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whodeywhodey
Footballguy
That would be great if you got point for that in fantasy.
pghrob
Footballguy
If what is taking place in camp carries over to the field during regular season, then it is indeed good.
dagwood
Footballguy
Sims-Walker is severely undervalued at his present ADP.
bulger2holt
Footballguy
Yes, and Amendola in a PPR too. Kendricks is the real deal. HooHoo is hurt again, so Kendricks is going to be SB's main target. Kendricks is built like a brick poop house too. He is going to be special in the Rams offense and with SB as QB and Josh as OC.
Wasn't corbett there for a day?
Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub
Footballguy
Looks like Hawks will be late to the party....
Gotta flap your wings to get off the ground.
rowdywalker
Footballguy
Taking in what I have been hearing and seeing what is happening on the field I think the Rams WR situation will be this:
1. Amendola
2. Gibson
3. MSW
4. Avery (but he has the chance to rise maybe even to the number 2 spot)
5. Salas
6. Gilyard (due to return skills)
I think that they maybe cut DX unfortunately as I have him in a few leagues. I also think they try and sneak Pettis to PS.
Not my ideal situation as I see Gibson and MSW as similar players and was hoping DX or Pettis would shine this offseason leading to the release of Gibson whom I question his hands and concentration especially on game day.
1. Amendola
2. Gibson
3. MSW
4. Avery (but he has the chance to rise maybe even to the number 2 spot)
5. Salas
6. Gilyard (due to return skills)
I think that they maybe cut DX unfortunately as I have him in a few leagues. I also think they try and sneak Pettis to PS.
Not my ideal situation as I see Gibson and MSW as similar players and was hoping DX or Pettis would shine this offseason leading to the release of Gibson whom I question his hands and concentration especially on game day.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
kinda. basically said the same thing as this thread. They are all kind of good, and no one is really separating themselves. No knock on CP, just the situation is tantamount to picking which broncos rb would start under shanny...
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
This situation is clear as mud. every player in this thread played tonight and caught between 1-3 passes.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/boxscore?gid=20110826012
Receiving
St. Louis RamsRecYdsAvgLngTDFumLLance Kendricks(notes)22613.01510Donnie Avery(notes)22613.01800Brandon Gibson(notes)12020.02000Carnell Williams(notes)11919.01900Mardy Gilyard(notes)3186.01400Greg Salas(notes)2178.51100Danny Amendola(notes)2157.51100Mike Sims-Walker(notes)166.0610Steven Jackson(notes)155.0500Billy Bajema(notes)144.0400Danario Alexander(notes)133.0300
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
When you have 5 guys, you have none. Amendola is the slot guy. Probably a lock for 75 catches and about 750 yards if the other guys stay healthy. He's not a redzone threat at all.
Kendricks has a chance to put up a strong season for a rookie TE. That is to say Rob Gronkowski from last year is probably his celing. So you'd have to think 45 catches for 600 and say 6 touchdowns. Great season but I have a hard time seeing much more than that.
Gibson seems decent but uninspired.
Sims-Walker is interesting because he's got that 63 catch season in his pocket. But he's been so up and down, we don't know if he's any better than the rest of these guys.
Alexander is not going to make it through a 16 game season. He's at the end of the line. Like was stated in the podcast, he is refusing surgery because he knows he's on his last legs.
I think you just take a shot late and be prepared to cut the guy in season if you are wrong. You have about a 25% chance of striking gold.
Kendricks has a chance to put up a strong season for a rookie TE. That is to say Rob Gronkowski from last year is probably his celing. So you'd have to think 45 catches for 600 and say 6 touchdowns. Great season but I have a hard time seeing much more than that.
Gibson seems decent but uninspired.
Sims-Walker is interesting because he's got that 63 catch season in his pocket. But he's been so up and down, we don't know if he's any better than the rest of these guys.
Alexander is not going to make it through a 16 game season. He's at the end of the line. Like was stated in the podcast, he is refusing surgery because he knows he's on his last legs.
I think you just take a shot late and be prepared to cut the guy in season if you are wrong. You have about a 25% chance of striking gold.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
So what's going to happen to Mark Clayton?
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Wouldn't that require his YPC to go up like 33%? This is such a mess
Wadsworth
Footballguy
For anyone joining the thread late, this post really sums it all up.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
It's not as messy as some are thinking. Amendola and MSW go anywhere in the 8th-10th rounds, but wait 4 more rounds and grab Brandon Gibson late as a WR5/6, that will get you some ROI...dude was a weekly flex last year in the 10-12 ppg range for a while, no reason he cannot improve.
That's what I want to know. I stashed him away as I think he can be the WR1 on this team if he's back and healthy.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Rams say his knee is not 100%. Clayton visited other teams but was not offered a contract.
