Racist rancher,feds at a standoff.Drone strike looming! (2 Viewers)

[TobiasFunke]

When will you people stop thinking about a persons right to make a living and think more about saving the turtles?

Pretty much exactly at the point when his efforts to make a living take him into property that doesn't belong to him and he refuses to pay for its use.

If you want to debate conversation efforts vs grazing in this particular region, find yourself a time machine and go back to 1993. That ship sailed a long time ago. All this idiot is doing now is violating federal law and wasting millions of taxpayer dollars.

Don't forget the turtles. Spending millions of taxpayer dollars while saving them seems prudent. But it is the Constitution.

My favorite Joe T post ever was the one time you tried to claim you aren't a troll.

 

[tom22406]

So what is the next step for the feds here?

Clearly this is not over by any measure so how can they get what they want out of this without blood being spilled?

I'm looking forward to the IRS storming Al Sharpton's house to get the money he owes them

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

When will you people stop thinking about a persons right to make a living and think more about saving the turtles?

Pretty much exactly at the point when his efforts to make a living take him into property that doesn't belong to him and he refuses to pay for its use.

If you want to debate conversation efforts vs grazing in this particular region, find yourself a time machine and go back to 1993. That ship sailed a long time ago. All this idiot is doing now is violating federal law and wasting millions of taxpayer dollars.

Don't forget the turtles. Spending millions of taxpayer dollars while saving them seems prudent. But it is the Constitution.

We all disagree with lots of laws. Most of us manage to deal with it without cosplay and gun humping.

 

[Zow]

Some nice work by fatness in here.

 

[Quez]

Can someone briefly explain to me what Harry Reid has to do with this.

 

[Guest]

Whenever the next protest is staged, I think somebody should paint about a dozen helicopters black except for white lettering that says "UNITED NATIONS" and then send them flying in. And they could broadcast over loudspeakers, "Attention! Please surrender your firearms!" in a thick foreign accent.

I think someone should dress as a tortoise. I would settle for ninja turtles repelling from the helicopters.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Can someone briefly explain to me what Harry Reid has to do with this.

Everything

 

[3C's]

Can someone briefly explain to me what Harry Reid has to do with this.

He's from Nevada and he's a (D).

 

[Hang 10]

Can someone briefly explain to me what Harry Reid has to do with this.

He's found a way to enrich himself and his son off the land in question.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Can someone briefly explain to me what Harry Reid has to do with this.

He's found a way to enrich himself and his son off the land in question.

:facepalm:

Link

Recommendation: when someone sends you an email and the subject line is something like "RE: FW: FW: FW: FW: FW : Dems at it again!!1!!1!!" you should probably fact check it.

 

[rct]

Can someone briefly explain to me what Harry Reid has to do with this.

He's found a way to enrich himself and his son off the land in question.

:facepalm:

Link

Recommendation: when someone sends you an email and the subject line is something like "RE: FW: FW: FW: FW: FW : Dems at it again!!1!!1!!" you should probably fact check it.

Yes, let's not confuse things with the facts.

 

[tom22406]

This has been passed around a few times

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFiosLqjoQQ

 

[Lutherman2112]

Article 1, Section 2 of the Nevada Constitution:

All political power is inherent in the people. Government is instituted for the protection, security and benefit of the people; and they have the right to alter or reform the same whenever the public good may require it. But the Paramount Allegiance of every citizen is due to the Federal Government in the exercise of all its Constitutional powers as the same have been or may be defined by the Supreme Court of the United States; and no power exists in the people of this or any other State of the Federal Union to dissolve their connection therewith or perform any act tending to impair, subvert, or resist the Supreme Authority of the government of the United States. The Constitution of the United States confers full power on the Federal Government to maintain and Perpetuate its existence, and whensoever any portion of the States, or people thereof attempt to secede from the Federal Union, or forcibly resist the Execution of its laws, the Federal Government may, by warrant of the Constitution, employ armed force in compelling obedience to its Authority.

 

[fatness]

I'm looking forward to Muslim ranchers not paying grazing fees.

 

[fatness]

"Prescriptive rights"

 

[Rove!]

Can someone briefly explain to me what Harry Reid has to do with this.

Google Harry Reid and land deals and his buddy Harvey Whittemore

It seems that there have been offered, over the years, a number of federal easements on the tortoise issue for development projects involving Reid's friends, but no effort to help the ranchers, and they have in fact run most of the ranchers out of business.

 

[TobiasFunke]

"Prescriptive rights"

Tremendous.

I liked this part, too:

When Devlin reached out to the BLM, he suggested that the federal agency just allow Bundy to pay the fees to the county rather than continuing with these aggressive tactics to confiscate his cattle.

