

Conditional 2024 pick. I don’t see the titans trading the 11 for him when the team needs lines up well with the players who project to be available. I’d rather have Paris Johnson and keep tannehill.
Make it a conditional pick likely to be a 2 but could move to a 1 if the titans make the playoffs and he starts 9 games, or something else. I’m sure our new GM can work something out.

Why would the Niners do that...they would be better off keeping Lance and continue developing him just in-case Purdy takes a step backwards or gets injured.

They probably won’t. I don’t think they trade Lance anyway. But the titans definitely shouldn’t give more.

3rd rounder? ridiculous. He got injured, he didn't Zach Wilson us.

I didn’t say third.
My view here is solely for the Titans. They shouldn’t give more than a 2 or a conditional pick that can become a 1. Not the 1.11.

Other teams might be in a better position to give more. Vegas might be able to do something. Washington giving the 16 might make sense.

But yeah, keeping Lance makes the most sense. But then I was on board with then keeping Jimmy G last off season.

 

[Anarchy99]

I don't think anyone really knows what Lance's long-term potential (or trade value) really is. He's thrown 102 passes in the NFL and had 318 passes in college = 420 total passes in 5 years. Tom Brady had more than that in 8 games this season.

Purdy has been a surprise, very efficient, and hasn't needed to do too much. But I think at some point he will face more adversity and probably will have times when he looks like a 7th round rookie. Teams should start to be able to identify his tendencies, dissect more film, and figure out more ways to disrupt and confuse him compared to the way things have gone so far. IIRC, the only game the Niners were behind when Purdy was played was the Raiders game. Things have gone SF's way so far . . . let's see what happens if things don't go as smoothly.

At this stage, SF probably can't fully rely on Lance or Purdy moving forward just yet. Lance hasn't played enough and has been injured. Purdy has looked very good, but guys like Foles, Rush, Huntley, Brissett, Rudolph, Zappe, etc. have stepped in and done well in short stints, but that doesn't necessarily mean they should be regular starters. Back in the day, Mike Kruczek won his 6 first starts and never won another game (and only made 1 more start in his career).

 

[thecatch]

Purdy has been a surprise, very efficient, and hasn't needed to do too much. But I think at some point he will face more adversity and probably will have times when he looks like a 7th round rookie. Teams should start to be able to identify his tendencies, dissect more film, and figure out more ways to disrupt and confuse him compared to the way things have gone so far. IIRC, the only game the Niners were behind when Purdy was played was the Raiders game. Things have gone SF's way so far . . . let's see what happens if things don't go as smoothly.

At this stage, SF probably can't fully rely on Lance or Purdy moving forward just yet. Lance hasn't played enough and has been injured. Purdy has looked very good, but guys like Foles, Rush, Huntley, Brissett, Rudolph, Zappe, etc. have stepped in and done well in short stints, but that doesn't necessarily mean they should be regular starters. Back in the day, Mike Kruczek won his 6 first starts and never won another game (and only made 1 more start in his career).

You might be right that Purdy regresses but c'mon with some of those comps. Kruczek won one of those games throwing two (2) passes and three more times throwing 7 times or less.

 

[Anarchy99]

Purdy has been a surprise, very efficient, and hasn't needed to do too much. But I think at some point he will face more adversity and probably will have times when he looks like a 7th round rookie. Teams should start to be able to identify his tendencies, dissect more film, and figure out more ways to disrupt and confuse him compared to the way things have gone so far. IIRC, the only game the Niners were behind when Purdy was played was the Raiders game. Things have gone SF's way so far . . . let's see what happens if things don't go as smoothly.

At this stage, SF probably can't fully rely on Lance or Purdy moving forward just yet. Lance hasn't played enough and has been injured. Purdy has looked very good, but guys like Foles, Rush, Huntley, Brissett, Rudolph, Zappe, etc. have stepped in and done well in short stints, but that doesn't necessarily mean they should be regular starters. Back in the day, Mike Kruczek won his 6 first starts and never won another game (and only made 1 more start in his career).

