Quote Of The Day...Daily Email 8/31/06 (1 Viewer)

[deacon14]

don't see anything wrong with what J said. Pinkston may have bee avg. at best, by no means a great NFL player.

Thanks Q,

-- Eagles coach Andy Reid on recently departed WR Todd Pinkston. At least we think he meant Todd. The "great years" thing sort of threw me.

I don't know how I could have been any more clear on that one. But I gave up a long time ago on thinking I could post stuff like this without someone being offended. J

Hi Joe! I, most certainly, am not suggesting that you ought to worry about offending people when you write something. Lord knows I am opinionated and, at times, confrontational. What I suggested was, given your tonality when others do the exact same thing and are funny about it, you were out of character IMHO. Surely, you recognize that I don't think Todd Pinkston is a GREAT player. I'll totally defend that he had SEVEN GREAT YEARS, as Andy Reid suggested. Your quote here (up top - thanking a guy who says "by no means a great player") and then (below - reiterating you couldn't be any more clear with "great years" in bold) is confusing. Marrying up two totally separate points and that dreaded half quote again. You're very profficient at that tactic. There, I set you up to do it to me again.

Finally, thanks for responding. I appreciate it. Really, in defense of Todd Pinkston. From everything I gather about yourself, your values and your business, Todd Pinkston isn't the kind of player that warrants yet another cheap shot attack. Andy Reid wasn't erroneous or spewing "coach speak" in any way, shape or form. It surprised me when I read it and I felt compelled to write about.

Deac

Hi deac,Sorry if that was confusing. I don't think Pinkston had seven "great years". That's pretty much as deep as it went. Is that really a "cheap shot attack"?

Which years do you think were great for him?

J

Hi Joe, I'll answer your direct question. Will you address my real concerns? Statistically speaking, I don't think you can call any of Todd Pinkston's seasons great. I think you can toss his rookie year (learning the West Coast Offense) and last season (on the sidelines due to injury) as great years. In terms of a valued role player participating as an integral and vital piece of the puzzle on a winning team, I think ALL the years in between were great years. The guy was a serviceable #2. He was a viable deep threat. I don't have the stats right in front of me, but I think he was a top (or very close) the NFL in yards per catch a few years back. He was an underrated blocker and an underrated receiver in traffic. I'm repeating myself on those points. He was a consumate professional, a great teammate, taught the younger receivers, and never drew attention to himself...even when the media begged him too. In the age of "me, me, me" instant gratification, I'd say that is pretty great! I think it's legitimate to also say it was great that he afforded the Eagles the ability to spend the big bux in other areas to build their brand of winning football. You and I both know that there are many little idiosyncrasies that can make an NFL player's (experience with a team) great. So, directly his 2nd through 6th years were great in the context that Reid said it! I'll bet he was a completely dedicated rook and in the 99th percentile, as injured players go, last season (for those years I'll give you as un-great too.)Now, I've made suggestions that you were out of character, boardering on hypocritical, and that your email caught me as surprising. Can you address those? Is it really that imperative to get a two second smirk out of the real "tools" at the expense of a stand up guy like Pinkston? Most of the pile on gang doesn't have a clue about his real value to the Eagles, other than an ESPN highlight or the stats in any paper. I'm all over your "Random Shots." I love it and read it every week. Uh oh, I feel a half quote coming. Kidding... And, for 99.5% of the time now, I enjoyed the quote of the day bit as well.

Again, I'm not saying you can't offend people sometimes. When you're a journalist, it comes with the territory. I'm saying you go out of your way to stop boarders from doing the exact same thing. To me, you just tip-toed on the same chalk lines.

Deac

Hi deac,Thanks. We're saying the same thing then. I don't see how any of his seasons could be called great. Reid said he had seven great seasons. I disagreed.

That's really it. I guess this proves you can always step on someone's toes no matter how lightly you tread but honestly I felt I was being pretty nice there. I didn't say he was terrible. I didn't make fun of the alligator arms. I didn't go to a ton of material that I easily could have. I questioned that he had seven great years.

Apparently most people agree with me.

I try to be cool with people. But I'll never get to the point when I don't question a guy saying Todd Pinkston had seven great years. And I absolutely hope no one here on this board ever holds back questioning a guy that would say Todd Pinkston had seven great years. Disagreeing and discussing is the lifeblood of this board.

Thanks for the discussion though. It's cool you're passionate about the situation.

J

I wouldn't say that we were saying the same thing at all. What I would say is that, in the discussion, I was conceding some things to you. Specifically, Year 1 and Year 7. Unfortunately, you aren't offering any concession whatsoever. In fact, you are spin doctoring me about the real issue here. It's not about Todd Pinkston being great. For me, it's been about Joe Bryant being human and getting called out relative to double standards about what is funny and what is tool factor. I've said it to yah before, it's your board and you don't have to address me. It would have been an even better discussion if you would've.Thanks for noticing the passion about an x-Eagle. Through my life it has been> Wilbert Montgomery, Ron Jaworski, Seth Joyner, Duce Staley, Brian Dawkins and yes Todd Pinkston. He's certainly lowest on the totem pole of GREATness, but a role model as a role player none-the-less.

Thanks again...I'm off to play some softball...playoff style,

Best regards,

Deac

 

[Bizkiteer]

don't see anything wrong with what J said. Pinkston may have bee avg. at best, by no means a great NFL player.

Thanks Q,

-- Eagles coach Andy Reid on recently departed WR Todd Pinkston. At least we think he meant Todd. The "great years" thing sort of threw me.

