Ran a 10k in June (3 Viewers)

[pmbrown_22]

I will second the patella strap for a try. I wear one and it seems to really help. I do not feel near as much in my knee as I used to when I ran. It still hurts some, but with the strap not nearly as much as it used to.

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Probably had the worst run ever for me last night. I had a cold and thought that i was over it. I went out last night to run my 7 and could not breath at all. Everything moved into my chest without me being aware of it. I still got the miles in, but there was a lot of walking. I ran like 10 minute miles which I have never done. I will have to see about today though. May be an unsheduled off day for me.

 

[Tecumseh]

Well, on the plus side, everything feels MUCH better this morning. I suspect the tendonitis suggestion may be correct (I also get it in my elbow). I will try out the strap, though. I'm taking today off, and will do 2-3 miles tomorrow, before 6 ( ) on Sunday.

 

[Third]

Did speedwork yesterday morning (3x1-mile).

My 8-yr-old daughter has basketball practice on Tuesday nights (I help coach). The gym has a little track around the top, and we always run after practice is over. As I've mentioned before, she is trying to get enough mileage to qualify to run the kid's marathon final mile first weekend in March.

We usually do 15 laps (approx. 1.25 miles).

Last night she says, "Dad, how many laps would we have to run to do 2 miles?"

"24."

Pause.

"Okay, let's do 24 tonight!"

She ran the entire 2 miles (no walking) and told me along the way that one of her New Year's Resolutions she made for an assignment at school was to run a 5K with her dad in 2010.

 

[proninja]

I hit the pool for the first time in a long time last night.

I've got a long way to go. I swam 100 yards before I had to stop. From there, I'd crawl 25 yards, breast stroke another 25, then break for a minute. At the end, I did four 25 yard sprints. My kid sister is working up a program for me, and holy crap, do I need it.

Everything aside from the bike is going to be a long, windy road.

 

[wraith5]

Did speedwork yesterday morning (3x1-mile).My 8-yr-old daughter has basketball practice on Tuesday nights (I help coach). The gym has a little track around the top, and we always run after practice is over. As I've mentioned before, she is trying to get enough mileage to qualify to run the kid's marathon final mile first weekend in March. We usually do 15 laps (approx. 1.25 miles). Last night she says, "Dad, how many laps would we have to run to do 2 miles?""24."Pause."Okay, let's do 24 tonight!"She ran the entire 2 miles (no walking) and told me along the way that one of her New Year's Resolutions she made for an assignment at school was to run a 5K with her dad in 2010.

and I'm not doing speedwork right now but your post made me miss it!! Very cool about your daughter!! _________________________________________Did 50 minutes on the bike this morning and lifted - felt very good after and carried a ton of energy through the morning.

 

[tri-man 47]

She ran the entire 2 miles (no walking) and told me along the way that one of her New Year's Resolutions she made for an assignment at school was to run a 5K with her dad in 2010.

on all counts.

 

[BassNBrew]

75 miles last night on the computrainer. 4h24m, 144 HR, 3809 cal burned. As much of a mental workout as a physical one.

Total sufferfest with bad cramping issues in the last 20 miles and an interval that caused me to puke in my mouth twice. That last event is why you try your nutrition before race day. I'm usually very tolerant of cytomax, but it's been 4 months since ingesting that strong sweetness. My lower quads (inner and outer) where the cramping took place feel like they are bruised today.

 

[2Young2BBald]

She ran the entire 2 miles (no walking) and told me along the way that one of her New Year's Resolutions she made for an assignment at school was to run a 5K with her dad in 2010.

on all counts.

Agree X 1,000!!!! Way to be a great role model Dad!!!!! ( for being a coach too. I know all too well the good deed that is that never goes unpunished).

 

[Sand]

75 miles last night on the computrainer. 4h24m, 144 HR, 3809 cal burned. As much of a mental workout as a physical one.Total sufferfest with bad cramping issues in the last 20 miles and an interval that caused me to puke in my mouth twice. That last event is why you try your nutrition before race day. I'm usually very tolerant of cytomax, but it's been 4 months since ingesting that strong sweetness. My lower quads (inner and outer) where the cramping took place feel like they are bruised today.

4.5 hours on a trainer. You, sir, are certifiable.----On a personal note I went on a run tonight after having issues with shin splints from my running last week (ran on a business trip on less than idea sidewalks). The plan was to run 1 easy, 3 at tempo, and 2.5 at reasonable pace. I managed the tempo 3 in 7:42/mile aggregate (quite hilly) and then struggled on the way in holding a reasonable pace. I should have been 10-15 seconds/mile faster on the tempo run and should have brought it in stronger. I did do a leg workout at lunch, but still should have done much, much better here. Extremely disappointing. I am slowly realizing my goal of a 1:40 half next weekend is a pipe dream.