“Why don’t you just let him pay them there (Clarke County)? I got a call back from the liaison saying ‘Yes, pursue it.’” Devlin reached out to contacts in Nevada to get that process moving forward. If that were to happen, Clarke County could collect the grazing fees and if it desired to do so could hand those fees over to the BLM.

Yes, why not allow people to just pay fees and other debts to whomever they want? Didn't pay your income taxes this year? Just give the money to your local high school! They can pay the IRS if they desire to do so.

 

[Rove!]

FW: FW: FWD:FW: FW: FWD:FW: FW: FWD:FW: FW: FWD:FW: FW: FWD:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/11/AR2006101101640.html

 

[TobiasFunke]

Can someone briefly explain to me what Harry Reid has to do with this.

Google Harry Reid and land deals and his buddy Harvey Whittemore

It seems that there have been offered, over the years, a number of federal easements on the tortoise issue for development projects involving Reid's friends, but no effort to help the ranchers, and they have in fact run most of the ranchers out of business.

Easements on the tortoise issue? How does one gain an easement on a threatened species classification?

I tried to google it but all the results were right-wing blogs. I clicked two or three and all I got were barely legible rants with zero support or documentation of their claims. Do you have any links to reputable sources on this?

 

[Rove!]

FW: FW: FWD:FW: FW: FWD:FW: FW: FWD:FW: FW: FWD:FW: FW: FWD:

http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jan/28/nation/na-reid28

 

[TobiasFunke]

FW: FW: FWD:FW: FW: FWD:FW: FW: FWD:FW: FW: FWD:FW: FW: FWD:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/11/AR2006101101640.html

Holy ####, are you kidding me?

Not only is there no indication that this deal is anywhere near the BLM managed land at issue in the current controversy, but that's private land. It has about as much to do with this rancher standoff as that US Airways tweet with the picture of the woman with the plane in her cockpit.

 

[pantagrapher]

"If they’re going to start killing people, I’m sorry, but to show the world how ruthless these people are, women needed to be the first ones shot. I’m sorry, that sounds horrible. I would have put my own wife or daughters there, and I would have been screaming bloody murder to watch them die. I would gone next, I would have been the next one to be killed. I’m not afraid to die here. I’m willing to die here."

Right-wing heroes. Reasonable people.

 

[fatness]

FW: FW: FWD:FW: FW: FWD:FW: FW: FWD:FW: FW: FWD:FW: FW: FWD:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/11/AR2006101101640.html

Holy ####, are you kidding me?

Not only is there no indication that this deal is anywhere near the BLM managed land at issue in the current controversy, but that's private land. It has about as much to do with this rancher standoff as that US Airways tweet with the picture of the woman with the plane in her cockpit.

Rove doesn't know what his links say. His job is just to post them, with a talking point now and then.

 

[fatness]

"Prescriptive rights"

Tremendous.

I liked this part, too:

When Devlin reached out to the BLM, he suggested that the federal agency just allow Bundy to pay the fees to the county rather than continuing with these aggressive tactics to confiscate his cattle.

“Why don’t you just let him pay them there (Clarke County)? I got a call back from the liaison saying ‘Yes, pursue it.’” Devlin reached out to contacts in Nevada to get that process moving forward. If that were to happen, Clarke County could collect the grazing fees and if it desired to do so could hand those fees over to the BLM.

Yes, why not allow people to just pay fees and other debts to whomever they want? Didn't pay your income taxes this year? Just give the money to your local high school! They can pay the IRS if they desire to do so.

This is groundbreaking stuff, really. If you steal gas for 20 years you acquire prescriptive rights to keep stealing it.

 

[Rove!]

FW: FW: FWD:FW: FW: FWD:FW: FW: FWD:FW: FW: FWD:FW: FW: FWD:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/31/us-usa-china-reid-solar-idUSBRE87U06D20120831

In December, Clark County commissioners voted unanimously to sell up to 9,000 acres of public land to the subsidiary at pennies on the dollar.

The deal spurred local controversy. Separate appraisals valued the land at $29.6 million and $38.6 million. The commission agreed to sell it to ENN for $4.5 million.

 

[TobiasFunke]

FW: FW: FWD:FW: FW: FWD:FW: FW: FWD:FW: FW: FWD:FW: FW: FWD:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/31/us-usa-china-reid-solar-idUSBRE87U06D20120831

In December, Clark County commissioners voted unanimously to sell up to 9,000 acres of public land to the subsidiary at pennies on the dollar.

The deal spurred local controversy. Separate appraisals valued the land at $29.6 million and $38.6 million. The commission agreed to sell it to ENN for $4.5 million.

This isn't even like shooting fish in a barrel- it's really just a barrel of dead fish.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=705649&p=16727023

 

[Rove!]

