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I had this thought initially when reading the defense by committee article, but didn't think it would help many other people.

A LOT of people are in 2 QB leagues these days. I don't know how automated your analysis is, but if it's possible to analyze sets of 3 (or 4) QBs for who has the best combined schedule when you must start 2 QBs it would make this article infinitely more valuable to those of us in 2 QB leagues.

Obviously we can get a feel for who has the easy schedules and one of those trios for a 1QB league is probably strong for a 2QB league. We could even grab a top 5 guy and then a trio/duo from the article for the other slot. But to have the same level of info that the guys in the regular leagues are getting would give us a HUGE advantage.

Anyway, if this is a possibility, I'd love to see it (before my draft Sunday night? :) )

 
secretid said:
I had this thought initially when reading the defense by committee article, but didn't think it would help many other people.

A LOT of people are in 2 QB leagues these days. I don't know how automated your analysis is, but if it's possible to analyze sets of 3 (or 4) QBs for who has the best combined schedule when you must start 2 QBs it would make this article infinitely more valuable to those of us in 2 QB leagues.

Obviously we can get a feel for who has the easy schedules and one of those trios for a 1QB league is probably strong for a 2QB league. We could even grab a top 5 guy and then a trio/duo from the article for the other slot. But to have the same level of info that the guys in the regular leagues are getting would give us a HUGE advantage.

Anyway, if this is a possibility, I'd love to see it (before my draft Sunday night? :) )
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LOL. You and I are really in synch these days, secretid. I'm in a 10-team 2QB league and had the same exact thought after reading Chase's article. So I ran the numbers. I'm not sure if Chase is going to want to write this up as a separate article or not, so I won't go into too much detail, but I will say that you can guess the good trios by looking at the good pairs.I looked just at trios, not foursomes. Exactly how they rank depends on how much you want to penalize for a bye week. I decided to penalize heavily.

#1 was CHI/JAX/NYJ, which is not surprising considering that various combinations of it appeared in the original article. This particular threesome looks good because they are all available late and, if your rosters are deep enough, you can stash Griese and Garrard for extra protection. If you can afford the roster space, you can probably get adequate QB production out of five *very* late picks, and not even have to worry much about injuries.

If you miss out on Leftwich, you can substitute Favre. And if you do that, then you can opt for Rivers over either of the other two. Depending on how desperate you are, the Buffalo QB works with most of these combos as well.

I'm sure we can discuss this a bit more before Sunday.

 
You guys are right, this is a good idea. Doug and I are going to run with this and publish an article ASAP. We'll do our very best to get this up on Friday for you guys drafting this weekend.

 
Chase Stuart said:
You guys are right, this is a good idea. Doug and I are going to run with this and publish an article ASAP. We'll do our very best to get this up on Friday for you guys drafting this weekend.
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Mucho gracias. :thumbup:
 
Just wanted to add, this would be the time to throw out any ideas on questions you have and queries you'd like to run about the 2 QB idea. Any suggestions made in the next few hours will probably be implemented into the article.

Chase

 
Doug Drinen said:
secretid said:
I had this thought initially when reading the defense by committee article, but didn't think it would help many other people.

A LOT of people are in 2 QB leagues these days. I don't know how automated your analysis is, but if it's possible to analyze sets of 3 (or 4) QBs for who has the best combined schedule when you must start 2 QBs it would make this article infinitely more valuable to those of us in 2 QB leagues.

Obviously we can get a feel for who has the easy schedules and one of those trios for a 1QB league is probably strong for a 2QB league. We could even grab a top 5 guy and then a trio/duo from the article for the other slot. But to have the same level of info that the guys in the regular leagues are getting would give us a HUGE advantage.

Anyway, if this is a possibility, I'd love to see it (before my draft Sunday night? :) )
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LOL. You and I are really in synch these days, secretid. I'm in a 10-team 2QB league and had the same exact thought after reading Chase's article. So I ran the numbers. I'm not sure if Chase is going to want to write this up as a separate article or not, so I won't go into too much detail, but I will say that you can guess the good trios by looking at the good pairs.I looked just at trios, not foursomes. Exactly how they rank depends on how much you want to penalize for a bye week. I decided to penalize heavily.

#1 was CHI/JAX/NYJ, which is not surprising considering that various combinations of it appeared in the original article. This particular threesome looks good because they are all available late and, if your rosters are deep enough, you can stash Griese and Garrard for extra protection. If you can afford the roster space, you can probably get adequate QB production out of five *very* late picks, and not even have to worry much about injuries.

If you miss out on Leftwich, you can substitute Favre. And if you do that, then you can opt for Rivers over either of the other two. Depending on how desperate you are, the Buffalo QB works with most of these combos as well.

