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QB Tyler Shough, NO (1 Viewer)

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Greg Cosell has him as his #2 overall QB behind Cam Ward, not Sanders, Milroe, Dart, etc. etc. Cosell is one of the most respected film guys out there.

Greg Cosell's TOP 4 QUARTERBACKS in the 2025 NFL Draft​

 
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I know this video isn't clickbait because Cosell doesn't need that for views. He's a film guy and truly believes in Tyler Schough. I'm not onboard yet, but he got my attention. I want to hear and read more about Schough.
 
Could be a later round rookie sleeper for superflex. I don't care where he goes he probably won't be drafted in 1QB leagues, regardless of what Cosell thinks about him.
 
Greg Cosell has him as his #2 overall QB behind Cam Ward, not Sanders, Milroe, Dart, etc. etc. Cosell is one of the most respected film guys out there.

Greg Cosell's TOP 4 QUARTERBACKS in the 2025 NFL Draft​

Tyler Schough is fun to watch, but he will turn 26 in September.
 
Greg Cosell has him as his #2 overall QB behind Cam Ward, not Sanders, Milroe, Dart, etc. etc. Cosell is one of the most respected film guys out there.

Greg Cosell's TOP 4 QUARTERBACKS in the 2025 NFL Draft​

Tyler Schough is fun to watch, but he will turn 26 in September.
Yeah, that's a negative, but QBs do have a longer shelf life than any other skill position.
 
Should fix the spelling (no “c”). Will make search easier.

I’m intrigued by him. Had him on my fantasy college team. May be a better NFL QB than fantasy QB though.
 
Yeah, this guy can throw it a bit, huh?

eta* this guy gets whomped every third throw, it seems.

eta2* Did Louisville bring their defense to away games? Did they bring them to home games?
 
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A more talented Chris Weinke? Weinke was a 29 year old rookie, not 25, as Shough is, will be 26 in September. Jake Browning and Brandon Allen were 27. Warren Moon was 28, but he had a lot of experiene in the CFL.
 
I like Cosell, and certainly I like some minority opinions, but that's wild to me. I don't have him in my top-10 QBs, and I feel like being almost 26 years old means he's pretty much what he's gonna be.

He's got ideal size, and has good pocket presence and makes good decisions, but I didn't think he had much arm talent and held the ball too long. I had him as an end of the draft flier. I'm struggling to see what he does better than Will Howard, let alone Shedeur Sanders, and I'm VERY low on Sanders.
 
I posted somewhere here a few days ago that I think he’s moved up to consensus QB4, not unanimous.


He and Dart seem to have separated from the pack a little.

2’s a bit stout but if Cosell is basing it only on tape and not giving his age or injury history any factor it’s not crazy but I don’t see how you ignore those things myself.
 
Todd McShay
There aren’t four quarterbacks in this draft class more gifted with NFL tools than Louisville QB Tyler Shough. There. I said it. Goodnight.

Doug Farrar
Tyler Shough, QB, Louisville

PLUSES

– When Shough throws from the lower body up consistently, he’s got the arm to make any throw to any part of the field – both with burner velocity, and with touch and timing. Arm talent is unquestionable when the mechanics are there.

– Shough has the capacity to work through progressions and throw comfortably to his second and third reads even when the defense changes the picture post-snap. He’s fine reading from checkdown to touchdown and vice versa.

– Shough isn’t an anticipation thrower per se – he’s not going to throw his receivers open at a high rate – but he’s also more than the typical “see it and throw it” quarterback. As long as your passing game has the quarterback throwing to spots and zones, he’s fine. He seems to have the potential for better anticipation with further coaching.

– More of a boot and roll-out thrower than a true “on the move” guy, but Shough can extend plays by design and when things break down, and when he squares his shoulders to the target, he can hit bang-on throws far downfield. He can be a bit casual with his delivery at times when on the move, and that can lead to problems

– Blitzing Shough can lead a defense into bad places. Last season against the blitz, he completed 80 of 137 passes for 1,146 yards, 12 touchdowns, two interceptions, and a passer rating of 108.7. He’s adept at spotting and exploiting the holes in coverage left by extra rushers, and he doesn’t automatically become frenetic when he’s hurried.

