I hope I didn't deflate any of your excitement for the event AND I was not saying 2 hours was overly ambitious. They were billing the race last year as "The Nation's Highest 1/2 Marathon", and bragged that it might just be the hardest. Be sure to take in everything around you on that run and don't focus too much on time. There is WAY too much beauty to take in, and I think you'll be sad you missed it if you spend the entire race staring at the pavement ahead. No matter what you run up there, I can all but bet you'll shatter the time at lower altitude.rail said:2y2 -Maybe I am being too ambitious. I know I'll need to be careful and not push myself too hard in hopes of chasing a time.
Out door pool? Lucky!Swam 2,500 yards straight in the outdoor pool tonight. My plan was to do 84 lengths - 2,100 yards (the HIM distance), but I felt good enough to take it to 100 lengths for 2,500 yards.
Not mine, community pool. Not sure why I even qualified it (got used to using OWS or indoor I guess). Would rather have been in open water!Out door pool? Lucky!Swam 2,500 yards straight in the outdoor pool tonight. My plan was to do 84 lengths - 2,100 yards (the HIM distance), but I felt good enough to take it to 100 lengths for 2,500 yards.
If this is the bike and it is in good condition, it is a good price. I'd make sure it is sized right for you.I've got a lead on a 2008 Giant QCRA1 road bike for 400. Any thoughts? Seems like a pretty good price to me.
Great deal for an OCR1, IMO. (much less so for a 2 or 3). An OCR1 is 10 speed 105 all the way around.If it fits and is in good shape, grab it.I've got a lead on a 2008 Giant QCRA1 road bike for 400. Any thoughts? Seems like a pretty good price to me.
I want to do it, but I'm leaning against it. Just a little concerned that they'll post pictures to their website, where a client or something might see it.Sounds like a TON of fun, but probably not the most responsible decision. Blah.wraith5 said:BTW gruecd - you must go for it and do the run!!Do it, if for no other reason that it'd make for a good story!!!

This reminded me that on Sunday I crossed the halfway point of my goal at 1001 miles. I think I should make it pretty easy with all the miles in the training plan so maybe next year I step it up to 2500, but that is a lot of miles.Anyway.....ended June with 222.4 total monthly miles. Ran 26 out of 30 days, so I averaged about 8.5 miles/day. Up to 1,214 for the year, so I'm just a tad behind pace for my unofficial goal of hitting 2,500 miles this year. Shouldn't be a problem catching up, though, as I'll be averaging 60-70 mpw for the foreseeable future.
That's wonderful news ..worthy of a fewBy the way we have been told that we could not have kids and had been trying 8 years when this miracle happened. We had started the adoption process. A true miracle from God.
!!!!! God is good.Great deal for an OCR1, IMO. (much less so for a 2 or 3). An OCR1 is 10 speed 105 all the way around.If it fits and is in good shape, grab it.I've got a lead on a 2008 Giant QCRA1 road bike for 400. Any thoughts? Seems like a pretty good price to me.
I don't like the geometry of the frame, but it will be a very comfortable ride; and with 105 components, you are not going to get a much better price anywhere. IF the bike fits, you must you must gets!
Awesome news times a gazillion. Also great to hear that you are making your weight goal early.So I am just tinkering along now. My running league starts July 5th and I will be reading this thread alot more. I made a goal to be at 174 lbs when my first child is born. This was the weight I was at after I ran the 2007 Chicago Marathon. I started at 195 lbs and am down to 180. It looks like things are going to go a little faster than the August 20 due date so I am trying to lose the final 6-7 lbs (depending on the day) lbs in the month of July.By the way we have been told that we could not have kids and had been trying 8 years when this miracle happened. We had started the adoption process. A true miracle from God.
Great to have you Back! Getting to 7:45's already is unbelievable, especially with how much your running has been restricted! ____________________________My update:I ended up doubling up workouts yesterday, as the almost-ex took the girls for the evening. I followed the morning's 7 mile run with a 24 mile ride on my road bike. It was frick'n windy, but my legs wanted to go from the beginning. I only averaged 20.5 MPH, but it was a fairly hilly course (for Texas), and included one brutal stretch that I did twice (uphill, straight into the wind, on chip seal). Legs feel great today = I might double up today as well. I'm going for a swim this afternoon, and might follow it up with a run later.Yesterday was the official start of my 18-week prep for the Marine Corps Marathon. I'm still a little gimpy so am just planning on sticking with the Higdon Intermediate I plan and abandoning thoughts of doing more than it calls for. But it was so cool this morning and I was feeling good so I punched the go button for the last couple miles of today's 5-miler - averaged 7:45 overall, did the last two in 7:35 and 7:11. It was the first time in at least 3 weeks where I felt like I could really run a little, and it was great.2 workouts down, 86 to go!