 

[wraith5]

75 miles last night on the computrainer. 4h24m, 144 HR, 3809 cal burned. As much of a mental workout as a physical one.Total sufferfest with bad cramping issues in the last 20 miles and an interval that caused me to puke in my mouth twice. That last event is why you try your nutrition before race day. I'm usually very tolerant of cytomax, but it's been 4 months since ingesting that strong sweetness. My lower quads (inner and outer) where the cramping took place feel like they are bruised today.

4.5 hours on a trainer. You, sir, are certifiable.

I can't even imagine being in the saddle for 1/2 that time. Well done BnB!!

 

[prosopis]

I did 4.5 on the elyptical today. I think I mentioned I had some lt leg/### pain last week. It caused me to limp around so I did nothing Thurs-Sun. Monday and Tuesday I ran. This am I had a LOT of left knee pain. The pain felt like it was behind the knee and along the outside. Walking around was not bad but if crouched down like I was going to tie my shoe the pain was unbearable. I took 400 mg Ibuprofen and went to the gym. I did not lift weights with my legs but I did do upper body. I then got on the treadmill thinking I would just do a nice slow walk and watch ESPN. About 2 mins in I was hating it and I knew I was gonna pick up the pace so I just got off of it. I figured the elyptical would be better for me. I did 4 1/2 at 10mm on the elyptical. Right now my knee feels fine. I am not sure if it is the ibuprofen or the elyptical that has it feeling better.

I rarely stretch. Today I got in the stretch cage and tried doing the stretches they have detailed in the cage. Maybe that helped? I dont know but I guess I will find out tomorrow morning. :X

 

[gruecd]

Knocked out my first LT run of the training cycle. Ventured indoors and did 8 miles with 4 @ 6:49 HMP. I felt OK on the first three, but I felt like I was gonna puke during the last one. :X

Hard to believe that 5 months ago I was doing twice as many tempo miles, and faster.

I doubt I'll have time to post tomorrow, but I hope to do 4 recovery miles early tomorrow morning and another 4-5 recovery miles later tomorrow night.

I hope everybody is doing well. Happy running!

 

[BassNBrew]

Knocked out my first LT run of the training cycle. Ventured indoors and did 8 miles with 4 @ 6:49 HMP. I felt OK on the first three, but I felt like I was gonna puke during the last one.

Hard to believe that 5 months ago I was doing twice as many tempo miles, and faster.

I doubt I'll have time to post tomorrow, but I hope to do 4 recovery miles early tomorrow morning and another 4-5 recovery miles later tomorrow night.

I hope everybody is doing well. Happy running!

Indoors meaning dreadmill or indoor track?

 

[tri-man 47]

A mouth-puke and a near-puke. Oh yeah!!! It's February, and we're all starting to gear it up!!!

 

[gruecd]

Knocked out my first LT run of the training cycle. Ventured indoors and did 8 miles with 4 @ 6:49 HMP. I felt OK on the first three, but I felt like I was gonna puke during the last one. :X

Hard to believe that 5 months ago I was doing twice as many tempo miles, and faster.

I doubt I'll have time to post tomorrow, but I hope to do 4 recovery miles early tomorrow morning and another 4-5 recovery miles later tomorrow night.

I hope everybody is doing well. Happy running!

Indoors meaning dreadmill or indoor track?

Dreadmill. Blech.

 

[gruecd]

A mouth-puke and a near-puke. Oh yeah!!! It's February, and we're all starting to gear it up!!!

Less than 11 weeks 'til Beantown!!

 

[Newman]

Did speedwork yesterday morning (3x1-mile).My 8-yr-old daughter has basketball practice on Tuesday nights (I help coach). The gym has a little track around the top, and we always run after practice is over. As I've mentioned before, she is trying to get enough mileage to qualify to run the kid's marathon final mile first weekend in March. We usually do 15 laps (approx. 1.25 miles). Last night she says, "Dad, how many laps would we have to run to do 2 miles?""24."Pause."Okay, let's do 24 tonight!"She ran the entire 2 miles (no walking) and told me along the way that one of her New Year's Resolutions she made for an assignment at school was to run a 5K with her dad in 2010.

That is greatness . I can only hope that my little one has an interest in running when she is old enough.Sand, good luck in your half next weekend; same to you gruecd in Boston...awesome that you're running that race. BNB, that workout is insane!

 

[BassNBrew]

Knocked out my first LT run of the training cycle. Ventured indoors and did 8 miles with 4 @ 6:49 HMP. I felt OK on the first three, but I felt like I was gonna puke during the last one.

Hard to believe that 5 months ago I was doing twice as many tempo miles, and faster.

