QB Trey Lance, LAC (5 Viewers)

[-OZ-]

It was always odd, because Justin Fields was right there, and did everything Lance could do, but better, and did it in the Big Ten for multiple years vs 1 year of FCS ball.

It's not odd to me. It was FCS but it's a very pro style offense and Lance had responsibilities such as setting protections, reads, that translated better. Not saying Fields is not intelligent but I know everyone raved about Lance in that regard.

I also don't see it the same way you do, that Fields can do everything Lance can do better. And really Fields has a lot more time to play in the NFL and all he has shown is he can run.

The whole notion that Lance can't pass or is no good is beyond idiotic to me. How does anyone know? He basically played 2 games his rookie year after sitting out the season before. Other then the opener in a monsoon that's all we got and people act like his book his wrote. I don't think anyone has any idea, how can they?

I mean, Fields ran the exact same offense as CJ Stroud, and Fields did it every bit as well, with lesser talent around him. Not even factoring in Fields rushing. But also, I recall Shanahan (maybe it was Lynch) saying that a big reason they went with Lance was his mobility, which was never on Fields level. In my opinion anyway, Fields was always a much better prospect than Lance was.

It sucks for Lance that he's been injured, so its tough to make a case for or against him, beyond what you thought of him as a prospect, but Fields has shown NFL talent and Lance hasn't, so if you were already starting from Fields>Lance (as I was) there is no reason to think differently.

To be fair, I still think its entirely possible the best QB from that class ends up being Mac Jones, and he just suffered through a season with a hilariously bad play caller. I will fully agree that its WAY too early to tell how the 2021 class stacks up.

I like Mac. Would absolutely jump if the patriots wanted to move on from him and ship him off to their old Buddy Mike in Nashville. But that seems as unlikely as it is for Mac to have a better career than Trevor.

 

[travdogg]

It was always odd, because Justin Fields was right there, and did everything Lance could do, but better, and did it in the Big Ten for multiple years vs 1 year of FCS ball.

It's not odd to me. It was FCS but it's a very pro style offense and Lance had responsibilities such as setting protections, reads, that translated better. Not saying Fields is not intelligent but I know everyone raved about Lance in that regard.

I also don't see it the same way you do, that Fields can do everything Lance can do better. And really Fields has a lot more time to play in the NFL and all he has shown is he can run.

The whole notion that Lance can't pass or is no good is beyond idiotic to me. How does anyone know? He basically played 2 games his rookie year after sitting out the season before. Other then the opener in a monsoon that's all we got and people act like his book his wrote. I don't think anyone has any idea, how can they?

I mean, Fields ran the exact same offense as CJ Stroud, and Fields did it every bit as well, with lesser talent around him. Not even factoring in Fields rushing. But also, I recall Shanahan (maybe it was Lynch) saying that a big reason they went with Lance was his mobility, which was never on Fields level. In my opinion anyway, Fields was always a much better prospect than Lance was.

It sucks for Lance that he's been injured, so its tough to make a case for or against him, beyond what you thought of him as a prospect, but Fields has shown NFL talent and Lance hasn't, so if you were already starting from Fields>Lance (as I was) there is no reason to think differently.

To be fair, I still think its entirely possible the best QB from that class ends up being Mac Jones, and he just suffered through a season with a hilariously bad play caller. I will fully agree that its WAY too early to tell how the 2021 class stacks up.

As a 49er fan, I was hoping they would take Fields at #3 over Lance, mainly because of the experience factor. But I also hated the fact they made the trade to move up to #3. Didn't think going that high was necessary as I don't think Lance would have gone top 10. Thought they should have let the draft play out and trade up if one of the QBs fell. Overall, Lynch/Adams have done a fairly good job with the draft after their first year, 2017 draft fiasco, but they crapped the bed on the Lance trade up. Fortunately, the 2022, 2023 firsts they gave up ended up being later picks (#29 both years), but still a bad trade.

I mean, the part that really sucks for 49ers fans, is if they'd stayed put at #12, they could have drafted Micah Parsons, and had basically the exact same QB situation they had, while arguably having the NFLs 2 best pass rushers opposite one another.

ETA: They almost certainly beat the Rams in the 2021 NFC Title game in that scenario and are probably the favorites over Cincinnati in that Super Bowl.

 

[menobrown]

I mean, Fields ran the exact same offense as CJ Stroud, and Fields did it every bit as well, with lesser talent around him

What does that prove on the NFL level?

Fields has shown NFL talent

He has shown he can run. That is all.

 

[efactor]

It was always odd, because Justin Fields was right there, and did everything Lance could do, but better, and did it in the Big Ten for multiple years vs 1 year of FCS ball.

It's not odd to me. It was FCS but it's a very pro style offense and Lance had responsibilities such as setting protections, reads, that translated better. Not saying Fields is not intelligent but I know everyone raved about Lance in that regard.

I also don't see it the same way you do, that Fields can do everything Lance can do better. And really Fields has a lot more time to play in the NFL and all he has shown is he can run.

The whole notion that Lance can't pass or is no good is beyond idiotic to me. How does anyone know? He basically played 2 games his rookie year after sitting out the season before. Other then the opener in a monsoon that's all we got and people act like his book his wrote. I don't think anyone has any idea, how can they?

I mean, Fields ran the exact same offense as CJ Stroud, and Fields did it every bit as well, with lesser talent around him. Not even factoring in Fields rushing. But also, I recall Shanahan (maybe it was Lynch) saying that a big reason they went with Lance was his mobility, which was never on Fields level. In my opinion anyway, Fields was always a much better prospect than Lance was.