– Quarterbacks without defined second-reaction ability need to either have great pocket movement, or they’d better be able to stand and deliver the ball with defenders around them. Shough is more of the latter type of quarterback, and he has no issue whatsoever letting it loose in a muddied and compressed pocket. He also doesn't retreat backward from the pocket, which can be a terrible habit to break if you pick it up.

MINUSES

– Shough will have odd bouts of inaccuracy with both a funky three-quarter delivery and the traditional overhead path. There are times when he’ll just be off with his targets even when he isn’t pressured, and the timing of the routes should be more in sync than they are. At times, he’ll sail the ball a good five yards past the receiver, and you wonder what’s going on.

– Shough does not have consistent and repeatable mechanics at this point in his evolution; he’ll alternate between throwing flat-footed (leading to some of those inaccuracy bouts) and actually driving the ball either to to the target or past it. It’s almost as if he’s trying to regulate his velocity with his lower body up as opposed to sticking with a consistent mechanical profile. The variance in pass efficiency is something that will need work at the NFL level.

– Shough’s size (6-foot-5, 225 unofficially) leads to a bit of extra time required for everything to come together. He’s not a quick-twitch athlete or thrower at a consistent level, and there are times when his body seems to need an extra split second to catch up with what his brain wants to do.

– When pressure is converging, Shough is pretty binary in his response – it’s either get the ball out, or get sacked. He’s not an escape artist, and the second-reaction ability is average to below-average in comparison with what the NFL requires from its quarterbacks in 2025 and beyond.

Quarterback evaluation is so much about personal preference, even when you’re isolating the attributes required for the position. Some will look at Tyler Shough and insist that this is what a quarterback is supposed to look like. In an old-school sense, that’s probably true. I would generally prefer a quarterback who is quicker to go into second-reaction mode without bailing, which is a fine balance.

Overall, I think that Shough could succeed in the NFL with a quality offensive line in front of him, and he will make plays under pressure. But I would also have a slight hesitation when it comes to that lack of spark reaction when it’s time to extrapolate and improvise. That’s not to say that Shough won’t be a good NFL quarterback, but my concerns vs. the kind of quarterback I prefer stood out in my own evaluation.
 
A more talented Chris Weinke? Weinke was a 29 year old rookie, not 25, as Shough is, will be 26 in September. Jake Browning and Brandon Allen were 27. Warren Moon was 28, but he had a lot of experiene in the CFL.
Wasn't there a later first round Oklahoma State QB who was 26-27 as a rookie? Drawing a blank on his name.
He's a good bit closer in age to rookie Nix/Penix than Weinke. 18-21 months older than those guys were as rookies.
 
A more talented Chris Weinke? Weinke was a 29 year old rookie, not 25, as Shough is, will be 26 in September. Jake Browning and Brandon Allen were 27. Warren Moon was 28, but he had a lot of experiene in the CFL.
Wasn't there a later first round Oklahoma State QB who was 26-27 as a rookie? Drawing a blank on his name.
He's a good bit closer in age to rookie Nix/Penix than Weinke. 18-21 months older than those guys were as rookies.
Brandon Weeden
 
NFL Draft Files
Tyler Shough has LEGIT arm talent.

2024 was his first full season and he posted 24 TDs and 3191 yards with 6 INTs.

He is intelligent in the pocket; limits fumbles and has the lowest P2S% in the class (9.3%), an area where most of this class is poor.

Day 2 talent and QB4.
 
If respected film study guys like Cosell have this QB ranked up there, then he's definitely worth a closer look.
 
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Ted Nguyen
Tyler Shough reminds me so much of Derek Carr. Arm talent, panics under pressure, athletic but kind of clumsy

Benjamin Solak
Tyler Shough throwing the high corner off play-action. Can't drop it in the bucket much better than that.

NFL on ESPN
"It's not about longevity, it's about development and evaluation."