You might be right that Purdy regresses but c'mon with some of those comps. Kruczek won one of those games throwing two (2) passes and three more times throwing 7 times or less.

People get way too literal. The point wasn't that Purdy will be the next Kruczek. Overall, there are generally reasons why players fall to the end of the draft . . . limitations, bad decision-making, limited upside, etc. Maybe Purdy really is this good, and he will go on to be a successful long-term starter.

In the 28 drafts since the league went to the current 7-round draft format with the advent of free agency / the salary cap in 1994, here are all the QBs taken in the 7th round that made at least 5 career regular season starts:

Ryan Fitzpatrick - 147
Gus Frerotte - 93
Matt Cassel - 81
Trevor Siemian - 30
Tim Rattay - 18
Ken Dorsey - 13
Tyle Thigpen - 12
Glenn Foley - 9
Koy Detmer - 8
Matt Flynn - 7
Tony Graziani - 5
Brock Purdy - 5

I have no idea how Purdy will do moving forward, whether the Niners will give him the starting job, or if he will go back to being a backup. Maybe he is a true diamond in the rough in the Tom Brady or Kurt Warner category. Sometimes, weird things happen. At one point, Trent Dilfer had a stretch where he went 20-1 as a starter across 3 different teams. The rest of his career, Dilfer went 38-54. Not even God could explain how Dilfer won at a .952 clip over 3 seasons. (And to be clear, I am not suggesting Purdy will be the next Trent Dilfer.)

 

[thecatch]

Purdy has been a surprise, very efficient, and hasn't needed to do too much. But I think at some point he will face more adversity and probably will have times when he looks like a 7th round rookie. Teams should start to be able to identify his tendencies, dissect more film, and figure out more ways to disrupt and confuse him compared to the way things have gone so far. IIRC, the only game the Niners were behind when Purdy was played was the Raiders game. Things have gone SF's way so far . . . let's see what happens if things don't go as smoothly.

At this stage, SF probably can't fully rely on Lance or Purdy moving forward just yet. Lance hasn't played enough and has been injured. Purdy has looked very good, but guys like Foles, Rush, Huntley, Brissett, Rudolph, Zappe, etc. have stepped in and done well in short stints, but that doesn't necessarily mean they should be regular starters. Back in the day, Mike Kruczek won his 6 first starts and never won another game (and only made 1 more start in his career).

You might be right that Purdy regresses but c'mon with some of those comps. Kruczek won one of those games throwing two (2) passes and three more times throwing 7 times or less.

People get way too literal.

Well, you did go out of your way to make an explicit and silly comparison to someone from the 1970s.

 

[Chaka]

Purdy has been a surprise, very efficient, and hasn't needed to do too much. But I think at some point he will face more adversity and probably will have times when he looks like a 7th round rookie. Teams should start to be able to identify his tendencies, dissect more film, and figure out more ways to disrupt and confuse him compared to the way things have gone so far. IIRC, the only game the Niners were behind when Purdy was played was the Raiders game. Things have gone SF's way so far . . . let's see what happens if things don't go as smoothly.

At this stage, SF probably can't fully rely on Lance or Purdy moving forward just yet. Lance hasn't played enough and has been injured. Purdy has looked very good, but guys like Foles, Rush, Huntley, Brissett, Rudolph, Zappe, etc. have stepped in and done well in short stints, but that doesn't necessarily mean they should be regular starters. Back in the day, Mike Kruczek won his 6 first starts and never won another game (and only made 1 more start in his career).

You might be right that Purdy regresses but c'mon with some of those comps. Kruczek won one of those games throwing two (2) passes and three more times throwing 7 times or less.

People get way too literal. The point wasn't that Purdy will be the next Kruczek. Overall, there are generally reasons why players fall to the end of the draft . . . limitations, bad decision-making, limited upside, etc. Maybe Purdy really is this good, and he will go on to be a successful long-term starter.