It sucks for Lance that he's been injured, so its tough to make a case for or against him, beyond what you thought of him as a prospect, but Fields has shown NFL talent and Lance hasn't, so if you were already starting from Fields>Lance (as I was) there is no reason to think differently.

To be fair, I still think its entirely possible the best QB from that class ends up being Mac Jones, and he just suffered through a season with a hilariously bad play caller. I will fully agree that its WAY too early to tell how the 2021 class stacks up.

As a 49er fan, I was hoping they would take Fields at #3 over Lance, mainly because of the experience factor. But I also hated the fact they made the trade to move up to #3. Didn't think going that high was necessary as I don't think Lance would have gone top 10. Thought they should have let the draft play out and trade up if one of the QBs fell. Overall, Lynch/Adams have done a fairly good job with the draft after their first year, 2017 draft fiasco, but they crapped the bed on the Lance trade up. Fortunately, the 2022, 2023 firsts they gave up ended up being later picks (#29 both years), but still a bad trade.

I mean, the part that really sucks for 49ers fans, is if they'd stayed put at #12, they could have drafted Micah Parsons, and had basically the exact same QB situation they had, while arguably having the NFLs 2 best pass rushers opposite one another.

Yep

 

[menobrown]

It was always odd, because Justin Fields was right there, and did everything Lance could do, but better, and did it in the Big Ten for multiple years vs 1 year of FCS ball.

It's not odd to me. It was FCS but it's a very pro style offense and Lance had responsibilities such as setting protections, reads, that translated better. Not saying Fields is not intelligent but I know everyone raved about Lance in that regard.

I also don't see it the same way you do, that Fields can do everything Lance can do better. And really Fields has a lot more time to play in the NFL and all he has shown is he can run.

The whole notion that Lance can't pass or is no good is beyond idiotic to me. How does anyone know? He basically played 2 games his rookie year after sitting out the season before. Other then the opener in a monsoon that's all we got and people act like his book his wrote. I don't think anyone has any idea, how can they?

I mean, Fields ran the exact same offense as CJ Stroud, and Fields did it every bit as well, with lesser talent around him. Not even factoring in Fields rushing. But also, I recall Shanahan (maybe it was Lynch) saying that a big reason they went with Lance was his mobility, which was never on Fields level. In my opinion anyway, Fields was always a much better prospect than Lance was.

It sucks for Lance that he's been injured, so its tough to make a case for or against him, beyond what you thought of him as a prospect, but Fields has shown NFL talent and Lance hasn't, so if you were already starting from Fields>Lance (as I was) there is no reason to think differently.

To be fair, I still think its entirely possible the best QB from that class ends up being Mac Jones, and he just suffered through a season with a hilariously bad play caller. I will fully agree that its WAY too early to tell how the 2021 class stacks up.

As a 49er fan, I was hoping they would take Fields at #3 over Lance, mainly because of the experience factor. But I also hated the fact they made the trade to move up to #3. Didn't think going that high was necessary as I don't think Lance would have gone top 10. Thought they should have let the draft play out and trade up if one of the QBs fell. Overall, Lynch/Adams have done a fairly good job with the draft after their first year, 2017 draft fiasco, but they crapped the bed on the Lance trade up. Fortunately, the 2022, 2023 firsts they gave up ended up being later picks (#29 both years), but still a bad trade.

I mean, the part that really sucks for 49ers fans, is if they'd stayed put at #12, they could have drafted Micah Parsons, and had basically the exact same QB situation they had, while arguably having the NFLs 2 best pass rushers opposite one another.

They'd have picked Mac Jones if they stayed at 12 but would of course still been way better off.

 

[efactor]

It was always odd, because Justin Fields was right there, and did everything Lance could do, but better, and did it in the Big Ten for multiple years vs 1 year of FCS ball.

It's not odd to me. It was FCS but it's a very pro style offense and Lance had responsibilities such as setting protections, reads, that translated better. Not saying Fields is not intelligent but I know everyone raved about Lance in that regard.

I also don't see it the same way you do, that Fields can do everything Lance can do better. And really Fields has a lot more time to play in the NFL and all he has shown is he can run.

The whole notion that Lance can't pass or is no good is beyond idiotic to me. How does anyone know? He basically played 2 games his rookie year after sitting out the season before. Other then the opener in a monsoon that's all we got and people act like his book his wrote. I don't think anyone has any idea, how can they?

I mean, Fields ran the exact same offense as CJ Stroud, and Fields did it every bit as well, with lesser talent around him. Not even factoring in Fields rushing. But also, I recall Shanahan (maybe it was Lynch) saying that a big reason they went with Lance was his mobility, which was never on Fields level. In my opinion anyway, Fields was always a much better prospect than Lance was.

It sucks for Lance that he's been injured, so its tough to make a case for or against him, beyond what you thought of him as a prospect, but Fields has shown NFL talent and Lance hasn't, so if you were already starting from Fields>Lance (as I was) there is no reason to think differently.

To be fair, I still think its entirely possible the best QB from that class ends up being Mac Jones, and he just suffered through a season with a hilariously bad play caller. I will fully agree that its WAY too early to tell how the 2021 class stacks up.

As a 49er fan, I was hoping they would take Fields at #3 over Lance, mainly because of the experience factor. But I also hated the fact they made the trade to move up to #3. Didn't think going that high was necessary as I don't think Lance would have gone top 10. Thought they should have let the draft play out and trade up if one of the QBs fell. Overall, Lynch/Adams have done a fairly good job with the draft after their first year, 2017 draft fiasco, but they crapped the bed on the Lance trade up. Fortunately, the 2022, 2023 firsts they gave up ended up being later picks (#29 both years), but still a bad trade.

