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Question for Sigmund Bloom (1 Viewer)

Why is it that you don't have DT Brodrick Bunkley from Florida State and CB Tye Hill from Clemson in your top 100 draft prospects?

Everywhere I read about these guys show them possibly sneaking into the first round but should go in round 2 for sure.

What gives?

 
Why is it that you don't have DT Brodrick Bunkley from Florida State and CB Tye Hill from Clemson in your top 100 draft prospects?

Everywhere I read about these guys show them possibly sneaking into the first round but should go in round 2 for sure.

What gives?
Both should go no later than 21. Bunkley likely by pick 13.
 
The rookie 100 is talking fantasy for dynasty leagues. Bloom is high (literally) on Hill, and as far as I know fairly sold on Bunkley too. IDP prospects are another story.

 
Bunkley has a very good chance to go in the top 10.
Oh I agree here for sure. I know Buffalo is seriously considering Bunkley at 1.08 but they'll probably go after Winston Justice the RT from USC, IF they don't trade down. I know Bunkley has some character issues but according to Siggy http://footballguys.com/06bloom_rookie100.php both Bunkley and Hill aren't top 100 material. :confused:
I guarantee you Siggy thinks they're both very worthy of first round picks. The Rookie 100 is about fantasy rankings and IDPs aren't getting much love, rightfully so.
 
Bunkley has a very good chance to go in the top 10.
Oh I agree here for sure. I know Buffalo is seriously considering Bunkley at 1.08 but they'll probably go after Winston Justice the RT from USC, IF they don't trade down. I know Bunkley has some character issues but according to Siggy http://footballguys.com/06bloom_rookie100.php both Bunkley and Hill aren't top 100 material. :confused:
I guarantee you Siggy thinks they're both very worthy of first round picks. The Rookie 100 is about fantasy rankings and IDPs aren't getting much love, rightfully so.
Altogether now.... this is a DT and a CBIf you want to draft either position in the top 8 rounds, knock yourself out.

 
It was implied in some other thread that Bunkley might be on the juice. Has anyone heard antyhing about that? If not how do you explain his decline?

I can't

 
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Bunkley has a very good chance to go in the top 10.
Oh I agree here for sure. I know Buffalo is seriously considering Bunkley at 1.08 but they'll probably go after Winston Justice the RT from USC, IF they don't trade down. I know Bunkley has some character issues but according to Siggy http://footballguys.com/06bloom_rookie100.php both Bunkley and Hill aren't top 100 material. :confused:
I guarantee you Siggy thinks they're both very worthy of first round picks. The Rookie 100 is about fantasy rankings and IDPs aren't getting much love, rightfully so.
Altogether now.... this is a DT and a CBIf you want to draft either position in the top 8 rounds, knock yourself out.
Even so Bunkley and Hill have a ton more value than a QB like Ingle Martin at 86 or Marcus Vick at 89 or even S/LB Jon Alston at 91. Bunkley and Hill will play, probably a lot this year compared to Martin and Vick who will only play if the other 2-3 QB's ahead of them in the depth charts all get hurt. Bottom line, this top 100 is flawed.
 
Bunkley has a very good chance to go in the top 10.
Oh I agree here for sure. I know Buffalo is seriously considering Bunkley at 1.08 but they'll probably go after Winston Justice the RT from USC, IF they don't trade down. I know Bunkley has some character issues but according to Siggy http://footballguys.com/06bloom_rookie100.php both Bunkley and Hill aren't top 100 material. :confused:
I guarantee you Siggy thinks they're both very worthy of first round picks. The Rookie 100 is about fantasy rankings and IDPs aren't getting much love, rightfully so.
Altogether now.... this is a DT and a CBIf you want to draft either position in the top 8 rounds, knock yourself out.
Even so Bunkley and Hill have a ton more value than a QB like Ingle Martin at 86 or Marcus Vick at 89 or even S/LB Jon Alston at 91. Bunkley and Hill will play, probably a lot this year compared to Martin and Vick who will only play if the other 2-3 QB's ahead of them in the depth charts all get hurt. Bottom line, this top 100 is flawed.
I couldn't disagree more about Jon Alston. He's a WLB and he's very good. I bet he moves up in the next update. DTs are pretty much an afterthought in IDP leagues (unless they're mandatory,which is rare), so I have no interest in drafting Bunkley, though he'd be welcome on my favorite real team. I'll agree there's a place for Hill in the R100, but very low. CBs are hard to call and not as consistent generating stats as safeties.

Every top 100 is flawed. Every top 20 is flawed. Try mixing in the idea of projecting future fantasy value before the draft and think about how silly your gripe is. It's just for discussion at this juncture. It's a foundation for future projections after the draft. Methinks you protest too much. You cannot find content like that anywhere else on the net.

 
Bunkley has a very good chance to go in the top 10.
Oh I agree here for sure. I know Buffalo is seriously considering Bunkley at 1.08 but they'll probably go after Winston Justice the RT from USC, IF they don't trade down. I know Bunkley has some character issues but according to Siggy http://footballguys.com/06bloom_rookie100.php both Bunkley and Hill aren't top 100 material. :confused:
I guarantee you Siggy thinks they're both very worthy of first round picks. The Rookie 100 is about fantasy rankings and IDPs aren't getting much love, rightfully so.
Altogether now.... this is a DT and a CBIf you want to draft either position in the top 8 rounds, knock yourself out.
Even so Bunkley and Hill have a ton more value than a QB like Ingle Martin at 86 or Marcus Vick at 89 or even S/LB Jon Alston at 91. Bunkley and Hill will play, probably a lot this year compared to Martin and Vick who will only play if the other 2-3 QB's ahead of them in the depth charts all get hurt. Bottom line, this top 100 is flawed.
No, DT's have almost no fantasy value in most leagues. There's Rod Coleman and then there's everyone else.rookie cbs are worth taking a flier on late if they are drafted to be a starter, since they will be picked on, but they aren't worthy of longterm investment unless they are good at returning kicks. There are a ton of dbs that you can find on the waiver wire every week.