I doubt I'll have time to post tomorrow, but I hope to do 4 recovery miles early tomorrow morning and another 4-5 recovery miles later tomorrow night.

I hope everybody is doing well. Happy running!

Indoors meaning dreadmill or indoor track?

Dreadmill. Blech.

In that case I don't think you can compare your results. For me the dreadmill is significantly slower. I can't lean forward on the mill with the ground being yanked out from underneath me.

 

[proninja]

75 miles last night on the computrainer. 4h24m, 144 HR, 3809 cal burned. As much of a mental workout as a physical one.Total sufferfest with bad cramping issues in the last 20 miles and an interval that caused me to puke in my mouth twice. That last event is why you try your nutrition before race day. I'm usually very tolerant of cytomax, but it's been 4 months since ingesting that strong sweetness. My lower quads (inner and outer) where the cramping took place feel like they are bruised today.

4.5 hours on a trainer. You, sir, are certifiable.

I can't even imagine being in the saddle for 1/2 that time. Well done BnB!!

Seriously. I went for a ride tonight, but had the GF along, and I couldn't drag her along for more than 45 minutes in the pouring rain.

 

[BassNBrew]

http://www.nashbar.com/webapp/wcs/stores/s...81_10000_201686

sub $38 dura ace chain for those getting the bike ready for the season.

 

[pmbrown_22]

Took a much needed day off yesterday, but was at it early this morning doing my 5 x 800 repeats. Not much fun, but good enough for me. I did lunges for the first time yesterday so my quads were barking a bit, but did it anyway. Only feel it will make me stronger, plus i now know that i need to do more leg lifting as you guys have mentioned here before. I think this afternoon I will do another 3 or file slow miles and try to get in the habit of running twice on the days I do my speed workouts. We'll see how long that lasts as I am dragging now and not sure if I will have the energy to run tonight. May just push through it anyway to see what I am made of.

 

[pigskinliquors]

...her New Year's Resolutions she made for an assignment at school was to run a 5K with her dad in 2010.

Great stuff!!!!! BNB: Insanity is a great word for that much time on the trainer. I'll most likely complete the full 2-hours of the Spinerval DVD this weekend, and can't imagine spinning twice + that. What are you watching/listening to while on for that long? Also, do you have a power meter and cadence on your trainer. Great to hear the puke/purp stories. As I'm still building base mileage, I look forward to workouts that push me that far. I did a nice 6 mile run in the cold/rain at 5:30 this morning. My miles were: 8:33, 8:14, 8:06, 7:55, 7:51, 7:44. My legs feel great with no calf pain, but I do think I pulled something in my lower back yesterday doing a back/chest workout. No pain while running, but I can feel it when I walk. I've also lost 4 of the extra 9 lbs. I put on since Thanksgiving this month, and hope to get two more over the next month.

 

[gruecd]

In that case I don't think you can compare your results. For me the dreadmill is significantly slower. I can't lean forward on the mill with the ground being yanked out from underneath me.

What do you mean? FWIW, on the rare occasions when I do run on the treadmill, I always set a 1% incline, which supposedly makes the treadmill effort equal to running outside. That being said, I still feel like I work sooooo much harder on a treadmill, even at slower paces.

 

[Sand]

In that case I don't think you can compare your results. For me the dreadmill is significantly slower. I can't lean forward on the mill with the ground being yanked out from underneath me.

What do you mean? FWIW, on the rare occasions when I do run on the treadmill, I always set a 1% incline, which supposedly makes the treadmill effort equal to running outside. That being said, I still feel like I work sooooo much harder on a treadmill, even at slower paces.

Amen - the treadmill is much harder than running outside.

 

[BassNBrew]

In that case I don't think you can compare your results. For me the dreadmill is significantly slower. I can't lean forward on the mill with the ground being yanked out from underneath me.

What do you mean? FWIW, on the rare occasions when I do run on the treadmill, I always set a 1% incline, which supposedly makes the treadmill effort equal to running outside. That being said, I still feel like I work sooooo much harder on a treadmill, even at slower paces.

What I meant is that you can't compare the results of a hard effort on the treadmill to outdoor hard efforts months ago. Your first post came of as...I lost a lot of speed/fitness. Given the other info you have posted, I don't think it's that bad as is more related to the treadmill than your fitness.I agree that you probably work harder on the treadmill. Just theorizing here...but you're not getting the same push off or friction effects on the treadmill. I know I tend to run faster with a slight lean forward. I can't seem to do this on the treadmill. I also wonder if higher turnover is punished on the treadmill. In theory, if I could jump slightly forward on two feet with a thousanth of a second contact time with the ground I would go virtually no where outside while covering a great distance on the treadmill.