I don't know how I could have been any more clear on that one. But I gave up a long time ago on thinking I could post stuff like this without someone being offended. J

Hi Joe! I, most certainly, am not suggesting that you ought to worry about offending people when you write something. Lord knows I am opinionated and, at times, confrontational. What I suggested was, given your tonality when others do the exact same thing and are funny about it, you were out of character IMHO. Surely, you recognize that I don't think Todd Pinkston is a GREAT player. I'll totally defend that he had SEVEN GREAT YEARS, as Andy Reid suggested. Your quote here (up top - thanking a guy who says "by no means a great player") and then (below - reiterating you couldn't be any more clear with "great years" in bold) is confusing. Marrying up two totally separate points and that dreaded half quote again. You're very profficient at that tactic. There, I set you up to do it to me again.

Finally, thanks for responding. I appreciate it. Really, in defense of Todd Pinkston. From everything I gather about yourself, your values and your business, Todd Pinkston isn't the kind of player that warrants yet another cheap shot attack. Andy Reid wasn't erroneous or spewing "coach speak" in any way, shape or form. It surprised me when I read it and I felt compelled to write about.

Deac

Hi deac,Sorry if that was confusing. I don't think Pinkston had seven "great years". That's pretty much as deep as it went. Is that really a "cheap shot attack"?

Which years do you think were great for him?

J

Hi Joe, I'll answer your direct question. Will you address my real concerns? Statistically speaking, I don't think you can call any of Todd Pinkston's seasons great. I think you can toss his rookie year (learning the West Coast Offense) and last season (on the sidelines due to injury) as great years. In terms of a valued role player participating as an integral and vital piece of the puzzle on a winning team, I think ALL the years in between were great years. The guy was a serviceable #2. He was a viable deep threat. I don't have the stats right in front of me, but I think he was a top (or very close) the NFL in yards per catch a few years back. He was an underrated blocker and an underrated receiver in traffic. I'm repeating myself on those points. He was a consumate professional, a great teammate, taught the younger receivers, and never drew attention to himself...even when the media begged him too. In the age of "me, me, me" instant gratification, I'd say that is pretty great! I think it's legitimate to also say it was great that he afforded the Eagles the ability to spend the big bux in other areas to build their brand of winning football. You and I both know that there are many little idiosyncrasies that can make an NFL player's (experience with a team) great. So, directly his 2nd through 6th years were great in the context that Reid said it! I'll bet he was a completely dedicated rook and in the 99th percentile, as injured players go, last season (for those years I'll give you as un-great too.)Now, I've made suggestions that you were out of character, boardering on hypocritical, and that your email caught me as surprising. Can you address those? Is it really that imperative to get a two second smirk out of the real "tools" at the expense of a stand up guy like Pinkston? Most of the pile on gang doesn't have a clue about his real value to the Eagles, other than an ESPN highlight or the stats in any paper. I'm all over your "Random Shots." I love it and read it every week. Uh oh, I feel a half quote coming. Kidding... And, for 99.5% of the time now, I enjoyed the quote of the day bit as well.

Again, I'm not saying you can't offend people sometimes. When you're a journalist, it comes with the territory. I'm saying you go out of your way to stop boarders from doing the exact same thing. To me, you just tip-toed on the same chalk lines.

Deac

Hi deac,Thanks. We're saying the same thing then. I don't see how any of his seasons could be called great. Reid said he had seven great seasons. I disagreed.

That's really it. I guess this proves you can always step on someone's toes no matter how lightly you tread but honestly I felt I was being pretty nice there. I didn't say he was terrible. I didn't make fun of the alligator arms. I didn't go to a ton of material that I easily could have. I questioned that he had seven great years.

Apparently most people agree with me.

I try to be cool with people. But I'll never get to the point when I don't question a guy saying Todd Pinkston had seven great years. And I absolutely hope no one here on this board ever holds back questioning a guy that would say Todd Pinkston had seven great years. Disagreeing and discussing is the lifeblood of this board.

Thanks for the discussion though. It's cool you're passionate about the situation.

J

Hi Joe,I'll chip in and say that everything is not measured by stats for NFL teams. Ask almost every team in the NFL who their most valuable player or heart and soul player is and you'd be amazed at the answers. Most time it's not the guy getting all the stats. Thus, it COULD be (notice, caps because I really don't know) that Pinkston meant more to them than his stats did. Maybe it's the clutch catch he made in a game on 3rd down that allowed them to score and win, though it's only a 8 yard catch. It would appear that Andy Reid thought of him highly for reason and coaches don't always make those comments about exitting players.

The point, I believe, deac is trying to make is that he views what you did as the very thing you try and stop on the boards. I really don't care about that issue, but I would say that your response in saying that because others agree with you that it's okay is a very dissappointing. I'm not afraid to tell you that everytime you or Dodds post, people come out to kiss your tail (politeness gets you everywhere). By saying that, you can't judge because others agree with you, they do it because of who you are and not the actual view or topic always. It's kind of like the girl or guy who's in charge of letting people into the VIP section of a club, everyone is their buddy. Again, I have nothing in regards to say about you stating an opinion on a player...this is your site and people pay for you and your staff's opinion. I just expect a much better response than to to get defensive and give a poor excuse of "Apparently most people agree with me," thus it's okay. Disappointed not in your initial comment on Pinkston, but your response to deac.

 

[Joe Bryant]

don't see anything wrong with what J said. Pinkston may have bee avg. at best, by no means a great NFL player.

Thanks Q,

-- Eagles coach Andy Reid on recently departed WR Todd Pinkston. At least we think he meant Todd. The "great years" thing sort of threw me.

