bulger2holt
Footballguy
Bradford would probably get killed, but the Rams need to keep the rebuilding process going. How much would the Packers give up for him ?
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Rams should trade SJax to the Packers (1 Viewer)
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Team ROFLCOPTERS
Footballguy
Jackson probably would be worth a first and a second. I agree that Jackson won't be able to run well when the Rams are ready to compete but man is it tough to give away a guy like that and leave Bradfor on his own.
TheWick
Footballguy
or Steven Jackson for that matter
bulger2holt
Footballguy
By the time the Rams are ready to compete, SJax will be done.
LionsFan78
Footballguy
This would make sense for Steven Jackson fantasy owners...not for an NFL franchise
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Warhogs
Footballguy
Historically speaking the trade value of an NFL RB with the mileage of a guy like Stephen Jackson just does not net you much. Based on recent top RB trades there is no way they even get a 1st for him say nothing about the above suggested 1st and 2nd. I would stab at them more likely willing to give up a 2nd or a 3rd round pick.
bulger2holt
Footballguy
Mr Apple, meet Mr. Orange
Banger
Footballguy
Mr Fantasy meet Mr. Reality.
Kitrick Taylor
Footballguy
This won't happen because NFL teams don't trade their stars during the season, or ever really. However, Jackson at 27 is worth no more than a 2nd.
Team ROFLCOPTERS
Footballguy
Well, with that said, Jackson would probably be a top two or three back in football on any team but the Rams. I can't really think of any RB like Jackson getting traded at his age and circumstance. Plus he has a decent cap hit for his skill. Keep in mind too that GB will likely go deep in the playoofs, thus making that first rounders value much less.
Abrantes
Footballguy
Oh, stop it.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
While it looks good on paper for some reasons...it doesn't in others.-Leadership....Steven Jackson is huge in St. Louis.-Salary Cap....this is a large deterrent of trading star players-Team Chemistry...Jackson could walk into GB and overshadow out some of their other players and cause issues.-Development....Jackson is helping Bradfords development. -Scheme...not all players fit every scheme-Draft picks-Learning a new playbooketc.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
This makes no sense for the Packers. Why would they do this?
Sure, the Packers can win now but they're also built for the future. (See QB, WR, TE, OL, DL, OLB, Safeties)
This is a throw crap at the wall and hope it sticks thread.
Sure, the Packers can win now but they're also built for the future. (See QB, WR, TE, OL, DL, OLB, Safeties)
This is a throw crap at the wall and hope it sticks thread.
comfortably numb
Footballguy
You should have just taken Gore with the 1.07 pick you had!
bulger2holt
Footballguy
Not me. I learned my lesson years ago with SJAx. How about Brandon Jackson + Packers 1st for SJax ? SJax would thrive in GB.
bulger2holt
Footballguy
Didn't the Titans offer the Rams a 1st for Holt a few ago at the trade deadline ? This stuff happens.
Banger
Footballguy
cmon, just stop. When have you ever in the 4 years that you've been watching football seen a trade like that? I'm just joking but this is just silly, it's never, ever going to happen.
bulger2holt
Footballguy
Brandon Marshall told me trades do happen in the NFL.
Herschel and Dickerson. So it does happen. Makes absolute sense for both teams but won't happen here either. Just another in the long line of thousands of trades that make sense in a lot of our minds but not to the people running these teams.
Bailey + 2nd for Portis? Deion Branch for a 1st? Richard Seymour for a 1st? Randy Moss for Napoleon Harris and a 1st? Keyshawn Johnson for a pair of 1sts? Keyshawn Johnson for Joey Galloway? Keenan McCardell for a 3rd and a 5th? Chris Chambers for a 2nd? Those are just the ones that sprang immediately to mind.For what it's worth, I think there's approximately a 0% chance that SJax gets traded to the Packers, but it's not like such a trade would be wholly unprecedented in the entire history of the NFL.Edit: forgot about Faulk for a 2nd and a 5th and Jerome Bettis and a 3rd for a 2nd and a 4th.
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DoubleG
Footballguy
Good point, but in many of the trades you mentioned, weren't the players being traded verbally unhappy with their current situation? Not to say the SJax is thrilled with being virtually the only viable offensive weapons on a bad team, but he is a good teammate and a good leader who doesn't spout off about wanting to be traded.BTW, the OP answered his own question when he started with "Bradford would probably get killed,..."
That right there is EXACTLY why they wont trade SJax. A rookie QB on a bad team is in a tough spot - a rookie QB in a 1 dimensional offense that cant run to slow down the pass rush is worse.
Banger
Footballguy
I never said trades never happened they obviously do. A trade where one team trades their starting rb for another teams starting rb and draft picks, let alone in season, let alone a critical all pro franchise type back. I'll take the under on 0%.