 

[BassNBrew]

BNB: Insanity is a great word for that much time on the trainer. I'll most likely complete the full 2-hours of the Spinerval DVD this weekend, and can't imagine spinning twice + that. What are you watching/listening to while on for that long? Also, do you have a power meter and cadence on your trainer.

Rode a 20 mile course with one team mate and then another 20 mile course with another at the studio. The last 30 five other people join us. We had the tunes going and you get interactive feedback on the projector with your position, speed, cadence, watts, grade, watts/kg. There's also a drafting feature so during the second set my teammates and I did a TTT effort taking turns pulling at threshold watts and then dropping back to recover. I had about 5 miles of diddle time as the new people joined in and calibrated their equipment and was off the bike a couple of times to refill water and three of so times to stretch out cramps. My actual ride times were 20m - 55 min - 225w, 20m - 55 min - 225w, 30m - 115 min - 180w, 5m misc - 30 min, 10 min for water/stretch breaks. Now that I got picked up by the shop's cycling team I get free studio time. The tri team discount was 60% off.

 

[gruecd]

What I meant is that you can't compare the results of a hard effort on the treadmill to outdoor hard efforts months ago. Your first post came of as...I lost a lot of speed/fitness. Given the other info you have posted, I don't think it's that bad as is more related to the treadmill than your fitness.I agree that you probably work harder on the treadmill. Just theorizing here...but you're not getting the same push off or friction effects on the treadmill. I know I tend to run faster with a slight lean forward. I can't seem to do this on the treadmill. I also wonder if higher turnover is punished on the treadmill. In theory, if I could jump slightly forward on two feet with a thousanth of a second contact time with the ground I would go virtually no where outside while covering a great distance on the treadmill.

Gotcha. And that's a good point about the forward lean. I do that, too. It's one of the key components of Chi Running. You want your feet to land underneath or slightly behind you, and I remember thinking while I was running last night how it's almost impossible to do that on the TM. Probably why I get injured when I run on those GD things too much!

 

[Sand]

In that case I don't think you can compare your results. For me the dreadmill is significantly slower. I can't lean forward on the mill with the ground being yanked out from underneath me.

What do you mean? FWIW, on the rare occasions when I do run on the treadmill, I always set a 1% incline, which supposedly makes the treadmill effort equal to running outside. That being said, I still feel like I work sooooo much harder on a treadmill, even at slower paces.

What I meant is that you can't compare the results of a hard effort on the treadmill to outdoor hard efforts months ago. Your first post came of as...I lost a lot of speed/fitness. Given the other info you have posted, I don't think it's that bad as is more related to the treadmill than your fitness.I agree that you probably work harder on the treadmill. Just theorizing here...but you're not getting the same push off or friction effects on the treadmill. I know I tend to run faster with a slight lean forward. I can't seem to do this on the treadmill. I also wonder if higher turnover is punished on the treadmill. In theory, if I could jump slightly forward on two feet with a thousanth of a second contact time with the ground I would go virtually no where outside while covering a great distance on the treadmill.

Don't forget that a treadmills are generally built to have a decent amount of give for comfort. The give tends to be pretty soft (i.e it doesn't spring back). This will sap forward momentum somewhat (simple physics).

 

[BassNBrew]

What I meant is that you can't compare the results of a hard effort on the treadmill to outdoor hard efforts months ago. Your first post came of as...I lost a lot of speed/fitness. Given the other info you have posted, I don't think it's that bad as is more related to the treadmill than your fitness.I agree that you probably work harder on the treadmill. Just theorizing here...but you're not getting the same push off or friction effects on the treadmill. I know I tend to run faster with a slight lean forward. I can't seem to do this on the treadmill. I also wonder if higher turnover is punished on the treadmill. In theory, if I could jump slightly forward on two feet with a thousanth of a second contact time with the ground I would go virtually no where outside while covering a great distance on the treadmill.

Gotcha. And that's a good point about the forward lean. I do that, too. It's one of the key components of Chi Running. You want your feet to land underneath or slightly behind you, and I remember thinking while I was running last night how it's almost impossible to do that on the TM. Probably why I get injured when I run on those GD things too much!

I'm surprised this didn't smack you in the face a little harder. Given your mileage and technical expertise, I would suspect that you would be able to tell if the mill wasn't level within a 1/4 of a degree.

 

[BassNBrew]

Runners make want to skip this post. The guys who ride bikes may find this interesting.

Well some of you are going to laugh, but I solved my crank problem.

For better or worse, I own 4 bikes.