@minakimes believes Tyler Shough is pro-ready and "looks more polished on tape" than Jaxson Dart ✍️
 
@JoeA_NFL
Tyler Shough's Age Doesn't Matter

Many prominent analysts agree that Tyler Shough has arguably the best tape of any of the QBs in the 2025 draft class. Greg Cosell, Nate Tice, Mina Kimes—the list goes on. If you’re just looking at who played football at the highest level in 2024, many agree that Shough is either best or close to it. “If he were 21, 22 years old, he’s going in the first round.” (Nate Tice).

The drawback, these people argue, is that Shough is maxxed out because he is already 25 years old. How do they figure? I mean this very seriously – why do people believe that Tyler Shough is closer to his ceiling than other QB prospects? How did he develop his game during the 2020 season that was marred by COVID? How did he hone his skills when he missed almost all of 2021 with a broken clavicle? How did master his craft while missing the 2022 season with a broken leg? Was he navigating pockets and reading defenses from the hospital bed while he missed the vast majority of the 2023 season with another broken leg? I can see how he may have developed his pre-snap understanding by going through 6 offseason programs, but we see QBs continue to develop their pre-snap cognition into their 40s.

Frankly, I think Shough has the most capacity to grow and develop in this class. Sure—he’s old. People don’t improve at skills by nature of having birthdays, though. People improve via practice.
Tyler Shough has taken over 1000 fewer snaps than Jaxson Dart. Shough has played only half has many snaps of football as Cam Ward or Shedeur Sanders. He has very little time on task. If it takes 10,000 repetitions to master something, as Malcolm Gladwell famously hypothesized, Shough is the most unpolished of the bunch. The most polished, most impressive performer is the one who has the least experience? That sounds like… a good thing, doesn’t it?

The case for Shough’s development doesn’t just end with his relative inexperience, though. Shough is clearly the tallest, at 6’5. He ran his 40-yard dash in 4.62 seconds. That’s as good or better than any other QB in the class, with the exception of Jalen Milroe. Shough also has the strongest arm, with an easy 60 yards of range. Again, I ask: why is the most physically gifted, least experienced player the one with the least room to develop? Because he’s old? Because he missed 3 seasons due to freak injuries, and 25 year old players rapidly decay?

Frankly, I don’t understand the argument that Shough should have looked polished and excellent in 2024 because he was 25 years old. He missed 3 straight years due to serious injuries. Shouldn’t he have been rusty? Shouldn’t we have expected him to struggle to rediscover his game?

When Deshaun Watson sat out for a year despite being totally healthy, most assumed he would struggle upon his return, and slowly build himself back up due to “rust”. When Shough misses almost 3 straight seasons with broken bones... we assume he's going to look better than everyone else because he learned so much on crutches? How does that make sense? How can Shough learn more from a hospital bed than, say, Cam Ward learned while starting at Washington State?

If you want argue that Shough is just too fragile, go ahead. I’m not that kind of doctor. I defer to the physicians and specialists who have actually tested Shough out. If the man has brittle bones, I would stay away too! But we have to put the medicals aside for a moment.

If you want to argue that he is old, thus diminishing his longevity… I point to Matthew Stafford, who is playing into his late 30s despite a reconstructed back.

If you want to argue that the film and production in 2024 weren’t good enough, even if he were just 21 years old, I would ask you to please bet on football games.
 
Hate to be that guy, but I'd bet just about anything this guy is the next Davis Mills. Ironically, they are also within a year of the same age. It's not that he's going to stink because he's old, or even a worry about a shorter shelf life for fantasy. But how isn't a 25 year old with 7 years of experience playing against 18-20 year olds with ~2 years of experience sending up red flags for people? This is the equivalent of a youth 12-14 travel baseball team that shows up with hitter who's 6'1 220, has a full mustache, and a blurry photo copy of a birth certificate from Tabago. Ignoring the fact that people are propping up the fact Shough barely got reps in 4 of his SEVEN seasons as a GOOD thing (wild AF); he still was in camp was he not? Hitting the weight room, the practice field, doing film study, running reps? He finally hit as a QB against competition who were in elementary school when he first started working with college level coaches. Oh, he was constantly injured for 3 of those 7 years? And that's... a good thing? All that being said, I do think Shough is a top 5 QB in this class. I just think this class stinks. His path to success in the NFL is almost 100% projection seeing as his profile is littered with red flags and excuses. He's just lucky there's basically no standout QBs past Ward and Sanders, and neither of them are universally loved either.

