It helps if you pour some out if there's too much in there, too. Volunteers have a tendency to overfill the cups.And yeah, I figured out the pinching the dixie cup thing about the 3rd water station in my first half.And I've always starting taking water early.
Since I have a competitive younger brother I can say with absolute certainty that full contact applies to every sport in the book.GL and have fun!Alright gents. After 20ish years, I'm ready to race again. Very excited!
I started running again in December last year for the first time since 1994. The last time I ran, I went 17:05 for a 5K and really messed up my calf/hammy on the post race stretching. Things never been the same since and 1.5 years of PT back then did no good.
This time around, I've been going gentle and doing plenty of rest, ice, compression, massage. While I'm still very much aware that that part of my body is injured, pain is 0 when running once warmed up and pain is just a soreness later in the day of runs. I've been moving mileage up to 4 to 6 miles every other day and the calf has been just fine with this. This alone is a minor miracle to me and I'm stoked just to do a pain-free 4 miles at decent pace (!)
So Sunday will be my first race, a 5K. I know well enough by now to find my 1 mile pace, but I'm not quite sure what my 3 mile pace is. By pace, I mean what my body is comfortable with, I have no idea from a time wise what I'm capable of, so no time goals for this first race. This is like taking a vintage car on to its first highway after fixing it up for months. Should be interesting.
My first goal is to not get re-injured and I feel pretty good about knowing my calf at this point. Second goal is to beat my younger brother. I think by all rights, he should school me, but the aspiration is still there. We've both been on/off runners, both competitive, but never competitive at the same time. I'm hoping this is just the first of more races. Third goal is to not let any females beat me (in the race, that is).
In the end, though, I'm just happy to get out there. I always preferred 5Ks over longer distance races. I don't get bored during 5Ks and it feels more like a competition than a task, which I like, but this is just a matter of taste.
The bolded is awesome... Go get'm!!
I've generally carried a small disposable water bottle in marathons so I can skip the first few water stations which can be chaotic, and I can drink as I like. 10 miles or less in, I'll throw it away and use the stations.Your body can generally only absorb 4-6oz every 15mins. So choking down 2gal of water the day before is going to do nothing but make you piss all day. If you're routinely drinking a gallon of water per day, you're good to go. I wouldn't change a thing.Running another HM tomorrow. I have a hydration question for you guys. I am usually a big water drinker, so during the week I'll drink a coke in the morning just to get me going, then it's usually 3-4 big cups of water (like 44oz cups from the convenience store) for the rest of the day. I then may drink a beer or two every 3-4 days. Usually on race week I eliminate the beer starting on Wednesday.
Is there any MORE hydration I should be doing, especially the day before? I don't want to feel I need to choke water down all day, but maybe I DO need to just get down as much as I can.
Any thoughts?
Race day hydration is important too. Make sure you hit a couple of the earlier aid stations, and learn how to drink on the run. Pinch the top of the dixie cup to make a spout, and then sip. It'll keep more water in the cup. If you start drinking when you become thirsty, its already too late.
Well...had PT again yesterday and he gave me the green light for some shorter runs...Awesome write up...and while I get it...the 0-3 stuff you can kiss my grits.
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Id be happy to just run some more. Still on hold by my PT for the ankle. One more week and I think he will let me run again.
So today it was a nice 10 minute warmup on the elliptical, an upper body workout, then 30 minutes back on the elliptical. Wanted to do something different with it so after a 3 minute warmup, I went 3 minute intervals with 1 minute of slower work in between for the rest of the 30 minutes. Felt good to speed it up some I guess.
Feeling ready for the pounding of the road again...hopefully next week.
Only thing I would add is to perhaps up your electrolyte intake in the days going into the race as drinking a bunch of water without electrolytes could throw off the natural balance in your body. I know I'm a little more attentive to this than most because hyponatremia is a real concern in ultras (much less so in sub-marathon distances), and is far more likely to end a race than dehydration is, but something to consider.Running another HM tomorrow. I have a hydration question for you guys. I am usually a big water drinker, so during the week I'll drink a coke in the morning just to get me going, then it's usually 3-4 big cups of water (like 44oz cups from the convenience store) for the rest of the day. I then may drink a beer or two every 3-4 days. Usually on race week I eliminate the beer starting on Wednesday.