 
Bunkley has a very good chance to go in the top 10.
Oh I agree here for sure. I know Buffalo is seriously considering Bunkley at 1.08 but they'll probably go after Winston Justice the RT from USC, IF they don't trade down. I know Bunkley has some character issues but according to Siggy http://footballguys.com/06bloom_rookie100.php both Bunkley and Hill aren't top 100 material. :confused:
I guarantee you Siggy thinks they're both very worthy of first round picks. The Rookie 100 is about fantasy rankings and IDPs aren't getting much love, rightfully so.
Altogether now.... this is a DT and a CBIf you want to draft either position in the top 8 rounds, knock yourself out.
Even so Bunkley and Hill have a ton more value than a QB like Ingle Martin at 86 or Marcus Vick at 89 or even S/LB Jon Alston at 91. Bunkley and Hill will play, probably a lot this year compared to Martin and Vick who will only play if the other 2-3 QB's ahead of them in the depth charts all get hurt. Bottom line, this top 100 is flawed.
No, DT's have almost no fantasy value in most leagues. There's Rod Coleman and then there's everyone else.rookie cbs are worth taking a flier on late if they are drafted to be a starter, since they will be picked on, but they aren't worthy of longterm investment unless they are good at returning kicks. There are a ton of dbs that you can find on the waiver wire every week.
I'm in 2 leagues (one with Bloom) where DT is mandatory, and I highly doubt I consider Bunkley, or any DT, until well after pick #50. In a league where DT isn't required? He'll be on the wire in most of those leagues. He should be able to generate a better pass rush than many DTs, but well below Coleman, Henderson, etc. Consider the value of Tommie Harris in your league, and subtract a fair bit from that.CB is also mandatory in those leagues, and while I generally avoid drafting them, Hill is a guy I have my eye on (partly because he's one of the targets for the Chiefs @ 1.20). His speed is truly impressive. His comparison may be DeAngelo Hall at best, although if he lands in the right system, he'd rise a bit.

 
The rookie 100 is talking fantasy for dynasty leagues. Bloom is high (literally) on Hill, and as far as I know fairly sold on Bunkley too. IDP prospects are another story.
Did he smoke Tye Hill, snort him, or inject him?
 
Thanks everyone for jumping in, Im just going to echo what y'all said. I have a very strong minimal IDP strategy in rookie drafts, and my rankings reflect this. Everyone pretty much hit in on the head. DT and CB are nearly worthless positions in rookie drafts, even in leagues where they are broken out. In every IDP dynasty league I am in, I have been able to get top 20 CBs and DTs from the waiver wire consistently (last year my favorites were Vonnie Holliday, Shawntae Spencer and Ike Taylor). Unless you are sure a guy is the next Rod Coleman/John Henderson/Kevin Williams/Ronde Barber/Dunta Robinson, you are wasting your pick on these guys. I highly recommend using your late picks on longshot offensive players because the payoff is HUGE if you hit. I guarantee that if you want to drop Ingle Martin in August, you will find a CB as good as Hill (for fantasy) or DT as good as Bunkley (for fantasy) on your waiver wire to replace him with.

I understand if your philosophy differs and youd rather take a good CB or DT with your late picks than get an offensive lottery ticket. Its a valid strategy, just not the one I use. For reference - I did rank the CBs from last year's draft in the top 100. For now, with no draft destinations known, its hard to rank those guys. Once some of the offensive longshots go undrafted, they may crack the 100.

 
Bunkley has a very good chance to go in the top 10.
Oh I agree here for sure. I know Buffalo is seriously considering Bunkley at 1.08 but they'll probably go after Winston Justice the RT from USC, IF they don't trade down. I know Bunkley has some character issues but according to Siggy http://footballguys.com/06bloom_rookie100.php both Bunkley and Hill aren't top 100 material. :confused:
I use to hang out with Broad when I went to FSU, we would usually play Halo a few times a week either at my house or some other dudes. We quit hanging out when Halo 2 came out even though I was in his clan (beat#####esass), we just kind of quit plaing. I wouldn't really say he has any character issues, he pretty much would just practice/ work out then relax and play video games. The stealing thing was just an immature thing, he was only like 19 or 20 at the time. Everybody has done something stupid at that age :yes:
 
Hey Bloom,

Hope you don't mind me asking, but am I missing Darrell Hackney and Wali Lundy on your list or they not there?

 
Hey Bloom,

Hope you don't mind me asking, but am I missing Darrell Hackney and Wali Lundy on your list or they not there?
Hackney has a big arm but his accuracy issues in the postseason really dropped him on my board, below the complete project guys like Jackson and Nealy. Lundy I watched for two days at EW Shrine practices and walked away completely unimpressed. He seems to have no "suddenness" and was very tentative hitting the hole. he does have a good NFL RB body type and measureables, but Im down on him. I dont even think he's in my top 20 RBs.

Of course, the draft will totally blow up the 100, it will be dramatically different in May.

 
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Also, on the original question, in my defense, I do put Hill and Bunkley in the "knocking on the door" section and say that players in the 100-130/140 range deserve a mention in the 100, but there's just not room for everyone.