This all just reeks of us collectively spending the past 3 months recognizing this QB class may be even worse than the 2022 class and desperately trying to convince ourselves otherwise here in the eleventh hour. An NFL team will take him high because of justified desperation. I don't think your fantasy team should do the same though.
 
Hate to be that guy, but I'd bet just about anything this guy is the next Davis Mills. Ironically, they are also within a year of the same age. It's not that he's going to stink because he's old, or even a worry about a shorter shelf life for fantasy. But how isn't a 25 year old with 7 years of experience playing against 18-20 year olds with ~2 years of experience sending up red flags for people? This is the equivalent of a youth 12-14 travel baseball team that shows up with hitter who's 6'1 220, has a full mustache, and a blurry photo copy of a birth certificate from Tabago. Ignoring the fact that people are propping up the fact Shough barely got reps in 4 of his SEVEN seasons as a GOOD thing (wild AF); he still was in camp was he not? Hitting the weight room, the practice field, doing film study, running reps? He finally hit as a QB against competition who were in elementary school when he first started working with college level coaches. Oh, he was constantly injured for 3 of those 7 years? And that's... a good thing? All that being said, I do think Shough is a top 5 QB in this class. I just think this class stinks. His path to success in the NFL is almost 100% projection seeing as his profile is littered with red flags and excuses. He's just lucky there's basically no standout QBs past Ward and Sanders, and neither of them are universally loved either.

This all just reeks of us collectively spending the past 3 months recognizing this QB class may be even worse than the 2022 class and desperately trying to convince ourselves otherwise here in the eleventh hour. An NFL team will take him high because of justified desperation. I don't think your fantasy team should do the same though.
That's where I am too. Its a 2-QB class. I think Dart and Shough, and even Milroe (though he does have elite tools) are day 3 prospects who will go on day 2 (maybe even day 1 in Dart's case) because of desperation. I really commend the Jets for signing Justin Fields (who I'd easily take over any of those guys and is the same age as Shough) and not having to worry about it.
 
But how isn't a 25 year old with 7 years of experience playing against 18-20 year olds with ~2 years of experience sending up red flags for people?

He's only 2-2.5 years older then Ward and Sanders and they doubled him up in actaul game reps so in that context it's a minimal factor to me compared to those two. Don't really see the advantage against 18-20 year olds at that position either from a physical perspective, it's not like say a 25 year old WR vs a 18 year old CB and for that matter not seeing a ton of physical maturity difference between a 23 and 25 year old. I could more easily get behind an argument that from a mental angle he should be more advanced and have that advantage over younger players but again his game reps are actually less then half of Sanders and Wards so that mitigates some of the experience and mental aptitude gained from his extra 3 years over them on practice fields.

So to me the age in a normal class is a negative but not massive, that age in this class is even less of concern relative to the other QB's.

The QB class is absolutely poor but I don't view him as a creation. He's a different prospect with a unique journey who has a lot of negatives and positives in his outlook, just depends on how those positives and negatives are viewed but I think there are legit things about him to be optimistic about. I have him as QB4 in this class, and among the 5 of them that a few years from now we might look at as having been the best of this meh bunch.
 
But how isn't a 25 year old with 7 years of experience playing against 18-20 year olds with ~2 years of experience sending up red flags for people?

He's only 2-2.5 years older then Ward and Sanders and they doubled him up in actaul game reps so in that context it's a minimal factor to me compared to those two. Don't really see the advantage against 18-20 year olds at that position either from a physical perspective, it's not like say a 25 year old WR vs a 18 year old CB and for that matter not seeing a ton of physical maturity difference between a 23 and 25 year old. I could more easily get behind an argument that from a mental angle he should be more advanced and have that advantage over younger players but again his game reps are actually less then half of Sanders and Wards so that mitigates some of the experience and mental aptitude gained from his extra 3 years over them on practice fields.