Sure, if you add in enough qualifiers, you won't be able to find historical precedent for anything.Yeah, Peyton Manning beat Eli Manning Sunday night, but how likely was that outcome? When was the last time that a QB beat another QB with the same last name by 24 points while attempting 3 more passes and completing 6 more passes? That win was totally unprecedented!I can't think if any examples of a team trading its starting RB for another team's starting RB and draft picks... but I can think of an example of a team trading its starting punter for another team's starting punter and draft picks (Sauerbrun for Jason Baker and a 7th), and I can think of an example of a team trading its starting RB for another team's starting CB and draft picks (Portis for Bailey + 2nd), and I can think of an example of a team trading its starting RB for draft picks and then drafting a new starting RB (Faulk for a 2nd and a 5th), and I can think of multiple examples of a team trading a starting WR in the middle of the season (including one guy- Chris Chambers- who has had it happen to him TWICE in his career). So while there may not be a precedent for that EXACT TRADE down to every single minute detail, there is certainly plenty of precedent for each unique part of that trade taken individually.With that said, I completely agree with the sentiment that it WON'T happen. The Rams would get their franchise QB killed. I just disagree with the premise that it COULDN'T happen.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
I'm guessing in future years. Seriously you couldn't figure that out. Organizations still have limits as well.-Ryan Grant still on the books-Add in Steven Jackson....then you have a lot of $$$ invested into a pass first and second team.
Why stop at Jackson? Why not have GB also get Johnson from the Titans and ADP from Minny and Best from Detroit and Collie from Dallas and White from Atlanta? They might as well go get Payton for a backup QB too.
It all makes so much sense (when you have been drinking paint thinner).
It all makes so much sense (when you have been drinking paint thinner).
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
And hey, while we're at it, could the Lions trade Calvin Johnson to the Broncos? :(
sho nuff
Footballguy
I believe next year is Grant's last on his contract, with much of his guaranteed already paid out and some bonuses due, its possible even without a move for a veteran that he is not on the roster next year and counting very little against anyc ap..I'm guessing in future years. Seriously you couldn't figure that out. Organizations still have limits as well.-Ryan Grant still on the books-Add in Steven Jackson....then you have a lot of $$$ invested into a pass first and second team.
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I'm sorry, I missed the fact that this thread was titled "Rams should trade SJax to the Packers in future seasons". Here I thought the OP was suggesting that they should make the trade this year.I'm guessing in future years. Seriously you couldn't figure that out.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
This is an awful thread. How and why is it still alive?
TheFanatic
Footballguy
I agree that it won't happen but I find some issues with your reasoning.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
Appreciate the attitude. The trade would happen this year...but he would still on the books for future seasons. I thought Grant still had another year on the contract...Sho Nuff indicated he didn't think so.I'm sorry, I missed the fact that this thread was titled "Rams should trade SJax to the Packers in future seasons". Here I thought the OP was suggesting that they should make the trade this year.I'm guessing in future years. Seriously you couldn't figure that out.
Banger
Footballguy
it's semantics. all the qualifiers I added were pertinent to the discussion of the particular player in this particular thread so they are relevant. It's possible that it could happen but if the likelihood is .0001 what is the point of discussing it in a thread?How about we discuss what kind of GM Wade Phillips would make in SD? Is it going to happen? No, could it? yes.
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benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
Sorry. Sometimes I'm a bit of a tool.
bulger2holt
Footballguy
In 1998 the Colts had a rookie QB named Peyton Manning and a RB named Marshall Faulk. They then traded Faulk to the St.Louis Rams.
Speed up the clock to 2010. The Rams have a rookie QB named Sam Bradford and a RB named Steven Jackson.
Do you see the irony ?
Speed up the clock to 2010. The Rams have a rookie QB named Sam Bradford and a RB named Steven Jackson.
Do you see the irony ?
No, but I'm sure Alanis Morissette does.
nysportsfan
Footballguy
You can't develop a qb if he has nothing to work with. All this would accomplish is turning Bradford into David Carr.
They didn't trade Faulk midseason. In 1998 Faulk put up 2200 yards and 10 tds. In 1999 first round pick Edgerrin James put up 2100 yards and 17 tds. Manning was not asked to play without a competent rb early in his career.Now, if you are suggesting that the Rams consider trading Jackson this offseason and drafting a rb in the first rd, then your comparison is valid. Not sure it is the best move, but it may be worthy of consideration.
Football Jones
Footballguy
This is actually a better idea than you might think. That said, trading in the NFL is easier said than done.
There's no question when the Rams are ready to win, Jackson will be on the downside of his career. It totally makes sense to move him, but I doubt they do it.
The Rams will eventually try to duplicate what Indy has done with Peyton. Bradford is that good (the best QB prospect to come along in many years, IMO). My guess is they start drafting WR & OL & let Spagnuolo get the leftovers & work on the D the best he can.
The NFL is more & more a passer's game. Good QBs are priceless. I like the Rams future...I really do.
There's no question when the Rams are ready to win, Jackson will be on the downside of his career. It totally makes sense to move him, but I doubt they do it.
The Rams will eventually try to duplicate what Indy has done with Peyton. Bradford is that good (the best QB prospect to come along in many years, IMO). My guess is they start drafting WR & OL & let Spagnuolo get the leftovers & work on the D the best he can.
The NFL is more & more a passer's game. Good QBs are priceless. I like the Rams future...I really do.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Had Best fallen to the Rams at 2.01 there would be a lot more traction here, but they have no one behind him. And if they trade him it will be meeting after meeting of the opposing D-Line over the prone QB. The team has no playmakers besides SJax, a WR that's been on the team about 12 days and a spunky white kid that bounces back up after being body slammed by the Raiders and catches a pass on the next play. In other words, they don't have squat outside of SJ39.