1. A carbon Motobecane is basically a loaner bike and used on the trainer prior to TTs. Decent components, but it started creaking when heavy force is applied...only happens under certain conditions. Bike shop can't fix it, says it's not the crank or bottom bracket. I could dump $200+ bucks into shipping back to motobecane to fix or replace the frame. Of course they could point fingers back at a component or say they don't see anything wrong and I out $200 bucks in two way shipping. Even if it is fixed, I have a bike worth $500. So at this point spending $200 bucks to hopefully net $300 isn't a great idea. Eventually it will be a good bike for my girlfriend's son or mine. This bike has a carbon FSA SLK compact crank (50-34) that I like (assuming it isn't the source of the creak).

2. A Trek Equonix TT bike. Basically got the bike for free and bought a Zipp disc and 404 wheelset. Fast and fits perfect. I really like this bike but the Bontrager carbon crank has always been flexy. I swap out the big chain ring for a Shimano ultregra chain and this helped with the shifting, but I'm pretty sure I'm losing some wattage here.

3. A Cervelo Dura-Ace R3. Thought I got a good deal at the time on a nice used bike. Rode it a few times and was very happy with the performance. It's light and stiff and built for climbing. It came with a dura ace 53-40 crank.

4. A Cervelo SLC (now called an S2). This bike retailed for over $5K and I picked it up new for $3200. Best bike I've ever ridden. Fast, aero, and stiff. Rode the Blue Ridge Parkway and several races last year with it and was extremely pleased. Came with an FSA SLK standard crank which I moved over to the R# and replaced with the dura ace crank.

Well the original plan when I bought the SLC was to sell the R3 for what I paid or a small loss and still be ahead of the game. I've always done well moving things I've bought and sold previously. Didn't count on the economic meltdown and I haven't been able to move it for close to want I want. I could probably part it out but really don't want to hassle with that. My other fear is that if I sell it at a big loss, I'll wreck the SLC in a crash and end up buying having to buy another used bike that i have no history on and not equipped the way I like. As a result, I've decided to put a compact crank on the R3 and use it in the mountains where I spend a good bit of time riding. I've riden the SLC in the mountains alot last year, but at my weight the compact would make this much more enjoyable and allow me to tackle 20%+ grades without as much wear and tear on my knees/legs. The R3 is more comfort/climbing built while the SLC is more aero/race built. The problem with just putting a compact on the SLC is that I'll spin out of the gearing in some of the local races in the flatlands.

Well I stumbled across this solution to my issues. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...e=STRK:MEWNX:IT

This crank will go on my Trek TT bike. I should gain some race benefit from the stiffness, aero characteristics, and ceramic bottom bracket. The Bonteger crank on the Trek TT bike will be moved to the Motobecane. This should help me isolated the creaking as a crank or frame issue without any further investment. The FSA SLK compact crack will move from the Motobecane to the R3 giving me the perfect climbing/comfort bike for the moutains. It will probably make the bike more saleable if I come across someone looking to buy at a reasonable price.

Yeah, I've got a lot tied up in bikes. But at 300 hours a year or so on the bike, I want to enjoy the time to the fullest. My son and girlfriend's son have also taken an interest in riding so hopefully it's a hobby I'll be enjoying with them for a long time. I've also found out after a high speed descent death wobble on the Motobecane that inferior equipment is the way to go.

 

[pigskinliquors]

BNB: Insanity is a great word for that much time on the trainer. I'll most likely complete the full 2-hours of the Spinerval DVD this weekend, and can't imagine spinning twice + that. What are you watching/listening to while on for that long? Also, do you have a power meter and cadence on your trainer.

Rode a 20 mile course with one team mate and then another 20 mile course with another at the studio. The last 30 five other people join us. We had the tunes going and you get interactive feedback on the projector with your position, speed, cadence, watts, grade, watts/kg. There's also a drafting feature so during the second set my teammates and I did a TTT effort taking turns pulling at threshold watts and then dropping back to recover. I had about 5 miles of diddle time as the new people joined in and calibrated their equipment and was off the bike a couple of times to refill water and three of so times to stretch out cramps. My actual ride times were 20m - 55 min - 225w, 20m - 55 min - 225w, 30m - 115 min - 180w, 5m misc - 30 min, 10 min for water/stretch breaks. Now that I got picked up by the shop's cycling team I get free studio time. The tri team discount was 60% off.

5 miles on a bike is a lot of time to diddle I like your bike solution. I have only three bikes, and will most likely buy a fourth this year. I can't imagine selling any of them, as they all have their own purposes. You'll lose to much in the sale, to justify the loss of memories and utility.

 

[tri-man 47]

I like your bike wife solution. I have only three bikes, and will most likely buy a fourth this year. I can't imagine selling any of them, as they all have their own purposes. You'll lose too much in the sale, to justify the loss of memories and utility.