Fwww another voice from the left...

http://www.kcet.org/news/rewire/commentary/sorting-fact-from-fiction-on-chinese-solar-in-nevada.html

Gold Butte has indeed been mentioned as mitigation land to allow companies to build solar projects on other tortoise habitat, just as Clark County bought out and retired the local grazing permits to excuse its building sprawling suburbs on tortoise habitat in Vegas. If Daniels had stopped there, pointing out that the BLM's concern for tortoises seems to be erratic and context-driven at best, and that Reid has a long history of pushing for development of tortoise habitat if his political base stands to profit, there'd have been nothing wrong with the story.

About the AuthorChris Clarke is a natural history writer and environmental journalist currently at work on a book about the Joshua tree. He lives in Joshua Tree.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Fwww another voice from the left...

http://www.kcet.org/news/rewire/commentary/sorting-fact-from-fiction-on-chinese-solar-in-nevada.html

Gold Butte has indeed been mentioned as mitigation land to allow companies to build solar projects on other tortoise habitat, just as Clark County bought out and retired the local grazing permits to excuse its building sprawling suburbs on tortoise habitat in Vegas. If Daniels had stopped there, pointing out that the BLM's concern for tortoises seems to be erratic and context-driven at best, and that Reid has a long history of pushing for development of tortoise habitat if his political base stands to profit, there'd have been nothing wrong with the story.

About the Author

Chris Clarke is a natural history writer and environmental journalist currently at work on a book about the Joshua tree. He lives in Joshua Tree.

Immediately after where you cut off the article ...

But that wouldn't have been a good enough conspiracy, in that it all takes place on the public record.

So Daniels plops a specific project into the article's text, hilariously out of context for readers familiar with the details, but in a way that suggests it's the real reason for the BLM action to round up Bundy's cattle:

Back in 2012, the New American reported that Harry Reid's son, Rory Reid, was the chief representative for a Chinese energy firm planning to build a $5-billion solar plant on public land in Laughlin, Nevada.
The article then discusses the project at some length, quoting a Reuters article from August 2012.

There's a reason for that 2012 dateline in the Reuters piece: The "Chinese energy firm" being discussed is ENN Mojave Energy, and the project was canceled in 2013 after languishing for many months unbuilt and unfunded. There haven't been many articles on the project since 2012, for the simple reason that it became clear it probably wasn't happening around then.

To be clear, Daniels did not specifically say that the ENN Mojave Energy project was planned for the land on which Bundy's cattle now trespass. But that's certainly what people took away from it: Harry Reid ordered Bundy's cattle removed so that his son Rory could build a solar project on it for the Chinese Communists.

There are two little problems with that interpretation of the story, one of which lends support for the notion that Americans have no idea how to read maps: Bundy's cattle are in Bunkerville, Nevada which is here, and the proposed ENN plant would have been sited in Laughlin Nevada, which is here, and the two places are almost 180 miles apart.

Even if ENN's project was still a going concern, alleging that Bundy's cattle are being moved because of ENN is about like saying you got kicked out of your apartment in Los Angeles because your landlord wants to build a new building in Fresno. When the real reason is you haven't paid rent since the first year of the Clinton Administration.

The other little problem? The idea of land being used as mitigation for habitat destroyed elsewhere pretty much depends on the habitat being protected. Which means not building solar on it, whether by a Chinese-owned firm or an all-American crew like First Solar.

 

[glock]

Fwww another voice from the left...

http://www.kcet.org/news/rewire/commentary/sorting-fact-from-fiction-on-chinese-solar-in-nevada.html

Gold Butte has indeed been mentioned as mitigation land to allow companies to build solar projects on other tortoise habitat, just as Clark County bought out and retired the local grazing permits to excuse its building sprawling suburbs on tortoise habitat in Vegas. If Daniels had stopped there, pointing out that the BLM's concern for tortoises seems to be erratic and context-driven at best, and that Reid has a long history of pushing for development of tortoise habitat if his political base stands to profit, there'd have been nothing wrong with the story.

About the Author

Chris Clarke is a natural history writer and environmental journalist currently at work on a book about the Joshua tree. He lives in Joshua Tree.

Immediately after where you cut off the article ...

But that wouldn't have been a good enough conspiracy, in that it all takes place on the public record.

So Daniels plops a specific project into the article's text, hilariously out of context for readers familiar with the details, but in a way that suggests it's the real reason for the BLM action to round up Bundy's cattle:

Back in 2012, the New American reported that Harry Reid's son, Rory Reid, was the chief representative for a Chinese energy firm planning to build a $5-billion solar plant on public land in Laughlin, Nevada.
The article then discusses the project at some length, quoting a Reuters article from August 2012.

There's a reason for that 2012 dateline in the Reuters piece: The "Chinese energy firm" being discussed is ENN Mojave Energy, and the project was canceled in 2013 after languishing for many months unbuilt and unfunded. There haven't been many articles on the project since 2012, for the simple reason that it became clear it probably wasn't happening around then.