So to me the age in a normal class is a negative but not massive, that age in this class is even less of concern relative to the other QB's.

The QB class is absolutely poor but I don't view him as a creation. He's a different prospect with a unique journey who has a lot of negatives and positives in his outlook, just depends on how those positives and negatives are viewed but I think there are legit things about him to be optimistic about. I have him as QB4 in this class, and among the 5 of them that a few years from now we might look at as having been the best of this meh bunch.
Yeah the mustachioed 13 year old baseball player analogy wasn't the best because like you said, it's not a physical advantage I think Shough has. It's a mental advantage (or at least should be) at probably the most cerebral position on the field. Being able to process, make reads, make adjustments, understand schemes, read defenses, etc. etc. After 7 years of working with college coaches I'd be even more down on him if he didn't finally show out this past year. I just think his "showing out" wasn't even THAT great this past year; and to me it's unimpressive because it's working against people who've only been playing in the same sandbox with the same/similar tools at their disposal for 2-3 years. While I get game reps are the most important reps, I also put a big emphasis on just being around the coaching staff, studying playbooks and film, running through practice reps. Afterall, I think at the NFL level, that's the stuff that really starts to separate the goods from the greats; the off the field work.

As with most things, it'll just come down to cost to acquire. If he gets second round draft capital and lands in a nice situation (decent HC/offense/starting QB to work behind) and then I can take him in the early third, or maybe even late second, in a SF league; I'll be there clicking the button too. I just have a pretty large gap between Ward/Milroe/Sanders and him. And even though he's at 5 for me, he's not that far ahead of 6/7 either. (Will Howard/Dillon Gabriel for now).
 
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Hate to be that guy, but I'd bet just about anything this guy is the next Davis Mills. Ironically, they are also within a year of the same age. It's not that he's going to stink because he's old, or even a worry about a shorter shelf life for fantasy. But how isn't a 25 year old with 7 years of experience playing against 18-20 year olds with ~2 years of experience sending up red flags for people? This is the equivalent of a youth 12-14 travel baseball team that shows up with hitter who's 6'1 220, has a full mustache, and a blurry photo copy of a birth certificate from Tabago. Ignoring the fact that people are propping up the fact Shough barely got reps in 4 of his SEVEN seasons as a GOOD thing (wild AF); he still was in camp was he not? Hitting the weight room, the practice field, doing film study, running reps? He finally hit as a QB against competition who were in elementary school when he first started working with college level coaches. Oh, he was constantly injured for 3 of those 7 years? And that's... a good thing? All that being said, I do think Shough is a top 5 QB in this class. I just think this class stinks. His path to success in the NFL is almost 100% projection seeing as his profile is littered with red flags and excuses. He's just lucky there's basically no standout QBs past Ward and Sanders, and neither of them are universally loved either.

This all just reeks of us collectively spending the past 3 months recognizing this QB class may be even worse than the 2022 class and desperately trying to convince ourselves otherwise here in the eleventh hour. An NFL team will take him high because of justified desperation. I don't think your fantasy team should do the same though.
That's where I am too. Its a 2-QB class. I think Dart and Shough, and even Milroe (though he does have elite tools) are day 3 prospects who will go on day 2 (maybe even day 1 in Dart's case) because of desperation. I really commend the Jets for signing Justin Fields (who I'd easily take over any of those guys and is the same age as Shough) and not having to worry about it.
:whistle: me over here talking who keeps switching between Sanders and Milroe as my QB2 in the class lol. I probably just ruined whatever small shred of credibility I may have had with that statement. But with all the question marks and meh-ness I see in them, I find the (very slim chance of) upside with Milroe to be more enticing. I'm lucky enough to not be in a huge QB need in any of my SF leagues, so I've been easily avoiding taking any of these guys at their current ADPs.
 
But how isn't a 25 year old with 7 years of experience playing against 18-20 year olds with ~2 years of experience sending up red flags for people?