I mean, the part that really sucks for 49ers fans, is if they'd stayed put at #12, they could have drafted Micah Parsons, and had basically the exact same QB situation they had, while arguably having the NFLs 2 best pass rushers opposite one another.

They'd have picked Mac Jones if they stayed at 12 but would of course still been way better off.

Agree, but in hindsight, picking Parsons would have been a great move and so much fun as a fan.

After they made the trade to move up to #3, there was a lot of talk of them drafting Jones there. I never got that as I told anyone who would listen that Jones would still be there at 12, so why jump up for him. Some things just seem so obvious but that's part of what makes the NFL draft so intriguing

 

[travdogg]

Fields has shown NFL talent

He has shown he can run. That is all.

Honestly, running at that level is enough. If Fields never improves as a passer, he's still a good enough QB with that level of rushing prowess. If he improves even slightly as a passer, he's probably a top-10 QB. If he improves a good amount as a passer, he's an MVP candidate. Fields did a good job keeping the Bears in almost every game last year, they were 1-7 in 1 score games, including 50-50 games with Philly, Minnesota, and Miami.

Personally, I'm betting on the slight improvement. But Fields through 2 seasons, has shown as much or more than Josh Allen or Jalen Hurts did, and is on a similar path right down to getting a #1 WR in year 3. Not saying that is a reasonable expectation for Fields, but its in the range of possible outcomes.

Meanwhile with Lance (since its his thread and all) he's likely in a losing battle for a starting job, and I can't see any team offering more than a 3rd rounder for him in trade, which SF probably wouldn't do.

ETA: Which isn't necessarily saying Lance is bad, just that its been 2 years, and he's shown nothing, and while the circumstances were unfortunate, his time as SF's guy, may have already passed.

 

[JohnnyU]

Fields has shown NFL talent

He has shown he can run. That is all.

Honestly, running at that level is enough. If Fields never improves as a passer, he's still a good enough QB with that level of rushing prowess. If he improves even slightly as a passer, he's probably a top-10 QB. If he improves a good amount as a passer, he's an MVP candidate. Fields did a good job keeping the Bears in almost every game last year, they were 1-7 in 1 score games, including 50-50 games with Philly, Minnesota, and Miami.

Personally, I'm betting on the slight improvement. But Fields through 2 seasons, has shown as much or more than Josh Allen or Jalen Hurts did, and is on a similar path right down to getting a #1 WR in year 3. Not saying that is a reasonable expectation for Fields, but its in the range of possible outcomes.

Meanwhile with Lance (since its his thread and all) he's likely in a losing battle for a starting job, and I can't see any team offering more than a 3rd rounder for him in trade, which SF probably wouldn't do.

ETA: Which isn't necessarily saying Lance is bad, just that its been 2 years, and he's shown nothing, and while the circumstances were unfortunate, his time as SF's guy, may have already passed.

I agree with everything you said. The big deal with running QBs and poor passers, is there is always the risk of being replaced if the passing gets bad enough.

 

[-OZ-]

It was always odd, because Justin Fields was right there, and did everything Lance could do, but better, and did it in the Big Ten for multiple years vs 1 year of FCS ball.

It's not odd to me. It was FCS but it's a very pro style offense and Lance had responsibilities such as setting protections, reads, that translated better. Not saying Fields is not intelligent but I know everyone raved about Lance in that regard.

I also don't see it the same way you do, that Fields can do everything Lance can do better. And really Fields has a lot more time to play in the NFL and all he has shown is he can run.

The whole notion that Lance can't pass or is no good is beyond idiotic to me. How does anyone know? He basically played 2 games his rookie year after sitting out the season before. Other then the opener in a monsoon that's all we got and people act like his book his wrote. I don't think anyone has any idea, how can they?

I mean, Fields ran the exact same offense as CJ Stroud, and Fields did it every bit as well, with lesser talent around him. Not even factoring in Fields rushing. But also, I recall Shanahan (maybe it was Lynch) saying that a big reason they went with Lance was his mobility, which was never on Fields level. In my opinion anyway, Fields was always a much better prospect than Lance was.

It sucks for Lance that he's been injured, so its tough to make a case for or against him, beyond what you thought of him as a prospect, but Fields has shown NFL talent and Lance hasn't, so if you were already starting from Fields>Lance (as I was) there is no reason to think differently.

To be fair, I still think its entirely possible the best QB from that class ends up being Mac Jones, and he just suffered through a season with a hilariously bad play caller. I will fully agree that its WAY too early to tell how the 2021 class stacks up.

As a 49er fan, I was hoping they would take Fields at #3 over Lance, mainly because of the experience factor. But I also hated the fact they made the trade to move up to #3. Didn't think going that high was necessary as I don't think Lance would have gone top 10. Thought they should have let the draft play out and trade up if one of the QBs fell. Overall, Lynch/Adams have done a fairly good job with the draft after their first year, 2017 draft fiasco, but they crapped the bed on the Lance trade up. Fortunately, the 2022, 2023 firsts they gave up ended up being later picks (#29 both years), but still a bad trade.

I mean, the part that really sucks for 49ers fans, is if they'd stayed put at #12, they could have drafted Micah Parsons, and had basically the exact same QB situation they had, while arguably having the NFLs 2 best pass rushers opposite one another.

They'd have picked Mac Jones if they stayed at 12 but would of course still been way better off.

Agree, but in hindsight, picking Parsons would have been a great move and so much fun as a fan.