I don't know how I could have been any more clear on that one. But I gave up a long time ago on thinking I could post stuff like this without someone being offended. J

Hi Joe! I, most certainly, am not suggesting that you ought to worry about offending people when you write something. Lord knows I am opinionated and, at times, confrontational. What I suggested was, given your tonality when others do the exact same thing and are funny about it, you were out of character IMHO. Surely, you recognize that I don't think Todd Pinkston is a GREAT player. I'll totally defend that he had SEVEN GREAT YEARS, as Andy Reid suggested. Your quote here (up top - thanking a guy who says "by no means a great player") and then (below - reiterating you couldn't be any more clear with "great years" in bold) is confusing. Marrying up two totally separate points and that dreaded half quote again. You're very profficient at that tactic. There, I set you up to do it to me again.

Finally, thanks for responding. I appreciate it. Really, in defense of Todd Pinkston. From everything I gather about yourself, your values and your business, Todd Pinkston isn't the kind of player that warrants yet another cheap shot attack. Andy Reid wasn't erroneous or spewing "coach speak" in any way, shape or form. It surprised me when I read it and I felt compelled to write about.

Deac

Hi deac,Sorry if that was confusing. I don't think Pinkston had seven "great years". That's pretty much as deep as it went. Is that really a "cheap shot attack"?

Which years do you think were great for him?

J

Hi Joe, I'll answer your direct question. Will you address my real concerns? Statistically speaking, I don't think you can call any of Todd Pinkston's seasons great. I think you can toss his rookie year (learning the West Coast Offense) and last season (on the sidelines due to injury) as great years. In terms of a valued role player participating as an integral and vital piece of the puzzle on a winning team, I think ALL the years in between were great years. The guy was a serviceable #2. He was a viable deep threat. I don't have the stats right in front of me, but I think he was a top (or very close) the NFL in yards per catch a few years back. He was an underrated blocker and an underrated receiver in traffic. I'm repeating myself on those points. He was a consumate professional, a great teammate, taught the younger receivers, and never drew attention to himself...even when the media begged him too. In the age of "me, me, me" instant gratification, I'd say that is pretty great! I think it's legitimate to also say it was great that he afforded the Eagles the ability to spend the big bux in other areas to build their brand of winning football. You and I both know that there are many little idiosyncrasies that can make an NFL player's (experience with a team) great. So, directly his 2nd through 6th years were great in the context that Reid said it! I'll bet he was a completely dedicated rook and in the 99th percentile, as injured players go, last season (for those years I'll give you as un-great too.)Now, I've made suggestions that you were out of character, boardering on hypocritical, and that your email caught me as surprising. Can you address those? Is it really that imperative to get a two second smirk out of the real "tools" at the expense of a stand up guy like Pinkston? Most of the pile on gang doesn't have a clue about his real value to the Eagles, other than an ESPN highlight or the stats in any paper. I'm all over your "Random Shots." I love it and read it every week. Uh oh, I feel a half quote coming. Kidding... And, for 99.5% of the time now, I enjoyed the quote of the day bit as well.

Again, I'm not saying you can't offend people sometimes. When you're a journalist, it comes with the territory. I'm saying you go out of your way to stop boarders from doing the exact same thing. To me, you just tip-toed on the same chalk lines.

Deac

Hi deac,Thanks. We're saying the same thing then. I don't see how any of his seasons could be called great. Reid said he had seven great seasons. I disagreed.

That's really it. I guess this proves you can always step on someone's toes no matter how lightly you tread but honestly I felt I was being pretty nice there. I didn't say he was terrible. I didn't make fun of the alligator arms. I didn't go to a ton of material that I easily could have. I questioned that he had seven great years.

Apparently most people agree with me.

I try to be cool with people. But I'll never get to the point when I don't question a guy saying Todd Pinkston had seven great years. And I absolutely hope no one here on this board ever holds back questioning a guy that would say Todd Pinkston had seven great years. Disagreeing and discussing is the lifeblood of this board.

Thanks for the discussion though. It's cool you're passionate about the situation.

J

Hi Joe,I'll chip in and say that everything is not measured by stats for NFL teams. Ask almost every team in the NFL who their most valuable player or heart and soul player is and you'd be amazed at the answers. Most time it's not the guy getting all the stats. Thus, it COULD be (notice, caps because I really don't know) that Pinkston meant more to them than his stats did. Maybe it's the clutch catch he made in a game on 3rd down that allowed them to score and win, though it's only a 8 yard catch. It would appear that Andy Reid thought of him highly for reason and coaches don't always make those comments about exitting players.

The point, I believe, deac is trying to make is that he views what you did as the very thing you try and stop on the boards. I really don't care about that issue, but I would say that your response in saying that because others agree with you that it's okay is a very dissappointing. I'm not afraid to tell you that everytime you or Dodds post, people come out to kiss your tail (politeness gets you everywhere). By saying that, you can't judge because others agree with you, they do it because of who you are and not the actual view or topic always. It's kind of like the girl or guy who's in charge of letting people into the VIP section of a club, everyone is their buddy. Again, I have nothing in regards to say about you stating an opinion on a player...this is your site and people pay for you and your staff's opinion. I just expect a much better response than to to get defensive and give a poor excuse of "Apparently most people agree with me," thus it's okay. Disappointed not in your initial comment on Pinkston, but your response to deac.

Hi Bizk,I understand the VIP thing but that's not what's happening here. Do you think Pinkston had seven great years in Philadelphia?

J

 

[Joe Bryant]

don't see anything wrong with what J said. Pinkston may have bee avg. at best, by no means a great NFL player.