To be clear, Daniels did not specifically say that the ENN Mojave Energy project was planned for the land on which Bundy's cattle now trespass. But that's certainly what people took away from it: Harry Reid ordered Bundy's cattle removed so that his son Rory could build a solar project on it for the Chinese Communists.

There are two little problems with that interpretation of the story, one of which lends support for the notion that Americans have no idea how to read maps: Bundy's cattle are in Bunkerville, Nevada which is here, and the proposed ENN plant would have been sited in Laughlin Nevada, which is here, and the two places are almost 180 miles apart.

Even if ENN's project was still a going concern, alleging that Bundy's cattle are being moved because of ENN is about like saying you got kicked out of your apartment in Los Angeles because your landlord wants to build a new building in Fresno. When the real reason is you haven't paid rent since the first year of the Clinton Administration.

The other little problem? The idea of land being used as mitigation for habitat destroyed elsewhere pretty much depends on the habitat being protected. Which means not building solar on it, whether by a Chinese-owned firm or an all-American crew like First Solar.

A rather glaring omission, wouldn't you say??

 

[TobiasFunke]

Fwww another voice from the left...

http://www.kcet.org/news/rewire/commentary/sorting-fact-from-fiction-on-chinese-solar-in-nevada.html

Gold Butte has indeed been mentioned as mitigation land to allow companies to build solar projects on other tortoise habitat, just as Clark County bought out and retired the local grazing permits to excuse its building sprawling suburbs on tortoise habitat in Vegas. If Daniels had stopped there, pointing out that the BLM's concern for tortoises seems to be erratic and context-driven at best, and that Reid has a long history of pushing for development of tortoise habitat if his political base stands to profit, there'd have been nothing wrong with the story.

About the Author

Chris Clarke is a natural history writer and environmental journalist currently at work on a book about the Joshua tree. He lives in Joshua Tree.

Immediately after where you cut off the article ...

But that wouldn't have been a good enough conspiracy, in that it all takes place on the public record.

So Daniels plops a specific project into the article's text, hilariously out of context for readers familiar with the details, but in a way that suggests it's the real reason for the BLM action to round up Bundy's cattle:

Back in 2012, the New American reported that Harry Reid's son, Rory Reid, was the chief representative for a Chinese energy firm planning to build a $5-billion solar plant on public land in Laughlin, Nevada.
The article then discusses the project at some length, quoting a Reuters article from August 2012.

There's a reason for that 2012 dateline in the Reuters piece: The "Chinese energy firm" being discussed is ENN Mojave Energy, and the project was canceled in 2013 after languishing for many months unbuilt and unfunded. There haven't been many articles on the project since 2012, for the simple reason that it became clear it probably wasn't happening around then.

To be clear, Daniels did not specifically say that the ENN Mojave Energy project was planned for the land on which Bundy's cattle now trespass. But that's certainly what people took away from it: Harry Reid ordered Bundy's cattle removed so that his son Rory could build a solar project on it for the Chinese Communists.

There are two little problems with that interpretation of the story, one of which lends support for the notion that Americans have no idea how to read maps: Bundy's cattle are in Bunkerville, Nevada which is here, and the proposed ENN plant would have been sited in Laughlin Nevada, which is here, and the two places are almost 180 miles apart.

Even if ENN's project was still a going concern, alleging that Bundy's cattle are being moved because of ENN is about like saying you got kicked out of your apartment in Los Angeles because your landlord wants to build a new building in Fresno. When the real reason is you haven't paid rent since the first year of the Clinton Administration.

The other little problem? The idea of land being used as mitigation for habitat destroyed elsewhere pretty much depends on the habitat being protected. Which means not building solar on it, whether by a Chinese-owned firm or an all-American crew like First Solar.

A rather glaring omission, wouldn't you say??

He's obviously just trolling, but since it only takes 30 seconds to call out his BS I figure might as well make sure no readers of the thread are misled.

 

[timschochet]

All this proves to me is that TobiasFunke is part of the conspiracy.

 

[glock]

Fwww another voice from the left...

http://www.kcet.org/news/rewire/commentary/sorting-fact-from-fiction-on-chinese-solar-in-nevada.html

Gold Butte has indeed been mentioned as mitigation land to allow companies to build solar projects on other tortoise habitat, just as Clark County bought out and retired the local grazing permits to excuse its building sprawling suburbs on tortoise habitat in Vegas. If Daniels had stopped there, pointing out that the BLM's concern for tortoises seems to be erratic and context-driven at best, and that Reid has a long history of pushing for development of tortoise habitat if his political base stands to profit, there'd have been nothing wrong with the story.

About the Author

Chris Clarke is a natural history writer and environmental journalist currently at work on a book about the Joshua tree. He lives in Joshua Tree.