 
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Hey Bloom,

Hope you don't mind me asking, but am I missing Darrell Hackney and Wali Lundy on your list or they not there?
Hackney has a big arm but his accuracy issues in the postseason really dropped him on my board, below the complete project guys like Jackson and Nealy. Lundy I watched for two days at EW Shrine practices and walked away completely unimpressed. He seems to have no "suddenness" and was very tentative hitting the hole. he does have a good NFL RB body type and measureables, but Im down on him. I dont even think he's in my top 20 RBs.

Of course, the draft will totally blow up the 100, it will be dramatically different in May.
Great, thanks for the answer! Didn't see Lundy much in the Shrine, but I wasn't that impressed with Hackney in the Senior Bowl practices.
 
By the way, I completely welcome these kinds of questions. PLEASE ask me about guys that arent in the 100, or why I ranked X over Y (although, ill warn you that my opinions have continued to change since press time for the pro day version and i might agree with you that I had someone wrong). The point of the rookie 100 pre-draft is to spur discussion for those that know the rookie class, help those that dont know the class start to get the big picture , and help out anyone that has pre-draft rookie drafts.

 
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By the way, I completely welcome these kinds of questions. PLEASE ask me about guys that arent in the 100, or why I ranked X over Y (although, ill warn you that my opinions have continued to change since press time for the pro day version and i might agree with you that I had someone wrong). The point of the rookie 100 pre-draft is to spur discussion for those that know the rookie class, help those that dont know the class start to get the big picture , and help out anyone that has pre-draft rookie drafts.
:thumbup: Wish everyone was this cool when asked "why" about something they put in writing ....
 
By the way, I completely welcome these kinds of questions. PLEASE ask me about guys that arent in the 100, or why I ranked X over Y (although, ill warn you that my opinions have continued to change since press time for the pro day version and i might agree with you that I had someone wrong). The point of the rookie 100 pre-draft is to spur discussion for those that know the rookie class, help those that dont know the class start to get the big picture , and help out anyone that has pre-draft rookie drafts.
Thank you for doing so (no only to you, but for all that post diverse rankings) it is very hepful and appreciated by us, less knowledgable FFers... :thumbup: If you don't mind me asking (even though if it's not related to the subject here)... where do you stand on Mario Williams?...

Let me explain, I'm playing in the salary cap [DYNASTY] league in the signature... that is only rewarding points for sacks (6) or interceptions (8) for IDP players... and since the salary of those guys is small comparatively to their offensive counterparts (i.e. Freeney goes for 20$ while Holt goes for 43$) and deservely so (considering the points scored year-in, year-out)... it is nearly impossible to get a sack artist through trades - those having the Strahanes, Pepperses, Freeneyes and Taylores of the world don't move them...

Because of this, I'm looking to pick Mario at the 1.11 spot... (very doubtful that he will be there at 2.12 - since Ware went 2.03 and James went 2.06 last year)... Is he worth that kind of gamble?... are the Peppers comparisons fair enough? will he be an NFL sack artist constantly?...

Or, would you just get the best offensive player available at 1.11 and try and snatch the best sack artist left at 2.12 (Wimbley, Kiwanuka, Lawson or else)...

(At 1.11, offensive guys might be Cutler / Calhoun / Drew / Norwood / Moss ?)

Please advise - any thoughts, from anyone, are welcome...

 
There's Rod Coleman and then there's everyone else.
i guess you are just gonna forget about the Year Orpheus Roye just had and also ignore what John Henderson has done too :shrug:
 
  There's Rod Coleman and then there's everyone else.
i guess you are just gonna forget about the Year Orpheus Roye just had and also ignore what John Henderson has done too :shrug:
Roye is not really a DT and it bugs me that MFL lists him incorrectly. Hendo is the man, and #1 in leagues that dont weigh sacks too heavily. Kevin Williams will rejoin the elite this year, im sure of it.
 
There's Rod Coleman and then there's everyone else.
i guess you are just gonna forget about the Year Orpheus Roye just had and also ignore what John Henderson has done too :shrug:
Roye is not really a DT and it bugs me that MFL lists him incorrectly. Hendo is the man, and #1 in leagues that dont weigh sacks too heavily. Kevin Williams will rejoin the elite this year, im sure of it.
i agree with you on williams
 
Bunkley and Hill would probably make my top 100, but not by much and I can't fault someone else for not including them given their positions. If you play in a league that requires DT and CB specifically, their value obviously increases a bit.

 
How about Kamerion Wimbley? Kiper was high on him making an immediate impact.
50(64). Kamerion Wimbley, DE/OLB, Florida St - This tweener is not quite the freakish athlete that Manny Lawson is, but he's got good pass rush skills and should be productive in a 3-4 scheme. He had a good Senior Bowl and will go on the first day, limitations of 3-4 OLB stats keeps him lower on this list. Kamerion had a good combine, and mostly stood on those numbers at his pro day.
 
By the way, I completely welcome these kinds of questions. PLEASE ask me about guys that arent in the 100, or why I ranked X over Y (although, ill warn you that my opinions have continued to change since press time for the pro day version and i might agree with you that I had someone wrong). The point of the rookie 100 pre-draft is to spur discussion for those that know the rookie class, help those that dont know the class start to get the big picture , and help out anyone that has pre-draft rookie drafts.
Thank you for doing so (no only to you, but for all that post diverse rankings) it is very hepful and appreciated by us, less knowledgable FFers... :thumbup: If you don't mind me asking (even though if it's not related to the subject here)... where do you stand on Mario Williams?...

Let me explain, I'm playing in the salary cap [DYNASTY] league in the signature... that is only rewarding points for sacks (6) or interceptions (8) for IDP players... and since the salary of those guys is small comparatively to their offensive counterparts (i.e. Freeney goes for 20$ while Holt goes for 43$) and deservely so (considering the points scored year-in, year-out)... it is nearly impossible to get a sack artist through trades - those having the Strahanes, Pepperses, Freeneyes and Taylores of the world don't move them...

