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I always wonder who will get a ring first: Marty or Peyton. It could well happen for one of them this year. I think both San Diego and Indy would be favored over Chicago or whomever else comes out of the NFC in the Super Bowl.

Here's what I want to know. Do you trust Marty once you get into the playoffs? This guy has brought good team after good team into the postseason - from Cleveland to K.C. to S.D. - and he has come away disappointed every time. It's no secret what the knock on him is. He feels the noose tightening around his neck once the ball is kicked off in January, and he gets ULTRA-conservative.

He's getting pats on the back for letting OC Cam Cameron open things up, and for allowing young Philip to let it fly. But this is the regular season. Do you have any worries that we are going to see the "same old Marty" once the playoffs begin? That would be a shame. This has the makings of a very special team, especially once they get all of their defensive personnel back. I'd hate to see poor coaching hold them back.

And for the record, I'm happy for the diehard Chargers fans. You had a couple of stretches of some HORRIBLE football there for awhile. It wasn't easy to watch. First with the Dan Henning teams in the early 90s which were led by John Friesz and Billy Joe Tolliver, followed later in the decade by the awful Craig Whelihan/Ryan Leaf squads.

I never have and never will like the Broncos and Chiefs, but I always found it hard to root against the Chargers. It's like trying to be mad at a koala bear or a basket of puppies. They've always been a classy organization. I hope you guys bring home the hardware for the AFC West!

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Wow, my deep hatred for the raiders and their fans has taken a hit..... :wub:

To answer your question, the Marty thing concerns me a little bit but I think you can teach an old dog new tricks. I think we saw what was happening in the early part of the season. Marty was conservative with Rivers and not giving him too much so as to rattle his confidence. I think Marty understands that after this first half of the season, recklessness doesn't always mean losses. It's a good group and they can be scary good once the D gets healthy.

So unless Marty starts to tighten up and the end heading into the playoffs i wouldn't be too worried. This might be Marty's year.

 
At the risk of getting ahead of myself, this Chargers team has the makings of something very special indeed. Marty likely realizes that this is his last best chance for a ring, and hopefully has learned some things over the years. While I've called him out on occasion (the playoff loss to the Jets and this year's Ravens loss in particular), I have zero complaints with the job he has done as HC. I do pretty much all of the Chargers game summaries, and I've made mention several times about his willingness in recent years to open the offense up and let his playmakers be playmakers.

I think bottom line, it has to be in the back of our minds because of his history. But I think what we've seen from him lends credence to the theory that he has changed at least somewhat. Even if he's a little bit conservative in the postseason, this team is so scary good that they probably have the ability to win anyway in spite of that. And if he keeps this train rolling and they get healthy, it's going to be tough for anyone to beat them.

 
Wow, my deep hatred for the raiders and their fans has taken a hit.....
Seriously. Chargers win in Denver. Raider fan seems considerate and says nice things about SD. It may be too much for a single weekend. :P As for Marty, I had a little nagging bit of concern earlier in the year about him holding the team back, but while it will never be erased completely until the team wins it all, it is basically gone for me. I think that the team's talent and poise has allowed Marty to loosen the reins and have faith in the team's ability to play intelligently. Marty-ball seems to be the result of trying to minimize risk, and Rivers has shown great judgement and he doesn't make many bad decisions or bad throws. (I don't think even Kevin Gilbride could have ruined Rivers.) I haven't seen a replay of the playcalling that everyone chastised in the 2nd half of either the Oakland or Baltimore game lately.Cameron's play-calling can be a little confusing, though. At times he looks like a genius and other times you swear Marty-of-old is sending in plays. Cameron says he calls all the plays (but Marty, without a doubt, gives situational input), so I feel more and more confident that the offense won't turtle up with the game on the line. The defense (particularly Castillo) being injured/suspended the past few weeks may end up being the proverbial blessing in disguise. Making the offense carry the load has given the coaches and fans faith in Rivers and the offense in general, and I look forward to seeing the aggressiveness continue after the defense is intact again. If the Chargers falter in the playoffs, I don't think "Martyball" will be the reason.
 
I never have and never will like the Broncos and Chiefs, but I always found it hard to root against the Chargers. It's like trying to be mad at a koala bear or a basket of puppies. They've always been a classy organization.
As a Broncos fan, I also have never hated the Chargers, despite them being a longtime division rival. The Chiefs and Raiders on the other hand... :PSeriously, though, good thread. :thumbup:
 
Right now LaDainian isn't allowing Martyball to happen. On the last drive I don't think they called a single pass and they still managed to pick up 1st downs and the td. I don't know if it was Martyball or not, but it looked to me like he (or Cameron) would have been satisfied with a field goal. I'm not criticising the playcalling on that last drive too much, with 3:00 left you want to keep the clock moving, and since the Broncos didn't stop the Chargers on any of the plays it worked.

