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Racist rhetoric in public (1 Viewer)

I didn't know there was such a thing as sidewalk etiquette or that it was such a big deal to violate. I've always lived in the country or very small towns.

 
HellToupee said:
urbanhack posted a link to the video  In this thread . Guess it had to be from king, griffin or reid to be ok
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He said it was 5 years ago and didn't give many details. The one I posted was from 2016, 2 years ago.  As I don't click on identified links due to a slow browser, I thought it was a different incident.

 
urbanhack said:
HellToupee said:
Couple of thoughts. Wow that Willie guy remained cool during the incident. Although they broke sidewalk etiquette and were walking on the wrong side it doesn’t call for a lunatic to get in your face . Does this lawyer guy have some kind of mental illness?

What’s the deal with the monkeys?Not a fan of the man bun, I wonder what his female friend would rate in the old objectifying days here. 
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This was five years ago when man buns weren't being ridiculed just yet.
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Two years ago. And if they weren't ridiculed, they should have been.
As to illness, his behavior in both videos, plus these two from another incident last year, does seem consistently erratic/emotional, but he could just be a jerk.
https://aplus.com/a/man-berates-people-speaking-spanish-new-york-fresh-kitchen

And here's Willie's update . Be a good human. :thumbup:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLYhFcWdRRE

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
What next?  Ruin his life?  What does that accomplish?  He needs an education but is unlikely to even be educated.  Still the worst thing he's done is yell and curse at someone.  
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If you'd like to rephrase this as "the worst thing we know he's done is threaten strangers because of his racism and xenophobia while he knew he was being recorded" that's accurate.

I don't understand all this "ruin his life" talk.  He ruined his life.  The only problem is everyone knows things he actually did on video while watching himself get recorded, stone cold sober in the clear light of day. 

 
Henry Ford said:
If you'd like to rephrase this as "the worst thing we know he's done is threaten strangers because of his racism and xenophobia while he knew he was being recorded" that's accurate.

I don't understand all this "ruin his life" talk.  He ruined his life.  The only problem is everyone knows things he actually did on video while watching himself get recorded, stone cold sober in the clear light of day. 
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Indeed. He went to the well once too often. He might have missed the video posted online of him accosting the blogger and his girlfriend on 5th Ave, but he was shown up front and center screaming obscenities and harassing people at 3 different rallies/protests captured on video and he must have seen that. He probably figured he could continue (and even step it up a bit) without consequence despite the ubiquitous camera phones.

I am sure he didn't expect someone with the Twitter following of Shaun King to ask people to identify him after the Fresh Kitchen video was first shown. And it wasn't even an hour after that where 7 different people had contacted King identifying Schlossberg and providing his occupation and place of work. From there it all unraveled fairly quickly and it couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

 
Matthias said:
TBF, that's only literally his office. His building revoked his lease. But he's a solo practitioner so can't get fired. That said, he can lose his clients. And he has been referred to the NY Bar for possible sanctions.
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Yeah I noticed that this morning. Yes He probably will be sanctioned most likely will get his licensed revoked as he did break an oath as a lawyer. 

 
Doug B said:
Would it even help a little bit if Schlossberg offered a public apology (not, say, on social media, but live somewhere)? Or would anything conciliatory he'd possibly say at this point just come off as fake?
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If it came directly from him yes but most of these cases end up some written apology an attorney gives them that is incredible fake and the dude saving face. I just talked to a cousin of mine who went to the private school this guy went too. My cousin was a freshman when this guy was a SR and had friends who had brothers and sisters in his class. He basically told me he wasn't surprised by this guys actions. More or less that just typical Schlossberg behavior. He said this guy came from a pretty wealthy family (Most of the kids there at school came from wealth but his family apparently had more). The dude was entitled brat when he was younger and always got his way. I don't know if his racial behavior came from his parents because from what my cousin said his parents and family seem like great people. More or less it seems people who know this guy aren't surprised at all. 

 
HellToupee said:
I’m not a fan of social media vigilantes on either side. Posting things are fine , show a fool for what they are but expanding upon that is wrong , too much a slippery slope.
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I agree however everyone wants their 15 mins of fame. You record something and it goes viral you get some fame for posting the video. Most of the time I wonder if people really care about the actual event happening or just want their 15 mins? If I was in their position seeing that I wouldn't be recording it I'd step in and say something either way and if it got to the point call law enforcement/security or what have you. I do think recording things like this does help in a sense for court documentation and all but if you think someone is doing something wrong step in and stop it don't be the person recording it. I mean unless it's some corrupt cop having a power trip then yeah back up and hit record so the clown can lose his job by all means but overall step in and do something. I feel too many people are looking for gotcha moments. There's people on both sides just waiting for a moment and cause a scene themselves and are in the wrong hoping people react a certain way to prove their agenda. 

 
squistion said:
He allegedly intentionally ran into a guy on 5th Avenue with his briefcase and that would be a physical assault or battery. That was not captured on video but his calling this guy an ugly ####### foreigner was.