Is there any MORE hydration I should be doing, especially the day before? I don't want to feel I need to choke water down all day, but maybe I DO need to just get down as much as I can.
Any thoughts?
Try some of the GU Roctane - they include amino acids, which I think are helpful for longer sessions.I have a $50 Amazon Gift Card coming to me because I spend an obscene amount of money at Speedway Gas Stations.
I've decided to use this to buy some GU Gels, since I basically completely ignore nutrition while running. What flavors should I avoid/exploit?
I've heard the greasy-chicken flavored ones are awesome!I have a $50 Amazon Gift Card coming to me because I spend an obscene amount of money at Speedway Gas Stations.
I've decided to use this to buy some GU Gels, since I basically completely ignore nutrition while running. What flavors should I avoid/exploit?
I've heard the greasy-chicken flavored ones are awesome!I have a $50 Amazon Gift Card coming to me because I spend an obscene amount of money at Speedway Gas Stations.
I've decided to use this to buy some GU Gels, since I basically completely ignore nutrition while running. What flavors should I avoid/exploit?
Because I'm Asian right?For Annyong...maybe a General Tso's flavor?
You didn't see my beer comment???Because I'm Asian right?For Annyong...maybe a General Tso's flavor?

gruecd said:One of these, no doubt...Juxtatarot said:Annyong will provide the beer.
ageloading: please dont be a penis please dont be a penis... Dammit!Not gonna lie, had to look it up. So how do you prep for that the week before a race so that you aren't ingesting mass quantities of salt tablets during a race? (this may or may not have occurred recently to someone posting in this thread)Do you just up your sodium intake during the week? I struggle mightily with cramps late in a race (think miles 25+) and am desperately searching for a fix before I can entertain going much further in the ultra category.SFBayDuck said:Only thing I would add is to perhaps up your electrolyte intake in the days going into the race as drinking a bunch of water without electrolytes could throw off the natural balance in your body. I know I'm a little more attentive to this than most because hyponatremia is a real concern in ultras (much less so in sub-marathon distances), and is far more likely to end a race than dehydration is, but something to consider.
This could be as simple as a little extra salt on your meals to mixing in some sports drinks. I like to use Nuun tablets as they don't have a bunch of calories but do give you some extra sodium/potassium/magnesium (the latter is the one that most people tend to be deficient in). Plus they taste good.
If you go GU, salted caramel is the #### if you can find it. If not I use GU Roctane (because of the amino acids & I think it tastes better) Blueberry or whatever the hell comes in the blue pack.That said, I'm with Ned +1 for Hammer Gels. You get the amino acids and they are cheaper. I alternate between the Mountain Berry & Raspberry.The salted caramel Gu is really, really good. I think it's just seasonal (winter), though.
Go to the running store and buy a few singles to try out.Annyong said:I have a $50 Amazon Gift Card coming to me because I spend an obscene amount of money at Speedway Gas Stations.
I've decided to use this to buy some GU Gels, since I basically completely ignore nutrition while running. What flavors should I avoid/exploit?
I'm with Sand, do not typically partake of the gel unless absolutely necessary i.e. very long run with no other nutrition. I run first thing in the morning with nothing more than a cup of coffee in me regardless of the distance. About 10 miles into a long run you start getting a might bit peckish and these are the least evil things I've found to carry & consume.Go to the running store and buy a few singles to try out.
Personally just the thought of eating those things - :X
You can keep saying you aren't...but that tiny Asian boy picture keeps saying otherwise.Because I'm Asian right?For Annyong...maybe a General Tso's flavor?
You can buy a mixed box on Amazon if you want to try multiple flavors.Annyong said:I have a $50 Amazon Gift Card coming to me because I spend an obscene amount of money at Speedway Gas Stations.