Thanks Q,

-- Eagles coach Andy Reid on recently departed WR Todd Pinkston. At least we think he meant Todd. The "great years" thing sort of threw me.

I don't know how I could have been any more clear on that one. But I gave up a long time ago on thinking I could post stuff like this without someone being offended. J

Hi Joe! I, most certainly, am not suggesting that you ought to worry about offending people when you write something. Lord knows I am opinionated and, at times, confrontational. What I suggested was, given your tonality when others do the exact same thing and are funny about it, you were out of character IMHO. Surely, you recognize that I don't think Todd Pinkston is a GREAT player. I'll totally defend that he had SEVEN GREAT YEARS, as Andy Reid suggested. Your quote here (up top - thanking a guy who says "by no means a great player") and then (below - reiterating you couldn't be any more clear with "great years" in bold) is confusing. Marrying up two totally separate points and that dreaded half quote again. You're very profficient at that tactic. There, I set you up to do it to me again.

Finally, thanks for responding. I appreciate it. Really, in defense of Todd Pinkston. From everything I gather about yourself, your values and your business, Todd Pinkston isn't the kind of player that warrants yet another cheap shot attack. Andy Reid wasn't erroneous or spewing "coach speak" in any way, shape or form. It surprised me when I read it and I felt compelled to write about.

Deac

Hi deac,Sorry if that was confusing. I don't think Pinkston had seven "great years". That's pretty much as deep as it went. Is that really a "cheap shot attack"?

Which years do you think were great for him?

J

Hi Joe, I'll answer your direct question. Will you address my real concerns? Statistically speaking, I don't think you can call any of Todd Pinkston's seasons great. I think you can toss his rookie year (learning the West Coast Offense) and last season (on the sidelines due to injury) as great years. In terms of a valued role player participating as an integral and vital piece of the puzzle on a winning team, I think ALL the years in between were great years. The guy was a serviceable #2. He was a viable deep threat. I don't have the stats right in front of me, but I think he was a top (or very close) the NFL in yards per catch a few years back. He was an underrated blocker and an underrated receiver in traffic. I'm repeating myself on those points. He was a consumate professional, a great teammate, taught the younger receivers, and never drew attention to himself...even when the media begged him too. In the age of "me, me, me" instant gratification, I'd say that is pretty great! I think it's legitimate to also say it was great that he afforded the Eagles the ability to spend the big bux in other areas to build their brand of winning football. You and I both know that there are many little idiosyncrasies that can make an NFL player's (experience with a team) great. So, directly his 2nd through 6th years were great in the context that Reid said it! I'll bet he was a completely dedicated rook and in the 99th percentile, as injured players go, last season (for those years I'll give you as un-great too.)Now, I've made suggestions that you were out of character, boardering on hypocritical, and that your email caught me as surprising. Can you address those? Is it really that imperative to get a two second smirk out of the real "tools" at the expense of a stand up guy like Pinkston? Most of the pile on gang doesn't have a clue about his real value to the Eagles, other than an ESPN highlight or the stats in any paper. I'm all over your "Random Shots." I love it and read it every week. Uh oh, I feel a half quote coming. Kidding... And, for 99.5% of the time now, I enjoyed the quote of the day bit as well.

Again, I'm not saying you can't offend people sometimes. When you're a journalist, it comes with the territory. I'm saying you go out of your way to stop boarders from doing the exact same thing. To me, you just tip-toed on the same chalk lines.

Deac

Hi deac,Thanks. We're saying the same thing then. I don't see how any of his seasons could be called great. Reid said he had seven great seasons. I disagreed.

That's really it. I guess this proves you can always step on someone's toes no matter how lightly you tread but honestly I felt I was being pretty nice there. I didn't say he was terrible. I didn't make fun of the alligator arms. I didn't go to a ton of material that I easily could have. I questioned that he had seven great years.

Apparently most people agree with me.

I try to be cool with people. But I'll never get to the point when I don't question a guy saying Todd Pinkston had seven great years. And I absolutely hope no one here on this board ever holds back questioning a guy that would say Todd Pinkston had seven great years. Disagreeing and discussing is the lifeblood of this board.

Thanks for the discussion though. It's cool you're passionate about the situation.

J

I wouldn't say that we were saying the same thing at all. What I would say is that, in the discussion, I was conceding some things to you. Specifically, Year 1 and Year 7. Unfortunately, you aren't offering any concession whatsoever. In fact, you are spin doctoring me about the real issue here. It's not about Todd Pinkston being great. For me, it's been about Joe Bryant being human and getting called out relative to double standards about what is funny and what is tool factor. I've said it to yah before, it's your board and you don't have to address me. It would have been an even better discussion if you would've.Thanks for noticing the passion about an x-Eagle. Through my life it has been> Wilbert Montgomery, Ron Jaworski, Seth Joyner, Duce Staley, Brian Dawkins and yes Todd Pinkston. He's certainly lowest on the totem pole of GREATness, but a role model as a role player none-the-less.

Thanks again...I'm off to play some softball...playoff style,

Best regards,

Deac

Are you seriously saying Todd Pinkston is even in the same discussion as Wilbert Montgomery, Ron Jaworski, Seth Joyner, Duce Staley and Brian Dawkins?You're obviously entitled to your opinion but I'm sorry, I can't go there. But that's what makes this game fun.

J

 

[Bizkiteer]

don't see anything wrong with what J said. Pinkston may have bee avg. at best, by no means a great NFL player.

Thanks Q,

-- Eagles coach Andy Reid on recently departed WR Todd Pinkston. At least we think he meant Todd. The "great years" thing sort of threw me.

