When I watch the Steeler's offense they just look better with Redman and Moore on the field. Is it time to try to sell Mendenhall now before he has no value or do you expect him to turn it around this season. I know that pit offensive line is playing poorly, but Redman is going for 4.9 ypc while Mendenhall is only at 3 YPC.
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Godsbrother
Footballguy
First off trying to trade a player after a couple poor performances is usually not a good idea. Add to that Mendy is injured and it is even a worse time to trade. Another thing to consider is that Redman has been getting most of his carries in the second half when the Steelers have been behind.
Anyone that has watched the Steelers this year knows the main problem with Steelers running game is the offensive line. It is beyond putrid and the prospects for a significant improvement is not good.
Anyone that has watched the Steelers this year knows the main problem with Steelers running game is the offensive line. It is beyond putrid and the prospects for a significant improvement is not good.
Ever Present Lurker
Footballguy
I have Mendenhall. I think you have to hold him for now, what are you going to get, besides ripped off? For now, he's parked on my bench, and I glare at him often.
shnikies
Footballguy
I said this is a similar thread. Regardless of the line play when you average 3 ypc it doesn't bode well for the confidence your coach has in you going forward. A bad o-line is a fine excuse for averaging under 4 ypc but when you start going down to around 3 ypc there is blame to be put on the running back. Throw in the fact he's dinged up and the backup has been showing some flashes of effectiveness, it's not good.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
He has no heart.
He is at his best when things are going good, life is easy and he doesnt have to enforce any kind of will upon anyone else.
He's better in the spread offense with big open areas away from D-linemen and big linebacker that have a full head of steam coming at him.
He does not have those luxuries right now, and he is being exposed for it.
Here is a post from 2008 when discussing that he almost quit football... http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=402427&view=findpost&p=8786494
He is at his best when things are going good, life is easy and he doesnt have to enforce any kind of will upon anyone else.
He's better in the spread offense with big open areas away from D-linemen and big linebacker that have a full head of steam coming at him.
He does not have those luxuries right now, and he is being exposed for it.
Here is a post from 2008 when discussing that he almost quit football... http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=402427&view=findpost&p=8786494
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Disagree, this has nothing to do with heart and everything to with no holes or even seams to run through. Mendy has been a quality back for the Steelers, behind very average offensive lines. Unfortunately the offensive line this season has been astonishingly bad to the point of being inept. The line is getting absolutely no push and is being manhandled hence the poor performance of a franchise QB and a RB that has topped 1,000 yards his first two seasons as a starter.This is not to say that Mendenhall is blameless, he needs to run more north/south and less spinning & bouncing outside because there is absolutely nothing there. But the overwhelming reason for the Steelers offensive woes is the offensive line.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
You havent watched the couple hundred times when he shirks away from contact and turns his back into the defensive player because he doesnt want to take or give a hit? He will, at times, simply freeze in his tracks.Hell his first game/start ever, he tried to lessen the impact and got his shoulder blade broken by Ray Lewis because he turned his back to soften the blow. Who runs with their back to the defense all the time? Mendenhall.
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Godsbrother
Footballguy
Okay I get it that you don't like Mendenhall but the guy carried the ball 324 times last season. You can't do that in the NFL if you are afraid of getting hit. My opinion is the o-line stinks, apparently you think the problem is that Mendenhall is a wussy. Let's just leave it at that.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Shaun Alexander didnt like getting hit and was a marvelous player. And he had incredibly high carry numbers. And again, Mendy almost quit football. Why? Because people were calling SOFT and UNWILLING at Illinois. Including his own coaches.Its isnt that I like or dislike him, I'm just stating what he is as a football player.
nysportsfan
Footballguy
I received a trade offer today in my one redraft of MJD and MSW for my Mendenhall and Denarius Moore. I thought about it for a bit and pulled the trigger (MSW is a throw in and I'd probably pick up someone else). I probably waited even a bit too long to accept but I do think Mendy turns is around provided he is healthy.
I think this was a rare case where the guy thinks Mendy will be fine and is buying low. But again, YMMV.
I think this was a rare case where the guy thinks Mendy will be fine and is buying low. But again, YMMV.
