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Footballguy
i get that and it’s apparently how they’re seeing things too. I just think the possibility of building an elite core is worth the risk.
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QB Trey Lance, LAC (4 Viewers)
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Footballguy
I have been hearing that philosophy on this board a lot lately but IMO the reality is the NFL is a QB-driven league where most HC's and GM's will not have the time to do this and in all honesty I don't think you can even do it without a QB even if they are given more time than usual...BB is as secure as they come but I can almost guarantee you if the Pats finish 7-10 or 8-9 this year and the QB position is still murky he will be done in New England regardless of what the rest of the team looks like.
modogg
Footballguy
it is interesting with how much traction this story is getting that there are not many speculating teams out there. i know the Vikings and Texans seem to be the most mentioned. For me, i would think the Patriots would be a certainly intriguing option for him to land
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Was about to respond with exactly this.
I agree this rumor is probably just that, but the idea that the Jets are 1 QB away so Lance would be a solution is laughable.
Even if Lance has the talent that the Niners paid for (and I’m a bit skeptical of that) he’s not going to step in and solve this problem.
I’m in the “ARod is a bit washed” camp but of the 2, he’s the one who fits that puzzle and would make the Jets an immediate contender.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I think they actually like Zappe - at least enough to give him an extended look.
I doubt BB wants a project QB for the same reason the Jets wouldn’t want a project QB.
Texans make some sense because they’re not a win-now team at all. But that’ll depend on how the ex-Niners view Lance.
It would depend on what it took to get him. I still don't really know what he is.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That’s my biggest concern. He hasn’t really shown anything, and reports from inside the organization are that he absolutely was not ready to start last year, and that was before getting hurt.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Where'd you see this? I've heard and seen nothing that would suggest this other than writers fishing for clicks.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
It was all the talk on 95.7 for months.l during the off-season before he started, and was cited as among the reasons they brought back JimmyG.
Also reportedly there was some internal disagreement of whether Lance should have started over JimmyG, again, based on what they saw on the practice field.
I believe it was Maiocco, but not positive. One of the SF beat writers. I don’t want to misattribute it - it’s been quite a while
-OZ-
Footballguy
I don’t think the jets are one QB away from a SB. Which is a reason I think is better they continue to build, with a QB who will probably be around more than a year and is far more likely to grow with the team.
Rodgers in SF would make sense if it worked financially. They are a QB away IMO.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
The best storyline is Rodgers goes to SF and the Packers beat him in the NFCCG.
-OZ-
Footballguy
I’d enjoy it even more if Lance is part of the trade and beats out love.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I want neither of those things
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
I'm extremely confident neither will come to pass.
greenmountaingoat
Footballguy
Competing with ZW may provide the confidence boost he needed. love the fit on both sides there.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
zamboni
Footballguy
I'd give about a 2% chance that Lance will get traded to the Jets, Saleh connection and all. With the Rodgers pursuit, the Jets are looking for a proven veteran that can both stabilize the ship and move the offense forward. Lance would bring a lot of question marks that they already have with Wilson.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
The concern with Lance is he say out his senior season, did not play much as a rookie and when he did looked mediocre at best, got hurt early and missed all of last season, basically has not played in 3 years. So right now in reality is still a rookie in terms of on field time.
Can Lance be good? Maybe yes, maybe no. Lance was raw to begin with so I would lean towards he can be good eventually with some growing pains. The way the Jets are built they seem to be in the win now mode not a rebuild. ARod is getting old but he knows how the play and manage a game and still has the arm.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I'll take the under
efactor
Footballguy
I just get the feeling Brady plays somewhere this year. Probably not SF, but you know he wants to play and still can at a high level. Go for it Tom
joey
Footballguy
I’ll take the super under on all of these points.
massraider
Footballguy
Yes!! Tom. Go for it.
Play till you are Willie Mays with the Mets, Emmitt with the Seahawks, OJ with the 49ers. Do it Tom, Do it.
efactor
Footballguy
Bad analogy since Willie Mays played 8 seasons after his skills had dropped dramatically. OJ and Emmitt only played 3 years after they were toast, but 3 years is a lifetime for RBs when you're done.