After they made the trade to move up to #3, there was a lot of talk of them drafting Jones there. I never got that as I told anyone who would listen that Jones would still be there at 12, so why jump up for him. Some things just seem so obvious but that's part of what makes the NFL draft so intriguing

We can play that game all day. How much better would the titans have been with Tee Higgins instead of Isaiah Wilson (literally has zero value in his career - the only one of the first 90 picks with 0 value)

 

[efactor]

It was always odd, because Justin Fields was right there, and did everything Lance could do, but better, and did it in the Big Ten for multiple years vs 1 year of FCS ball.

It's not odd to me. It was FCS but it's a very pro style offense and Lance had responsibilities such as setting protections, reads, that translated better. Not saying Fields is not intelligent but I know everyone raved about Lance in that regard.

I also don't see it the same way you do, that Fields can do everything Lance can do better. And really Fields has a lot more time to play in the NFL and all he has shown is he can run.

The whole notion that Lance can't pass or is no good is beyond idiotic to me. How does anyone know? He basically played 2 games his rookie year after sitting out the season before. Other then the opener in a monsoon that's all we got and people act like his book his wrote. I don't think anyone has any idea, how can they?

I mean, Fields ran the exact same offense as CJ Stroud, and Fields did it every bit as well, with lesser talent around him. Not even factoring in Fields rushing. But also, I recall Shanahan (maybe it was Lynch) saying that a big reason they went with Lance was his mobility, which was never on Fields level. In my opinion anyway, Fields was always a much better prospect than Lance was.

It sucks for Lance that he's been injured, so its tough to make a case for or against him, beyond what you thought of him as a prospect, but Fields has shown NFL talent and Lance hasn't, so if you were already starting from Fields>Lance (as I was) there is no reason to think differently.

To be fair, I still think its entirely possible the best QB from that class ends up being Mac Jones, and he just suffered through a season with a hilariously bad play caller. I will fully agree that its WAY too early to tell how the 2021 class stacks up.

As a 49er fan, I was hoping they would take Fields at #3 over Lance, mainly because of the experience factor. But I also hated the fact they made the trade to move up to #3. Didn't think going that high was necessary as I don't think Lance would have gone top 10. Thought they should have let the draft play out and trade up if one of the QBs fell. Overall, Lynch/Adams have done a fairly good job with the draft after their first year, 2017 draft fiasco, but they crapped the bed on the Lance trade up. Fortunately, the 2022, 2023 firsts they gave up ended up being later picks (#29 both years), but still a bad trade.

I mean, the part that really sucks for 49ers fans, is if they'd stayed put at #12, they could have drafted Micah Parsons, and had basically the exact same QB situation they had, while arguably having the NFLs 2 best pass rushers opposite one another.

They'd have picked Mac Jones if they stayed at 12 but would of course still been way better off.

Agree, but in hindsight, picking Parsons would have been a great move and so much fun as a fan.

After they made the trade to move up to #3, there was a lot of talk of them drafting Jones there. I never got that as I told anyone who would listen that Jones would still be there at 12, so why jump up for him. Some things just seem so obvious but that's part of what makes the NFL draft so intriguing

We can play that game all day.

And?

 

[Faust]

CBS' Josina Anderson reports "no substantive" Trey Lance trade talks have occurred "over the last 72 hours."​

The Texans have been one of Lance's rumored destinations, but Anderson reports they have yet to reach out to the Niners. It remains highly unclear if the Texans might take a quarterback on Thursday evening. If they pass, perhaps a Lance deal becomes more realistic. Lance could be a fall-back option for a number of teams.
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SOURCE: Josina Anderson on Twitter
Apr 27, 2023, 4:43 PM ET

 

[Wingnut]

Nothing surprising here. Lance isnt going anywhere, at least not until Purdy is healthy.

 

[menobrown]

Nothing surprising here. Lance isnt going anywhere, at least not until Purdy is healthy.

Houston and the Titans addressing QB might have closed his window even if/when Purdy returns to health.

 

[kface]

It is what it is and depth is good but if Purdy starts here then Lance has zero value after this year.

 

[Soulfly3]

was I ever right about this pick.
feel for him tho, the injuries were just a slap in the face to whatever chance he had.

 

[thecatch]

It is what it is and depth is good but if Purdy starts here then Lance has zero value after this year.

Maybe. If he plays well in a couple of spot starts, it might be a Jimmy G with the Patriots situation. Lance is going to have to show something though.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Nothing surprising here. Lance isnt going anywhere, at least not until Purdy is healthy.

Houston and the Titans addressing QB might have closed his window even if/when Purdy returns to health.

Yep. I just can’t think of a team for whom the solution to their problems is “Trey Lance“. Like, he can’t just step in and run an offense.

The book may not be entirely closed on Trey Lance’s career, but it’s starting to feel like that.

 

[JohnnyU]

Nothing surprising here. Lance isnt going anywhere, at least not until Purdy is healthy.

Houston and the Titans addressing QB might have closed his window even if/when Purdy returns to health.

Yep. I just can’t think of a team for whom the solution to their problems is “Trey Lance“. Like, he can’t just step in and run an offense.

The book may not be entirely closed on Trey Lance’s career, but it’s starting to feel like that.

Even though I don't think the 9'ers will trade him, because they are stubborn, I wouldn't rule out a post draft trade.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Nothing surprising here. Lance isnt going anywhere, at least not until Purdy is healthy.

Houston and the Titans addressing QB might have closed his window even if/when Purdy returns to health.

Yep. I just can’t think of a team for whom the solution to their problems is “Trey Lance“. Like, he can’t just step in and run an offense.

The book may not be entirely closed on Trey Lance’s career, but it’s starting to feel like that.