I've decided to use this to buy some GU Gels, since I basically completely ignore nutrition while running. What flavors should I avoid/exploit?
This one is on my watch list. I was thinking of it last year, but my kids were both running it (first race for both? and slowly), so they didn't want me there.tri-man - Signed up last night to run the Big10K with a buddy in Chicago on 7/26. Basically you choose a Big 10 school with which you want to be affiliated, and then they give you the appropriate tech shirt to wear during the race. You should check it out and rock your Michigan colors!
I dislike the Hammer gels because they never tell me how much (if any) caffeine is in them. I like that Gu's got that tiny "25 mg caffeine" or "50 mg caffeine" disclaimer on it. As far as taste goes, I rank the Gu as:Not gonna lie, had to look it up. So how do you prep for that the week before a race so that you aren't ingesting mass quantities of salt tablets during a race? (this may or may not have occurred recently to someone posting in this thread)Do you just up your sodium intake during the week? I struggle mightily with cramps late in a race (think miles 25+) and am desperately searching for a fix before I can entertain going much further in the ultra category.SFBayDuck said:Only thing I would add is to perhaps up your electrolyte intake in the days going into the race as drinking a bunch of water without electrolytes could throw off the natural balance in your body. I know I'm a little more attentive to this than most because hyponatremia is a real concern in ultras (much less so in sub-marathon distances), and is far more likely to end a race than dehydration is, but something to consider.
This could be as simple as a little extra salt on your meals to mixing in some sports drinks. I like to use Nuun tablets as they don't have a bunch of calories but do give you some extra sodium/potassium/magnesium (the latter is the one that most people tend to be deficient in). Plus they taste good.
If you go GU, salted caramel is the #### if you can find it. If not I use GU Roctane (because of the amino acids & I think it tastes better) Blueberry or whatever the hell comes in the blue pack.That said, I'm with Ned +1 for Hammer Gels. You get the amino acids and they are cheaper. I alternate between the Mountain Berry & Raspberry.The salted caramel Gu is really, really good. I think it's just seasonal (winter), though.
Is it just gels or do you not like any coffee flavored food items?Juxtatarot said:I can't stand the coffee flavored ones. During one of my marathons they handed them out and the woman told me "Vanilla". That's fine, I thought. However, it ended up being Vanilla Bean and the "Bean" apparently stands for "coffee bean". I almost spit it out.
I only like hot coffee. Any time I have coffee flavored stuff (ice cream, gels, etc.), it reminds me of the taste of coffee that's been sitting out too long and gotten cold.Is it just gels or do you not like any coffee flavored food items?Juxtatarot said:I can't stand the coffee flavored ones. During one of my marathons they handed them out and the woman told me "Vanilla". That's fine, I thought. However, it ended up being Vanilla Bean and the "Bean" apparently stands for "coffee bean". I almost spit it out.
My perpetuum is mocha and I like it.
Agree that hammer is better than gu, seems to be less popular though.
I like most coffee flavored stuff (ice cream, even candy...) but hate the coffee flavored gu.Is it just gels or do you not like any coffee flavored food items?Juxtatarot said:I can't stand the coffee flavored ones. During one of my marathons they handed them out and the woman told me "Vanilla". That's fine, I thought. However, it ended up being Vanilla Bean and the "Bean" apparently stands for "coffee bean". I almost spit it out.
My perpetuum is mocha and I like it.
Agree that hammer is better than gu, seems to be less popular though.
It depends on who you ask. Dr. Tim Noakes would say drink to thirst, eat a normal diet, and your body is smart enough to regulate the electrolyte and hydration balances both before and during exercise. He says that as long as we drink to thirst we don't even need to supplement with electrolytes as we have plenty of reserves (particularly of sodium) in the body that we can tap into if we need more. Of course most anecdotal evidence goes against that, and not too many ultrarunners are giving up their S-caps. But it has become accepted that some dehydration is normal and inevitable (even advantageous?) during long efforts, and the recommendation of trying to "replace" everything you lose through sweat has been largely debunked.Not gonna lie, had to look it up. So how do you prep for that the week before a race so that you aren't ingesting mass quantities of salt tablets during a race? (this may or may not have occurred recently to someone posting in this thread)SFBayDuck said:Only thing I would add is to perhaps up your electrolyte intake in the days going into the race as drinking a bunch of water without electrolytes could throw off the natural balance in your body. I know I'm a little more attentive to this than most because hyponatremia is a real concern in ultras (much less so in sub-marathon distances), and is far more likely to end a race than dehydration is, but something to consider.