I am expecting more accounts to surface of him doing more than just yelling at people. The guy is so in-your-face with his racism and bigotry it is not a leap to imagine his past actions have resulted in physical altercations.
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Rumor from my cousin who went to school (not in same class but had friends who had brothers and sisters in his class) with this clown said he got into an altercation with another kid at school who was asian one day. It got physical and teachers broke it up. Asian kid got jaw jacked and had his mouth wired shut. This was all because he didn't like how the kid looked and thought it was wrong for some non white kid to be at such a prestigious school. Apparently no charges ended up being filed or him expelled because his parents are big time donors at the school so they didn't want to lose a big time donor. Again not sure how true it is. My cousin said there were other such rumors but nothing ever proven and plus this is HS where a lot of incidents tend to get sugar coated and go way off track. There was an incident at my Middle School where 3 kids broke into school over night and vandalized the school with baseball bats and all. The one kid a Muslim student ended up in my Homeroom with myself and one of the girls who lived around the corner from me. We had heard rumors that this kid was really mentally ####ed up but after learning more about him from him and him telling us the story of what really happened it seemed more like this guy was just hanging in the wrong crowd. He said at the mental institution they all went too he said the Drs said his buddy was more ####ed in the head then anyone who ever came in there before. I don't know whatever happened to him though. Either way it sounds like this lawyer has a passed with aggressive blatant racist behavior. 

 
Henry Ford said:
If you'd like to rephrase this as "the worst thing we know he's done is threaten strangers because of his racism and xenophobia while he knew he was being recorded" that's accurate.

I don't understand all this "ruin his life" talk.  He ruined his life.  The only problem is everyone knows things he actually did on video while watching himself get recorded, stone cold sober in the clear light of day. 
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I don't either. Seems like a defense to the guy that of he said something so he shouldn't get in trouble it's just his opinion. Sounds no different then some of the stuff people defend trumps ludicrous behavior and comments daily. The ruin his life talk seems more of a deflection. If you don't see what he did was wrong given it was blatant aggressive verbal behavior in broad day light and he's sober he did this to himself. There's freedom of speech in this country but sometimes that speech has consequences when it's inappropriate opinion. This guy signed a contract as a lawyer that with his actions apparently broke that contract. There is no one to blame but himself here. Also this isn't the first incident and from people who know him it seems more like well thats just Adam being Adam and not surprised. So it seems like this behavior has gone on for yrs. 

 
DJackson10 said:
I agree however everyone wants their 15 mins of fame. You record something and it goes viral you get some fame for posting the video. Most of the time I wonder if people really care about the actual event happening or just want their 15 mins? If I was in their position seeing that I wouldn't be recording it I'd step in and say something either way and if it got to the point call law enforcement/security or what have you. I do think recording things like this does help in a sense for court documentation and all but if you think someone is doing something wrong step in and stop it don't be the person recording it. I mean unless it's some corrupt cop having a power trip then yeah back up and hit record so the clown can lose his job by all means but overall step in and do something. I feel too many people are looking for gotcha moments. There's people on both sides just waiting for a moment and cause a scene themselves and are in the wrong hoping people react a certain way to prove their agenda. 
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I wouldn't step in, you never know what weapons people have or what drugs they are on or the status of their mental health. Two people who stepped in such a situation on a SFO (I believe) transit bus a few months back were stabbed to death confronting a guy harassing two Muslim women (and a third guy almost died).

There is also a risk in filming someone too, but if there had been no video recording of this incident, Mr. Schlossberg would have been escorted out by the manager (as he was) but would have continued to confront people publically in such a manner. People should record these incidents and post them on social media and let the chips fall where they may.

 
Hey squistion if you change the word “racist” in your thread title to “idiotic” we can widen the discussion to include a whole lot stuff in the Trump era, including guns.

 
squistion said:
I wouldn't step in, you never know what weapons people have or what drugs they are on or the status of their mental health. Two people who stepped in such a situation on a SFO (I believe) transit bus a few months back were stabbed to death confronting a guy harassing two Muslim women (and a third guy almost died).