Even though I don't think the 9'ers will trade him, because they are stubborn, I wouldn't rule out a post draft trade.

There’s still the cap hit thats double his pay IIRC.

 

[menobrown]

Nothing surprising here. Lance isnt going anywhere, at least not until Purdy is healthy.

Houston and the Titans addressing QB might have closed his window even if/when Purdy returns to health.

Yep. I just can’t think of a team for whom the solution to their problems is “Trey Lance“. Like, he can’t just step in and run an offense.

The book may not be entirely closed on Trey Lance’s career, but it’s starting to feel like that.

Even though I don't think the 9'ers will trade him, because they are stubborn, I wouldn't rule out a post draft trade.

For sure possible but what I always viewed as two most likely suitors would seem to be out of the market for him now.

In an odd twist you’d assume that an injury to Purdy would be a boon to his chances to win a starting job but the timing of his injury seems to have made it much harder, assuming Purdy makes it back without missing much or any games.

 

[Faust]

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports Trey Lance could open the season as the 49ers' No. 3 quarterback if he isn't traded.​

The 49ers could wait until Brock Purdy is healthy this preseason to trade Lance, according to Rapoport, similar to how they handled the Jimmy Garoppolo situation last year. Lance's rookie contract makes him easier to move than Garoppolo, who played out his final year in San Francisco. Sam Darnold looks to be ahead of Lance on the depth chart going into OTAs and is the favorite to start if Purdy isn't ready for Week 1.
SOURCE: NFL.com
Apr 29, 2023, 4:51 PM ET

 

[Faust]

NBC Sports Bay Area reports a hairline finger fracture forced Trey Lance to change his throwing grip after the injury did not heal properly.​

“He spent a whole year throwing without a bent finger which changed everything and shows the toughness of the kid that he never complained about it,” coach Kyle Shanahan said of Lance's 2021 preseason injury Thursday. “He tried to adjust so he could be out there.” Per reporter Matt Maiocco, the injury actually proved to be a bigger hindrance than Lance's catastrophic 2022 lower-body injury. In other words, yikes. Although Shanahan now claims Lance is "the best we've seen him," it's yet another data point to throw on top of the mounting evidence that the 49ers have zero intention of starting Lance in 2023. A trade would remain the best outcome for both parties after Shanahan said Thursday he has three "franchise-like" quarterbacks in Lance, Brock Purdy and Sam Darnold.
SOURCE: NBC Sports Bay Area
May 11, 2023, 7:01 PM ET

 

[greenmountaingoat]

It’ll be another 18 months before I cut him. But it sure ain’t looking good.

 

[joey]

It’ll be another 18 months before I cut him. But it sure ain’t looking good.

My Keep 13 league has cut downs in August, and I fully expect to cut bait on Lance then, and keep boring Goff instead, and then draft the next Great Rookie QB in the mid-2nd shortly thereafter.

 

[finfansteve]

I can’t say why but for some reason I still believe. I think the 49ers know what they’re doing when they draft and I’ll be looking to pick him up cheaply this off-season. I could get burned but the cost to acquire him won’t hurt anymore if he flames out

 

[Faust]

NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport said on the Pat McAfee Show he “got a lot of pushback” from the 49ers for suggesting Trey Lance will open the season behind Sam Darnold.​

“The Darnold thing is interesting. I've said there was a chance Darnold was going to be the starter Week 1. I got a lot of pushback from people there, who were like, why would you discount Trey?” The 49ers have called Brock Purdy the frontrunner to start Week 1, but there are doubts Purdy, recovering from March UCL surgery, will be ready. Lance’s starting chances have been overshadowed by Darnold’s this offseason but there are some in the building that think the third-year QB can start. San Francisco could look to trade Lance this preseason if he doesn’t beat out a post-hype Darnold.
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SOURCE: Pat McAfee Show
May 12, 2023, 7:29 PM ET

 

[spurs44]

NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport said on the Pat McAfee Show he “got a lot of pushback” from the 49ers for suggesting Trey Lance will open the season behind Sam Darnold.​

“The Darnold thing is interesting. I've said there was a chance Darnold was going to be the starter Week 1. I got a lot of pushback from people there, who were like, why would you discount Trey?” The 49ers have called Brock Purdy the frontrunner to start Week 1, but there are doubts Purdy, recovering from March UCL surgery, will be ready. Lance’s starting chances have been overshadowed by Darnold’s this offseason but there are some in the building that think the third-year QB can start. San Francisco could look to trade Lance this preseason if he doesn’t beat out a post-hype Darnold.
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• Sam Darnold

SOURCE: Pat McAfee Show
May 12, 2023, 7:29 PM ET

If he doesn't beat out Darnold in what many consider the best qb friendly offense in the league I contend his trade value would drop quite a bit.

 

[JohnnyU]

His value is so low he's a great trade target. Even if it doesn't work out, you won't be out much.

 

[Kiddnets]

His value is so low he's a great trade target. Even if it doesn't work out, you won't be out much.

I cant imagine they start Darnold over him if Purdy is not ready - that would absolutely crush his value....gotta figure the 9ers would like to get something back for him on all those picks - summer trade?

As a Young owner it has been an awful experience - now other teams smell blood and are looking to get him for pennies - Im holding and hoping.

 

[-OZ-]

His value is so low he's a great trade target. Even if it doesn't work out, you won't be out much.

Agreed, although I just traded him away.

 

[dipandglide]

His value is so low he's a great trade target. Even if it doesn't work out, you won't be out much.

That and he's younger than guys like Will Levis. I'm kicking the tires for early 2nd value

 

[League Champion]

It's obvious that he's not an NFL QB. If he was then someone certainly would of traded for him by now. They brought in Sam Darnold for God's sake.