Brady still playing at a high level and if he wants to play some more, he should.
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Wingnut
Footballguy
And pay them with what? The 49ers are very creative when it comes to creating cap space, backloading, restructuring etc, but it would take an actual miracle given their current cap situation and Bosa's deal coming this summer.
Brady would be able to work with them but I don't see any of these things going down and zero shot with Rodgers.
I read today that SF had 3 visits with DTR. Once at the combine, once at a personal workout and as one of their official 30 visits. That's the kind of direction I could see them going if they unload Lance. Purdy, Darnold and a mid draft pick. Maybe bring in Matt Ryan if all hell breaks loose.
zamboni
Footballguy
David Tee Roth?
In case you are not just joking was talking about Dorian Thompson-Robinson.David Tee Roth?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
The calls were coming from inside the house.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That was my guess at the time. All just 49ers trying to stir up interest.
zamboni
Footballguy
No doubt they're ringing in all those active phone booths around San Francisco.
efactor
Footballguy
Part of why I love the draft. A big hustle where you can’t believe anything. Not the way to live a normal part of your life but kind of fun here.
That’s interesting in of itself as the desire to move him suggests SF internally doesn’t think Lance has much of a chance of developing into a special (or at least > Purdy) quarterback.
Edit: Rapoport is saying the Niners have received calls on him.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That’s why I was so happy to move him in a package for Trevor Lawrence
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Footballguy
Their trading for him was weird from the start. He never seemed like a real good fit for their offense. More like kids finding a new toy and just testing it out to see what it can do without any real interest in keeping the toy long term. Even in the games his usage seemed odd for the 9ers. Kind of an expensive (in draft and trade capital) Taysom Hill
Terpman22
Footballguy
Kyle Shanahan has hubris out the ***. I believe he thinks he can literally win with "any" QB, just not a Super Bowl. They don't care about draft capital at all really either. Trey Sermon was drafted in the 3rd round and they just replaced him with a 6th round pick. When they realized both were not that great, they traded a ton of assets for CMC. They traded a ton of assets for Trey Lance and again, they found a guy with the very last pick of the draft and he was successful, so they are now moving on from Trey Lance. What is the ceiling of Brock Purdy? TBD, but the thoughts seem to be "Well I can just plug Sam Darnold in to be my guy if Brock isn't ready" I still feel like Trey Lance has a super high ceiling and just ya know, hasn't got the requisite game time to develop enough. Injuries have not helped either. With rookie contracts like a ticking bomb in these situations it truly is "S*** or get off the pot time" and the time now is to recoup anything you can for Lance in a trade before that 5th year option needs to be picked up. Similar situation to Jordan Love, just in opposite, so they needed to find out "what we have" and this is the year, hence Aaron Rodgers was traded (of course there were many more factors into this decision than the Lance stuff). Shanahan gonna Shanahan and it seems no one is holding him back, so he will keep drafting guys high, not giving them a "real" shot and replacing them with guys he thinks helps the team win sooner.Their trading for him was weird from the start. He never seemed like a real good fit for their offense. More like kids finding a new toy and just testing it out to see what it can do without any real interest in keeping the toy long term. Even in the games his usage seemed odd for the 9ers. Kind of an expensive (in draft and trade capital) Taysom Hill
Well, they initially saw him as someone who could develop into a good passer in Shanahan’s offense and also threaten the defense with the run. After they drafted him and had to play him a couple of times, it was clear Shanahan didn’t trust him much as a passer and he’s not a good enough runner to survive as a Lamar Jackson type. I still think it is way too early to give up on him as a passer, but I think it’s fairly clear that Shanahan has.Their trading for him was weird from the start. He never seemed like a real good fit for their offense. More like kids finding a new toy and just testing it out to see what it can do without any real interest in keeping the toy long term. Even in the games his usage seemed odd for the 9ers. Kind of an expensive (in draft and trade capital) Taysom Hill
It was always odd, because Justin Fields was right there, and did everything Lance could do, but better, and did it in the Big Ten for multiple years vs 1 year of FCS ball.Their trading for him was weird from the start. He never seemed like a real good fit for their offense. More like kids finding a new toy and just testing it out to see what it can do without any real interest in keeping the toy long term. Even in the games his usage seemed odd for the 9ers. Kind of an expensive (in draft and trade capital) Taysom Hill
It's not odd to me. It was FCS but it's a very pro style offense and Lance had responsibilities such as setting protections, reads, that translated better. Not saying Fields is not intelligent but I know everyone raved about Lance in that regard.
