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Racist rhetoric in public (1 Viewer)

squistion said:
At the below link, is a Caucasian man in Midtown Manhattan harassed two Latina women for speaking Spanish to each other at Fresh Kitchen and threatened to call ICE

http://gothamist.com/2018/05/16/nyc_bigot_fresh_kitchen_video.php
 

Obviously this type of behavior is not new and existed well before Trump became President. But it seems that more and more incidents like this are happening with bigots publically confronting those who they believe have not conformed or assimilated to American culture to the degree they feel they should. And I suspect these people have become emboldened by having a President who has openly made what is perceived to be racist remarks against Latinos and people of color

Is this behavior becoming more common or is it just being captured on social media? Is Trump responsible either directly or indirectly?

Thoughts?
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This scumbag grew up in my area actually. Kind of. There's two different sections of my town and this guy lived in the richer side of Town. It's the same area Former Flyer John LeClair lives in. The dude went to the Private School so he's your typical entitled Delco trash douchnoozle. The kicker here is this dude knows Spanish too. There's also another video out now of him berating another foreigner two yrs ago. Unfortunately thanks to Trump and people like him the racist think it's safe to come out of the wood works. You are seeing more and more "bravado" out of clowns like this. When Trump didn't condemn the Alt Right and White Supremacist in Charlottesville last year that spoke volumes. He's giving these racist clowns a platform they haven't had since before Brown vs Board of Education days. I don't care if people have a difference of opinion but to go out and harass people because of differences is a scummy move. This clown also belongs to an alt right White Supremacist group. The dude is lucky he's not in Germany as you get arrested for that type of crap now for obvious reasons. 

 
Matthias said:
Live in NYC. Never heard any friends have a problem with this. Right after the election, I had numerous female friends of non-white races be harassed and demeaned because of their race in Manhattan. I haven't heard them say anything recently, but yeah, it's a thing.
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After the election my Muslim friend got attacked on the train going to his Job. In Philly there was a section where The N word and all Monkey's must die spray painted as well as vandalized cars after Trump was elected. I also have a family friend who is Spainish who's daughter was gang rapped that the police called a hate crime. One of the girls my Mom works with had her Hijab (The scarf Muslim women wear) pulled off of her while another person dumped hot coffee on her head. I've never seen such animalistic behavior in my town or city until Trump was elected President. He's basically giving these scumbags a platform. The good thing is now I know which people I know who are ignorant racist bigots who hid for yrs. I now know who they truly are personally. I will say there's a few I was quite surprised by and a few I wasn't at all. Fortunately we still have good people out there trying to stop this behavior. I now carry a switch blade with me at all times when hanging with my minority friends. That way if someone wants to try to #### with them they'll have a nice surprise. One of my minority friends who was totally against violence and firearms ended up purchasing a Glock as he was fearful wha might happen to him when not with his myself and other white friends who he knew would protect him. I know people now who are going out and purchasing firearms to protect themselves, knives, brace knuckles and women carrying mace and other things with them. Scary times we live in no unfortunately

 
Mr.Pack said:
I agree with squis here. Before Trump I never heard a black man referred to as the n word, never heard a gay person referred to as the f word, etc.

Trump started all of this.
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I think with Trump people feel more brazen about it now that someone is in a huge public power that isn't condemning them they feel they can do it out in the open more. They use to hide like coach roaches and now they are out in force on a daily basis. 

 
Apple Jack said:
This guy is definitely an ####### of the highest order, but why would he be barred from entering a building where he has an office?
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Gee maybe they don't want the piece of #### to be associated with them? Frankly I'd just fire the guy. If this happened at my work he'd have already been terminated by the higher ups. In my job we can get fired if the company or someone reports to the company inappropriate posts as well even if it's not about the company. Some people will claim its fair but my company is also publicly traded and can't have #### like that compromising the business. 

 
pantherclub said:
see this is where it gets troublesome for me. should him flipping out totally destroy his livelihood?
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Yes he's a working professional. If he rather make a clown out of himself go for it but it won't be on the company or whatever contract he signed time. People like him can effect business. Obviously you don't like seeing people lose their jobs or anything over these things but there's also video of him harassing someone else about two yrs ago. I think the company is safe letting him go at this point. 