Because of this, I'm looking to pick Mario at the 1.11 spot... (very doubtful that he will be there at 2.12 - since Ware went 2.03 and James went 2.06 last year)... Is he worth that kind of gamble?... are the Peppers comparisons fair enough? will he be an NFL sack artist constantly?...

Or, would you just get the best offensive player available at 1.11 and try and snatch the best sack artist left at 2.12 (Wimbley, Kiwanuka, Lawson or else)...

(At 1.11, offensive guys might be Cutler / Calhoun / Drew / Norwood / Moss ?)

Please advise - any thoughts, from anyone, are welcome...
anyone?
 
There's Rod Coleman and then there's everyone else.
i guess you are just gonna forget about the Year Orpheus Roye just had and also ignore what John Henderson has done too :shrug:
well, obviously, yes, I am. :) But I think you get the gist of my over-assertion. There are very few fantasy DTs to depend on week in and week out. Depending on the scoring and positional requirements, drafting a rookie DT late might be worth it, but mostly nothing will come out of it.

fwiw, I think Glover might have a good year as a DT now that he is back to his natural position in the 4-3.

 
By the way, I completely welcome these kinds of questions. PLEASE ask me about guys that arent in the 100, or why I ranked X over Y (although, ill warn you that my opinions have continued to change since press time for the pro day version and i might agree with you that I had someone wrong). The point of the rookie 100 pre-draft is to spur discussion for those that know the rookie class, help those that dont know the class start to get the big picture , and help out anyone that has pre-draft rookie drafts.
Thank you for doing so (no only to you, but for all that post diverse rankings) it is very hepful and appreciated by us, less knowledgable FFers... :thumbup: If you don't mind me asking (even though if it's not related to the subject here)... where do you stand on Mario Williams?...

Let me explain, I'm playing in the salary cap [DYNASTY] league in the signature... that is only rewarding points for sacks (6) or interceptions (8) for IDP players... and since the salary of those guys is small comparatively to their offensive counterparts (i.e. Freeney goes for 20$ while Holt goes for 43$) and deservely so (considering the points scored year-in, year-out)... it is nearly impossible to get a sack artist through trades - those having the Strahanes, Pepperses, Freeneyes and Taylores of the world don't move them...

Because of this, I'm looking to pick Mario at the 1.11 spot... (very doubtful that he will be there at 2.12 - since Ware went 2.03 and James went 2.06 last year)... Is he worth that kind of gamble?... are the Peppers comparisons fair enough? will he be an NFL sack artist constantly?...

Or, would you just get the best offensive player available at 1.11 and try and snatch the best sack artist left at 2.12 (Wimbley, Kiwanuka, Lawson or else)...

(At 1.11, offensive guys might be Cutler / Calhoun / Drew / Norwood / Moss ?)

Please advise - any thoughts, from anyone, are welcome...
anyone?
given the background that you just stated I would consider Mario a viable option at the 1.11. Normally I would't, but the dude is a freak and could easily be a top 10 DE for the next decade. I myself am strongly considering him in the 2nd round even though I am relatively set at DE.
 
By the way, I completely welcome these kinds of questions. PLEASE ask me about guys that arent in the 100, or why I ranked X over Y (although, ill warn you that my opinions have continued to change since press time for the pro day version and i might agree with you that I had someone wrong). The point of the rookie 100 pre-draft is to spur discussion for those that know the rookie class, help those that dont know the class start to get the big picture , and help out anyone that has pre-draft rookie drafts.
Thank you for doing so (no only to you, but for all that post diverse rankings) it is very hepful and appreciated by us, less knowledgable FFers... :thumbup: If you don't mind me asking (even though if it's not related to the subject here)... where do you stand on Mario Williams?...

Let me explain, I'm playing in the salary cap [DYNASTY] league in the signature... that is only rewarding points for sacks (6) or interceptions (8) for IDP players... and since the salary of those guys is small comparatively to their offensive counterparts (i.e. Freeney goes for 20$ while Holt goes for 43$) and deservely so (considering the points scored year-in, year-out)... it is nearly impossible to get a sack artist through trades - those having the Strahanes, Pepperses, Freeneyes and Taylores of the world don't move them...

Because of this, I'm looking to pick Mario at the 1.11 spot... (very doubtful that he will be there at 2.12 - since Ware went 2.03 and James went 2.06 last year)... Is he worth that kind of gamble?... are the Peppers comparisons fair enough? will he be an NFL sack artist constantly?...

Or, would you just get the best offensive player available at 1.11 and try and snatch the best sack artist left at 2.12 (Wimbley, Kiwanuka, Lawson or else)...

(At 1.11, offensive guys might be Cutler / Calhoun / Drew / Norwood / Moss ?)

Please advise - any thoughts, from anyone, are welcome...
anyone?
given the background that you just stated I would consider Mario a viable option at the 1.11. Normally I would't, but the dude is a freak and could easily be a top 10 DE for the next decade. I myself am strongly considering him in the 2nd round even though I am relatively set at DE.
Exactly the info I was looking for... I just don't want to grab him with the 1.11 pick... to see that 4 years down the road, he's a 6sacks/year kind of guy... I'm trying to project him long term... if he's a constant 10+sack guy - he's worth the 1.11 - given that league background...anyone else? someone thinks otherwise?

 
By the way, I completely welcome these kinds of questions. PLEASE ask me about guys that arent in the 100, or why I ranked X over Y (although, ill warn you that my opinions have continued to change since press time for the pro day version and i might agree with you that I had someone wrong). The point of the rookie 100 pre-draft is to spur discussion for those that know the rookie class, help those that dont know the class start to get the big picture , and help out anyone that has pre-draft rookie drafts.
Thank you for doing so (no only to you, but for all that post diverse rankings) it is very hepful and appreciated by us, less knowledgable FFers... :thumbup: If you don't mind me asking (even though if it's not related to the subject here)... where do you stand on Mario Williams?...

