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Raiders TE situation? (1 Viewer)

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Anyone have any idea if Miller solidified the starting role in Oakland? I've yet to see it boldly stated it's always mentioned that Madsen is playing well too. Also, did anyone watch their preseason games? Did Madsen catch any of his passes from the slot? ...I heard they might line him up there at times which could mean a lot more opportunities for him. My league starts two TEs so I care about crap like this.

 
Anyone have any idea if Miller solidified the starting role in Oakland? I've yet to see it boldly stated it's always mentioned that Madsen is playing well too. Also, did anyone watch their preseason games? Did Madsen catch any of his passes from the slot? ...I heard they might line him up there at times which could mean a lot more opportunities for him. My league starts two TEs so I care about crap like this.
TEBCMiller is slow but the better blocker with very good hands. He is going to be the starter but he is a rookie.Madsen bulked up this summer w/o losing any speed (former WR). His blocking has improved, but is still not as good as Miller. He is an absolute stud though receiving the ball. His hands are like glue and you'll see him in all double TE formations. If BMW and TT struggle, you could also see Madsen used in a WR capacity again.Both guys will be used extensively, but it's hard to see either having significant fantasy value b/c their stats will be extremely streaky and probably limited overall by the first year struggles of the new offense.
 
Somewhere in this story you may find an answer.

If Cinderella were a football player - play along with us here - he'd probably be a guy who decides to go out for the sport in junior college on a whim after a so-so high school career. Wait. Make that, he didn't play high school football at all.

He goes to the JC on an academic scholarship, redshirts for a season and becomes a raw but productive receiver the next year. He transfers to a four-year school - as a walk-on. He eventually lands a scholarship and blossoms as a player, taking part in his school's most magical season.

But when he sets his sights on the NFL, his carriage turns back into a pumpkin. A broken ankle late in his senior season keeps him from being drafted, so he has to scrape and claw his way to a special-teams job with one of the league's doormat teams. He works his way into a semi-regular spot at a new position - tight end - catches a touchdown pass and later awards the ball to his proud dad.

That was last fall, but the fairy tale has just begun. John Madsen is one of the co-starting tight ends on the Raiders' depth chart - the other is second-round draft pick Zach Miller. Gone are last year's top tight ends, Randal Williams, Courtney Anderson and James Adkisson.

Madsen is the ultimate stealth pro. If he had flown any lower under the radar, he would have been brushing the treetops.

He stands 6-foot-5 but needs a lot of weightlifting, along with six meals and three or four protein shakes a day, to stay in the 240-245-pound range that the Raiders want in order for him to be a reasonably effective blocker. "I'm telling you, I'm sick of eating sometimes," he said.

Recently he was down to 231, a cause for alarm to the team's higher-ups. "They told me I'd better not be that light again, so I ate as much as I could," he said. "Finally got it back up (to 240), but it's always an uphill battle when you're not used to weighing that much."

The Raiders have had success before with converting a terrific athlete into a tight end. Todd Christensen was a fullback at BYU and in a brief stint with the Cowboys, but the Raiders gave him a new position and he made the Pro Bowls five times in the 1980s.

"I had a few conversations with Mr. Davis last year, and he told me a lot about Todd Christensen and said I reminded him of how he used to play," Madsen said.

Miller, a fine blocker, is considered the favorite to start, but Madsen is going to play a lot, too. If one or both of them show any of Christensen's ability to get open, the Raiders will be delighted.

Madsen's blocking is improving, tight ends coach Kelly Skipper said. "He can play every down - short-yardage, goal-line, all that stuff," he said.

There's no question about his receiving skills. "He's been getting open, running good routes and making plays. His success is because of his work ethic and his will to play. He has tremendous will. I've got to slow him down sometimes because he works so hard."

One of Madsen's biggest supporters is 49ers quarterback Alex Smith. He loved having Madsen as a receiver in Utah's 12-0 season in 2004, when the Utes beat Pittsburgh in the Fiesta Bowl, their first appearance in a Bowl Championship Series bowl.

"I remember when we first met," Smith said. "It was the summer after my freshman year. He was walking on. He was 6-5. I heard he only played one year of JC football. You could tell he was a guy who had never run routes.

"In a couple months, you could see how good he was going to be. He had such strong hands for a guy who had never played organized football (until JC)."

Their coach was Urban Meyer, who last season directed Florida to the national championship. Meyer also remembers his first impression of Madsen.

"He walked into our office one day - big ol' guy," he said, then added with a laugh, "His mom's a hair dresser, and in the beginning, I think he was more concerned with how his hair looked.

"He tried to quit a few times, but once he learned what the game was about, he became a star really fast. He's a guy that everybody would love to have because he creates matchup issues."

That is, he's too quick for linebackers and too tall for defensive backs.

"He's got a lot of God-given talent," Meyer said. "With his work ethic, I knew he'd do well in the NFL."

After a redshirt year at two-year Snow College in Ephraim, Utah, Madsen helped the team go 8-2 and reach a No. 16 national ranking. A University of Utah fan since childhood, he headed to Salt Lake City, and from then on, his goal was the NFL. By the time he left college, he had a 391/2-inch vertical jump and ran the 40 in 4.5 seconds.

"You can play in the NFL a lot of years," Meyer told him. "You just need to get the right shot."

The Raiders gave him that shot, and he rewarded them in San Diego last year by catching a pass from Aaron Brooks for 57 yards and, on the next play, a 2-yard pass for his first NFL TD.

The glass slipper fit, and he's still wearing it.

:bag:

 
Awesome, thank you both. Last year I was lucky enough to have Colston in a Yahoo league where he could be used at either WR or TE and I've been scouring for a gem that could come close to that in my Yahoo leagues this year. Madsen so far is the only one with the WR/TE designation and I'm hoping he plays a lot of WR and I can still start him as my 2nd TE like I did with Colston last year. We start two TEs so they get sparse, my starters are McMichael and Pollard I might make Madsen a backup just on a hunch and a good feeling.

 
From watching the preseason games ...

Miller is in on every play, while Madsen comes in for certain sets and situations. Both have very good hands - Madsen in particular. When in the game, Madsen rarely lined-up split from the line - most times it was simply as a 2nd TE opposite Miller.

With Mike Williams aboard, I doubt the Raiders will have need to use Madsen as another big WR lining up wide vs. a CB. Expect Curry/Porter/Miller to be in on most plays, with Travis Taylor getting the most time in the slot. Madsen will play the 2nd TE in passing situations and around the goal line, and Tony Stewart will get a few snaps here and there in short yardage running situations. Mike Williams will spell Porter at split end when the situation calls for a bigger WR and Johhnie Lee Higgins will see some time at split end and in the slot when field-stretching speed is desired.

 

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