I don't know how I could have been any more clear on that one. But I gave up a long time ago on thinking I could post stuff like this without someone being offended. J

Hi Joe! I, most certainly, am not suggesting that you ought to worry about offending people when you write something. Lord knows I am opinionated and, at times, confrontational. What I suggested was, given your tonality when others do the exact same thing and are funny about it, you were out of character IMHO. Surely, you recognize that I don't think Todd Pinkston is a GREAT player. I'll totally defend that he had SEVEN GREAT YEARS, as Andy Reid suggested. Your quote here (up top - thanking a guy who says "by no means a great player") and then (below - reiterating you couldn't be any more clear with "great years" in bold) is confusing. Marrying up two totally separate points and that dreaded half quote again. You're very profficient at that tactic. There, I set you up to do it to me again.

Finally, thanks for responding. I appreciate it. Really, in defense of Todd Pinkston. From everything I gather about yourself, your values and your business, Todd Pinkston isn't the kind of player that warrants yet another cheap shot attack. Andy Reid wasn't erroneous or spewing "coach speak" in any way, shape or form. It surprised me when I read it and I felt compelled to write about.

Deac

Hi deac,Sorry if that was confusing. I don't think Pinkston had seven "great years". That's pretty much as deep as it went. Is that really a "cheap shot attack"?

Which years do you think were great for him?

J

Hi Joe, I'll answer your direct question. Will you address my real concerns? Statistically speaking, I don't think you can call any of Todd Pinkston's seasons great. I think you can toss his rookie year (learning the West Coast Offense) and last season (on the sidelines due to injury) as great years. In terms of a valued role player participating as an integral and vital piece of the puzzle on a winning team, I think ALL the years in between were great years. The guy was a serviceable #2. He was a viable deep threat. I don't have the stats right in front of me, but I think he was a top (or very close) the NFL in yards per catch a few years back. He was an underrated blocker and an underrated receiver in traffic. I'm repeating myself on those points. He was a consumate professional, a great teammate, taught the younger receivers, and never drew attention to himself...even when the media begged him too. In the age of "me, me, me" instant gratification, I'd say that is pretty great! I think it's legitimate to also say it was great that he afforded the Eagles the ability to spend the big bux in other areas to build their brand of winning football. You and I both know that there are many little idiosyncrasies that can make an NFL player's (experience with a team) great. So, directly his 2nd through 6th years were great in the context that Reid said it! I'll bet he was a completely dedicated rook and in the 99th percentile, as injured players go, last season (for those years I'll give you as un-great too.)Now, I've made suggestions that you were out of character, boardering on hypocritical, and that your email caught me as surprising. Can you address those? Is it really that imperative to get a two second smirk out of the real "tools" at the expense of a stand up guy like Pinkston? Most of the pile on gang doesn't have a clue about his real value to the Eagles, other than an ESPN highlight or the stats in any paper. I'm all over your "Random Shots." I love it and read it every week. Uh oh, I feel a half quote coming. Kidding... And, for 99.5% of the time now, I enjoyed the quote of the day bit as well.

Again, I'm not saying you can't offend people sometimes. When you're a journalist, it comes with the territory. I'm saying you go out of your way to stop boarders from doing the exact same thing. To me, you just tip-toed on the same chalk lines.

Deac

Hi deac,Thanks. We're saying the same thing then. I don't see how any of his seasons could be called great. Reid said he had seven great seasons. I disagreed.

That's really it. I guess this proves you can always step on someone's toes no matter how lightly you tread but honestly I felt I was being pretty nice there. I didn't say he was terrible. I didn't make fun of the alligator arms. I didn't go to a ton of material that I easily could have. I questioned that he had seven great years.

Apparently most people agree with me.

I try to be cool with people. But I'll never get to the point when I don't question a guy saying Todd Pinkston had seven great years. And I absolutely hope no one here on this board ever holds back questioning a guy that would say Todd Pinkston had seven great years. Disagreeing and discussing is the lifeblood of this board.

Thanks for the discussion though. It's cool you're passionate about the situation.

J

Hi Joe,I'll chip in and say that everything is not measured by stats for NFL teams. Ask almost every team in the NFL who their most valuable player or heart and soul player is and you'd be amazed at the answers. Most time it's not the guy getting all the stats. Thus, it COULD be (notice, caps because I really don't know) that Pinkston meant more to them than his stats did. Maybe it's the clutch catch he made in a game on 3rd down that allowed them to score and win, though it's only a 8 yard catch. It would appear that Andy Reid thought of him highly for reason and coaches don't always make those comments about exitting players.

The point, I believe, deac is trying to make is that he views what you did as the very thing you try and stop on the boards. I really don't care about that issue, but I would say that your response in saying that because others agree with you that it's okay is a very dissappointing. I'm not afraid to tell you that everytime you or Dodds post, people come out to kiss your tail (politeness gets you everywhere). By saying that, you can't judge because others agree with you, they do it because of who you are and not the actual view or topic always. It's kind of like the girl or guy who's in charge of letting people into the VIP section of a club, everyone is their buddy. Again, I have nothing in regards to say about you stating an opinion on a player...this is your site and people pay for you and your staff's opinion. I just expect a much better response than to to get defensive and give a poor excuse of "Apparently most people agree with me," thus it's okay. Disappointed not in your initial comment on Pinkston, but your response to deac.

Hi Bizk,I understand the VIP thing but that's not what's happening here. Do you think Pinkston had seven great years in Philadelphia?