This could be as simple as a little extra salt on your meals to mixing in some sports drinks. I like to use Nuun tablets as they don't have a bunch of calories but do give you some extra sodium/potassium/magnesium (the latter is the one that most people tend to be deficient in). Plus they taste good.
Do you just up your sodium intake during the week? I struggle mightily with cramps late in a race (think miles 25+) and am desperately searching for a fix before I can entertain going much further in the ultra category.
My grandfather told me the ancient Chinese secret is to just eat the chicken penis and not the breast. Didn't yours tell you the same?Also dont eat like 8 chicken breasts the night before. You'll have to poop during the race.
Lots of better/cheaper things to carry. Jellybeans, orange slices (candy ones), etc. All you need is easy to digest calories and these have those without tasting like ###.I'm with Sand, do not typically partake of the gel unless absolutely necessary i.e. very long run with no other nutrition. I run first thing in the morning with nothing more than a cup of coffee in me regardless of the distance. About 10 miles into a long run you start getting a might bit peckish and these are the least evil things I've found to carry & consume.Go to the running store and buy a few singles to try out.
Personally just the thought of eating those things - :X
Jelly beans - like Easter candy or the sports beans? Never liked the sports beans though I would use them occasionally.Lots of better/cheaper things to carry. Jellybeans, orange slices (candy ones), etc. All you need is easy to digest calories and these have those without tasting like ###.I'm with Sand, do not typically partake of the gel unless absolutely necessary i.e. very long run with no other nutrition. I run first thing in the morning with nothing more than a cup of coffee in me regardless of the distance. About 10 miles into a long run you start getting a might bit peckish and these are the least evil things I've found to carry & consume.Go to the running store and buy a few singles to try out.
Personally just the thought of eating those things - :X
Of course, one chicken penis before bed every night!My grandfather told me the ancient Chinese secret is to just eat the chicken penis and not the breast. Didn't yours tell you the same?Also dont eat like 8 chicken breasts the night before. You'll have to poop during the race.
I've never done this, but I've seen people on other forums argue in favor of jelly beans and gummi bears. GU and other products are really just fancied-up sugar. So if you prefer the taste/texture of candy instead, you're about as well off just to go that route.Jelly beans - like Easter candy or the sports beans? Never liked the sports beans though I would use them occasionally.Lots of better/cheaper things to carry. Jellybeans, orange slices (candy ones), etc. All you need is easy to digest calories and these have those without tasting like ###.I'm with Sand, do not typically partake of the gel unless absolutely necessary i.e. very long run with no other nutrition. I run first thing in the morning with nothing more than a cup of coffee in me regardless of the distance. About 10 miles into a long run you start getting a might bit peckish and these are the least evil things I've found to carry & consume.Go to the running store and buy a few singles to try out.
Personally just the thought of eating those things - :X
:( I'm missing that race after doing it more often than not over the past decade.The upside of being on the shelf from running on weekends...and not running the half this morning in Nashville....I get to sleep til about 7:30.
Was talking about this with the boss yesterday, is it a Rock n Roll event?The upside of being on the shelf from running on weekends...and not running the half this morning in Nashville....I get to sleep til about 7:30.