VaTerp
Footballguy
For the record I've agreed with pretty much all of what you have said in the various Mendenhall threads.But at this point I don't know what to do with the guy. The O-line has been putrid and the defense is no longer playin great to create turnovers and short fields that would put Mendy in position to be successful. And bottom line is Mendy is not getting it done and shows no signs of being able to overcome the situation.I'm 4-0 in this league but don't know how much longer I can keep it up with my "top" two RBs being Mendy and Felix Jones. :X :X :X
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Bad O-line, look what is happening to Ben.
His value is pretty low right now, he's a hold.
His value is pretty low right now, he's a hold.
Good pointBen's numbers are pretty damn pathetic as well. But he's not really being called to the carpet.Benched yes - dropped/traded- noCan an O-line actually get that much better during a season though?
thatguythere
Footballguy
I don't doubt this. I've never owned him until this year...and in watching him every game this year, there is just something missing. Maybe he will get better..or grow some nuts......but for now his injury just makes it easier to bench his ###. Same thing for Big Ben. I don't care how bad the offensive line is....you have to be able to call some plays that move him around and keep him from getting killed. Ben looks like a guy trying to charge a machine gun bunker. Owning both of them makes it incredibly tough to watch the Steelers, can't imagine being a Steeler fan.
Oh wait, I'm a Lions fan....I can imagine.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I have Mendenhall too and feel your pain. If you can get some value for him then go ahead and trade -- I just think that for what you are likely to get in return you are probably better off holding on to him and hope things get better.
The Doctor
Footballguy
Steelers HC Mike Tomlin said he's going to go with the hot hand at RB from now on. #RashardMendenhall, #IsaacRedman, #MeweldeMoore
ponchsox
Footballguy
I need to see evidence of this on the field first. I can see Redman getting more carries going forward. The question will be does Mendenhall remain an every week fantasy starter?
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Even getting the bulk of carries I don't think Mendenhall is an every week fantasy starter.
ponchsox
Footballguy
As a Mendy and Redman owner, this is going to suck trying to figure out who to start going forward. I can't believe I passed on McFadden for this bum.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
What a coincidence that Big Ben and Mendenhall both started to suck at the same time...guess Roeth has no heart either?
The Doctor
Footballguy
its amazing how good they lookd in preseaon. i know preseason is just that but wow- they are the polar opposites. the offense that is- their defense has sucked preseason and regular
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
I was floored when he fell to me in the mid 2nd in my draft to pair with McFadden.. Was already counting my chickens. You just never know..
It is going to really suck if/when he misses this week with the hammy and Pitt somehow pulls it together and we see Redman go for 100+. :(
Ditka is God
Footballguy
VaTerp
Footballguy
If Mendy was playing on the Chiefs or something I would be less optimistic about them turning things around....but I have to hang on to the fact that this is the Steelers we are talking about and I have some faith in them somehow making the neccessary changes, turning things around on the offensive line, and getting it figured out.....while this offense may continue to struggle for awhile with Mendy and Ben dinged, they do have some nice matchups coming up, especially down the stretch after their week 11 bye....something tells me they will get it worked out and Mendy will still be the guy to have....I don't see the torch being passed to Redman just yet....bench Mendy for a couple weeks and see if watching Redman and Moore for awhile lights a fire....
PIT has played 3 of the first 4 on the road and had Manning not been out, many would have considered that one of the hardest 4 game stretches in the league so far....@BAL, @IND, @HOU....it is going to be hard to hang on to Mendy and it sucks maybe bencing your first round/high second round pick, but if you hang on, it might start paying off, especially when you need it the most during your stretch run and playoff time.....good chance PIT is fighting all year for a playoff spot so Mendy should be playing in those games late in the year...
PIT has played 3 of the first 4 on the road and had Manning not been out, many would have considered that one of the hardest 4 game stretches in the league so far....@BAL, @IND, @HOU....it is going to be hard to hang on to Mendy and it sucks maybe bencing your first round/high second round pick, but if you hang on, it might start paying off, especially when you need it the most during your stretch run and playoff time.....good chance PIT is fighting all year for a playoff spot so Mendy should be playing in those games late in the year...
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BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
I agree and this is the basis for me continuing to hold onto him. The minute you trade him for peanuts right now, they figure it out and he starts paying off big time for your trading partner.