Wadsworth
Footballguy
Targeting Gibson late is good advice but that doesn't make the situation less messy. There is a lot of interest in this situation(at least for me) because you have a developing QB and a new OC that just recently took a journeyman at best WR and turned him into one of the most productive fantasy WRs last season. I'm not reading this thread looking for a guy that might be a decent flex late, I have a long list of those guys. I'm trying to see if I can find the next Brandon Lloyd. And that quest is indeed a mess at this point.
baconisgood
Footballguy
I'm trying to figure out where I would take MSW. Last night he was the only receiver in when he scored his TD. 2 TE, 2 Backs and MSW- could imply he is their WR version of a GL back. It makes sense given his production in JAC. I worry that he might only have 800-900 yard upside the way they are using him. Amendola I don't want in the first 12 rounds. Gibson ~ round 12 starts to look good as well.
Facecow
Footballguy
I'm not suggesting that Amendola is going to score a bunch of TDs but these stats stolen from another thread contradict your redzone claim.Unless your point is to predict his Redzone targets will diminish significantly this year.
Top 10 Redzone targets
24 Larry Fitzgerald
24 Danny Amendola (Great Value Pick, and now in a Josh McDaniels offense (possible Welker like numbers this year)
23 Lance Moore (Great Value Pick, adds yet another reason to look for him, shows why Drew Brees pushed for a new contract.. trust)
23 Wes Welker (Shows who Brady is going to trust when it is time to score)
22 Roddy White
22 Marques Colston
22 Terrell Owens
19 Pierre Garcon
19 Dwayne Bowe
19 Mike Williams (TB)
Top 10 Inside 10 Yardline targets
14 Larry Fitzgerald
13 Wes Welker (Again only makes him bigger in PPR leagues)
13 Danny Amendola (Again reinforces his sleeper potential in a Josh McDaniels offense where his young QB trusts him)
13 Miles Austin (Reinforces beliefs of Romo's trust in him)
11 Hakeem Nicks (Shows how huge he can be if he can play a whole season)
10 Terrell Owens
09 Santana Moss
09 Dwayne Bowe
09 Pierre Garcon
08 Mike Williams
08 Marques Colston
08 Hines Ward
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
Unless Clayton re-signs (not resigns) , Denario Alexander plays through the pain, Donnie Avery's speed is back and and Marty Gilyard, Pettis and Salas continue to develop or excel.
Face it, this is the equivalent of playing Church Bingo. You might actually win something, but it's more likely that you will just get frustratingly close a lot and wish you were somewhere else drinking...That's exactly why I agree with targeting Gibson out of the 3. I just picked him up in the 15th round earlier this week. Its not like you're expecting a starter at that time so shoot for the moon with high upside. Its a crap shoot between Amendola, MSW and Gibson IMO. Amendola is the safest to be at least serviceable but is also being drafted earlier. MSW isn't far behind. But Gibson is there much later, so if you don't get anything from him you're really not out anything. I can't say I've ever looked back on a season and said "If only I hadn't wasted my 15th round pick I could have won it all".Unless Clayton re-signs (not resigns) , Denario Alexander plays through the pain, Donnie Avery's speed is back and and Marty Gilyard, Pettis and Salas continue to develop or excel.
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Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub
Footballguy
Gimme Amendola and MSW over Gibson. (wouldn't waste a draft pick period on Gibson)
We've seen what Gibson offers on gamedays. He's a mediocre NFL WR. He'll need 200 targets to catch 70 balls. Full offseason, he's likely roster bubble. No offseason is going to kill a lot of rookies (Salas/Pettis)
We've seen what Gibson offers on gamedays. He's a mediocre NFL WR. He'll need 200 targets to catch 70 balls. Full offseason, he's likely roster bubble. No offseason is going to kill a lot of rookies (Salas/Pettis)
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baconisgood
Footballguy
This is the problem with Amendola- he only had 3 Tds. THREE! On the 2nd most RZ targets in the league. Having MSW and Kendricks could mean Amendola ends the season with 50+ catches on 1-2 TDs. Last year was a perfect storm for him and he only put up a lot of catches- nothing else. 2 catches for 5 yards, 2 catches 18 yards, 2 catches 15 yards has been his preseason so far. Meanwhile Bradford had thrown 4 TDs this season- ALL of them to players not on the Rams last season. Avery, MSW and Kendricks.
dynastyguy1000
Footballguy
Facecow
Footballguy
I have to admit I thought the same thing after I posted the stats. When Sabertooth stated that Amendola was "not a redzone threat at all", he may very well have been aware of the target numbers and could still fairly make his statement.Amendola may have had the opportunity - and that's something to consider this season - but actually doing something with those chances is another thing altogether.
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Soaring Eagle
Footballguy
MSW '11 = Lloyd '10
DevilintheDetail
Footballguy
Gibson is still listed as WR1 on the Rams official depth chart. It also lists MSW as backing up Amendola. Thoughts on that?