He's only 2-2.5 years older then Ward and Sanders and they doubled him up in actaul game reps so in that context it's a minimal factor to me compared to those two. Don't really see the advantage against 18-20 year olds at that position either from a physical perspective, it's not like say a 25 year old WR vs a 18 year old CB and for that matter not seeing a ton of physical maturity difference between a 23 and 25 year old. I could more easily get behind an argument that from a mental angle he should be more advanced and have that advantage over younger players but again his game reps are actually less then half of Sanders and Wards so that mitigates some of the experience and mental aptitude gained from his extra 3 years over them on practice fields.

So to me the age in a normal class is a negative but not massive, that age in this class is even less of concern relative to the other QB's.

The QB class is absolutely poor but I don't view him as a creation. He's a different prospect with a unique journey who has a lot of negatives and positives in his outlook, just depends on how those positives and negatives are viewed but I think there are legit things about him to be optimistic about. I have him as QB4 in this class, and among the 5 of them that a few years from now we might look at as having been the best of this meh bunch.
Yeah the mustachioed 13 year old baseball player analogy wasn't the best because like you said, it's not a physical advantage I think Shough has. It's a mental advantage (or at least should be) at probably the most cerebral position on the field. Being able to process, make reads, make adjustments, understand schemes, read defenses, etc. etc. After 7 years of working with college coaches I'd be even more down on him if he didn't finally show out this past year. I just think his "showing out" wasn't even THAT great this past year; and to me it's unimpressive because it's working against people who've only been playing in the same sandbox with the same/similar tools at their disposal for 2-3 years. While I get game reps are the most important reps, I also put a big emphasis on just being around the coaching staff, studying playbooks and film, running through practice reps. Afterall, I think at the NFL level, that's the stuff that really starts to separate the goods from the greats; the off the field work.

As with most things, it'll just come down to cost to acquire. If he gets second round draft capital and lands in a nice situation (decent HC/offense/starting QB to work behind) and then I can take him in the early third, or maybe even late second, in a SF league; I'll be there clicking the button too. I just have a pretty large gap between Ward/Milroe/Sanders and him. And even though he's at 5 for me, he's not that far ahead of 6/7 either. (Will Howard/Dillon Gabriel for now).
Howard and McCord are better prospects. Gabriel is also not a prospect. He is another old college QB. He has no elite traits and is really small.
 
But how isn't a 25 year old with 7 years of experience playing against 18-20 year olds with ~2 years of experience sending up red flags for people?

He's only 2-2.5 years older then Ward and Sanders and they doubled him up in actaul game reps so in that context it's a minimal factor to me compared to those two. Don't really see the advantage against 18-20 year olds at that position either from a physical perspective, it's not like say a 25 year old WR vs a 18 year old CB and for that matter not seeing a ton of physical maturity difference between a 23 and 25 year old. I could more easily get behind an argument that from a mental angle he should be more advanced and have that advantage over younger players but again his game reps are actually less then half of Sanders and Wards so that mitigates some of the experience and mental aptitude gained from his extra 3 years over them on practice fields.

So to me the age in a normal class is a negative but not massive, that age in this class is even less of concern relative to the other QB's.

The QB class is absolutely poor but I don't view him as a creation. He's a different prospect with a unique journey who has a lot of negatives and positives in his outlook, just depends on how those positives and negatives are viewed but I think there are legit things about him to be optimistic about. I have him as QB4 in this class, and among the 5 of them that a few years from now we might look at as having been the best of this meh bunch.
Yeah the mustachioed 13 year old baseball player analogy wasn't the best because like you said, it's not a physical advantage I think Shough has. It's a mental advantage (or at least should be) at probably the most cerebral position on the field. Being able to process, make reads, make adjustments, understand schemes, read defenses, etc. etc. After 7 years of working with college coaches I'd be even more down on him if he didn't finally show out this past year. I just think his "showing out" wasn't even THAT great this past year; and to me it's unimpressive because it's working against people who've only been playing in the same sandbox with the same/similar tools at their disposal for 2-3 years. While I get game reps are the most important reps, I also put a big emphasis on just being around the coaching staff, studying playbooks and film, running through practice reps. Afterall, I think at the NFL level, that's the stuff that really starts to separate the goods from the greats; the off the field work.