Immediately after where you cut off the article ...

But that wouldn't have been a good enough conspiracy, in that it all takes place on the public record.

So Daniels plops a specific project into the article's text, hilariously out of context for readers familiar with the details, but in a way that suggests it's the real reason for the BLM action to round up Bundy's cattle:

Back in 2012, the New American reported that Harry Reid's son, Rory Reid, was the chief representative for a Chinese energy firm planning to build a $5-billion solar plant on public land in Laughlin, Nevada.
The article then discusses the project at some length, quoting a Reuters article from August 2012.

There's a reason for that 2012 dateline in the Reuters piece: The "Chinese energy firm" being discussed is ENN Mojave Energy, and the project was canceled in 2013 after languishing for many months unbuilt and unfunded. There haven't been many articles on the project since 2012, for the simple reason that it became clear it probably wasn't happening around then.

To be clear, Daniels did not specifically say that the ENN Mojave Energy project was planned for the land on which Bundy's cattle now trespass. But that's certainly what people took away from it: Harry Reid ordered Bundy's cattle removed so that his son Rory could build a solar project on it for the Chinese Communists.

There are two little problems with that interpretation of the story, one of which lends support for the notion that Americans have no idea how to read maps: Bundy's cattle are in Bunkerville, Nevada which is here, and the proposed ENN plant would have been sited in Laughlin Nevada, which is here, and the two places are almost 180 miles apart.

Even if ENN's project was still a going concern, alleging that Bundy's cattle are being moved because of ENN is about like saying you got kicked out of your apartment in Los Angeles because your landlord wants to build a new building in Fresno. When the real reason is you haven't paid rent since the first year of the Clinton Administration.

The other little problem? The idea of land being used as mitigation for habitat destroyed elsewhere pretty much depends on the habitat being protected. Which means not building solar on it, whether by a Chinese-owned firm or an all-American crew like First Solar.

A rather glaring omission, wouldn't you say??

He's obviously just trolling, but since it only takes 30 seconds to call out his BS I figure might as well make sure no readers of the thread are misled.

I lack the energy that I used to put into just this...

 

[The General]

Does Rove! always get completely destroyed in threads? That was impressive.

 

[Rove!]

Fwww another voice from the left...

http://www.kcet.org/news/rewire/commentary/sorting-fact-from-fiction-on-chinese-solar-in-nevada.html

Gold Butte has indeed been mentioned as mitigation land to allow companies to build solar projects on other tortoise habitat, just as Clark County bought out and retired the local grazing permits to excuse its building sprawling suburbs on tortoise habitat in Vegas. If Daniels had stopped there, pointing out that the BLM's concern for tortoises seems to be erratic and context-driven at best, and that Reid has a long history of pushing for development of tortoise habitat if his political base stands to profit, there'd have been nothing wrong with the story.

About the Author

Chris Clarke is a natural history writer and environmental journalist currently at work on a book about the Joshua tree. He lives in Joshua Tree.

Immediately after where you cut off the article ...

But that wouldn't have been a good enough conspiracy, in that it all takes place on the public record.

So Daniels plops a specific project into the article's text, hilariously out of context for readers familiar with the details, but in a way that suggests it's the real reason for the BLM action to round up Bundy's cattle:

Back in 2012, the New American reported that Harry Reid's son, Rory Reid, was the chief representative for a Chinese energy firm planning to build a $5-billion solar plant on public land in Laughlin, Nevada.
The article then discusses the project at some length, quoting a Reuters article from August 2012.

There's a reason for that 2012 dateline in the Reuters piece: The "Chinese energy firm" being discussed is ENN Mojave Energy, and the project was canceled in 2013 after languishing for many months unbuilt and unfunded. There haven't been many articles on the project since 2012, for the simple reason that it became clear it probably wasn't happening around then.

To be clear, Daniels did not specifically say that the ENN Mojave Energy project was planned for the land on which Bundy's cattle now trespass. But that's certainly what people took away from it: Harry Reid ordered Bundy's cattle removed so that his son Rory could build a solar project on it for the Chinese Communists.

There are two little problems with that interpretation of the story, one of which lends support for the notion that Americans have no idea how to read maps: Bundy's cattle are in Bunkerville, Nevada which is here, and the proposed ENN plant would have been sited in Laughlin Nevada, which is here, and the two places are almost 180 miles apart.

Even if ENN's project was still a going concern, alleging that Bundy's cattle are being moved because of ENN is about like saying you got kicked out of your apartment in Los Angeles because your landlord wants to build a new building in Fresno. When the real reason is you haven't paid rent since the first year of the Clinton Administration.

The other little problem? The idea of land being used as mitigation for habitat destroyed elsewhere pretty much depends on the habitat being protected. Which means not building solar on it, whether by a Chinese-owned firm or an all-American crew like First Solar.