 

[King of the Jungle]

It's obvious that he's not an NFL QB. If he was then someone certainly would have traded for him by now. They brought in Sam Darnold for God's sake.

They needed a veteran in the room and after last years injuries I cannot blame them for adding arms. With that being said, Lance has an uphill climb and the odds are against him. What is the least amount of career starts a QB has ever had after being drafted top 3? I imagine Lance may hold that record at the end of the day. Lynch/Shanny not wanting to be remembered for one of draft histories worst trades may help give him a shot if he can show some improvement and command of the offense.

 

[-OZ-]

. Lynch/Shanny not wanting to be remembered for one of draft histories worst trades may help give him a shot if he can show some improvement and command of the offense.

I never got the feeling these guys care about that. It seems they’d rather be known for winning. I have little doubt they’ll give Lance a legit chance but that’s because he might give them the best chance to win.

 

[JohnnyU]

It's obvious that he's not an NFL QB. If he was then someone certainly would of traded for him by now. They brought in Sam Darnold for God's sake.

You're possibly wrong on two fronts. First, the sample size is too small to say he's not an NFL QB. Second, the reason why he hasn't been traded is probably because the 49'ers are asking too much. They are notoriously stubborn. See Jimmy G last year. Plus, they gave a boat load for him, so it stands to reason not to sell him for peanuts, especially considering he's cheap on his rookie contract. Lastly, the injury to Purdy matters too. Darnold isn't enough given the injury status to their QB room.

 

[League Champion]

It's obvious that he's not an NFL QB. If he was then someone certainly would of traded for him by now. They brought in Sam Darnold for God's sake.

You're possibly wrong on two fronts. First, the sample size is too small to say he's not an NFL QB. Second, the reason why he hasn't been traded is probably because the 49'ers are asking too much. They are notoriously stubborn. See Jimmy G last year. Plus, they gave a boat load for him, so it stands to reason not to sell him for peanuts, especially considering he's cheap on his rookie contract. Lastly, the injury to Purdy matters too. Darnold isn't enough given the injury status to their QB room.

I don't disagree but by year 3 they have to know what they have. The only reason he's around is because of the price they paid. If he gets beat out by a 7th round pick then that's all we need to know going forward.

I hope I'm wrong because I have a few dynasty shares but it's not looking good

 

[JohnnyU]

It's obvious that he's not an NFL QB. If he was then someone certainly would of traded for him by now. They brought in Sam Darnold for God's sake.

You're possibly wrong on two fronts. First, the sample size is too small to say he's not an NFL QB. Second, the reason why he hasn't been traded is probably because the 49'ers are asking too much. They are notoriously stubborn. See Jimmy G last year. Plus, they gave a boat load for him, so it stands to reason not to sell him for peanuts, especially considering he's cheap on his rookie contract. Lastly, the injury to Purdy matters too. Darnold isn't enough given the injury status to their QB room.

I don't disagree but by year 3 they have to know what they have. The only reason he's around is because of the price they paid. If he gets beat out by a 7th round pick then that's all we need to know going forward.

I hope I'm wrong because I have a few dynasty shares but it's not looking good

How could they possibly know what they have when he has hardly been on the field? Add that to a limited college resume and there you have it, a small sample size. We should know more this year, barring another injury or setback from the previous one. Patience is a virtue.

 

[Amused to Death]

It's obvious that he's not an NFL QB. If he was then someone certainly would of traded for him by now. They brought in Sam Darnold for God's sake.

You're possibly wrong on two fronts. First, the sample size is too small to say he's not an NFL QB. Second, the reason why he hasn't been traded is probably because the 49'ers are asking too much. They are notoriously stubborn. See Jimmy G last year. Plus, they gave a boat load for him, so it stands to reason not to sell him for peanuts, especially considering he's cheap on his rookie contract. Lastly, the injury to Purdy matters too. Darnold isn't enough given the injury status to their QB room.

I don't disagree but by year 3 they have to know what they have. The only reason he's around is because of the price they paid. If he gets beat out by a 7th round pick then that's all we need to know going forward.

I hope I'm wrong because I have a few dynasty shares but it's not looking good

How could they possibly know what they have when he has hardly been on the field? Add that to a limited college resume and there you have it, a small sample size. We should know more this year, barring another injury or setback from the previous one. Patience is a virtue.

I think the problem for Lance is that he's on a win-now team with no time to bring along a young QB who needs to go through the usual rookie growing pains. Will Lance be the next guy up if Purdy isn't ready for the start of the season? And if he is, how short will his leash be? He's in a tough spot.

On the flip side, SF needs to hope Purdy comes back as the same QB.

 

[Kiddnets]

It's obvious that he's not an NFL QB. If he was then someone certainly would of traded for him by now. They brought in Sam Darnold for God's sake.

You're possibly wrong on two fronts. First, the sample size is too small to say he's not an NFL QB. Second, the reason why he hasn't been traded is probably because the 49'ers are asking too much. They are notoriously stubborn. See Jimmy G last year. Plus, they gave a boat load for him, so it stands to reason not to sell him for peanuts, especially considering he's cheap on his rookie contract. Lastly, the injury to Purdy matters too. Darnold isn't enough given the injury status to their QB room.

I don't disagree but by year 3 they have to know what they have. The only reason he's around is because of the price they paid. If he gets beat out by a 7th round pick then that's all we need to know going forward.

I hope I'm wrong because I have a few dynasty shares but it's not looking good

How could they possibly know what they have when he has hardly been on the field? Add that to a limited college resume and there you have it, a small sample size. We should know more this year, barring another injury or setback from the previous one. Patience is a virtue.