Let me explain, I'm playing in the salary cap [DYNASTY] league in the signature... that is only rewarding points for sacks (6) or interceptions (8) for IDP players... and since the salary of those guys is small comparatively to their offensive counterparts (i.e. Freeney goes for 20$ while Holt goes for 43$) and deservely so (considering the points scored year-in, year-out)... it is nearly impossible to get a sack artist through trades - those having the Strahanes, Pepperses, Freeneyes and Taylores of the world don't move them...

Because of this, I'm looking to pick Mario at the 1.11 spot... (very doubtful that he will be there at 2.12 - since Ware went 2.03 and James went 2.06 last year)... Is he worth that kind of gamble?... are the Peppers comparisons fair enough? will he be an NFL sack artist constantly?...

Or, would you just get the best offensive player available at 1.11 and try and snatch the best sack artist left at 2.12 (Wimbley, Kiwanuka, Lawson or else)...

(At 1.11, offensive guys might be Cutler / Calhoun / Drew / Norwood / Moss ?)

Please advise - any thoughts, from anyone, are welcome...
anyone?
given the background that you just stated I would consider Mario a viable option at the 1.11. Normally I would't, but the dude is a freak and could easily be a top 10 DE for the next decade. I myself am strongly considering him in the 2nd round even though I am relatively set at DE.
Exactly the info I was looking for... I just don't want to grab him with the 1.11 pick... to see that 4 years down the road, he's a 6sacks/year kind of guy... I'm trying to project him long term... if he's a constant 10+sack guy - he's worth the 1.11 - given that league background...anyone else? someone thinks otherwise?
He's the best DE prospect since Julius Peppers. I'd probably trade down though. I figure, 5 RBs, 3 QBs, 1 TE and probably 2 WRs will be worth more than mario, even in your set up. Now, if you're stacked at those positions, you won't go wrong with Mario.

 
By the way, I completely welcome these kinds of questions. PLEASE ask me about guys that arent in the 100, or why I ranked X over Y (although, ill warn you that my opinions have continued to change since press time for the pro day version and i might agree with you that I had someone wrong). The point of the rookie 100 pre-draft is to spur discussion for those that know the rookie class, help those that dont know the class start to get the big picture , and help out anyone that has pre-draft rookie drafts.
Thank you for doing so (no only to you, but for all that post diverse rankings) it is very hepful and appreciated by us, less knowledgable FFers... :thumbup: If you don't mind me asking (even though if it's not related to the subject here)... where do you stand on Mario Williams?...

Let me explain, I'm playing in the salary cap [DYNASTY] league in the signature... that is only rewarding points for sacks (6) or interceptions (8) for IDP players... and since the salary of those guys is small comparatively to their offensive counterparts (i.e. Freeney goes for 20$ while Holt goes for 43$) and deservely so (considering the points scored year-in, year-out)... it is nearly impossible to get a sack artist through trades - those having the Strahanes, Pepperses, Freeneyes and Taylores of the world don't move them...

Because of this, I'm looking to pick Mario at the 1.11 spot... (very doubtful that he will be there at 2.12 - since Ware went 2.03 and James went 2.06 last year)... Is he worth that kind of gamble?... are the Peppers comparisons fair enough? will he be an NFL sack artist constantly?...

Or, would you just get the best offensive player available at 1.11 and try and snatch the best sack artist left at 2.12 (Wimbley, Kiwanuka, Lawson or else)...

(At 1.11, offensive guys might be Cutler / Calhoun / Drew / Norwood / Moss ?)

Please advise - any thoughts, from anyone, are welcome...
anyone?
given the background that you just stated I would consider Mario a viable option at the 1.11. Normally I would't, but the dude is a freak and could easily be a top 10 DE for the next decade. I myself am strongly considering him in the 2nd round even though I am relatively set at DE.
Exactly the info I was looking for... I just don't want to grab him with the 1.11 pick... to see that 4 years down the road, he's a 6sacks/year kind of guy... I'm trying to project him long term... if he's a constant 10+sack guy - he's worth the 1.11 - given that league background...anyone else? someone thinks otherwise?
He's the best DE prospect since Julius Peppers. I'd probably trade down though. I figure, 5 RBs, 3 QBs, 1 TE and probably 2 WRs will be worth more than mario, even in your set up. Now, if you're stacked at those positions, you won't go wrong with Mario.
Thanks for the reply -OZ- ... as usual, helpful insight on your part...I already traded down with that in mind... I had the 1.08 pick... but was able to get Ben Watson and Dunta Robinson (to back up Heap and TDavis) in order to trade down to the 1.11...

I think Super Mario is worth the gamble (unless picked by the Saints?)... getting a constant 10+sack guy in our league is money in the bank... probably help me more than say Norwood or Drew (that would be bye fill-ins behind Portis, Edge and Dillon)...

We'll see!

 
By the way, I completely welcome these kinds of questions. PLEASE ask me about guys that arent in the 100, or why I ranked X over Y (although, ill warn you that my opinions have continued to change since press time for the pro day version and i might agree with you that I had someone wrong). The point of the rookie 100 pre-draft is to spur discussion for those that know the rookie class, help those that dont know the class start to get the big picture , and help out anyone that has pre-draft rookie drafts.
Thank you for doing so (no only to you, but for all that post diverse rankings) it is very hepful and appreciated by us, less knowledgable FFers... :thumbup: If you don't mind me asking (even though if it's not related to the subject here)... where do you stand on Mario Williams?...