As with most things, it'll just come down to cost to acquire. If he gets second round draft capital and lands in a nice situation (decent HC/offense/starting QB to work behind) and then I can take him in the early third, or maybe even late second, in a SF league; I'll be there clicking the button too. I just have a pretty large gap between Ward/Milroe/Sanders and him. And even though he's at 5 for me, he's not that far ahead of 6/7 either. (Will Howard/Dillon Gabriel for now).
Howard and McCord are better prospects. Gabriel is also not a prospect. He is another old college QB. He has no elite traits and is really small.
You say so, I say no.
 
I don't think NFL teams care about the age of K, P, FB, TE, LS, and QBs anywhere near as much as fans make it seem predraft.

A lot of Shough talk is way carried away.
I read of him being compared to Weinke today. How old is the Broncos QB that the franchise is so excited about?

Pat Kirwan and Jim Miller have a fairly similar rant they say about minor leagues and raw QBs and the inadvertently of COVID and NIL putting more experienced QBs into the NFL. Listen to them long enough you'll hear it.

I'd much rather "too old 25" than Malik Willis and Anthony Richardson type raw.

I think many people have a favorite type of these two types and that's cool n all but they both have their merit.

Malik has been working with QB coaches and could be developing nicely. He's shown dramatic improvement every year. My issue with this type is people say "develop the young raw QB" but also how they're surprised with Malik's improvement. Wait a sec? You can't vote for a plan/schedule then be surprised he's on schedule. You picked your side of these two. You should be expectant not surprised.

Anywho...that's my rant.
Have a preference, you do you, but we've gotta be able to follow writers, hosts, and posters train of thought. It's a fun discussion but ruined when ya switch sides
 
Pat McAfee
"I spoke to a GM who I really trust and who is really good..

He told me that the best pure thrower of the football in this draft is Tyler Shough" ~ @PSchrags

#PMSLive

Dianna Russini
The quarterback I have heard being discussed in NFL circles more than any other lately is Louisville's Tyler Shough.

What I'm hearing, and how it could affect his draft stock, on Scoop City:
 
But how isn't a 25 year old with 7 years of experience playing against 18-20 year olds with ~2 years of experience sending up red flags for people?

He's only 2-2.5 years older then Ward and Sanders and they doubled him up in actaul game reps so in that context it's a minimal factor to me compared to those two. Don't really see the advantage against 18-20 year olds at that position either from a physical perspective, it's not like say a 25 year old WR vs a 18 year old CB and for that matter not seeing a ton of physical maturity difference between a 23 and 25 year old. I could more easily get behind an argument that from a mental angle he should be more advanced and have that advantage over younger players but again his game reps are actually less then half of Sanders and Wards so that mitigates some of the experience and mental aptitude gained from his extra 3 years over them on practice fields.

So to me the age in a normal class is a negative but not massive, that age in this class is even less of concern relative to the other QB's.

The QB class is absolutely poor but I don't view him as a creation. He's a different prospect with a unique journey who has a lot of negatives and positives in his outlook, just depends on how those positives and negatives are viewed but I think there are legit things about him to be optimistic about. I have him as QB4 in this class, and among the 5 of them that a few years from now we might look at as having been the best of this meh bunch.
Yeah the mustachioed 13 year old baseball player analogy wasn't the best because like you said, it's not a physical advantage I think Shough has. It's a mental advantage (or at least should be) at probably the most cerebral position on the field. Being able to process, make reads, make adjustments, understand schemes, read defenses, etc. etc. After 7 years of working with college coaches I'd be even more down on him if he didn't finally show out this past year. I just think his "showing out" wasn't even THAT great this past year; and to me it's unimpressive because it's working against people who've only been playing in the same sandbox with the same/similar tools at their disposal for 2-3 years. While I get game reps are the most important reps, I also put a big emphasis on just being around the coaching staff, studying playbooks and film, running through practice reps. Afterall, I think at the NFL level, that's the stuff that really starts to separate the goods from the greats; the off the field work.