In the 28 drafts since the league went to the current 7-round draft format with the advent of free agency / the salary cap in 1994, here are all the QBs taken in the 7th round that made at least 5 career regular season starts:

Ryan Fitzpatrick - 147
Gus Frerotte - 93
Matt Cassel - 81
Trevor Siemian - 30
Tim Rattay - 18
Ken Dorsey - 13
Tyle Thigpen - 12
Glenn Foley - 9
Koy Detmer - 8
Matt Flynn - 7
Tony Graziani - 5
Brock Purdy - 5

I have no idea how Purdy will do moving forward, whether the Niners will give him the starting job, or if he will go back to being a backup. Maybe he is a true diamond in the rough in the Tom Brady or Kurt Warner category. Sometimes, weird things happen. At one point, Trent Dilfer had a stretch where he went 20-1 as a starter across 3 different teams. The rest of his career, Dilfer went 38-54. Not even God could explain how Dilfer won at a .952 clip over 3 seasons. (And to be clear, I am not suggesting Purdy will be the next Trent Dilfer.)

<Lloyd Christmas></Lloyd Christmas>

 

[spurs44]

I don't know how anyone thinks they can evaluate Lance based on what, 12 or so quarters of football.

But yall do you.

This. I also don't think the 49ers know exactly what they have in Lance until he plays enough regular season games to find out. I mean it's not asking to much to say that Lance can also just be just as efficient as Burdy at some point except he has enormous potential in his running game. Imagine trying to control this offense with a running qb.

 

[Tanner9919]

49ers' Trey Lance posts cryptic Instagram message immediately after Titans hire new general manager

That's pretty interesting. If the drafting of Lance was driven more by management than by Shanahan, it's not a stretch to connect the dots to the Titans.

Titans 1.11 for Lance seems like a fair deal that both teams would take.

can trey lance even play at the NFL level ?? from what I've seen , he's not, repeat NOT NFL ready. nor will he ever be.

 

[farfromforgotten]

49ers' Trey Lance posts cryptic Instagram message immediately after Titans hire new general manager

That's pretty interesting. If the drafting of Lance was driven more by management than by Shanahan, it's not a stretch to connect the dots to the Titans.

Titans 1.11 for Lance seems like a fair deal that both teams would take.

can trey lance even play at the NFL level ?? from what I've seen , he's not, repeat NOT NFL ready. nor will he ever be.

How can you see, exactly, that he’ll never be? Is it the same way that you saw the Niners losing to the Seahawks and the Cowboys in these playoffs? I hope so. Cause that’d make me feel a lot better.

 

[wgoldsph]

49ers' Trey Lance posts cryptic Instagram message immediately after Titans hire new general manager

That's pretty interesting. If the drafting of Lance was driven more by management than by Shanahan, it's not a stretch to connect the dots to the Titans.

Titans 1.11 for Lance seems like a fair deal that both teams would take.

can trey lance even play at the NFL level ?? from what I've seen , he's not, repeat NOT NFL ready. nor will he ever be.

What exactly have you seen? A few passes as an extremely raw rookie and a game in a downpour? How can you tell anything from that?

 

[Faust]

Zulgad: Trey Lance could be excellent fit as Vikings' QB of future, if 49ers move on from him

 

[King of the Jungle]

The process of evaluation is certainly not over for Lance (one could argue that it really has barely begun unfortunately for him). However it is hard to argue that Lance looked even remotely close to as composed/polished/productive in his 4-5 starts as Purdy did in any of his opportunities. It has been night and day watching the two. This is also with Lance sitting and learning the majority of his rookie year. I like Lance’s potential and am not burying him by any means, but Purdy has looked much more capable of running this offense effectively in comparison so far.

 

[menobrown]

The process of evaluation is certainly not over for Lance (one could argue that it really has barely begun unfortunately for him). However it is hard to argue that Lance looked even remotely close to as composed/polished/productive in his 4-5 starts as Purdy did in any of his opportunities. It has been night and day watching the two. This is also with Lance sitting and learning the majority of his rookie year. I like Lance’s potential and am not burying him by any means, but Purdy has looked much more capable of running this offense effectively in comparison so far.