I'd like to think the playoff loss to the Jets will be prominent in Marty's thinking should the Chargers make the playoffs.

I'd also like to think the Chargers could play a full 60 minutes instead of turning it on in the second half.

But it's been a great ride so far this season.

 
Is there a better second half team in football right now? Lots of credit is due to the coaching staff for second half adjustments.

SD is, and has been, my SB pick since week 5, when Rivers emerged as the real deal. Once they get Castillo and Merriman back on defense...

BTW, not a SD fan, I'm actually a Niners lover and was at the game this weekend for the Jerry Rice ceremony and the Frank Gore show.

 
As a life long Charger fan I am loving the season so far but if history shows us anything it's that the Chargers can't and don't win the big one. They lost 3 AFC Championships in 4 or 5 years in the late 70s early 80s and had they won any of those games they probably would have won the SB. I will hope against hope that Marty can get this team ready to play if/when they make the playoffs but I know I'd be much happier if he could at least get them to play in the first half of some of these divisional games.

Side note: SD is two defensive stops from being 10-0. Kind of scary.

 
If their defensive players will stop running into troubles with the law they might have a chance.

Yeah, I said it.

 
If their defensive players will stop running into troubles with the law they might have a chance.Yeah, I said it.
I'm glad you did. The OP said that one thing he likes about the Chargers is that they have always been a classy organization. With Foley, Kiel, and Merriman... I'm not sure you can say that about this club this year. It's a shame.
 
"Martyball" is a misnomer in many ways that the term is used. When he's had a good passing offense, he's used it. When his strength has been rushing and defense, he's used that. Take a look at the differences between the 1985 Browns and 1986 Browns teams that he coached, only one year apart of course.

The only common theme I can find on his part is a penchant towards conservative play calling and clock management with a lead, particularly in big games. He's a defensive coach at heart, and I think he retreats into thinking that his most familiar to him at such times. I don't know if that's something that he can overcome, but I'm not one to believe that a leopard can change his spots.

I'm not ruling out his ability to win a Super Bowl, but I think his team will have to win it in spite of him more than because of him when push comes to shove.

 
As a life long Charger fan I am loving the season so far but if history shows us anything it's that the Chargers can't and don't win the big one.
1963 has been omitted from the history books now?
Considering my life long status didn't start until 1967... yes. It's not so much of a what have you done for me lately, for me it's what have you done since that ******* of a father knocked up my mommy?
 
Marty is not the problem in SD...the idiot that decided to opt for Rivers and let go of Brees is the reason the Chargers don't have the trophy.

 
Marty is not the problem in SD...the idiot that decided to opt for Rivers and let go of Brees is the reason the Chargers don't have the trophy.
Didn't Rivers just lead the Chargers to the best record they have had in their entire history? Didn't he win about 5 more games than Brees did last year with virtually the same team?
 
Marty is not the problem in SD...the idiot that decided to opt for Rivers and let go of Brees is the reason the Chargers don't have the trophy.
Didn't Rivers just lead the Chargers to the best record they have had in their entire history? Didn't he win about 5 more games than Brees did last year with virtually the same team?
Don't stir up the LHUCKS anti Rivers rant again. We've all been there, done that all season long. He isn't going to listen to reason. In short, don't take the bait.
 
Marty is not the problem in SD...the idiot that decided to opt for Rivers and let go of Brees is the reason the Chargers don't have the trophy.
I was not in favor of the Brees/Rivers decision.But AJ Smith has made tons of great decisions to make up for that gaff, IMO.
 
Marty is not the problem in SD...the idiot that decided to opt for Rivers and let go of Brees is the reason the Chargers don't have the trophy.
I was not in favor of the Brees/Rivers decision.But AJ Smith has made tons of great decisions to make up for that gaff, IMO.
Rivers played much better in his playoff loss this year when the heat was on against a better team with a seriously messed up foot than Brees did in his under less difficult conditions.A.J. made the right call, subsequent years will continue to give evidence of this.
 
I wish Brees well and think he is a great guy,

but Rivers >>>>>Brees

Brees made so many boneheaded throws, that cost us games.

Rivers seems a better thinker before he makes the same toss

Now lets hope that ankes heals......

 
I wish Brees well and think he is a great guy,but Rivers >>>>>BreesBrees made so many boneheaded throws, that cost us games. Rivers seems a better thinker before he makes the same toss Now lets hope that ankes heals......
I think you are just coming out of the closet with your man love for Rivers and Marty. There ain't no way Rivers is better then Brees.
 
cartel said:
DanFouts said:
I wish Brees well and think he is a great guy,but Rivers >>>>>BreesBrees made so many boneheaded throws, that cost us games. Rivers seems a better thinker before he makes the same toss Now lets hope that ankes heals......
I think you are just coming out of the closet with your man love for Rivers and Marty. There ain't no way Rivers is better then Brees.
Please don't mistake what you have going for C Palmer for me and Rivers..... :thumbup:
 

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