J

LOL, no...errr...yeah! I'm a 'Skins fan, so I loved that Pinkston was on the Iggles. I for one don't care about Pinkston and I have him on the tail end of one of my dynasty rosters. Some players mean more to their teams than the stats they put up. Pinkston might have been their poster child for team spirit..who knows. Sheesh, I admitted that actually had him on a roster...anyway, you have to realize people will agree with you or not object because of who you are. I could say the same thing you do and nobody would respond to my post, but you post the same thing and everyone come sout of the wood works to agree or comment.Not brown nosing, but I like this site because it's not just one person's opinion...it all of your staff, so it's a good concensus of sorts. Something many others don't have, but I just think your reponse to him was lacking and dissappointing.

Again, as for Pinkston...I'm sad because for at least two games a year I think anytime Sean Taylor would have looked in his direction...his arms would have gotten shorter.

 

[PAO]

I didn't know Eagle fans and Patriot fans were so much alike.

 

[Joe Bryant]

LOL, no...errr...yeah! I'm a 'Skins fan, so I loved that Pinkston was on the Iggles. I for one don't care about Pinkston and I have him on the tail end of one of my dynasty rosters. Some players mean more to their teams than the stats they put up. Pinkston might have been their poster child for team spirit..who knows. Sheesh, I admitted that actually had him on a roster...anyway, you have to realize people will agree with you or not object because of who you are. I could say the same thing you do and nobody would respond to my post, but you post the same thing and everyone come sout of the wood works to agree or comment.Not brown nosing, but I like this site because it's not just one person's opinion...it all of your staff, so it's a good concensus of sorts. Something many others don't have, but I just think your reponse to him was lacking and dissappointing.Again, as for Pinkston...I'm sad because for at least two games a year I think anytime Sean Taylor would have looked in his direction...his arms would have gotten shorter.

Thanks bizk. I see what you're saying. Didn't mean to sound heavy handed there. I just really didn't see Reid calling his years "great". That was all. My point that most others saw it that way too was just my way of thinking my opinion wasn't very far out of line with the masses there. Not a big deal.And I think you hit on a good point. Different people put value on different traits. One guy may like the fact a player does community stuff. Others may like he doesn't beat his wife. Others love different things. For me, alligator arms is close to an unforgivable sin and that's likely colored my opinion of him. (plus the fact he's never been able to produce on the field outside of 2002 when he had the 7 TD and nearly cracked that 800 yard receiving barrier)Good discussion though and thanks for posting.J

 

[Bizkiteer]

LOL, no...errr...yeah! I'm a 'Skins fan, so I loved that Pinkston was on the Iggles. I for one don't care about Pinkston and I have him on the tail end of one of my dynasty rosters. Some players mean more to their teams than the stats they put up. Pinkston might have been their poster child for team spirit..who knows. Sheesh, I admitted that actually had him on a roster...anyway, you have to realize people will agree with you or not object because of who you are. I could say the same thing you do and nobody would respond to my post, but you post the same thing and everyone come sout of the wood works to agree or comment.Not brown nosing, but I like this site because it's not just one person's opinion...it all of your staff, so it's a good concensus of sorts. Something many others don't have, but I just think your reponse to him was lacking and dissappointing.Again, as for Pinkston...I'm sad because for at least two games a year I think anytime Sean Taylor would have looked in his direction...his arms would have gotten shorter.

Thanks bizk. I see what you're saying. Didn't mean to sound heavy handed there. I just really didn't see Reid calling his years "great". That was all. My point that most others saw it that way too was just my way of thinking my opinion wasn't very far out of line with the masses there. Not a big deal.And I think you hit on a good point. Different people put value on different traits. One guy may like the fact a player does community stuff. Others may like he doesn't beat his wife. Others love different things. For me, alligator arms is close to an unforgivable sin and that's likely colored my opinion of him. (plus the fact he's never been able to produce on the field outside of 2002 when he had the 7 TD and nearly cracked that 800 yard receiving barrier)Good discussion though and thanks for posting.J

No problem Joe! Does this mean I get into the VIP section? I heard the drinks taste much better in there.

 

[redman]

I think we can all agree that deacon14 has made 15 great posts in this thread.

 

[Joe Bryant]

LOL, no...errr...yeah! I'm a 'Skins fan, so I loved that Pinkston was on the Iggles. I for one don't care about Pinkston and I have him on the tail end of one of my dynasty rosters. Some players mean more to their teams than the stats they put up. Pinkston might have been their poster child for team spirit..who knows. Sheesh, I admitted that actually had him on a roster...anyway, you have to realize people will agree with you or not object because of who you are. I could say the same thing you do and nobody would respond to my post, but you post the same thing and everyone come sout of the wood works to agree or comment.Not brown nosing, but I like this site because it's not just one person's opinion...it all of your staff, so it's a good concensus of sorts. Something many others don't have, but I just think your reponse to him was lacking and dissappointing.Again, as for Pinkston...I'm sad because for at least two games a year I think anytime Sean Taylor would have looked in his direction...his arms would have gotten shorter.

Thanks bizk. I see what you're saying. Didn't mean to sound heavy handed there. I just really didn't see Reid calling his years "great". That was all. My point that most others saw it that way too was just my way of thinking my opinion wasn't very far out of line with the masses there. Not a big deal.And I think you hit on a good point. Different people put value on different traits. One guy may like the fact a player does community stuff. Others may like he doesn't beat his wife. Others love different things. For me, alligator arms is close to an unforgivable sin and that's likely colored my opinion of him. (plus the fact he's never been able to produce on the field outside of 2002 when he had the 7 TD and nearly cracked that 800 yard receiving barrier)Good discussion though and thanks for posting.J

No problem Joe! Does this mean I get into the VIP section? I heard the drinks taste much better in there.