Sure but Purdy is more then tripling Lance's college experience and against a must more challenging comp so him looking more capable out of the gate is not anything I'd hold against Lance. And I don't think you can discount the tremendous help CMC is to a QB as he provides an easy button that Lance never had.

As for your comment that "this is also with Lance sitting and learning the majority of his rookie year" I would say to me that's not really relevant. Unless you are judging Lance by how he looked in the week one monsoon because that's his only game he played after sitting and learning for the majority of the year. Personally I don't judge him on the monsoon game and he was hurt on the opening drive in week 2 so to me I've not seen anything to to judge how sitting for most of the year benefitted him. He was not great in the pre-season, camp reports were not outstanding either so fair to call those concerns into question. But I think, especially after seeing how off Watson looked this year, there might need to be a little grace for how little he's played the previous few seasons and need to knock some rust off.

The problem I see, and why I've thought SF might look to deal him, is if they go with Purdy as the QB how do you ever knock the rust off Lance and give him the playing time he so badly needs to develop? If Purdy is the starter and Lance is retained just seems like his skill set will diminish from atrophy to point he'll never really have a shot. I really think he needs to play for someone next year or his career is likely shot.

 

[Faust]

Report: 49ers trading Trey Lance 'unlikely' despite rise of Brock Purdy

 

[Marauder]

The process of evaluation is certainly not over for Lance (one could argue that it really has barely begun unfortunately for him). However it is hard to argue that Lance looked even remotely close to as composed/polished/productive in his 4-5 starts as Purdy did in any of his opportunities. It has been night and day watching the two. This is also with Lance sitting and learning the majority of his rookie year. I like Lance’s potential and am not burying him by any means, but Purdy has looked much more capable of running this offense effectively in comparison so far.

But that shouldn't be a surprise to anybody. Lance came out of college as a 20 year old with 19 career starts in division 2. Purdy was a 22 year old with 48 career starts in the Big 12. Purdy fell in the draft for other reasons but he was very polished his composure was considered one of his strengths. I think Purdy should go into training camp as the starter next year because he's a perfect fit for this offense, which needs a QB who is efficient and can feed all the offensive weapons they have. Lance is more of the kind of guy who needs the offense to be geared around his skill set.

 

[JoeJoe88]

The process of evaluation is certainly not over for Lance (one could argue that it really has barely begun unfortunately for him). However it is hard to argue that Lance looked even remotely close to as composed/polished/productive in his 4-5 starts as Purdy did in any of his opportunities. It has been night and day watching the two. This is also with Lance sitting and learning the majority of his rookie year. I like Lance’s potential and am not burying him by any means, but Purdy has looked much more capable of running this offense effectively in comparison so far.

Sure but Purdy is more then tripling Lance's college experience and against a must more challenging comp so him looking more capable out of the gate is not anything I'd hold against Lance. And I don't think you can discount the tremendous help CMC is to a QB as he provides an easy button that Lance never had.

As for your comment that "this is also with Lance sitting and learning the majority of his rookie year" I would say to me that's not really relevant. Unless you are judging Lance by how he looked in the week one monsoon because that's his only game he played after sitting and learning for the majority of the year. Personally I don't judge him on the monsoon game and he was hurt on the opening drive in week 2 so to me I've not seen anything to to judge how sitting for most of the year benefitted him. He was not great in the pre-season, camp reports were not outstanding either so fair to call those concerns into question. But I think, especially after seeing how off Watson looked this year, there might need to be a little grace for how little he's played the previous few seasons and need to knock some rust off.

The problem I see, and why I've thought SF might look to deal him, is if they go with Purdy as the QB how do you ever knock the rust off Lance and give him the playing time he so badly needs to develop? If Purdy is the starter and Lance is retained just seems like his skill set will diminish from atrophy to point he'll never really have a shot. I really think he needs to play for someone next year or his career is likely shot.

I pretty much agree with all of this. And I’ll admit, him going elsewhere would be the ideal scenario for me as I own both him and Purdy in dynasty.

My fear is the market for Trey just won’t be there. At least, I don’t see a team willing to give up enough for SF to justify moving him. I think he’d have interest for sure. But would the Niners really trade him for a 2nd?