I also don't see it the same way you do, that Fields can do everything Lance can do better. And really Fields has a lot more time to play in the NFL and all he has shown is he can run.
The whole notion that Lance can't pass or is no good is beyond idiotic to me. How does anyone know? He basically played 2 games his rookie year after sitting out the season before. Other then the opener in a monsoon that's all we got and people act like his book his wrote. I don't think anyone has any idea, how can they?
Lance was generally perceived as having a higher upside in the passing game and frankly, I haven't seen much from Fields to convince me otherwise. Fields is light years better as a runner, for sure.It was always odd, because Justin Fields was right there, and did everything Lance could do, but better, and did it in the Big Ten for multiple years vs 1 year of FCS ball.Their trading for him was weird from the start. He never seemed like a real good fit for their offense. More like kids finding a new toy and just testing it out to see what it can do without any real interest in keeping the toy long term. Even in the games his usage seemed odd for the 9ers. Kind of an expensive (in draft and trade capital) Taysom Hill
I pretty much agree but I think both need more time. I listen to a podcast with Michael Lombardi and he makes me irate because he's constantly saying Lance and Fields are both no good and his blowhard self won't stop on the subject. To be fair what I've seen from both is not great, other then Fields running, but Lance needs more time and Fields needs a shot with some real weapons this year. I get annoyed at the notion of writing either of them off already.
efactor
Footballguy
Thank you.
For better or worse, Fields was thrown into the fire and got to play. He has been bad as a passer. Some of that definitely has to do with his receiving options and OL play but still, he has been bad. However, he should be better with the experience and obviously the Bears think so too or they would have kept the #1 pick.
As I’ve said before, if SF front office expected Lance to come in and shine off the bat, then that’s their mistake. Draft a 20 year old QB from division 2 with one year experience, plus sitting out the previous season and expect instant success? I like Lance and all but my expectations last year were that it would take 5-6 games to get comfortable and settle in. Unfortunately he got hurt early in game 2 and it was a lost season. He needs to play. But if Purdy is ready to go early in the season, he may never get that chance in SF. I would love to see Lance get the first 4-6 games of 2023 and see what he does with it.
I mean, Fields ran the exact same offense as CJ Stroud, and Fields did it every bit as well, with lesser talent around him. Not even factoring in Fields rushing. But also, I recall Shanahan (maybe it was Lynch) saying that a big reason they went with Lance was his mobility, which was never on Fields level. In my opinion anyway, Fields was always a much better prospect than Lance was.
It sucks for Lance that he's been injured, so its tough to make a case for or against him, beyond what you thought of him as a prospect, but Fields has shown NFL talent and Lance hasn't, so if you were already starting from Fields>Lance (as I was) there is no reason to think differently.
To be fair, I still think its entirely possible the best QB from that class ends up being Mac Jones, and he just suffered through a season with a hilariously bad play caller. I will fully agree that its WAY too early to tell how the 2021 class stacks up.
efactor
Footballguy
As a 49er fan, I was hoping they would take Fields at #3 over Lance, mainly because of the experience factor. But I also hated the fact they made the trade to move up to #3. Didn't think going that high was necessary as I don't think Lance would have gone top 10. Thought they should have let the draft play out and trade up if one of the QBs fell. Overall, Lynch/Adams have done a fairly good job with the draft after their first year, 2017 draft fiasco, but they crapped the bed on the Lance trade up. Fortunately, the 2022, 2023 firsts they gave up ended up being later picks (#29 both years), but still a bad trade.