Let me explain, I'm playing in the salary cap [DYNASTY] league in the signature... that is only rewarding points for sacks (6) or interceptions (8) for IDP players... and since the salary of those guys is small comparatively to their offensive counterparts (i.e. Freeney goe

s for 20$ while Holt goes for 43$) and deservely so (considering the points scored year-in, year-out)... it is nearly impossible to get a sack artist through trades - those having the Strahanes, Pepperses, Freeneyes and Taylores of the world don't move them...

Because of this, I'm looking to pick Mario at the 1.11 spot... (very doubtful that he will be there at 2.12 - since Ware went 2.03 and James went 2.06 last year)... Is he worth that kind of gamble?... are the Peppers comparisons fair enough? will he be an NFL sack artist constantly?...

Or, would you just get the best offensive player available at 1.11 and try and snatch the best sack artist left at 2.12 (Wimbley, Kiwanuka, Lawson or else)...

(At 1.11, offensive guys might be Cutler / Calhoun / Drew / Norwood / Moss ?)

Please advise - any thoughts, from anyone, are welcome...
anyone?
he's worth that pick in that format. no DE has had his kind of potential since Peppers.edit to add: just realized OZ beat me to it.

 
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By the way, I completely welcome these kinds of questions. PLEASE ask me about guys that arent in the 100, or why I ranked X over Y (although, ill warn you that my opinions have continued to change since press time for the pro day version and i might agree with you that I had someone wrong). The point of the rookie 100 pre-draft is to spur discussion for those that know the rookie class, help those that dont know the class start to get the big picture , and help out anyone that has pre-draft rookie drafts.
Thank you for doing so (no only to you, but for all that post diverse rankings) it is very hepful and appreciated by us, less knowledgable FFers... :thumbup: If you don't mind me asking (even though if it's not related to the subject here)... where do you stand on Mario Williams?...

Let me explain, I'm playing in the salary cap [DYNASTY] league in the signature... that is only rewarding points for sacks (6) or interceptions (8) for IDP players... and since the salary of those guys is small comparatively to their offensive counterparts (i.e. Freeney goe

s for 20$ while Holt goes for 43$) and deservely so (considering the points scored year-in, year-out)... it is nearly impossible to get a sack artist through trades - those having the Strahanes, Pepperses, Freeneyes and Taylores of the world don't move them...

Because of this, I'm looking to pick Mario at the 1.11 spot... (very doubtful that he will be there at 2.12 - since Ware went 2.03 and James went 2.06 last year)... Is he worth that kind of gamble?... are the Peppers comparisons fair enough? will he be an NFL sack artist constantly?...

Or, would you just get the best offensive player available at 1.11 and try and snatch the best sack artist left at 2.12 (Wimbley, Kiwanuka, Lawson or else)...

(At 1.11, offensive guys might be Cutler / Calhoun / Drew / Norwood / Moss ?)

Please advise - any thoughts, from anyone, are welcome...
anyone?
he's worth that pick in that format. no DE has had his kind of potential since Peppers.edit to add: just realized OZ beat me to it.
Thanks again... I wanted confirmation to make sure the Peppers comparisons were fair to Super Mario...Now, let's wait and see if he lands in New Orleans or in the Big Apple (assuming Leinart goes to Tennessee)... please make it the latter...

 
By the way, I completely welcome these kinds of questions. PLEASE ask me about guys that arent in the 100, or why I ranked X over Y (although, ill warn you that my opinions have continued to change since press time for the pro day version and i might agree with you that I had someone wrong). The point of the rookie 100 pre-draft is to spur discussion for those that know the rookie class, help those that dont know the class start to get the big picture , and help out anyone that has pre-draft rookie drafts.
Thank you for doing so (no only to you, but for all that post diverse rankings) it is very hepful and appreciated by us, less knowledgable FFers... :thumbup: If you don't mind me asking (even though if it's not related to the subject here)... where do you stand on Mario Williams?...

Let me explain, I'm playing in the salary cap [DYNASTY] league in the signature... that is only rewarding points for sacks (6) or interceptions (8) for IDP players... and since the salary of those guys is small comparatively to their offensive counterparts (i.e. Freeney goe

s for 20$ while Holt goes for 43$) and deservely so (considering the points scored year-in, year-out)... it is nearly impossible to get a sack artist through trades - those having the Strahanes, Pepperses, Freeneyes and Taylores of the world don't move them...

Because of this, I'm looking to pick Mario at the 1.11 spot... (very doubtful that he will be there at 2.12 - since Ware went 2.03 and James went 2.06 last year)... Is he worth that kind of gamble?... are the Peppers comparisons fair enough? will he be an NFL sack artist constantly?...

Or, would you just get the best offensive player available at 1.11 and try and snatch the best sack artist left at 2.12 (Wimbley, Kiwanuka, Lawson or else)...

(At 1.11, offensive guys might be Cutler / Calhoun / Drew / Norwood / Moss ?)

Please advise - any thoughts, from anyone, are welcome...
anyone?
he's worth that pick in that format. no DE has had his kind of potential since Peppers.edit to add: just realized OZ beat me to it.
Thanks again... I wanted confirmation to make sure the Peppers comparisons were fair to Super Mario...Now, let's wait and see if he lands in New Orleans or in the Big Apple (assuming Leinart goes to Tennessee)... please make it the latter...
I think New Orleans is very unlikely. Don't get too excited if he goes to the Jets. Mangini is going to run a 3-4/4-3 hybrid and Williams might used the same way Richard Seymour is used in New England, burying his inside the tackles on some downs. For the NFL, this doesnt impact his value at all, because he's got the rare size and athleticism to be excellent anywhere on the defensive line. For fantasy, it would put a dent in his sack opportunities.
 