I'm sure we can discuss this a bit more before Sunday.
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Veteran of many 2QB leagues here.First, you're definitely wise to penalize heavily for bye weeks. The most pressing concern of any 2QB owner should be to make sure his ### is covered at all times with reliable starters, which brings me to the second bolded part - teams with QB uncertainty should be avoided. Why? You should never have to handcuff your QBs, there really is never enough space (if there is, chances are your leaguemates will screw you by nabbing the backup before you can). This means avoid guys like Grossman (because you have to get Griese) and Kitna (McCown) and try to get guys like Delhomme (who's his backup, anyway?) and Favre.

Unfortunately, this kind of limits the options for finding a QBBC in the usual way. I think then you're left with the problem of balancing each QB's schedule with his reliability. You might have to take a guy without the best QBBC schedule simply because he's more likely to play 16 games. I can't stress how important that reliability is - when your guy goes down (several do every year), you might not get his backup off waivers. And most leagues don't structure their rosters to be big enough to carry handcuffs all year, especially not without spreading you thin at other positions.

I'd say the focus of this study should be to find the best reliable trio with a flyer as your 4th QB (Frye, for example).

Can't wait to see what you guys come up with :thumbup:

 
I am not in any 2QB leagues, but am curious on some things.

a. How can you maximize QBBC, cover bye weeks, AND minimize roster spots? The roster spots is a key in many leagues.

b. If QBBC, how best to use handcuffs since you are basically utilizing QBs with lower ADP (representative of relative risk in the QB situation thus maybe needing the handcuff more often) versus taking a 4th starting QB to rotate in QBBC (say Brad Johnson, for example)?

 
Is this bad boy still coming down the pipe?

I must say Doug and Chase, you guys are finalists for my "person of the week award" beating out basically all of my friends and family (what have they ever done for my fantasy team?).

The combination of intelligence/football knowledge and responsiveness is unreal.

 
Bump.

Not trying to nag, just wondering if I should count on having this out in time to prepare for my Sunday night draft or if I need to work out some of these numbers manually.

 
Great article! Let me add my thanks for the quick turnaround -- much appreciated.

One thought -- if QBs go quickly as in most of these leagues (and runs seem to get started and take on a life of their own), it seems like it might be worthwhile to grab a QB early (maybe wait until 5 or 6 have been drafted), then use your SoS table in the original article (Jets easiest, Bucs hardest) and take the QB with the best combination of highest-projected pts and with the easiest schedule. Then if a run starts by your next pick, take another QB (again combining SoS and projected pts -- and taking into account the match with your 1st QB using your table of team by week and opponent's strength). If a run hasn't started, then take another position and wait on a 2nd QB. Same process for taking 3rd and 4th QBs. Just a thought --this approach may have fatal flaws (I guess the basic problem I was thinking about is waiting too long to take your 1st QB and then getting caught up in runs and not being able to draft a good group of 4 QBs). Thanks again!

 
secretid said:
Bump.Not trying to nag, just wondering if I should count on having this out in time to prepare for my Sunday night draft or if I need to work out some of these numbers manually.
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Don't sweat it, secretid. We're all glad we got this done for the weekend. Knock 'em dead at your draft tomorrow night. :thumbup:
 
Seriously, I'm thrilled about this.

My only complaint has nothing to do with the article and everything to do with the schedules. It sucks that the schedules have worked out to favor some pretty crappy QBs. Favre, Brooks, Rivers was pretty exciting to me. On the other hand, using one of thoe trios should put up great production and I can get them extremely late.

 
I'm also considering calling Brooks a "stud" QB (I know, I know) and picking up a trio or pair from the 1 QB article to go with him.

 
valhallan said:
Veteran of many 2QB leagues here.

First, you're definitely wise to penalize heavily for bye weeks. The most pressing concern of any 2QB owner should be to make sure his ### is covered at all times with reliable starters, which brings me to the second bolded part - teams with QB uncertainty should be avoided. Why? You should never have to handcuff your QBs, there really is never enough space (if there is, chances are your leaguemates will screw you by nabbing the backup before you can). This means avoid guys like Grossman (because you have to get Griese) and Kitna (McCown) and try to get guys like Delhomme (who's his backup, anyway?) and Favre.

Unfortunately, this kind of limits the options for finding a QBBC in the usual way. I think then you're left with the problem of balancing each QB's schedule with his reliability. You might have to take a guy without the best QBBC schedule simply because he's more likely to play 16 games. I can't stress how important that reliability is - when your guy goes down (several do every year), you might not get his backup off waivers. And most leagues don't structure their rosters to be big enough to carry handcuffs all year, especially not without spreading you thin at other positions.

I'd say the focus of this study should be to find the best reliable trio with a flyer as your 4th QB (Frye, for example).

Can't wait to see what you guys come up with :thumbup:
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I've been playing in a 2 QB league for years, and this is a great post. Haven't read the article yet, but want to add my thanks for reacting quickly to this suggestion and posting an article geared specifically to 2 QB leagues. :thumbup:

 
This is great guys!!

I've also played in multiple 2QB leagues for over a decade, and look forward to more projections / articles for us.

I think the trend is TOWARD 2QB leagues and you guys are right to see that and support us accordingly. THANKS!!

 
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