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Can one of you recommend a good set/series of biking DVDs? As I 'gear' up, I should use a tape or two to enhance my indoor training.

 

[BassNBrew]

A link for the triguys. A bigger isn't better when it comes to crank length

Of course maybe you runnerguys can use this info with your significant others.

I found this article very interesting and it goes against conventional wisdom, but makes 100% sense to me. With my recent crank purchase I went from a 175mm that I've always used to a 172.5mm. Initially I was looking at 180mm because I like to spin slow and power a big gear. Until I read this article I didn't even think about the impact on hip angle and aero setup. Often we think about leverage at the 3's and forget about the impact on our body at the 12s and 6s.

 

[proninja]

A link for the triguys. A bigger isn't better when it comes to crank length

Of course maybe you runnerguys can use this info with your significant others.

I found this article very interesting and it goes against conventional wisdom, but makes 100% sense to me. With my recent crank purchase I went from a 175mm that I've always used to a 172.5mm. Initially I was looking at 180mm because I like to spin slow and power a big gear. Until I read this article I didn't even think about the impact on hip angle and aero setup. Often we think about leverage at the 3's and forget about the impact on our body at the 12s and 6s.

That was a very interesting article. This thread is motivating. I may not have reached BnB levels, but I'm off for about 20 miles with a few good climbs.

 

[gruecd]

Hey, guys. Was planning on doing a 4 AM/5 PM recovery double today, but I opted for sleep this morning instead, so I did an easy 9-miler after work instead. Averaged 8:27 pace. Gonna do another easy 5 tomorrow morning and 16-17 on Saturday.

The Third - Pretty cool about your daughter. Good stuff.

 

[Sand]

I've also found out after a high speed descent death wobble on the Motobecane that inferior equipment is the way to go.

Death wobbles are the most fun aspects of riding. (Actually I've never had one of those. My Kestrel is pretty darn stable and hopefully a good number of steps above the Motobecane).----On my end I woke up this morning amazingly sore from my strength workout. Perhaps that did affect my fast run last night. Not doing that again until after the half, for sure.Popped out 3000yd in the pool tonight. finished up with 20x100yd intervals on 1:50 and 1:40. Held 1:23-1:25/100yd pretty well - good workout.

 

[BassNBrew]

I've also found out after a high speed descent death wobble on the Motobecane that inferior equipment is the way to go.

Death wobbles are the most fun aspects of riding.

(Actually I've never had one of those. My Kestrel is pretty darn stable and hopefully a good number of steps above the Motobecane).

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On my end I woke up this morning amazingly sore from my strength workout. Perhaps that did affect my fast run last night. Not doing that again until after the half, for sure.

Popped out 3000yd in the pool tonight. finished up with 20x100yd intervals on 1:50 and 1:40. Held 1:23-1:25/100yd pretty well - good workout.

When you're racing down a 7 mile switchback descent at 220 lbs things can go horribly wrong in hurry if things aren't dialed in.

 

[Third]

Ran on the treadmill last night for the first time in months due to continuing rain.

Hated it.

Did 6 miles (scheduled for 8) and it felt like a chore. I know this has been discussed ad nauseum, but I feel so slow on the treadmill - like I have to run so much harder to hold my target pace.

 

[pmbrown_22]

Did my first double workout yesterday. Yesterday morning was my 5 x 800s as reported here yesterday, and then at the gym last night I ran 3 miles on the treadmill. I thought that it would kill me, but it really was not all that bad. I actually enjoyed it and I am no worse for wear today. I think that I may start doing more of this in the future. I hear that it can really help fitness and with losing wieght.

 

[Sand]

For you runners - a neat article about the anti-aging effects of running.

I don't remember anyone posting this here.

 

[2Young2BBald]

Like clockwork, my lack of exercise has lead to the worst cold I have had in a very long time as my immune system got lazy too. Tomorrow is two weeks without running and I was planning on giving it a whirl. My calf feels great and I am dying to see where it is at. I was able to swim twice this week, 2,500 yards each, but have stayed off the bike too. I told my wife I had no doubt I'd end up sick with everything going around the office and not keeping my defenses up by exercising. Now I'll have to obey the old "above the neck, what the heck, neck below, take it slow" theory. The damn thing has settled in my chest.

On a lighter note, I got my 2XU calf guards. I am going to REALLY like these. No doubt, they are swimable, even if they are not under a wetsuit (I am going to embarrass the heck out of my daughter).

BnB, question about recovery from the "death wobbles". I may have read it here that it is best to pin your knees against the center post to steady the bike and feather the rear brake, right? Short of praying, anything else? One of the tris on my list is on a very hilly course (at least for souther MI). I maxed at 35 MPH last year and it scared the crap out of my.

Back to whining to my wife.