What I fear happens is Lance remains on the Niners and Purdy is the starter next year. They’ll work him onto the field in certain situations, likely goal line packages, but two-QB systems rarely work and I fear doing something like that would be detrimental in the long run for both he and Brock’s development.

 

[Faust]

I could see that scenario developing next season where Brock Purdy is the starter and Trey Lance is utilized in a Taysom Hill type of role in the offensive system.

 

[King of the Jungle]

The process of evaluation is certainly not over for Lance (one could argue that it really has barely begun unfortunately for him). However it is hard to argue that Lance looked even remotely close to as composed/polished/productive in his 4-5 starts as Purdy did in any of his opportunities. It has been night and day watching the two. This is also with Lance sitting and learning the majority of his rookie year. I like Lance’s potential and am not burying him by any means, but Purdy has looked much more capable of running this offense effectively in comparison so far.

Sure but Purdy is more then tripling Lance's college experience and against a must more challenging comp so him looking more capable out of the gate is not anything I'd hold against Lance. And I don't think you can discount the tremendous help CMC is to a QB as he provides an easy button that Lance never had.

As for your comment that "this is also with Lance sitting and learning the majority of his rookie year" I would say to me that's not really relevant. Unless you are judging Lance by how he looked in the week one monsoon because that's his only game he played after sitting and learning for the majority of the year. Personally I don't judge him on the monsoon game and he was hurt on the opening drive in week 2 so to me I've not seen anything to to judge how sitting for most of the year benefitted him. He was not great in the pre-season, camp reports were not outstanding either so fair to call those concerns into question. But I think, especially after seeing how off Watson looked this year, there might need to be a little grace for how little he's played the previous few seasons and need to knock some rust off.

The problem I see, and why I've thought SF might look to deal him, is if they go with Purdy as the QB how do you ever knock the rust off Lance and give him the playing time he so badly needs to develop? If Purdy is the starter and Lance is retained just seems like his skill set will diminish from atrophy to point he'll never really have a shot. I really think he needs to play for someone next year or his career is likely shot.

Good post and I agree, the one start this year doesn’t prove much based on conditions. However the bottom line no matter the reasoning is that Purdy has looked like the much better quarterback so far. And to your point, when will Trey get the chance to develop? The team is built to win right now, which makes the draft pick an odd one to begin with given Trey’s lack of collegiate experience.

 

[greenmountaingoat]

It’s a catch 22. Lance always needed live reps to learn and he can’t earn them because of aforementioned lack of experience. Bummer the ankle derailed his year. Sometimes you just miss the train. He’s screwed. Odds are he gets a chance at some point somewhere but it’s anything but a sure thing.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

Why would San Fran move on from this guy? I have no idea if he's good or not. But 3 things I do know ...

1) You've got him under contract on a team friendly deal.
2) QBs get hurt. You gotta have a backup. And I'd rather have Trey Lance than some washed vet.
3) There's a cap hit to trade him.

So stay the course. Assume Purdy is your #1 but Lance is there should he falter or get injured. Trading Lance makes no sense to me until next offseason.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Why would San Fran move on from this guy? I have no idea if he's good or not. But 3 things I do know ...

1) You've got him under contract on a team friendly deal.
2) QBs get hurt. You gotta have a backup. And I'd rather have Trey Lance than some washed vet.
3) There's a cap hit to trade him.

So stay the course. Assume Purdy is your #1 but Lance is there should he falter or get injured. Trading Lance makes no sense to me until next offseason.

Exactly. And why should SF care if he develops slower due to sitting behind Purdy? That’s a problem for Lance and his agent.

 

[zamboni]

Why would San Fran move on from this guy? I have no idea if he's good or not. But 3 things I do know ...

1) You've got him under contract on a team friendly deal.
2) QBs get hurt. You gotta have a backup. And I'd rather have Trey Lance than some washed vet.
3) There's a cap hit to trade him.

So stay the course. Assume Purdy is your #1 but Lance is there should he falter or get injured. Trading Lance makes no sense to me until next offseason.