As with most things, it'll just come down to cost to acquire. If he gets second round draft capital and lands in a nice situation (decent HC/offense/starting QB to work behind) and then I can take him in the early third, or maybe even late second, in a SF league; I'll be there clicking the button too. I just have a pretty large gap between Ward/Milroe/Sanders and him. And even though he's at 5 for me, he's not that far ahead of 6/7 either. (Will Howard/Dillon Gabriel for now).
Howard and McCord are better prospects. Gabriel is also not a prospect. He is another old college QB. He has no elite traits and is really small.
You say so, I say no.

He's a couple month older than Bo Nix. I don't think age is that much of a factor here.
 
But how isn't a 25 year old with 7 years of experience playing against 18-20 year olds with ~2 years of experience sending up red flags for people?

He's only 2-2.5 years older then Ward and Sanders and they doubled him up in actaul game reps so in that context it's a minimal factor to me compared to those two. Don't really see the advantage against 18-20 year olds at that position either from a physical perspective, it's not like say a 25 year old WR vs a 18 year old CB and for that matter not seeing a ton of physical maturity difference between a 23 and 25 year old. I could more easily get behind an argument that from a mental angle he should be more advanced and have that advantage over younger players but again his game reps are actually less then half of Sanders and Wards so that mitigates some of the experience and mental aptitude gained from his extra 3 years over them on practice fields.

So to me the age in a normal class is a negative but not massive, that age in this class is even less of concern relative to the other QB's.

The QB class is absolutely poor but I don't view him as a creation. He's a different prospect with a unique journey who has a lot of negatives and positives in his outlook, just depends on how those positives and negatives are viewed but I think there are legit things about him to be optimistic about. I have him as QB4 in this class, and among the 5 of them that a few years from now we might look at as having been the best of this meh bunch.
Yeah the mustachioed 13 year old baseball player analogy wasn't the best because like you said, it's not a physical advantage I think Shough has. It's a mental advantage (or at least should be) at probably the most cerebral position on the field. Being able to process, make reads, make adjustments, understand schemes, read defenses, etc. etc. After 7 years of working with college coaches I'd be even more down on him if he didn't finally show out this past year. I just think his "showing out" wasn't even THAT great this past year; and to me it's unimpressive because it's working against people who've only been playing in the same sandbox with the same/similar tools at their disposal for 2-3 years. While I get game reps are the most important reps, I also put a big emphasis on just being around the coaching staff, studying playbooks and film, running through practice reps. Afterall, I think at the NFL level, that's the stuff that really starts to separate the goods from the greats; the off the field work.

As with most things, it'll just come down to cost to acquire. If he gets second round draft capital and lands in a nice situation (decent HC/offense/starting QB to work behind) and then I can take him in the early third, or maybe even late second, in a SF league; I'll be there clicking the button too. I just have a pretty large gap between Ward/Milroe/Sanders and him. And even though he's at 5 for me, he's not that far ahead of 6/7 either. (Will Howard/Dillon Gabriel for now).
Howard and McCord are better prospects. Gabriel is also not a prospect. He is another old college QB. He has no elite traits and is really small.
You say so, I say no.

He's a couple month older than Bo Nix. I don't think age is that much of a factor here.
Like I said, I'm more concerned about his age from the fact I'd expect someone who spent 7 years honing a craft to generally be better than others who've spent 1-2 years honing it. And it really took him till that 7th year to finally beat up on kids who were in the 7th grade when he started training with collegiate offensive coordinators, strength and conditioning coaches, dieticians, physical therapists, etc. It's just not that impressive to me.

But yeah, the fact he's old is more comical than anything. Like consider this, he was Justin Herberts backup QB at Oregon. Yes, this guy entering the 2025 rookie class played behind Justin Herbert who's now entering his 6th year in the NFL. I can't say it's a red flag; but I'm fairly confident in saying it's not a green one.
 

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