 
Henry Ford said:
Hey, Joe.  I wish this were true all over and I suspect it is where you live (and in New York where this story is) but it isn’t true everywhere. There are a lot of places in this country where no one or very few people would bat an eye at this reaction.  I live in one of them.  People made a lot of fun of the “wear a safety pin to show you’re safe” movement after the election, but the few liberals or progressives where I live (including me) still do it pretty often.  And it helps.

However, as I stated earlier, it isn’t “becoming normalized.”  It’s been normal in those places for a very long time. We should have been doing something like that for decades. 

As I also said earlier, I’ve never had a job that wasn’t working for myself where some white person hasn’t used the n-word in my presence. And it’s usually the boss. And I’m in a supposedly enlightened profession these days. 
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BS

 
I live in a city in south Louisiana with less than 10,000 people in it. This happened in a local place some people would literally cheer. 

 
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The Commish said:
He doesn't have to.  Unless he's moved, he has plenty of evidence around him of what you're saying as 100% fact right there in the Carolinas.  There are pockets up there where people try to pretend things don't happen/exist, but for the most part people aren't shy about race.
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I grew up in rural Alamance county, I live in rural Carteret county.    I have never seen a public outburst like that, never seen anyone trashing someones race publicly like the instances we are talking about.

The last time I can remember seeing a white dude call a black guy the n word was in high school during a basketball game and that resulted in a fist fight.   If you guys are living in places where this is common (which I cannot believe) then I would look into moving.

 
pantherclub said:
I grew up in rural Alamance county, I live in rural Carteret county.    I have never seen a public outburst like that, never seen anyone trashing someones race publicly like the instances we are talking about.

The last time I can remember seeing a white dude call a black guy the n word was in high school during a basketball game and that resulted in a fist fight.   If you guys are living in places where this is common (which I cannot believe) then I would look into moving.
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I sue people for civil rights violations and maritime personal injuries.  I’ll take “move out of south Louisiana” under advisement, thanks. 

 
pantherclub said:
I grew up in rural Alamance county, I live in rural Carteret county.    I have never seen a public outburst like that, never seen anyone trashing someones race publicly like the instances we are talking about.

The last time I can remember seeing a white dude call a black guy the n word was in high school during a basketball game and that resulted in a fist fight.   If you guys are living in places where this is common (which I cannot believe) then I would look into moving.
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Right...as I said there are pockets.  In my personal experience, the more rural it gets and the more like minded it gets, the less out in the open it is because it doesn't have to be.  It's understood.  If you go to any of the areas with diversity, sit back and observe, you'll see it all over the place.  It is what it is.  I spent 40 of my 43 years in the NC/SC area living in small towns like Brevard.  Grew up in Asheville, spent most of my 20s-30s in the CLT area.  It's all over those areas.  Heck, as a kid, it was uncommon to be driving down some rural state road in SC and see 5-6 dudes having a "rally" right there on the side of the road.  Now, I'll say I haven't seen something that overt for a long time, but that is an incredibly low bar if we are looking for "progress".

 
pantherclub said:
I grew up in rural Alamance county, I live in rural Carteret county.    I have never seen a public outburst like that, never seen anyone trashing someones race publicly like the instances we are talking about.

The last time I can remember seeing a white dude call a black guy the n word was in high school during a basketball game and that resulted in a fist fight.   If you guys are living in places where this is common (which I cannot believe) then I would look into moving.
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Have you heard anyone use the n-word when no black people are around?

 
In Benton Co, Arkansas racist language hasn't become normalized. It's normal and been that way since forever. Joe B might be technically correct (the best kind of correct), but he should understand many rural areas of Arkansas words and attitudes fly unlike the more cosmopolitan Tennessee.

