Quit accusing everyone of racism, xenophobia, naziism(?), and on and on (1 Viewer)

[Amused to Death]

Your country voted a racist into office.. what are you racist?

This game is easy to play. 

I didn't vote for him, so.....and we're not supposed to call his followers "racist".

 

[sho nuff]

Right, thanks for getting on board with the premise of the thread.

Im not...and this isn't a logical reaction either.

 

[matuski]

I didn't vote for him, so.....and we're not supposed to call his followers "racist".

Your country voted him into office.. if your country wasnt racist why did you let a racist win?

 

[sho nuff]

I have successfully countered every false Trump accusation.  Sorry if you can't comprehend facts.

Which false accusation?

 

[matuski]

Im not...and this isn't a logical reaction either.

Now you are getting it, good to see us on the same page tonight. 

 

[GoBirds]

No and stop this trolling.  

Your statement was completely false, do better please.  

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I have successfully countered every false Trump accusation.  Sorry if you can't comprehend facts.

Noon, I really promise you I accept every statement you’ve made, that’s my point. I think your explanation is that Trump knowing that Omar was born elsewhere that he assumed Cortez, Tlaib and Pressley were as well. And that’s your position, right?

 

[sho nuff]

Now you are getting it, good to see us on the same page tonight. 

I get that you have made several false statements and illogical posts to tru and complain about people rightfully pointing out racism.

 

[Amused to Death]

Your country voted him into office.. if your country wasnt racist why did you let a racist win?

Hey, you're starting to come around to how many of us non-Trump guys feel. But again, you shouldn't suggest that his voters are racist. That doesn't fly here. I'm told.

 

[sho nuff]

Your statement was completely false, do better please.  

No...it was spot on and accurate and we have been told we shouldn't just post false and nothing else. So explain how it was false or show it to be so.

 

[Don't Noonan]

Noon, I really promise you I accept every statement you’ve made, that’s my point. I think your explanation is that Trump knowing that Omar was born elsewhere that the Cortez, Tlaib and Pressley were as well. And that’s your position, right?

I think Trump was referencing Omar and lumped in the 3 other crazy progressives.  

 

[zoonation]

You acknowledge that our statements don't make us racist, then use statements as your evidence of a person being racist.  Interesting.

I was being cute.  How would you suggest we identify racism if not by what people say and do?  Or, is your position that we can’t truly know so no big deal?

you may be cool with (and explain away) the leader of the free world thoughtlessly  tweeting racist attacks against congresspeople by convincing yourself he was actually thinking more about the dump he was taking.  I’m not.  I think the normalization of racist rhetoric is dangerous and should be called out.  

 

[matuski]

I get that you have made several false statements and illogical posts to tru and complain about people rightfully pointing out racism.

See, now you are demonstrating a lack of understanding.  Lets quit before you fall too far behind.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Thank you.

We have a much better chance of having a conversation now.

Sorry, this recent tidbit by Trump is pure racism.

 

[zoonation]

I have successfully countered every false Trump accusation.  Sorry if you can't comprehend facts.

I know you think you have.  And I guess, for you, that is good enough.  But I have not seen you articulate a compelling argument in any of these threads.  You mostly beg or outright dodge the question. 

 

[Henry Ford]

A history of statements from people you don't know?

I feel like you don’t understand how public statements work. 

 

[Gary Coal Man]

Only people who make racist statements get accused of it...its not everyone.

So you agree that Nancy Pelosi is racist?

C’mon, man, it’s OK to admit that some people toss out that term more freely than normal people say “hello” to others in the morning.  It’s often used as a defensive mechanism, a club, or a smear rather than an earnest accusation based in reality.

 

[matuski]

I was being cute.  How would you suggest we identify racism if not by what people say and do?  Or, is your position that we can’t truly know so no big deal?

you may be cool with (and explain away) the leader of the free world thoughtlessly  tweeting racist attacks against congresspeople by convincing yourself he was actually thinking more about the dump he was taking.  I’m not.  I think the normalization of racist rhetoric is dangerous and should be called out.  

You mean by what you tiny snippet of a person you don't know says and does that you see?

I'm not cool with a lot of what I see from Trump.  I am not going to let that make me every bit the person I despise in him.  I won't make short sighted, knee jerk reactions based in anger and fear and hatred because I see a tweet.

The result here is a further polarization where the accusation is a lazy first resort instead of productive interaction to understand.

 

[matuski]

Sorry, this recent tidbit by Trump is pure racism.

And there is the leap.

 

[zoonation]

See, now you are demonstrating a lack of understanding.  Lets quit before you fall too far behind.

Wow. Are you this condescending in real life?  Like most of your shtick on this board, you post as though you have some insight into true knowledge that the rest of us don’t.  It is tiresome and transparent.   

 

[GoBirds]

No...it was spot on and accurate and we have been told we shouldn't just post false and nothing else. So explain how it was false or show it to be so.

Posts of yours like the one I quoted are so obviously wrong that no explanation is needed and no one on any side takes them seriously. 

 

[Henry Ford]

You acknowledge that our statements don't make us racist, then use statements as your evidence of a person being racist.  Interesting.

Casts don’t cause damage to your leg but if you have a leg in a cast it’s pretty strong evidence you have damage to that leg. 