The velvet ropes will raise. You're in.J

 

[deacon14]

Are you seriously saying Todd Pinkston is even in the same discussion as Wilbert Montgomery, Ron Jaworski, Seth Joyner, Duce Staley and Brian Dawkins?You're obviously entitled to your opinion but I'm sorry, I can't go there. But that's what makes this game fun.J

No, that isn't what I'm saying at all. Didn't you see my totem pole analogy? Do I actually have to repeat it? What I said was "thanks for noticing the passion about an x-Eagle." I listed those guys as favorite players throughout the years. Anybody that knows me worth a salt, knows that I always took on the Pinky bashers head on. Always! Does a favorite player have to be a fantasy stud?Have I taken a lot of heat for defending Pinkston along the way? Yeppirs! Do I care? No! Joe, in all seriousness, why do you keep hammering the guy? You win - he's not great! However, that (in no way) means what Andy Reid said isn't appropriate. Why don't you simply address my concerns? Even a total stranger (and Skins fan ) who I've never met (Bizkiteer) can identify it. No, we aren't buds. No, it isn't an alias. No, there is no secret society posse? You know that reminds me of something. To the guy who yapped about the 15 quality posts I've made. Why don't you go and link them into the "club" over there and have yourself a grand old time laughing your tails off? That seems to be the theme around here these days. IYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYE, whatever, there are a ton of yahoos in the NFL more worthy of cracking on. Just like the main man here doesn't give a flip about what I'm saying. The same holds true in Philly. Despite his many flaws (and this quote wasn't one of them) the skipper doesn't care about JB's cheap shot either. Thanks Biskiteer for having some balls! I'll remember it!

 

[Flying V]

Of all the WR's who has started for a single team for consecutive years Pinkston is the worst and I don't even know who's second.

Donte Stallworth.

 

[pinequick]

Are you seriously saying Todd Pinkston is even in the same discussion as Wilbert Montgomery, Ron Jaworski, Seth Joyner, Duce Staley and Brian Dawkins?You're obviously entitled to your opinion but I'm sorry, I can't go there. But that's what makes this game fun.J

No, that isn't what I'm saying at all. Didn't you see my totem pole analogy? Do I actually have to repeat it? What I said was "thanks for noticing the passion about an x-Eagle." I listed those guys as favorite players throughout the years. Anybody that knows me worth a salt, knows that I always took on the Pinky bashers head on. Always! Does a favorite player have to be a fantasy stud?Have I taken a lot of heat for defending Pinkston along the way? Yeppirs! Do I care? No! Joe, in all seriousness, why do you keep hammering the guy? You win - he's not great! However, that (in no way) means what Andy Reid said isn't appropriate. Why don't you simply address my concerns? Even a total stranger (and Skins fan ) who I've never met (Bizkiteer) can identify it. No, we aren't buds. No, it isn't an alias. No, there is no secret society posse? You know that reminds me of something. To the guy who yapped about the 15 quality posts I've made. Why don't you go and link them into the "club" over there and have yourself a grand old time laughing your tails off? That seems to be the theme around here these days. IYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYE, whatever, there are a ton of yahoos in the NFL more worthy of cracking on. Just like the main man here doesn't give a flip about what I'm saying. The same holds true in Philly. Despite his many flaws (and this quote wasn't one of them) the skipper doesn't care about JB's cheap shot either. Thanks Biskiteer for having some balls! I'll remember it!

In all seriousness, I'm sure that players like Pinkston are really glad that there are fans out there like you. That's got to be what keeps him going.

 

[The Draft Robot]

the. draft. robot. is. going. to. discombobulate. if. he. reads. anymore. of. this. todd. pinkston. had. seven. great. seasons. bwaaaaaahaaaaaaa.

 

[SCARY HATCH]

Adding my two cents to the Pinkston discussion.....Pinkston may have been considered above average by many, (perhaps even good) had he had an accurate throwing QB throwing to him instead of the over-rated McNabb throwing at his feet or over throwing when he had gotten open by three or more strides. As an avid Eagle fan I saw that scenario time & time again. My reaction to Andy's comment was that I would have said he had "good" years, not great ones and found Joe's comment a bit sarcastic. I might add, that I rarely agree with much that Andy says, but I believe his choice of the word "great" was a sincere, appreciative gesture that need not be made fun of.

 

[Jedimaster21]

The issue here goes beyond just Todd Pinkston. The issue is with Joe's sarcasm and attack on comments by Reid that were actually appropriate IMO. However, Joe's sarcastic remark was the quote of the day, and was meant to be funny and possibly to offend a few people. That makes it more entertaining. I think that is a little different from the sarcasm on the board that he defends against. When people have an informed discussion/debate on the board, and others are posting sarcastic comments that add nothing to the thread, it is a totally different situation. I really think the purpose of the sarcasm, and the difference in the forum make what Joe did different than what he mediates on the board. Just my opinion.

As for Reid's comments, like I said, I think they were very appropriate and genuine. He wasn't saying that Pinkston was an All Pro, he was simply saying he had a great run with the Eagles and his professionalism will be missed.

 

[pinequick]

Are people *seriously* #####ing about "The 'great years' thing sort of threw me." Is that it, or is there something more that people are complaining about? Please tell me.

Because if that's it, please let me be the first to say, "Go build a bridge and get over it." Good-#######-grief.

Pinkston really did suck. Go see Post #8. Defend that.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Len P. sticks up for Todd Stinkston in a radio interview.

Classic!

Wow "Let's move on or move out."