 
Righetti said:
John Rocker
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When Rocker was doing his thing I had a bunch of friends of friends in the Phily/NY area that was hating on everyone living from Virginia to Florida.  If you were a Braves fan you were a racist and a number of other things.  A few months later I'm in NY visiting most of these guys, they are drunk and dropping the N-bomb all over the place.  I heard that word more in NY that weekend than the rest of my life in the south combined. 

 
Dedfin said:
In Benton Co, Arkansas racist language hasn't become normalized. It's normal and been that way since forever. Joe B might be technically correct (the best kind of correct), but he should understand many rural areas of Arkansas words and attitudes fly unlike the more cosmopolitan Tennessee.
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I appreciate the humor in the bolded phrase.

 
20 years ago I could easily find places where people would openly expect everyone to speak English.  They didn't hate on Spanish speaking people but had the attitude that if you're in America you should speak English.  I can't remember the last time I've heard anything say something like that or even hint at it though.  I'm sure it still exists in areas that aren't very diverse though.

 
Would it even help a little bit if Schlossberg offered a public apology (not, say, on social media, but live somewhere)? Or would anything conciliatory he'd possibly say at this point just come off as fake?

 
Doug B said:
Would it even help a little bit if Schlossberg offered a public apology (not, say, on social media, but live somewhere)? Or would anything conciliatory he'd possibly say at this point just come off as fake?
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It would help.  Then he’d still probably need to do something to show he’s working on it.  

 
Doug B said:
Would it even help a little bit if Schlossberg offered a public apology (not, say, on social media, but live somewhere)? Or would anything conciliatory he'd possibly say at this point just come off as fake?
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I think a lot of people with social justice concerns evolved those attitudes over a period of time. I came from a rural part of the country where people of color were most definitely thought of and treated as second class citizens, if that. Most people are pretty forgiving of someone trying to get better.

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
For a liberal that's all about giving people chances and wanting to help everyone, you sure do like to get blood and see people destroyed.  Weird to me but whatever makes you happy I suppose.
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The hard thing is: this guy still has to live in society after social media has gotten their pound of flesh. I mean, yeah, you can ruin someone for these kinds of caught-on-camera. But then what?

 
Doug B said:
Would it even help a little bit if Schlossberg offered a public apology (not, say, on social media, but live somewhere)? Or would anything conciliatory he'd possibly say at this point just come off as fake?
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It would help if this was a one-off incident and he could claim he off his meds or was coming down with the flu or whatever and did and said something out of character.

The problem is people keep coming forward with more and more reports of him engaging in this type of behavior.

Last night a woman posted his photo on Twitter and said that it was taken 3-4 years ago when he harassed a 60ish tourist on public transit (who the woman said looked Serbian) and told to him to "Get out of my country" (or something to that effect). She stood up to Schlossberg and told him this was appalling and he started cussing her out and was taking her photo. She took his in return and kept the photo and emailed it to her son at time who contacted her when the Fresh Kitchen video surfaced.

My point in, he couldn't offer an apology that anyone would believe with his well documented repeated behavior of this kind.

 
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squistion said:
It would help if this was a one-off incident and he could claim he off his meds or was coming down with the flu or whatever and did and said something out of character.

The problem is people keep coming forward with more and more reports of him engaging in this type of behavior.

Last night a woman posted that 3-4 years ago he harassed a 60ish tourist on public transit (who the woman said looked Serbian) and told to him to "Get out of my country" (or something to that effect). She stood up to Schlossberg and told him this appalling behavior and he started cussing her out and was taking her photo. She took his in return and kept the photo and emailed it to her son at time who contacted her when the Fresh Kitchen video surfaced.

My point in, he couldn't offer an apology that anyone would believe with his well documented repeated behavior of this kind.
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What next?  Ruin his life?  What does that accomplish?  He needs an education but is unlikely to even be educated.  Still the worst thing he's done is yell and curse at someone.  

 
dozer said:
Actually, the worst thing he’s done is be a racist.
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Good point. He can successfully rehabilitate himself but he's a massive fool for not seeing the ramifications of his actions beforehand. It's not like this is the first time something like this  has happened and the reaction is pretty consistent. If you're in the wrong place, and we can see by the ensuing discussion here that those places aren't universal in the US, and go off on a bigoted rant, bad things will happen to you in the short term. 