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
FWIW I was able to get Amendola in my 4 man PPR keeper league at 8.9 which would put him at 12.9 in re-draft leagues.As it stands right now he's been the ONLY constant in the offense and in the news coming out of STL. Having a 75-700-5 is very possible given the potential for growth between him and Bradford. My only worry is that McDanials makes him Royal and not Welker...'Ministry of Pain said:
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Gibson is starting his 3rd season. He was traded from the team that drafted him after the 1st game of the season last year, and you've seen all we can expect from him? Seems a little premature to go that far.'Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub said:
bonesman
Footballguy
Totally... he's already accomplished far more than Stevie Johnson had in his career before his 3rd season last year... or Brandon Lloyd the last 4 years. That being said. He's never really shown anything to make me go "wow! this guy is a stud in the making!" Not great speed, not great hands... but his route running seems pretty crisp. I can't argue with anyone labeling him as mediocre... but that doesn't make him undraftable and he can still be the best passing option on that team this year.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
I have Clayton, Alexander, and MSW in a 10-team dynasty PPR league and I can only keep 1 after September 2. Not sure which one I'm gonna roll with -- probably MSW.
Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub
Footballguy
He doesn't have the ability or on field intelligence to be a good starting NFL WR on a good team. Like I said, if you throw him the ball 200 times, he'll catch 70 passes. Sam Bradford deserves a better starting WR than him. MSW can be a good #2 NFL WR. Amendola is and can continue to be a solid slot guy. (Whether he is for the long-term only Rams management knows). Rams need an NFL quality #1 WR -- that's not Brandon Gibson. The pieces are getting there for Bradford -- Kendricks looks like a nice receiving find at TE.
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bulger2holt
Footballguy
bulger2holt
Footballguy
Don't forget Avery in there too and they love Salas too. He has game.'DevilintheDetail said:
Anonymous Internet User
Footballguy
if I had to guess, Avery, Alexander and Clayton don't make the roster. Gilyard and Amendola serve dual roles with special teams, Gibson and MSW are likely starters and no reason for them to cut either rookie. that gives them 6 WRs on the final roster.
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bulger2holt
Footballguy
That was me, and yes. The Rams WR's aren't getting much seperation and Bradford loves Kendricks. Kendricks is a monster too. He is built like a tank. Very muscular, strong lower body, good hands, deceptive quickness. LB's won't be able to stay with him and he's way too big and strong for a safety. He is going to be a mis-match nightmare. I compare him so far to Gates. Not as tall, but plays a very similar game. He's almost 6'4 and weighs 245.'LawFitz said:
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Functionally, there are two guys who can stretch the field: Alexander (when healthy), and MSW.Amendola runs the most crisp routes, and he's nearly suicidal about going over the middle to catch tough passes.Gibson was a 6th Eagles rounder who was going to be stuck on the practice squad. He has had tons of opportunity (3 starts his rookie year and 12 last when virtually the whole corps went down). 34 on 69 targets and 53 on 91 targets. Dude is like a poor man's RoY.Avery has been full speed at practice since August 22nd, and after missing a year, no need to rush it. But if he recovers it is difficult to see a role for Gibson IMO.Regardless of the official depth chart, the FF chart in your head should read PPR - Amendola is #1 MSW #2, Standard reverse that. Though to be honest, in my PPR redraft tomorrow morning I might just take MSW because I think he has the highest ceiling. Highest floor is Amendola.IMOYMMV'DevilintheDetail said:
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Here is question for Fantatic or B2H or any other homers:
Nobody threw short of the sticks more than Bradford last year. Partly by design, but also because that was the way he operated much of the time at OU. The attack was very dependent on YAC.
Supposedly that is all going to change under McDaniels. Do you guys see them going vertical more this year? What have we seen so far in preseason? Do they have the personnel to stretch the field like that?
TIA
Nobody threw short of the sticks more than Bradford last year. Partly by design, but also because that was the way he operated much of the time at OU. The attack was very dependent on YAC.
Supposedly that is all going to change under McDaniels. Do you guys see them going vertical more this year? What have we seen so far in preseason? Do they have the personnel to stretch the field like that?
TIA
baconisgood
Footballguy
I know I am probably coming off as an amendola hater, which in a way I guess I am, but would one of the pimpers answer me this
Why do you think he has a high floor? Since 1970 no player has averaged < 9 yards a catch with at least 30 receptions and gone on to have a meaningful career. Most of the guys that did it were has beens like Peerless Price, Ike Hilliard or Joe Horn in one of their last years in the league. As far as I can see the best career to come out of one of these guys was Jabar Gaffney or Bobby Engram.
Because he's going to catch a lot of balls, and his ypc can't get worse so that'll translate into actual yards.
baconisgood
Footballguy
Why is he going to catch a lot of balls? He caught a lot of balls last year when everyone else (literally) was injured, it is unlikely the situation this season is even half as bad.
bulger2holt
Footballguy
That's the problem, they really don't have any field stretchers. DX could be, but I don't think he is going to make the team due to his knees. Avery has potential, but is always hurt. MSW is going to catch a lot of balls in the 10-20 yard range, the same with Gibson, and Amendola underneath in the middle. They will pound it with SJax and their drives will be methodical and precise. Kendricks will also play a key part.