There is also a risk in filming someone too, but if there had been no video recording of this incident, Mr. Schlossberg would have been escorted out by the manager (as he was) but would have continued to confront people publically in such a manner. People should record these incidents and post them on social media and let the chips fall where they may.
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I agree on dangers but at the very least you say something. If anything you call security or the cops to come and handle the situation if you don't want to get involved. If you are gonna record at least try to talk the person off their stand and have someone else call for some sort of help like manager, security, law enforcement etc. Just don't stand there and record Either way this couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. I'm glad when Karma hits people like this. 

 
urbanhack said:
Sidewalks are pretty big there.  Nothing wrong with walking right next to the street out of the way of people.  Might need @Otis to validate this.

This was five years ago when man buns weren't being ridiculed just yet.
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Validate which part?

Yes this guy seems like a total lunatic.  Glad the world is all over it and trolling him.  What a tool.

The foreigners walking on the wrong side of the side walk DO drive me bananas when I'm trying to get somewhere, but I just try and be patient and work around them.  Yes, lots of times I'll walk next to or in the street to get around the slow moving herds of tourists wearing matching T-shirts.

 
Ilov80s said:
These people like the ####er who shot the school in Texas need to be labeled and treated as terrorists. 
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I was thinking about this while in the shower after the work. I think we need to take in consideration and honestly outlaw Nazism and sympathizers to their cause like Germany. Label it a terroristic group and anyone involved a traitor to the country. Bring back public hanging. Make the KKK label a Terrorist organization and White Knights and whatever other name label these scumbags use. Also I don't know if this is appropriate in this thread but I think we need a law on Guns where the owner can be charged with neglectanc of their owned fire arms. Too many of these school shootings you hear the kid got the gun from the parents stash of weapons. Charge the parent and allow the school and anyone involved to sue the parent. Their firearm license should also be removed because honestly if they can't keep their fire arms out of the hands of others who can't control themselves and be responsible it's obvious they aren't a responsible gun owner. I'd also label Confederate Sympathizers as traitors as well. Theres freedom of speech and opinion but when that speech and opinion and beliefs are a danger to society they shouldn't be allowed to have them. But when you have a President who views these people as "Very Fine People" and not condemning these racist scumbags incidents like this I feel will only become more normal. Kid who sympathizes with nazis and white supremacist groups and gun nut don't mix. It's like throwing a lighted cig into a puddle of gasoline at the Gas Station Not gonna end well. 

 
timschochet said:
Hey squistion if you change the word “racist” in your thread title to “idiotic” we can widen the discussion to include a whole lot stuff in the Trump era, including guns.
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And throw a bad hombres into the title as well 

 
https://twitter.com/LisaMirandoCNN/status/998969132543565825

Aaron Schlossberg, who went on a racist rant at a NYC restaurant, issues statement: "To the people I insulted, I apologize. Seeing myself online opened my eyes--the manner in which I expressed myself is unacceptable and is not the person I am...I am not a racist"
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I would like to believe this is a sincere apology, but it is hard not to be skeptical where there are multiple incidents captured on video over the years of him screaming at, harassing or otherwise trying to intimidate and bully immigrants, minorities or people who he thinks are different than him,

Perhaps he had some sort of an epiphany, and will change his ways, but I doubt it.

Here is his complete apology on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/ASchlossbergLaw/status/998957026008096768

 
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I don't know. He had to say something. Took too long to get it out there, though. Time will tell if it is the last time he needs to be video'd. 
Thought of this sitting at a condo meeting last night. Older neighbor sitting next to me asked me a board member's name. Then asked if he was Indian. Then launched into a complaint of not being able to get help at a store because no one spoke English...

 
King also stirred the pot claiming to have been told the Eagles were adding a QB other than Kaepernick when Wentz tore his ACL. A story that no one who cover the NFL had. And didn't pan out.

 
I don’t know Shaun King. Perhaps he is a shameless self-promoter. It’s pretty rare when charges about an act of racism in our society turn out to be false. It does happen, just not very often. Unfortunately nearly every instance of a false charge is used by conservative types to argue that systemic racism doesn’t exist. I mean they are still talking about he Duke Lacrosse story over a decade later, which is really sad. 

Systemic, institutionalized racism does exist, guys. We need to deal with it. 

 
timschochet said:
I don’t know Shaun King. Perhaps he is a shameless self-promoter. It’s pretty rare when charges about an act of racism in our society turn out to be false. It does happen, just not very often. Unfortunately nearly every instance of a false charge is used by conservative types to argue that systemic racism doesn’t exist. I mean they are still talking about he Duke Lacrosse story over a decade later, which is really sad. 

Systemic, institutionalized racism does exist, guys. We need to deal with it. 
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LOL

 
timschochet said:
I don’t know Shaun King. Perhaps he is a shameless self-promoter. It’s pretty rare when charges about an act of racism in our society turn out to be false. It does happen, just not very often. Unfortunately nearly every instance of a false charge is used by conservative types to argue that systemic racism doesn’t exist. I mean they are still talking about he Duke Lacrosse story over a decade later, which is really sad. 