Shutout
Footballguy
Not a Pitt fan or Mendy owner: just curious: Do the Steelers have the personnel (depth-wise) to turn it around with the line because it sounds like the consensus is that it is the line that is creating the problems here?
I am struggling to remember a time where a line suddenlt just picked it up DURING the season unless a major player returned. Seems like it is usually the reverse as injuries and such pile on.
I am struggling to remember a time where a line suddenlt just picked it up DURING the season unless a major player returned. Seems like it is usually the reverse as injuries and such pile on.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
I don't think you know what a 'hold' is in this context.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
FWIW on NFLN showing live presser from Tomlin. Scott and Legursky will be back for this week. 
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
also said that ben's injury may limit him in practice but he will likely play this weekend.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
He was traded 2 weeks ago in one of my leagues (PPR /.5PPR for rbs) for greg jennings. I had offered Julio Jones and was surprised to be turned down. [have DEEP Wr's and weak backs fwiw] but I can see wanting Jennings over Jones (though after the last 2 weeks he might have a different opinion)
shnikies
Footballguy
If I don't think his perceived value will increase but actually decrease then I believe I understand the context and my opinion is that he is a sell. Thanks for clearing up the "context" though.
pyite76
Footballguy
I'm pretty sure that the reason he almost quit at Illinois was because the coaching staff was screwing over his brother, Walter, with his scholarship. Walter ended up finishing his career at Illinois State, and I know that caused some bad blood between Rashard and the U of I staff.
shnikies
Footballguy
The Steelers have not yet ruled out Rashard Mendenhall (hamstring) for Sunday's game against the Titans.Coach Mike Tomlin did not sound optimistic on Mendenhall Tuesday, saying the running back will be monitored. Even if Mendy somehow suits up, he'll be at less than 100 percent against a Titans' defense that is giving up just 3.2 yards per carry. Isaac Redman is likely in line for a workhorse role with Mewelde Moore (ankle) nursing an injury of his own. That's the last bit of news I've seen. That doesn't look like a non-issue.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
Mendenhall unable to go again on Thursday
Rashard Mendenhall (hamstring) was held out of practice again on Thursday.Mendenhall was expected to test the hamstring in individual drills, and it apparently didn't go as well as hoped. Multiple reports suggest Isaac Redman will carry the load this week against the Titans with Mendenhall likely to sit out entirely.Source: Pittsburgh Steelers on Twitter
Rashard Mendenhall (hamstring) was held out of practice again on Thursday.Mendenhall was expected to test the hamstring in individual drills, and it apparently didn't go as well as hoped. Multiple reports suggest Isaac Redman will carry the load this week against the Titans with Mendenhall likely to sit out entirely.Source: Pittsburgh Steelers on Twitter
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
you don't think Mendy's value goes up from where it is now?And your answer here contradicts the one from above." Nobody is a hold unless he's the top player in fantasy." Or maybe you just have a really pessimistic view of anyone who isn't putting up 25 ppg.
FarEastKilla
Footballguy
The disappearance of Willy Parker 2.0 in the making... cut and print it.
shnikies
Footballguy
I didn't understand anything from this post but I will try to explain myself again. No, I don't think his value will go up, it will go down, as it already has since the first time I said it. That's why I said he is a "sell". Just because his value has gone down doesn't mean it can't go lower.
unckeyherb
Footballguy
WTF! I didn't get to watch the game, but can someone explain how he has 13 carries for 32 yarda against Arizona? Seriously, I am fed up with this turd-he's cost me more than a couple of games this year and it looks like this will another. #######.
bulger2holt
Footballguy
Arizona has a terrible secondary and they decided to attack them by air.
Touchdown Syndrome
Footballguy
This.It seemed like Ben was always in the shotgun.
iNeedCoffee
Footballguy
If I remember correctly, he ran for 5 times and gain 3 yards in the 1st half alone. From what it looked like in the games, he had trouble running between the tackles. Every time he attempts to do so, he either gets little to no gain or defenders will penetrate and meet him in the backfield. I remember one play where Adrian Wilson met him early in the 1st quarter and clothes-lined Mendy right in the backfield. The bright side is that when he runs around and through the side, he does gain yards. I'm thinking is a little of him dancing too much in the backfield and the offensive line.