I think the problem for Lance is that he's on a win-now team with no time to bring along a young QB who needs to go through the usual rookie growing pains. Will Lance be the next guy up if Purdy isn't ready for the start of the season? And if he is, how short will his leash be? He's in a tough spot.

On the flip side, SF needs to hope Purdy comes back as the same QB.

If SF is truly a win now team Im not sure how they go with Darnold. Hes been awful - at least Lance is an unknown with potential.

 

[JohnnyU]

It's obvious that he's not an NFL QB. If he was then someone certainly would of traded for him by now. They brought in Sam Darnold for God's sake.

You're possibly wrong on two fronts. First, the sample size is too small to say he's not an NFL QB. Second, the reason why he hasn't been traded is probably because the 49'ers are asking too much. They are notoriously stubborn. See Jimmy G last year. Plus, they gave a boat load for him, so it stands to reason not to sell him for peanuts, especially considering he's cheap on his rookie contract. Lastly, the injury to Purdy matters too. Darnold isn't enough given the injury status to their QB room.

I don't disagree but by year 3 they have to know what they have. The only reason he's around is because of the price they paid. If he gets beat out by a 7th round pick then that's all we need to know going forward.

I hope I'm wrong because I have a few dynasty shares but it's not looking good

How could they possibly know what they have when he has hardly been on the field? Add that to a limited college resume and there you have it, a small sample size. We should know more this year, barring another injury or setback from the previous one. Patience is a virtue.

I think the problem for Lance is that he's on a win-now team with no time to bring along a young QB who needs to go through the usual rookie growing pains. Will Lance be the next guy up if Purdy isn't ready for the start of the season? And if he is, how short will his leash be? He's in a tough spot.

On the flip side, SF needs to hope Purdy comes back as the same QB.

If SF is truly a win now team Im not sure how they go with Darnold. Hes been awful - at least Young is an unknown with potential.

I think you mean Lance

 

[Amused to Death]

It's obvious that he's not an NFL QB. If he was then someone certainly would of traded for him by now. They brought in Sam Darnold for God's sake.

You're possibly wrong on two fronts. First, the sample size is too small to say he's not an NFL QB. Second, the reason why he hasn't been traded is probably because the 49'ers are asking too much. They are notoriously stubborn. See Jimmy G last year. Plus, they gave a boat load for him, so it stands to reason not to sell him for peanuts, especially considering he's cheap on his rookie contract. Lastly, the injury to Purdy matters too. Darnold isn't enough given the injury status to their QB room.

I don't disagree but by year 3 they have to know what they have. The only reason he's around is because of the price they paid. If he gets beat out by a 7th round pick then that's all we need to know going forward.

I hope I'm wrong because I have a few dynasty shares but it's not looking good

How could they possibly know what they have when he has hardly been on the field? Add that to a limited college resume and there you have it, a small sample size. We should know more this year, barring another injury or setback from the previous one. Patience is a virtue.

I think the problem for Lance is that he's on a win-now team with no time to bring along a young QB who needs to go through the usual rookie growing pains. Will Lance be the next guy up if Purdy isn't ready for the start of the season? And if he is, how short will his leash be? He's in a tough spot.

On the flip side, SF needs to hope Purdy comes back as the same QB.

If SF is truly a win now team Im not sure how they go with Darnold. Hes been awful - at least Young is an unknown with potential.

I agree, I think SF is in a precarious situation with their QBs. WRT Lance, its unfortunate that he's starting to get the "bust" label after only 4 NFL starts. He needs to go to a team where he can be the starter for 2 years before we know his potential. I don't think he's going to get that opportunity.

 

[Kiddnets]

It's obvious that he's not an NFL QB. If he was then someone certainly would of traded for him by now. They brought in Sam Darnold for God's sake.

You're possibly wrong on two fronts. First, the sample size is too small to say he's not an NFL QB. Second, the reason why he hasn't been traded is probably because the 49'ers are asking too much. They are notoriously stubborn. See Jimmy G last year. Plus, they gave a boat load for him, so it stands to reason not to sell him for peanuts, especially considering he's cheap on his rookie contract. Lastly, the injury to Purdy matters too. Darnold isn't enough given the injury status to their QB room.

I don't disagree but by year 3 they have to know what they have. The only reason he's around is because of the price they paid. If he gets beat out by a 7th round pick then that's all we need to know going forward.

I hope I'm wrong because I have a few dynasty shares but it's not looking good

How could they possibly know what they have when he has hardly been on the field? Add that to a limited college resume and there you have it, a small sample size. We should know more this year, barring another injury or setback from the previous one. Patience is a virtue.

I think the problem for Lance is that he's on a win-now team with no time to bring along a young QB who needs to go through the usual rookie growing pains. Will Lance be the next guy up if Purdy isn't ready for the start of the season? And if he is, how short will his leash be? He's in a tough spot.

On the flip side, SF needs to hope Purdy comes back as the same QB.

If SF is truly a win now team Im not sure how they go with Darnold. Hes been awful - at least Young is an unknown with potential.

I think you mean Lance

not sure where I got Young from - edited and thx!

 

[JohnnyU]

It's obvious that he's not an NFL QB. If he was then someone certainly would of traded for him by now. They brought in Sam Darnold for God's sake.

You're possibly wrong on two fronts. First, the sample size is too small to say he's not an NFL QB. Second, the reason why he hasn't been traded is probably because the 49'ers are asking too much. They are notoriously stubborn. See Jimmy G last year. Plus, they gave a boat load for him, so it stands to reason not to sell him for peanuts, especially considering he's cheap on his rookie contract. Lastly, the injury to Purdy matters too. Darnold isn't enough given the injury status to their QB room.