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Super catch

Jump ball vs Dallas

I got bored and searched some Pinkston catches. I'm really starting to love YouTube

 

[mr. furley]

Is Pinky your brother? He is "unfairly maligned"??? Are you kidding me?

The term "alligator arms" was INVENTED for Pinkston. Antonio Freeman

 

[deacon14]

Cool Norville! Watched them with my oldest son, after I sprung the news on him. Ironically, his response was "that STINKS, do you think he'll go to another team?" By the way, what's new with the neighbor?

 

[renesauz]

As a long-time, die-hard Eagles fan, I feel compelled to throw my two sense in here.

Pinky's career to this point can be defined as a role-player. His role has always been to stretch a defense, clearing the underneath stuff for other recievers, TE's, and RB's.

As with most ROLE-PLAYERS, his stats are limited. Limited stats does NOT make for a bad player. He performed his role WELL. As a WR2, he would have been weak on most teams, but Philly had the TE's and RB's to catch underneath, and Pinky fit in well and contributed far more to that offense then the stat line.

He was NOT a great reciever, just a great role-player. The speed he lost with his injury has destroyed his chance to fill that deep-threat role. His other WR skills are limited enough that his career is almost certainly limited now to that of a WR3 or 4 on a young team looking for veteran leadership in the locker room.

As for Joe's inclusion of Reids quote in the e-mail: Although I disagree with Joe's interpretation of the quote, I can't/won't take personal offense by it, and neither should anybody else in here. I think Joe may be mis-interpreting it just a little. While I don't think that Pinky deserves any more harsh criticism, I can certainly see how anybody not familiar with the Eagles could see that quote as funny given Pinky's limited stat lines.

JOe's quotes are meant to be amusing to the masses, and this one was...just not to those of us more in tune with the Eagles.

It's time to lock this thread and move on.

 

[suchislife]

I didn't know Eagle fans and Patriot fans were so much alike.

Well, sorta...except Patriots fans have a little something (OK, 3 'somethings') on us Eagles fans

 

[suchislife]

Pinkston is not going to get any votes for the HoF, but the way some ppl act he's the worst WR to ever play the game. Just because he didn't get drafted in your fantasy league doesn't mean the guy had no NFL value. Was he a #1? Certainly not. But if you want to hang him because he short armed a ball or two...well, I seem to remember another high profile player ("For who? For what?") who's being discussed as a border line HoF candidate. That case of alligator arms was just as bad as Pinkston's.

 

[blenderfrog]

Quote Of The Day:

"Todd has had seven great years here for the Philadelphia Eagles. "There is no one that I have respected more than Todd, who has helped us win a lot of football games. We have decided to give him an opportunity to move on to another team where there was still time for him to latch on as a starter. I know he is anxious to find another situation and step in and contribute immediately."

-- Eagles coach Andy Reid on recently departed WR Todd Pinkston. At least we think he meant Todd. The "great years" thing sort of threw me.

I would safely say that I enjoy Joe Bryant's humor 90% of the time. Here is an example where I don't. From a guy that runs around calling passionate boarders here "Tools" for sarcasm and heated interaction, he's certainly walking a tight rope of hypocrisy on this one. The pickings for quotes must have been pretty thin yesterday for him to resort to yet another pile-on Todd Pinkston (quite possibly the most unfairly maligned pro football player since the rise of fantasy football.)

Yeah, I know, Pinkston stunk the joint out in the Tampa Bay (NFC title) game! However, he did help the Eagles "win a lot of football games" just as Andy Reid conveyed. Anybody that watches and follows Philly games every week, knows that Todd was a much better blocker and much better at catching the ball in traffic than his country wide perception. He was pencil thin, his last name was easy to make fun of, and he was very mild-mannered. All these things made him an excellent target for ridicule. For the most part, his performance and contributions didn't. For a good stretch of time, you could count on Pinkston going deep on the very first play of the game AND HOOKING UP! I can't tell yah how many times I told people watching with me to key on Pinkston and it came through. Most notable was a home game in 2003 vs. the Saints. I was telling the ladies in my row, cuz we were down tight. A guy behind me in a Saints jersey, mouthed off laughing that he'd buy me beers all day if "that twig got open." Ha-ha, guess who was drinking more than usual? I also recall a Ravens preseason game, during the "Owens" season trying my same forecast. Only, this time, Ed Reed slid over on Pinky's side and it was T.O. who caught the opening play bomb. Wish I could link up the play. YES, it was Todd drawing coverage and helping the Birds succeed. Anyways, good luck Todd. As an Iggle faithful, I wish you the best.

Go ahead and flame away. I can handle it and pride myself on taking board yap as well as I dish it. I'm sure I just pasted my face to the dart board.

FBG Rule No. 1: Never question Joe. FBG Rule No. 2: Have a nice season guy.

 

[vinwinephans]

Is Pinky your brother? He is "unfairly maligned"??? Are you kidding me?

The term "alligator arms" was INVENTED for Pinkston.

I believe that was Ricky Watters.

 

[Donnybrook]

Vikings | Pinkston taking a physical with team

Fri, 1 Sep 2006 11:17:53 -0700

Sean Jensen, of the Pioneer Press, reports free agent WR Todd Pinkston (Eagles) is in Minneapolis for a physical with the Minnesota Vikings Friday, Sept. 1. Several other teams are interested in Pinkston, but the Vikings could make a move in the next few days, pending the results of his physical.

Childress give your head a shake.

 

[Norseman]

Which years do you think were great for him?J

If I had those years, I would think that they were all great. I would love to pull an NFL salary for 7 years.