 

[tri-man 47]

For you runners - a neat article about the anti-aging effects of running.

I don't remember anyone posting this here.

That's quite fascinating!And 2Young ...been there/done that ...throttle it down for a bit, and the germs seize the opportunity. Feel better.

 

[wraith5]

Sorry about the cold, 2Y. Tis the season - my kids are ALWAYS sick and I ALWAYS get whatever they have. Good times.

I'm with all you guys on the treadmill stuff. Better than not running, but a drag regardless.

Did an hour on the bike trainer late last night - I owe a "thanks!" to gruecd who provided the motivation I needed to finish the last 20 minutes, otherwise I surely would have bailed. My dinner wasn't sitting well and I swear I've never sweat so much in my life as I did on that damned bike. I didn't even crank up the gears like I usually do.

This morning I did a 3 mile tempo with 1 mile warm/cooldown. Managed 8:17s barely.

Then at lunchtime I hit the pool for a meager 1200yds. 4x 200s and 1x 400. I got yelled at my some old fat foreign woman for splashing her as I went by... pissed me off (as I'm confident she figured out when I yelled "YOU'RE IN A POOL!!!") but she probably has a valid point regarding my lack of proper form. I guess I need to have a sit down with Mr. Swim Smooth...

I'm still really struggling with the schedule and balancing 3 disciplines + lifting. Doing all 3 within 14 hrs isn't working... so if I don't figure out how to drag myself out of bed more often in the morning something is going to have to give.

BnB - any recommendations on a decent yet comfortable saddle? Maybe I just need a better pair of bike shorts but it's hard to be in the saddle for more than an hour at this point.

 

[2Young2BBald]

Sorry about the cold, 2Y. Tis the season - my kids are ALWAYS sick and I ALWAYS get whatever they have. Good times. I'm with all you guys on the treadmill stuff. Better than not running, but a drag regardless. Did an hour on the bike trainer late last night - I owe a "thanks!" to gruecd who provided the motivation I needed to finish the last 20 minutes, otherwise I surely would have bailed. My dinner wasn't sitting well and I swear I've never sweat so much in my life as I did on that damned bike. I didn't even crank up the gears like I usually do. This morning I did a 3 mile tempo with 1 mile warm/cooldown. Managed 8:17s barely. Then at lunchtime I hit the pool for a meager 1200yds. 4x 200s and 1x 400. I got yelled at my some old fat foreign woman for splashing her as I went by... pissed me off (as I'm confident she figured out when I yelled "YOU'RE IN A POOL!!!") but she probably has a valid point regarding my lack of proper form. I guess I need to have a sit down with Mr. Swim Smooth... I'm still really struggling with the schedule and balancing 3 disciplines + lifting. Doing all 3 within 14 hrs isn't working... so if I don't figure out how to drag myself out of bed more often in the morning something is going to have to give. BnB - any recommendations on a decent yet comfortable saddle? Maybe I just need a better pair of bike shorts but it's hard to be in the saddle for more than an hour at this point.

Heading out the door, but when I get back I'll get you a link to a sprint/oly training plan that will set you mind at ease (your at like week 12 of an 18 week plan already) and a link to some nice inexpensive tri-shorts. You'll need'em anyway and they may get you what you need on the bike (posting this more or less as a reminder to myself).

 

[2Young2BBald]

I'm still really struggling with the schedule and balancing 3 disciplines + lifting. Doing all 3 within 14 hrs isn't working... so if I don't figure out how to drag myself out of bed more often in the morning something is going to have to give.

BnB - any recommendations on a decent yet comfortable saddle? Maybe I just need a better pair of bike shorts but it's hard to be in the saddle for more than an hour at this point.

Heading out the door, but when I get back I'll get you a link to a sprint/oly training plan that will set you mind at ease (your at like week 12 of an 18 week plan already) and a link to some nice inexpensive tri-shorts. You'll need'em anyway and they may get you what you need on the bike (posting this more or less as a reminder to myself).

Crap. These tri shorts used to cost a lot less. The first pair I bought were around $18, the second were around $22. I am a bit shocked at the jump to $32 for 2010. They make a nice short that costs a lot less than the Zoots, etc of the world.As for training plans, Hal Higdon has an 8-week plan that you are already crushing. Here is the 18-weeker I referenced above. I am bringing another big group of racers to the Motor City Triathlon & shared this with them this week. BeginnerTritahlete's looks good too. I hope you see that you are WAY ahead of the game already and, like the rest of us, are being way to hard on yourself.

 

[Sand]

BnB - any recommendations on a decent yet comfortable saddle? Maybe I just need a better pair of bike shorts but it's hard to be in the saddle for more than an hour at this point.