 

[matuski]

I feel like you don’t understand how public statements work. 

I feel like you have resorted to condescension as a primary posting form in the last year or so.

It wasn't always the case.

 

[matuski]

Casts don’t cause damage to your leg but if you have a leg in a cast it’s pretty strong evidence you have damage to that leg. 

this one one flat out out made me wake up the wife laughing.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

And there is the leap.

I'm good with whatever that is.  You bring up "racism" and us Americans have a stand-alone lead-dog in the category right now.

Being quiet about it is not an option.

 

[matuski]

Wow. Are you this condescending in real life?  Like most of your shtick on this board, you post as though you have some insight into true knowledge that the rest of us don’t.  It is tiresome and transparent.   

Oh yea.

That is what I'm all about.  

 

[Henry Ford]

I feel like you have resorted to condescension as a primary posting form in the last year or so.

It wasn't always the case.

this one one flat out out made me wake up the wife laughing.

It’s possible you’re projecting. 

 

[zoonation]

You mean by what you tiny snippet of a person you don't know says and does that you see?

I'm not cool with a lot of what I see from Trump.  I am not going to let that make me every bit the person I despise in him.  I won't make short sighted, knee jerk reactions based in anger and fear and hatred because I see a tweet.

The result here is a further polarization where the accusation is a lazy first resort instead of productive interaction to understand.

I don’t know David Duke.  I guess I can’t conclude he is a racist?

Your second paragraph is a mess. 

Your third is more of the condescension I was just talking about.  Yawn.  

 

[Hawkeye21]

Stop calling everyone that dislikes Trump a liberal. Not all of us are liberals.

 

[Henry Ford]

this one one flat out out made me wake up the wife laughing.

Making racist statements doesn’t turn someone into a racist, but it’s pretty strong evidence that one is a racist.

 

[matuski]

Holy #### the dogpile gang is unbelievably consistent, predictable, and relentless.

We have most of them here.  I post here and there, I see a bit of this around, but the 6-12 of you that chase away any dissent here is incredible.

You are almost choreographed at this point.

 

[zoonation]

Oh yea.

That is what I'm all about.  

I know.  This thread and your replies in it leave no doubt. 

 

[matuski]

I don’t know David Duke.  I guess I can’t conclude he is a racist?

Your second paragraph is a mess. 

Your third is more of the condescension I was just talking about.  Yawn.  

Why would you know David Duke if you aren't racist?

 

[matuski]

I know.  This thread and your replies in it leave no doubt. 

Boom.  Back to the premise.

Thank you zoo.

 

[Hawkeye21]

Holy #### the dogpile gang is unbelievably consistent, predictable, and relentless.

We have most of them here.  I post here and there, I see a bit of this around, but the 6-12 of you that chase away any dissent here is incredible.

You are almost choreographed at this point.

Isn’t that exactly what you were looking for when you started this thread? 

 

[matuski]

zoonation being friends with David Duke casts a whole new light on things.

 

[zoonation]

Boom.  Back to the premise.

Thank you zoo.

No problem.  

 

[matuski]

Isn’t that exactly what you were looking for when you started this thread? 

Looking for? No.

Surprised? No.

Nailing the nothing burger has marked me for death among the regulars here.

 

[Henry Ford]

Holy #### the dogpile gang is unbelievably consistent, predictable, and relentless.

We have most of them here.  I post here and there, I see a bit of this around, but the 6-12 of you that chase away any dissent here is incredible.

You are almost choreographed at this point.

You seem very unhappy for someone who believes he is right. 

 

[Henry Ford]

Boom.  Back to the premise.

Thank you zoo.

He’s not saying you’re racist, he’s saying you’re being condescending. 

 

[zoonation]

zoonation being friends with David Duke casts a whole new light on things.

I’ve only heard and read the things he has said.  I have no idea if he is a racist and will not call him one in this forum to promote better dialogue going forward.  

 

[Henry Ford]

Why would you know David Duke if you aren't racist?

Because he’s famous.  He was even a character in an Oscar nominated movie very recently. 

 

[matuski]

I’ve only heard and read the things he has said.  I have no idea if he is a racist and will not call him one in this forum to promote better dialogue going forward.  

You just said you knew him.

 

[matuski]

Because he’s famous.  He was even a character in an Oscar nominated movie very recently. 

So we know all famous people?  Like more than their names?

 

[sho nuff]

You just said you knew him.

Ummm, you sure about that?

 

[Henry Ford]

You just said you knew him.

He said he DOESN’T know him. Did you read the post you quoted?

 

[zoonation]

You just said you knew him.

Wat?

 

[sho nuff]

He said he DOESN’T know him. Did you read the post you quoted?

And then equated that to

zoonation being friends with David Duke casts a whole new light on things.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I think Trump was referencing Omar and lumped in the 3 other crazy progressives. 

I understand this: Trump wanted to point out that Omar - like his wife, MIL & his communist FIL - was not born in this country, and that she should go back to where she came from, and so naturally he lumped in three naturally born lifelong Americans, including one born just a couple miles from his own birth place, because they all shared a far left ideology. Am I saying anything incorrect here?

 

[matuski]

Wat?

Aha!

No you didn't say you don't know him.