Now don't go and play devil's advocate! :P

Assuming Super Mario goes to the Big Apple... and, at first, his sack opportunities are rare... would you consider drafting someone else (later in the draft obvisouly) for sacks only... a tweener ala Wimbley or Lawson?... or Kiwanuka someone else?

I know, alot depends on where they will end up and the system there... but based on pure talent, rush moves translating to the NFL... anyone in particular?

 
Now don't go and play devil's advocate! :P

Assuming Super Mario goes to the Big Apple... and, at first, his sack opportunities are rare... would you consider drafting someone else (later in the draft obvisouly) for sacks only... a tweener ala Wimbley or Lawson?... or Kiwanuka someone else?

I know, alot depends on where they will end up and the system there... but based on pure talent, rush moves translating to the NFL... anyone in particular?
Williams is still the best bet from this class to be a top sack artist. Lawson would be very interesting opposite Ware in Dallas. Which head of that Hydra do you try to cut off? Wimbley is another good pass rusher that could put up big sack numbers in a 3-4 scheme. One great sleeper is James Wyche, a DE from Syracuse who is built too thin to be a force in the running game, but has a lightning first step. He was unstoppable in the east west shrine game.
 
Now don't go and play devil's advocate! :P

Assuming Super Mario goes to the Big Apple... and, at first, his sack opportunities are rare... would you consider drafting someone else (later in the draft obvisouly) for sacks only... a tweener ala Wimbley or Lawson?... or Kiwanuka someone else?

I know, alot depends on where they will end up and the system there... but based on pure talent, rush moves translating to the NFL... anyone in particular?
Williams is still the best bet from this class to be a top sack artist. Lawson would be very interesting opposite Ware in Dallas. Which head of that Hydra do you try to cut off? Wimbley is another good pass rusher that could put up big sack numbers in a 3-4 scheme. One great sleeper is James Wyche, a DE from Syracuse who is built too thin to be a force in the running game, but has a lightning first step. He was unstoppable in the east west shrine game.
Once again... timely and precise information...No wonder why you guys have me hooked here...

Thanks Bloom!

:thumbup:

 
Since I asked the original question about where were Bunkley and Hill were on the top 100, I looked at last year, trying to get the same scenario. Here's what I found........

DL Luis Castillo drafted in round 1 by SD. His stats last year were 37 tackles and 3.5 sacks.

CB Fabian Washington drafted in round 1 by Oakland. His stats were 40 tackles, 0 sacks, 0 picks and 5 PD's.

CB Marlin Jackson drafted in round 1 by Indy. His stats were 38 tackles, 0 sacks, 1 pick and 4 PD's.

So while these numbers are very weak, compare them to some QB's who were drafted late in the 6th and 7th round last year.

QB Derek Anderson, Oregon, ZERO stats.

QB James Killianm Tulsa, ZERO stats.

QB Matt Cassel, USC, 168 yards and 2 TDs

QB Ryan Fitzpatrick, Harv, 777 yards and 4 TD.

So like I was trying to say originally, some of these QB's that Siggy has listed near the bottom of his top 100 are REALLY a crap shoot while the top DT and some of the top 5 CB's are more worthy and even more safe to consider. Fitzpatrick only played because of Bulger got hurt and Martin sucked.

Bottom line, I guess it's more of the type of risk you are willing to take on the top 1-2 DT or 1-2 CB or the 12th-13th QB.

 
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By the way, I completely welcome these kinds of questions. PLEASE ask me about guys that arent in the 100, or why I ranked X over Y (although, ill warn you that my opinions have continued to change since press time for the pro day version and i might agree with you that I had someone wrong). The point of the rookie 100 pre-draft is to spur discussion for those that know the rookie class, help those that dont know the class start to get the big picture , and help out anyone that has pre-draft rookie drafts.
Thank you for doing so (no only to you, but for all that post diverse rankings) it is very hepful and appreciated by us, less knowledgable FFers... :thumbup: If you don't mind me asking (even though if it's not related to the subject here)... where do you stand on Mario Williams?...

Let me explain, I'm playing in the salary cap [DYNASTY] league in the signature... that is only rewarding points for sacks (6) or interceptions (8) for IDP players... and since the salary of those guys is small comparatively to their offensive counterparts (i.e. Freeney goes for 20$ while Holt goes for 43$) and deservely so (considering the points scored year-in, year-out)... it is nearly impossible to get a sack artist through trades - those having the Strahanes, Pepperses, Freeneyes and Taylores of the world don't move them...

Because of this, I'm looking to pick Mario at the 1.11 spot... (very doubtful that he will be there at 2.12 - since Ware went 2.03 and James went 2.06 last year)... Is he worth that kind of gamble?... are the Peppers comparisons fair enough? will he be an NFL sack artist constantly?...

Or, would you just get the best offensive player available at 1.11 and try and snatch the best sack artist left at 2.12 (Wimbley, Kiwanuka, Lawson or else)...

(At 1.11, offensive guys might be Cutler / Calhoun / Drew / Norwood / Moss ?)

Please advise - any thoughts, from anyone, are welcome...
anyone?
given the background that you just stated I would consider Mario a viable option at the 1.11. Normally I would't, but the dude is a freak and could easily be a top 10 DE for the next decade. I myself am strongly considering him in the 2nd round even though I am relatively set at DE.
Exactly the info I was looking for... I just don't want to grab him with the 1.11 pick... to see that 4 years down the road, he's a 6sacks/year kind of guy... I'm trying to project him long term... if he's a constant 10+sack guy - he's worth the 1.11 - given that league background...anyone else? someone thinks otherwise?
He's the best DE prospect since Julius Peppers. I'd probably trade down though. I figure, 5 RBs, 3 QBs, 1 TE and probably 2 WRs will be worth more than mario, even in your set up. Now, if you're stacked at those positions, you won't go wrong with Mario.
Thanks for the reply -OZ- ... as usual, helpful insight on your part...I already traded down with that in mind... I had the 1.08 pick... but was able to get Ben Watson and Dunta Robinson (to back up Heap and TDavis) in order to trade down to the 1.11...