Systemic, institutionalized racism does exist, guys. We need to deal with it. 
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I don't think very many people are saying systemic racism doesn't exist What I see expressed more often is that concerns about systemic racism can be and is being cynically exploited at times -- and observers like Shaun King get taken in by such exploits with some frequency.

 
Doug B said:
I don't think very many people are saying systemic racism doesn't exist What I see expressed more often is that concerns about systemic racism can be and is being cynically exploited at times -- and observers like Shaun King get taken in by such exploits with some frequency.
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Again, I don’t know King. But I can’t blame anyone for getting taken in by false claims because they are very rare. I can and do blame people who focus on those false claims, and yes those same people deny systemic racism all the time. 

 
timschochet said:
Again, I don’t know King. But I can’t blame anyone for getting taken in by false claims because they are very rare. I can and do blame people who focus on those false claims, and yes those same people deny systemic racism all the time. 
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I think King is more than just taken in. He is looking to be taken. And maybe I am wrong, but I don't think I've seen him apologize or correct a story that he misrepresented. 

 
Ilov80s said:
I think King is more than just taken in. He is looking to be taken. And maybe I am wrong, but I don't think I've seen him apologize or correct a story that he misrepresented. 
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Then he’s a jerk. 

But why pay attention to him? Why throw him up as representative of anything substantial? Obviously he isn’t. 

 
timschochet said:
Then he’s a jerk. 

But why pay attention to him? Why throw him up as representative of anything substantial? Obviously he isn’t. 
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True but he is probably the most famous reporter of cases of racial bias in the country. He has 977k followers on Twitter. So even if he is a jerk and a crap reporter, he needs to be paid attention to, scrutinized, etc. 

 
I am not sure why we are talking about Shaun King in a thread about racist rhetoric in public, probably should be in the one of the racism/racial profiling threads, but carry on.

 
timschochet said:
Then he’s a jerk. 

But why pay attention to him? Why throw him up as representative of anything substantial? Obviously he isn’t. 
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Because we get the privilege of getting his crap dropped on every racial thread. If you could stop people(mostly squistion, but I have seen others quote him) from using him as a source when discussing racial situations in america, I can certainly agree to not talk about what a liar the man is. 

Four brilliant Black women checked out of their @Airbnb. A white woman outside waved at them and they didn't wave back. So she called the police. Then helicopters & a slew of police cars swarmed the area. I've spoken to these sisters - who are shaken up, but pressing on.
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timschochet said:
I don’t know Shaun King. Perhaps he is a shameless self-promoter. It’s pretty rare when charges about an act of racism in our society turn out to be false. It does happen, just not very often. Unfortunately nearly every instance of a false charge is used by conservative types to argue that systemic racism doesn’t exist. I mean they are still talking about he Duke Lacrosse story over a decade later, which is really sad. 

Systemic, institutionalized racism does exist, guys. We need to deal with it. 
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I find that most conservatives argue that combating "institutional racism" is fraught with conjecture because it is subjectively identified, and a much more effective approach is to combat racist behavior, because it can be objectively identified.

 
Thorn said:
I find that most conservatives argue that combating "institutional racism" is fraught with conjecture because it is subjectively identified, and a much more effective approach is to combat racist behavior, because it can be objectively identified.
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Well for me to believe this I would first have to be presented with a conservative who objectively identified racist behavior. That’s hard enough to find in real life, and certainly such an animal doesn’t seem to exist in this forum. 

 
Thorn said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yDHK0x2j80
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I’m pretty familiar with Shapiro’s point of view. Obviously I take strong issue with it. If we spend our time fighting racism incident by incident we might as well not fight it at all- like fighting a locust by battling one insect at a time. 

I believe Shapiro when he says he hates racism. I believe most conservatives here and elsewhere when they say the same. But effectively they’re unwilling to do anything about it IMO, because I believe that we need strong widespread federal action. 

 
Ilov80s said:
I think King is more than just taken in. He is looking to be taken. And maybe I am wrong, but I don't think I've seen him apologize or correct a story that he misrepresented. 
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I always confuse him with Jonathan Capehart - the guy who falsely claimed the University of Chicago Bernie Sanders photos weren't really him.

 
Henry Ford said:
No, he wrote some ridiculous self-serving pile of crap that made it sound like no one will ever really know the truth.  When in fact the photographer provided everyone with clear and obvious proof.
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I got blocked by him on twitter because i kept asking him if he had printed his retraction story yet.

 
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