Probably the saddle. I have the same issue and will probably try out an Adamo. That and the Cobb saddles seem to be generating the most buzz lately.If you do get an Adamo, bikeisland.com (the Motobecane people) have them for the cheapest price, by far.

 

[BassNBrew]

BnB - any recommendations on a decent yet comfortable saddle? Maybe I just need a better pair of bike shorts but it's hard to be in the saddle for more than an hour at this point.

Probably the saddle. I have the same issue and will probably try out an Adamo. That and the Cobb saddles seem to be generating the most buzz lately.If you do get an Adamo, bikeisland.com (the Motobecane people) have them for the cheapest price, by far.

Saddles are a personal thing. Bontragers have a cheek bone measuring system and were all the rage and I could find one to fit. Some swear by cut-outs, others say they a scientifically sound. Some like gel on their saddle, some like it hard. Personally I've had great success with the following.Specialize Troup Gel - gel, cut out, kind of flangeySelle Italia - hard, no cut out, very lightSella San Marco - tri seat with long nose and buco padding/gelVelo - Came on the motobecane. Spongey, narrow, cut-out, cheap and heavySeveral others in various categories that I couldn't stand.My point is there is no such thing as decent and comfortable universially speaking. Wide/narrow, spongy/gel/hard, cut-out/no cut-out. You have to figured that out yourself and there are various saddles in each category that you would like and hate. Don't rule out non-gel saddles because the first one didn't feel good.So far I have been any help in guiding you. Well I have three suggestions for you to solve this riddle.1. My LBS let's me tried and return whatever I want given that it comes back in mint condition. You'll pay top dollar but it's hassle free.2. Competive cyclist has a program where they'll send you a dozen saddles for a nominal fee a you can try them for a week.3. Pick one and buy it cheap on e-bay. Get it at the right price and you can resell it at no cost it it doesn't work out. Rinse and repeat until you find something you like.Also, 1 hr of trainer saddle time = 2 hours of road time for me. The standing out of saddle, stopping at lights/sign, and bumping due the road seem to provide relief.

 

[BassNBrew]

Like clockwork, my lack of exercise has lead to the worst cold I have had in a very long time as my immune system got lazy too. Tomorrow is two weeks without running and I was planning on giving it a whirl. My calf feels great and I am dying to see where it is at. I was able to swim twice this week, 2,500 yards each, but have stayed off the bike too. I told my wife I had no doubt I'd end up sick with everything going around the office and not keeping my defenses up by exercising. Now I'll have to obey the old "above the neck, what the heck, neck below, take it slow" theory. The damn thing has settled in my chest.On a lighter note, I got my 2XU calf guards. I am going to REALLY like these. No doubt, they are swimable, even if they are not under a wetsuit (I am going to embarrass the heck out of my daughter). BnB, question about recovery from the "death wobbles". I may have read it here that it is best to pin your knees against the center post to steady the bike and feather the rear brake, right? Short of praying, anything else? One of the tris on my list is on a very hilly course (at least for souther MI). I maxed at 35 MPH last year and it scared the crap out of my.Back to whining to my wife.

Kick that cold soon. Chicken soup. Correct on the knees and braking. The most important thing (and it's hard to do) is light pressure on the bars with your hands. Applying the death grip to your bars will only make things worse. I've hit just above 45 and it's enough for me. I know guys who have done 55+. It's not the speed on the bike that's scary, it's the unknown on the road like a pot hole, gravel, animal, car in the wrong lane, or bridge sitting higher than the road. You screw up or have a flat at 35 and you can either save it of just be a little banged up. If you go down at 45 you're going to hurt for a while and may salvage the season. A 55 mph introduction to a tree or off a mountain and missing a season will be the least of your worries, although your spouse may be living in style on the life insurance funds.

 

[Sand]

For the first time in a long time I went out and simply turned around and came home. My legs are still hurting from a couple days ago and I want to get 12-13 in tomorrow (i.e. a looong run). I didn't want to torch my legs before tomorrow. And my half is only a week away - I guess I don't want to overstress something this close to the race.

So why do I feel like a lazy ###?

 

[2Young2BBald]

For the first time in a long time I went out and simply turned around and came home. My legs are still hurting from a couple days ago and I want to get 12-13 in tomorrow (i.e. a looong run). I didn't want to torch my legs before tomorrow. And my half is only a week away - I guess I don't want to overstress something this close to the race.So why do I feel like a lazy ###?

Because you are in a groove, seeing great results and you want to keep the mojo going. You did the smart thing. I am living proof that you need a good recovery period now and then versus riding a positive trend all the way to an injury. Enjoy tomorrow's run and then make sure you have a proper taper before next week's race. Personally, I wouldn't run more than 8 to 10 miles tomorrow.