Not here to defend this random straw man piece from some blog. what is asserted is plenty enough to chew on and to assess Reid's role in BLM decisions. I'm not siding with the Kooks or the KrooKs....

 

[TobiasFunke]

Fwww another voice from the left...

http://www.kcet.org/news/rewire/commentary/sorting-fact-from-fiction-on-chinese-solar-in-nevada.html

Gold Butte has indeed been mentioned as mitigation land to allow companies to build solar projects on other tortoise habitat, just as Clark County bought out and retired the local grazing permits to excuse its building sprawling suburbs on tortoise habitat in Vegas. If Daniels had stopped there, pointing out that the BLM's concern for tortoises seems to be erratic and context-driven at best, and that Reid has a long history of pushing for development of tortoise habitat if his political base stands to profit, there'd have been nothing wrong with the story.

About the Author

Chris Clarke is a natural history writer and environmental journalist currently at work on a book about the Joshua tree. He lives in Joshua Tree.

Immediately after where you cut off the article ...

But that wouldn't have been a good enough conspiracy, in that it all takes place on the public record.

So Daniels plops a specific project into the article's text, hilariously out of context for readers familiar with the details, but in a way that suggests it's the real reason for the BLM action to round up Bundy's cattle:

Back in 2012, the New American reported that Harry Reid's son, Rory Reid, was the chief representative for a Chinese energy firm planning to build a $5-billion solar plant on public land in Laughlin, Nevada.
The article then discusses the project at some length, quoting a Reuters article from August 2012.

There's a reason for that 2012 dateline in the Reuters piece: The "Chinese energy firm" being discussed is ENN Mojave Energy, and the project was canceled in 2013 after languishing for many months unbuilt and unfunded. There haven't been many articles on the project since 2012, for the simple reason that it became clear it probably wasn't happening around then.

To be clear, Daniels did not specifically say that the ENN Mojave Energy project was planned for the land on which Bundy's cattle now trespass. But that's certainly what people took away from it: Harry Reid ordered Bundy's cattle removed so that his son Rory could build a solar project on it for the Chinese Communists.

There are two little problems with that interpretation of the story, one of which lends support for the notion that Americans have no idea how to read maps: Bundy's cattle are in Bunkerville, Nevada which is here, and the proposed ENN plant would have been sited in Laughlin Nevada, which is here, and the two places are almost 180 miles apart.

Even if ENN's project was still a going concern, alleging that Bundy's cattle are being moved because of ENN is about like saying you got kicked out of your apartment in Los Angeles because your landlord wants to build a new building in Fresno. When the real reason is you haven't paid rent since the first year of the Clinton Administration.

The other little problem? The idea of land being used as mitigation for habitat destroyed elsewhere pretty much depends on the habitat being protected. Which means not building solar on it, whether by a Chinese-owned firm or an all-American crew like First Solar.

Not here to defend this random straw man piece from some blog. what is asserted is plenty enough to chew on and to assess Reid's role in BLM decisions. I'm not siding with the Kooks or the KrooKs....

No, you brought up all this stuff specifically in response to the question of what Reid has to do with this, i.e. the subject of this tread, the Nevada rancher standoff. Link You have yet to establish such a link.

If your concern is that the BLM affords Reid's family/friends preferential treatment in authorizing projects that impact threatened species, that's a separate matter for a separate thread. We can discuss concepts like mitigation efforts like Habitat Conservation Plans under the Endangered Species Act there, if you like. We can talk about whether you approve of the concept of HCPs generally, or specifically whether Reid's friends and family have satisfied those requirements with respect to various projects.

But that has zero to do with the subject of this thread, which is whether this lunatic should be allowed to violate federal law, bail on debts to the government (and by extension taxpayers) and point guns at federal officials who have the nerve to try to do their job.

 

[tom22406]

Wouldn't the easy thing to do for the feds have been to just put a lein on Bundy's property to get back the funds?

No doubts he is breaking the law here I just dispute the way they are going about trying to solve this.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Wouldn't the easy thing to do for the feds have been to just put a lein on Bundy's property to get back the funds?

No doubts he is breaking the law here I just dispute the way they are going about trying to solve this.

How? The guy brought his property onto federal land managed by BLM where it could be easily seized and used to pay off his debt. Even if BLM has the authority under the statute to seek a lien of private property to pay off the debt (I have no idea if they do), it's far easier to take possession of property on your land then to take possession of property on private land. If some nutjob who disregards government authority is willing to take up arms to defend his cattle, what makes you think he wouldn't take up arms to defend his land?

ETA: Well not easily seized, obviously. But more easily than obtaining a lien and then taking possession of real property, one would assume.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

Rove! Is wonderful.

 

[tom22406]

Wouldn't the easy thing to do for the feds have been to just put a lein on Bundy's property to get back the funds?