I don't disagree but by year 3 they have to know what they have. The only reason he's around is because of the price they paid. If he gets beat out by a 7th round pick then that's all we need to know going forward.

I hope I'm wrong because I have a few dynasty shares but it's not looking good

How could they possibly know what they have when he has hardly been on the field? Add that to a limited college resume and there you have it, a small sample size. We should know more this year, barring another injury or setback from the previous one. Patience is a virtue.

I think the problem for Lance is that he's on a win-now team with no time to bring along a young QB who needs to go through the usual rookie growing pains. Will Lance be the next guy up if Purdy isn't ready for the start of the season? And if he is, how short will his leash be? He's in a tough spot.

On the flip side, SF needs to hope Purdy comes back as the same QB.

If SF is truly a win now team Im not sure how they go with Darnold. Hes been awful - at least Young is an unknown with potential.

I think you mean Lance

not sure where I got Young from - edited and thx!

You got it from @League Champion statement "no time to bring along a young QB". Subliminal suggestion.

 

[Terpman22]

It's obvious that he's not an NFL QB. If he was then someone certainly would of traded for him by now. They brought in Sam Darnold for God's sake.

You're possibly wrong on two fronts. First, the sample size is too small to say he's not an NFL QB. Second, the reason why he hasn't been traded is probably because the 49'ers are asking too much. They are notoriously stubborn. See Jimmy G last year. Plus, they gave a boat load for him, so it stands to reason not to sell him for peanuts, especially considering he's cheap on his rookie contract. Lastly, the injury to Purdy matters too. Darnold isn't enough given the injury status to their QB room.

I don't disagree but by year 3 they have to know what they have. The only reason he's around is because of the price they paid. If he gets beat out by a 7th round pick then that's all we need to know going forward.

I hope I'm wrong because I have a few dynasty shares but it's not looking good

How could they possibly know what they have when he has hardly been on the field? Add that to a limited college resume and there you have it, a small sample size. We should know more this year, barring another injury or setback from the previous one. Patience is a virtue.

I think the problem for Lance is that he's on a win-now team with no time to bring along a young QB who needs to go through the usual rookie growing pains. Will Lance be the next guy up if Purdy isn't ready for the start of the season? And if he is, how short will his leash be? He's in a tough spot.

On the flip side, SF needs to hope Purdy comes back as the same QB.

If SF is truly a win now team Im not sure how they go with Darnold. Hes been awful - at least Lance is an unknown with potential.

Being win now mode and "thinking" you are in win now mode are probably two different things. Shanahan thinks he can literally coach up any QB, and its kind of hurt him to a degree. I could be in the minority on this, but going so far with Jimmy G has given him a bit of hubris that might be blinding him a little bit. He thinks his system is pretty much perfect. I think he did the "ok sure I'll go for a premium QB" route with Lance, but even in that exercise he still took a super raw guy that he felt "I can also coach up." Add in the fact the relative success of Purdy (who IMO definitely has his warts) he's double/triple downed on this with the Darnold signing with another "Well I'm a great QB coach/I'll get the best out of him more than anyone else could" sort of mentality.

 

[kface]

It's obvious that he's not an NFL QB. If he was then someone certainly would of traded for him by now. They brought in Sam Darnold for God's sake.

You're possibly wrong on two fronts. First, the sample size is too small to say he's not an NFL QB. Second, the reason why he hasn't been traded is probably because the 49'ers are asking too much. They are notoriously stubborn. See Jimmy G last year. Plus, they gave a boat load for him, so it stands to reason not to sell him for peanuts, especially considering he's cheap on his rookie contract. Lastly, the injury to Purdy matters too. Darnold isn't enough given the injury status to their QB room.

I don't disagree but by year 3 they have to know what they have. The only reason he's around is because of the price they paid. If he gets beat out by a 7th round pick then that's all we need to know going forward.

I hope I'm wrong because I have a few dynasty shares but it's not looking good

How could they possibly know what they have when he has hardly been on the field? Add that to a limited college resume and there you have it, a small sample size. We should know more this year, barring another injury or setback from the previous one. Patience is a virtue.

I think the problem for Lance is that he's on a win-now team with no time to bring along a young QB who needs to go through the usual rookie growing pains. Will Lance be the next guy up if Purdy isn't ready for the start of the season? And if he is, how short will his leash be? He's in a tough spot.

On the flip side, SF needs to hope Purdy comes back as the same QB.

Agreed and I'm not sure Darnold doesn't give them the best chance to win out of the gate until Purdy is ready

The thing with Lance, is that unless you think he's super human (which most don't I think), he has to play to be great and he just hasn't played at all. He's still as raw as they come so rolling him out week 1 is a very tough call unless Darnold looks terrible

 

[Soulfly3]

the draft capital is mindblowing.

 

[Wingnut]

Some of the takes in here are mind boggling.

 

[dipandglide]

Have any of you seen any stats on round 1 QB's who don't start for 1-2 years? Arog and Mahomes are the first two QB's that come to mind. I know Steve Young backed up Montana for a while too.

 

[Drake Hater]

Some of the takes in here are mind boggling.

Drugs are bad, mkay

 

[Wingnut]

Have any of you seen any stats on round 1 QB's who don't start for 1-2 years? Arog and Mahomes are the first two QB's that come to mind. I know Steve Young backed up Montana for a while too.

McNair started 2 games as a rookie and 4 games the following year before becoming full time starter in his 3rd year in1997.