I think Super Mario is worth the gamble (unless picked by the Saints?)... getting a constant 10+sack guy in our league is money in the bank... probably help me more than say Norwood or Drew (that would be bye fill-ins behind Portis, Edge and Dillon)...

We'll see!
Given your roster, makes complete sense to me. Unless NE drafts a RB outside of the big 4 and he falls to 1.11. You could still go Mario, certainly no problem with the pick.
 
Since I asked the original question about where were Bunkley and Hill were on the top 100, I looked at last year, trying to get the same scenario. Here's what I found........

DL Luis Castillo drafted in round 1 by SD. His stats last year were 37 tackles and 3.5 sacks.

CB Fabian Washington drafted in round 1 by Oakland. His stats were 40 tackles, 0 sacks, 0 picks and 5 PD's.

CB Marlin Jackson drafted in round 1 by Indy. His stats were 38 tackles, 0 sacks, 1 pick and 4 PD's.

So while these numbers are very weak, compare them to some QB's who were drafted late in the 6th and 7th round last year.

QB Derek Anderson, Oregon, ZERO stats.

QB James Killianm Tulsa, ZERO stats.

QB Matt Cassel, USC, 168 yards and 2 TDs

QB Ryan Fitzpatrick, Harv, 777 yards and 4 TD.

So like I was trying to say originally, some of these QB's that Siggy has listed near the bottom of his top 100 are REALLY a crap shoot while the top DT and some of the top 5 CB's are more worthy and even more safe to consider. Fitzpatrick only played because of Bulger got hurt and Martin sucked.

Bottom line, I guess it's more of the type of risk you are willing to take on the top 1-2 DT or 1-2 CB or the 12th-13th QB.
I think this example illustrates my point pretty well. Cassel and Fitzpatrick are the most valuable players you mentioned. I would rather own either of them than any CB or DT from the draft last year. Also, it isnt like I am picking the late round QBs randomly. I touted Fitzpatrick before the draft last year, and was on Cassel as soon as I heard the glowing reports out of NE camp. With a little bit of research you can maximize your chances of cashing in those late picks.
 
Since I asked the original question about where were Bunkley and Hill were on the top 100, I looked at last year, trying to get the same scenario.  Here's what I found........

DL Luis Castillo drafted in round 1 by SD.  His stats last year were 37 tackles and 3.5 sacks.

CB Fabian Washington drafted in round 1 by Oakland.  His stats were 40 tackles, 0 sacks, 0 picks and 5 PD's.

CB Marlin Jackson drafted in round 1 by Indy.  His stats were 38 tackles, 0 sacks, 1 pick and 4 PD's.

So while these numbers are very weak, compare them to some QB's who were drafted late in the 6th and 7th round last year.

QB Derek Anderson, Oregon, ZERO stats.

QB James Killianm Tulsa, ZERO stats.

QB Matt Cassel, USC, 168 yards and 2 TDs

QB Ryan Fitzpatrick, Harv, 777 yards and 4 TD.

So like I was trying to say originally, some of these QB's that Siggy has listed near the bottom of his top 100 are REALLY a crap shoot while the top DT and some of the top 5 CB's are more worthy and even more safe to consider.  Fitzpatrick only played because of Bulger got hurt and Martin sucked. 

Bottom line, I guess it's more of the type of risk you are willing to take on the top 1-2 DT or 1-2 CB or the 12th-13th QB.
I think this example illustrates my point pretty well. Cassel and Fitzpatrick are the most valuable players you mentioned. I would rather own either of them than any CB or DT from the draft last year. Also, it isnt like I am picking the late round QBs randomly. I touted Fitzpatrick before the draft last year, and was on Cassel as soon as I heard the glowing reports out of NE camp. With a little bit of research you can maximize your chances of cashing in those late picks.
Another point about this comparison. With those QBs, specifically Fitzpatrick, their value skyrockets when they actually crack the lineup. In a lot of leagues, you won't find a player with comparable value on the waiver wire at their position. With the DTs and SBs, even if they are starters, there are likely others available on the waiver wire with equal or greater value.The defensive players stats were undoubtedly higher, but it doesn't necessarily equate to higher value.

 
Bunkley has a very good chance to go in the top 10.
Oh I agree here for sure. I know Buffalo is seriously considering Bunkley at 1.08 but they'll probably go after Winston Justice the RT from USC, IF they don't trade down. I know Bunkley has some character issues but according to Siggy http://footballguys.com/06bloom_rookie100.php both Bunkley and Hill aren't top 100 material. :confused:
I guarantee you Siggy thinks they're both very worthy of first round picks. The Rookie 100 is about fantasy rankings and IDPs aren't getting much love, rightfully so.
Altogether now.... this is a DT and a CBIf you want to draft either position in the top 8 rounds, knock yourself out.
Even so Bunkley and Hill have a ton more value than a QB like Ingle Martin at 86 or Marcus Vick at 89 or even S/LB Jon Alston at 91. Bunkley and Hill will play, probably a lot this year compared to Martin and Vick who will only play if the other 2-3 QB's ahead of them in the depth charts all get hurt. Bottom line, this top 100 is flawed.
This is kind of like saying Lorenzo Neal is more valuable in FF than Shawn Bryson or Maurice Morris.
 

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