Yep, lots of differing opinions out there. I've tried a few different things (none of which worked) but it's difficult to reproduce the effort necessary to cramp up when they occur at mile 25 or so other than race day, I don't know what will work. It's a pain but I'll continue to educate and rely on you & the boys for advice. I drink almost exclusively water as well so I don't think that is a problem. I'll have to look into pre-loading sometime. Before the last 50k I pre-loaded with bananas all weekIt depends on who you ask. Dr. Tim Noakes would say drink to thirst, eat a normal diet, and your body is smart enough to regulate the electrolyte and hydration balances both before and during exercise. He says that as long as we drink to thirst we don't even need to supplement with electrolytes as we have plenty of reserves (particularly of sodium) in the body that we can tap into if we need more. Of course most anecdotal evidence goes against that, and not too many ultrarunners are giving up their S-caps. But it has become accepted that some dehydration is normal and inevitable (even advantageous?) during long efforts, and the recommendation of trying to "replace" everything you lose through sweat has been largely debunked.Not gonna lie, had to look it up. So how do you prep for that the week before a race so that you aren't ingesting mass quantities of salt tablets during a race? (this may or may not have occurred recently to someone posting in this thread)SFBayDuck said:Only thing I would add is to perhaps up your electrolyte intake in the days going into the race as drinking a bunch of water without electrolytes could throw off the natural balance in your body. I know I'm a little more attentive to this than most because hyponatremia is a real concern in ultras (much less so in sub-marathon distances), and is far more likely to end a race than dehydration is, but something to consider.
This could be as simple as a little extra salt on your meals to mixing in some sports drinks. I like to use Nuun tablets as they don't have a bunch of calories but do give you some extra sodium/potassium/magnesium (the latter is the one that most people tend to be deficient in). Plus they taste good.
Do you just up your sodium intake during the week? I struggle mightily with cramps late in a race (think miles 25+) and am desperately searching for a fix before I can entertain going much further in the ultra category.
Then you have people like Dr. Stacy Sims (co-founder of Skratch Labs and founder of Osmo Nutrition) who says not only is hydration way more complicated than that, but that you can pre-load as well.
As for cramps, this seems to be an area where science still doesn't really know. Beer, I know you and I talked about my thoughts on this a while back.
So for me, as someone who drinks water pretty consistently anyway, I just tend to slightly up my intake in the days going into a race, and do so with something like Nuun tablets to offset the slight chance that I could be throwing my electrolyte balances out of whack.
That's actually not a bad idea. I know ultra guys who do that, too.Usually take one of those baby food pouches w/ me on my runs over 10 miles or so because I didn't know what else to do and figured these were a pretty decent thing to take.
Yeah, I heard it's not the flatest course around either, is that true?Was talking about this with the boss yesterday, is it a Rock n Roll event?The upside of being on the shelf from running on weekends...and not running the half this morning in Nashville....I get to sleep til about 7:30.
Yup, I've seen those at races quite a bit. Haven't tried it myself yet, but will probably do so this summer.That's actually not a bad idea. I know ultra guys who do that, too.Usually take one of those baby food pouches w/ me on my runs over 10 miles or so because I didn't know what else to do and figured these were a pretty decent thing to take.
Bummer. Hope you get to feeling better.Well, to start the weekend race reports with, hopefully, the only downer: 15 mile trail race ...DNF. Finished the second of three loops and stopped there. Around mile 3, I managed to lock the keys of my new Garmin 310. Around mile 7, I managed to lock a lower calf muscle. I limped and jogged a few miles back to the start, but I had no good reason to push another loop and risk further damage. The calf didn't pop or anything ...I think it's just a bad aggravation (from the high ankle to the start of curve - the plantaris tendon or soleus muscle?). Don't know if it's an after-effect of last weekend's heavy workout, some different stretching yesterday (which finally helped with some behind-the-hip tightness), or linked to a bad night's sleep. I'll RICE it and see how it loosens back up. I figured out the Garmin after getting home (it got locked on a pace screen instead of a HR screen ..grr). OK, on to more positive races ....
It's not Duck quality, but it's hilly.Yeah, I heard it's not the flatest course around either, is that true?Was talking about this with the boss yesterday, is it a Rock n Roll event?The upside of being on the shelf from running on weekends...and not running the half this morning in Nashville....I get to sleep til about 7:30.
WTF??ChiefD said:I popped a couple of gels in my mouth. I usually store them in my left cheek and just break em down as I go.