 
Doug B said:
The hard thing is: this guy still has to live in society after social media has gotten their pound of flesh. I mean, yeah, you can ruin someone for these kinds of caught-on-camera. But then what?
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The reaction is a temporary thing and he can work his way out of it. The problem is that so many still feel the way he does. This is not a "different point of view" dispute, either (which you're not necessarily saying but some will); what he did was ignorant and wrong.

 
urbanhack said:
####kng psycho.  He did this five years ago to another white guy.  WTF

https://youtu.be/y3jXyq6B2i4
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Couple of thoughts. Wow that Willie guy remained cool during the incident. Although they broke sidewalk etiquette and were walking on the wrong side it doesn’t call for a lunatic to get in your face . Does this lawyer guy have some kind of mental illness?

What’s the deal with the monkeys?Not a fan of the man bun, I wonder what his female friend would rate in the old objectifying days here. 

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
What next?  Ruin his life?  What does that accomplish?  He needs an education but is unlikely to even be educated.  Still the worst thing he's done is yell and curse at someone.  
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I’m not a fan of social media vigilantes on either side. Posting things are fine , show a fool for what they are but expanding upon that is wrong , too much a slippery slope.

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
What next?  Ruin his life?  What does that accomplish?  He needs an education but is unlikely to even be educated.  Still the worst thing he's done is yell and curse at someone.  
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He allegedly intentionally ran into a guy on 5th Avenue with his briefcase and that would be a physical assault or battery. That was not captured on video but his calling this guy an ugly ####### foreigner was.

https://twitter.com/ShaunKing/status/997096993506787328

This is the unedited video from October of 2016 of Manhattan Attorney Aaron Schlossberg assaulting, then calling a complete stranger "an ugly ####### foreigner" on the sidewalk on 5th Avenue. The man he's talking to, @morewillie, is a white man from Massachusetts
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I am expecting more accounts to surface of him doing more than just yelling at people. The guy is so in-your-face with his racism and bigotry it is not a leap to imagine his past actions have resulted in physical altercations.

 
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squistion said:
He allegedly intentionally ran into a guy on 5th Avenue with his briefcase and that would be a physical assault or battery. That was not captured on video but his calling this guy an ugly ####### foreigner was.

I am expecting more accounts to surface of him doing more than just yelling at people. The guy is so in-your-face with his racism and bigotry it is not a leap to imagine his past actions have resulted in physical altercations.
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:lmao:

 urbanhack posted a link to the video  In this thread . Guess it had to be from king, griffin or reid to be ok

 
dozer said:
Actually, the worst thing he’s done is be a racist.
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The yelling and cursing part was necessary to receive public sanction, though. "Closet racists" -- provided their public behavior never raises alarm -- may be just as racist (or more) than Schlossberg yet will never receive the backlash many must feel they deserve.

 
squistion said:
He allegedly intentionally ran into a guy on 5th Avenue with his briefcase and that would be a physical assault or battery. That was not captured on video but his calling this guy an ugly ####### foreigner was.

I am expecting more accounts to surface of him doing more than just yelling at people. The guy is so in-your-face with his racism and bigotry it is not a leap to imagine his past actions have resulted in physical altercations.
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Great.  Call the police if he assaulted someone.  I still don't understand the desire for random people to be out for blood to ruin someone's life.   

 
HellToupee said:
Couple of thoughts. Wow that Willie guy remained cool during the incident. Although they broke sidewalk etiquette and were walking on the wrong side it doesn’t call for a lunatic to get in your face . Does this lawyer guy have some kind of mental illness?

What’s the deal with the monkeys?Not a fan of the man bun, I wonder what his female friend would rate in the old objectifying days here. 
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Sidewalks are pretty big there.  Nothing wrong with walking right next to the street out of the way of people.  Might need @Otis to validate this.

This was five years ago when man buns weren't being ridiculed just yet.

 
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