No doubts he is breaking the law here I just dispute the way they are going about trying to solve this.

How? The guy brought his property onto federal land managed by BLM where it could be easily seized and used to pay off his debt. Even if BLM has the authority under the statute to seek a lien of private property to pay off the debt (I have no idea if they do), it's far easier to take possession of property on your land then to take possession of property on private land. If some nutjob who disregards government authority is willing to take up arms to defend his cattle, what makes you think he wouldn't take up arms to defend his land?

ETA: Well not easily seized, obviously. But more easily than obtaining a lien and then taking possession of real property, one would assume.

I just think that may have been the correct next step instead of sending in weapons knowing the guy is a threat to use them against you but that's just me.Others seem fine with using whatever force is needed to get rid of the problem,I'm not one of those.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Wouldn't the easy thing to do for the feds have been to just put a lein on Bundy's property to get back the funds?

No doubts he is breaking the law here I just dispute the way they are going about trying to solve this.

How? The guy brought his property onto federal land managed by BLM where it could be easily seized and used to pay off his debt. Even if BLM has the authority under the statute to seek a lien of private property to pay off the debt (I have no idea if they do), it's far easier to take possession of property on your land then to take possession of property on private land. If some nutjob who disregards government authority is willing to take up arms to defend his cattle, what makes you think he wouldn't take up arms to defend his land?

ETA: Well not easily seized, obviously. But more easily than obtaining a lien and then taking possession of real property, one would assume.

I just think that may have been the correct next step instead of sending in weapons knowing the guy is a threat to use them against you but that's just me.Others seem fine with using whatever force is needed to get rid of the problem,I'm not one of those.

The correct next step would have been to seize his cattle by force and toss him and anyone else who fights their efforts in jail, just like they would with any other idiot who resists law enforcement.

The problem is that a bunch of conservatives and conspiracy theorists have taken a relatively simple case of an idiot violating federal law, welching on his seven figure debt and resisting law enforcement, and turned it into some sort of bizarre political cause. And now they have to spend millions of tax dollars coming up with a different solution that doesn't harm their public image or start some larger movement or get this fiasco unfairly thrown onto lists with Waco and Ruby Ridge. So thanks for that, guys!

 

[tom22406]

Wouldn't the easy thing to do for the feds have been to just put a lein on Bundy's property to get back the funds?

No doubts he is breaking the law here I just dispute the way they are going about trying to solve this.

How? The guy brought his property onto federal land managed by BLM where it could be easily seized and used to pay off his debt. Even if BLM has the authority under the statute to seek a lien of private property to pay off the debt (I have no idea if they do), it's far easier to take possession of property on your land then to take possession of property on private land. If some nutjob who disregards government authority is willing to take up arms to defend his cattle, what makes you think he wouldn't take up arms to defend his land?

ETA: Well not easily seized, obviously. But more easily than obtaining a lien and then taking possession of real property, one would assume.

I just think that may have been the correct next step instead of sending in weapons knowing the guy is a threat to use them against you but that's just me.Others seem fine with using whatever force is needed to get rid of the problem,I'm not one of those.

The correct next step would have been to seize his cattle by force and toss him and anyone else who fights their efforts in jail, just like they would with any other idiot who resists law enforcement.

Well thankfully cooler heads prevailed,for now at least.

 

[glock]

Wouldn't the easy thing to do for the feds have been to just put a lein on Bundy's property to get back the funds?

No doubts he is breaking the law here I just dispute the way they are going about trying to solve this.

How? The guy brought his property onto federal land managed by BLM where it could be easily seized and used to pay off his debt. Even if BLM has the authority under the statute to seek a lien of private property to pay off the debt (I have no idea if they do), it's far easier to take possession of property on your land then to take possession of property on private land. If some nutjob who disregards government authority is willing to take up arms to defend his cattle, what makes you think he wouldn't take up arms to defend his land?

ETA: Well not easily seized, obviously. But more easily than obtaining a lien and then taking possession of real property, one would assume.

I just think that may have been the correct next step instead of sending in weapons knowing the guy is a threat to use them against you but that's just me.Others seem fine with using whatever force is needed to get rid of the problem,I'm not one of those.

The correct next step would have been to seize his cattle by force and toss him and anyone else who fights their efforts in jail, just like they would with any other idiot who resists law enforcement.

Well thankfully cooler heads prevailed,for now at least.

I dunno. I would've been fine with that. Why not you?

 

[SWC]

i think they should have called the guys from cops to come over and chase him around on tape and then kneel on his head for a while while they play the bad boys song that would have been what i wanted to see hey man bad boys bad boys whatcha goona do whatcha gonna do when they shoot your cattle and kneel on you and then that voice would say cops if filmed live with real cops bam take that to the bank bromigos

 

[tom22406]

Wouldn't the easy thing to do for the feds have been to just put a lein on Bundy's property to get back the funds?