Makes sense - which is the same approach taken last year, but substitute Purdy for Lance and then Lance for Jimmy G.

 

[Buckna]

I’m not saying they should or will trade him but it’s not much of a cap hit to trade Lance. It’s roughly $11MM in dead money to trade him but that’s only an increase of less than $2MM vs the cap number in ‘23 to keep him on the roster. It would also save them ~$9MM in salary and a pretty sizeable 5th year option (~$22MM in 2023 so more than that in ‘25) that they have to decide on if they are exercising next year.

 

[zamboni]

Maybe it's just a matter of how far Purdy takes them. If they win it all, then they've got their guy in Purdy and may not be overly concerned about the draft capital given up to get Lance. If they fall short and Purdy shows some weaknesses, it's probably a tougher decision.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

Its not a tough decision at all. Even if Purdy wins the SB by 100 points. You keep them both.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

49ers' Trey Lance posts cryptic Instagram message immediately after Titans hire new general manager

That's pretty interesting. If the drafting of Lance was driven more by management than by Shanahan, it's not a stretch to connect the dots to the Titans.

Titans 1.11 for Lance seems like a fair deal that both teams would take.

Are you high?

3rd rounder at best

They are not going to bother moving him for a 3rd rounder.

They would get better offers than that, anyway. He’s played 5 games. Y’all act like we’ve seen a full season of him being terrible like Zach Wilson.

1. You guys are being unfair to Lance. He’s raw and needs development. His talents are such that he was mostly competent in his handful of starts even without much experience or refinement. He may turn out to suck but you can’t possibly write him off at this point.
2. The cap hit the Niners would take for trading him is big enough that it would really have to be an overwhelming offer to justify trading him. Plus, the Niners have demonstrated the need to have competent QB depth. It seems super unlikely to me that the Niners both get a great offer and add someone else they’d be comfortable with as a backup this offseason.

1. All of this is 100%. People saying they know Trey will be this or that at this point is just trying to justify their own opinions.

2. Why people don't get this is mind boggling. Anyone that thinks SF would get anything near a first rouder is fooling themselves. Besides that, it would be a bad business decision to move Lance before they know what they have and while on his rookie deal. He's not going anywhere.

I think a first is fair. You get a cost controlled high talented player for 3 years. Maybe I am wrong. What is a fair pick value that would cause him to be traded?

Conditional 2024 pick. I don’t see the titans trading the 11 for him when the team needs lines up well with the players who project to be available. I’d rather have Paris Johnson and keep tannehill.
Make it a conditional pick likely to be a 2 but could move to a 1 if the titans make the playoffs and he starts 9 games, or something else. I’m sure our new GM can work something out.

Why would the Niners do that...they would be better off keeping Lance and continue developing him just in-case Purdy takes a step backwards or gets injured.

They probably won’t. I don’t think they trade Lance anyway. But the titans definitely shouldn’t give more.

3rd rounder? ridiculous. He got injured, he didn't Zach Wilson us.

I feel like I'm watching Kingpin when they turn Munson into a running joke
Zach Wilson has now been turned into a new euphemism for failure

 

[GreenNGold]

I think it's pretty clear that Lance is a complete and total bust at this point, but he could develop into a decent backup. I'd be very happy for him if he proves me wrong.

SF is already so good it would be scary to imagine how much better they could be if they didn't waste all those draft picks (plus the sermon pick), the rest of the league should feel pretty fortunate.

 

[Capella]

Why would San Fran move on from this guy? I have no idea if he's good or not. But 3 things I do know ...

1) You've got him under contract on a team friendly deal.
2) QBs get hurt. You gotta have a backup. And I'd rather have Trey Lance than some washed vet.
3) There's a cap hit to trade him.

So stay the course. Assume Purdy is your #1 but Lance is there should he falter or get injured. Trading Lance makes no sense to me until next offseason.

Yea it makes no sense. You need to see a LOT more from Purdy to determine he’s your long-term QB. It’s possible of course but you aren’t going to decide that off a 10 game sample.