No doubts he is breaking the law here I just dispute the way they are going about trying to solve this.

How? The guy brought his property onto federal land managed by BLM where it could be easily seized and used to pay off his debt. Even if BLM has the authority under the statute to seek a lien of private property to pay off the debt (I have no idea if they do), it's far easier to take possession of property on your land then to take possession of property on private land. If some nutjob who disregards government authority is willing to take up arms to defend his cattle, what makes you think he wouldn't take up arms to defend his land?

ETA: Well not easily seized, obviously. But more easily than obtaining a lien and then taking possession of real property, one would assume.

I just think that may have been the correct next step instead of sending in weapons knowing the guy is a threat to use them against you but that's just me.Others seem fine with using whatever force is needed to get rid of the problem,I'm not one of those.

The correct next step would have been to seize his cattle by force and toss him and anyone else who fights their efforts in jail, just like they would with any other idiot who resists law enforcement.

Well thankfully cooler heads prevailed,for now at least.

I dunno. I would've been fine with that. Why not you?

With all the nuts that were at the ranch I don't see this as simple as just taking them into custody.I have no doubts one ####### would have started something that would have ended pretty badly for quite a few people.

Now if you tell me they can take him in with no trouble I say fine but from the way it was shaping up it wasn't gonna happen so they did the wise thing and backed off.

 

[glock]

Wouldn't the easy thing to do for the feds have been to just put a lein on Bundy's property to get back the funds?

No doubts he is breaking the law here I just dispute the way they are going about trying to solve this.

How? The guy brought his property onto federal land managed by BLM where it could be easily seized and used to pay off his debt. Even if BLM has the authority under the statute to seek a lien of private property to pay off the debt (I have no idea if they do), it's far easier to take possession of property on your land then to take possession of property on private land. If some nutjob who disregards government authority is willing to take up arms to defend his cattle, what makes you think he wouldn't take up arms to defend his land?

ETA: Well not easily seized, obviously. But more easily than obtaining a lien and then taking possession of real property, one would assume.

I just think that may have been the correct next step instead of sending in weapons knowing the guy is a threat to use them against you but that's just me.Others seem fine with using whatever force is needed to get rid of the problem,I'm not one of those.

The correct next step would have been to seize his cattle by force and toss him and anyone else who fights their efforts in jail, just like they would with any other idiot who resists law enforcement.

Well thankfully cooler heads prevailed,for now at least.

I dunno. I would've been fine with that. Why not you?

With all the nuts that were at the ranch I don't see this as simple as just taking them into custody.I have no doubts one ####### would have started something that would have ended pretty badly for quite a few people.

Now if you tell me they can take him in with no trouble I say fine but from the way it was shaping up it wasn't gonna happen so they did the wise thing and backed off.

Okay. Given the wimmin-sacrificing cowboys, I'll agree.

 

[Rove!]

Isn't Harry Reid the type of guy the leftists are supposed to despise? Crony "capitalist" who uses his power to enrich himself, while abusing the "little people" and displacing endangered animals and degrading the environment in the process...must feel weird for you guys to defend him

 

[Rove!]

FW: FW: FWD:FW: FW: FWD:FW: FW: FWD:FW: FW: FWD:FW: FW: FWD:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/31/us-usa-china-reid-solar-idUSBRE87U06D20120831

In December, Clark County commissioners voted unanimously to sell up to 9,000 acres of public land to the subsidiary at pennies on the dollar.

The deal spurred local controversy. Separate appraisals valued the land at $29.6 million and $38.6 million. The commission agreed to sell it to ENN for $4.5 million.

This isn't even like shooting fish in a barrel- it's really just a barrel of dead fish.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=705649&p=16727023

None of that disputes the Reuters piece that states that they agreed to sell the land at a fraction of its value

 

[Homer J Simpson]

Isn't Harry Reid the type of guy the leftists are supposed to despise? Crony "capitalist" who uses his power to enrich himself, while abusing the "little people" and displacing endangered animals and degrading the environment in the process...must feel weird for you guys to defend him

Who says we like him?

 

[jon_mx]

Isn't Harry Reid the type of guy the leftists are supposed to despise? Crony "capitalist" who uses his power to enrich himself, while abusing the "little people" and displacing endangered animals and degrading the environment in the process...must feel weird for you guys to defend him

Who says we like him?

Come on. We know you have a blowup Harry Reid doll.

 

[Zow]

i think they should have called the guys from cops to come over and chase him around on tape and then kneel on his head for a while while they play the bad boys song that would have been what i wanted to see hey man bad boys bad boys whatcha goona do whatcha gonna do when they shoot your cattle and kneel on you and then that voice would say cops if filmed live with real cops bam take that to the bank bromigos

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