"only?" :finger:24 mile ride on my road bike. It was frick'n windy, but my legs wanted to go from the beginning. I only averaged 20.5 MPH, but it was a fairly hilly course (for Texas), and included one brutal stretch that I did twice (uphill, straight into the wind, on chip seal).
For what it's worth, I think that the medium-long runs are actually one of the key components of any training plan. And there's actually a purpose to the way that Higdon's plans are structured (back-to-back pace and long runs, for example), so you're probably doing yourself a bit of a disservice by moving everything around so much.Don't get be wrong--the simple fact that you're out there running is fantastic, but if you're looking to maximize performance, I'd suggest trying to follow the plan a little more closely. The guy knows what he's doing.Regardless, best of luck in your training and in making it to the starting line healthy!So really, I guess I'm not officially doing Higdon's program at all, but whatever. Anyway, good luck and keep posting.
Just to clarify, I'm still doing a medium-long run (roughly half the distance of the long run) each week with a target of MP minus 30-40 seconds. It's just that Higdon also includes another medium-long run on top of that at "easy" pace. When the plan hits its plateu, that's the difference between a 50-52 mile week and a 40-42 mile week. Given that my goal is just to crack 4 hours, I'd rather try to keep the mileage down by cutting out a slow run because I honestly don't think I can hold up running 5 days a week at 50+ mpw. That's just me, and I didn't mean my write-up to be some sort of a backhanded crack at Higdon.For what it's worth, I think that the medium-long runs are actually one of the key components of any training plan. And there's actually a purpose to the way that Higdon's plans are structured (back-to-back pace and long runs, for example), so you're probably doing yourself a bit of a disservice by moving everything around so much.Don't get be wrong--the simple fact that you're out there running is fantastic, but if you're looking to maximize performance, I'd suggest trying to follow the plan a little more closely. The guy knows what he's doing.So really, I guess I'm not officially doing Higdon's program at all, but whatever. Anyway, good luck and keep posting.
Regardless, best of luck in your training and in making it to the starting line healthy!
<_< and congrats on the great run!I always worry a bit that the tri talk (of which I'm obviously very guilty) might overshadow the running, esp those getting into running or gearing back up after a lay-off. So hilarious stories like BFs are much appreciated! I think it helps keep us all grounded.Rusty -- it's nice to hear from other people who are at different stages of running. And whatever you do, don't let yourself get talked into to doing "just one tri, you know, just to see how it goes."
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Awesome 15-miler today.
Great story BF!Speaking of running tri-man kindly reminded me I have a race this weekend. Well, given my latent problems with overheating in this weather, I haven't decided whether to do it yet or not. If I do, it will be a "run" or a "saunter" rather than a "race". The course is brutal. To see how I felt I did a treadmill session tonight - 5 miles total with the middle two having the grade cranked up to 8%. Didn't go too badly (held 10:30/mi for those two miles). Hmmm... decisions...Rusty -- it's nice to hear from other people who are at different stages of running. And whatever you do, don't let yourself get talked into to doing "just one tri, you know, just to see how it goes."
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Awesome 15-miler today.and congrats on the great run!I always worry a bit that the tri talk (of which I'm obviously very guilty) might overshadow the running, esp those getting into running or gearing back up after a lay-off. So hilarious stories like BFs are much appreciated! I think it helps keep us all grounded.
I agree. Cut that crap out, OK?I always worry a bit that the tri talk (of which I'm obviously very guilty) might overshadow the running

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Lots of good/great stuff in here today!!
In all seriousness I need to figure out how to improve my bike times. I did just over 15 miles this morning and the BEST I could do on the 2.8 mile loops was 19.4mph. Maybe just more time hammering on the trainer?The new standards for race reporting has been set.BA and BnB -![]()
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Yeah - we talked about it for a sec.Pretty much - "WTF were they thinking? Houston at the end of May? Triple the size of the medical tent."Ironman comes to Texas!!!!!! Ironman TexasRegistered and set for my first full IM, anyone else looking into this?
Texas in May should be fun!
That's awesome that she feels that way. Sounds like she's really proud of you. Speaking from experience, a lot of wives view the running/biking/swimming as something "selfish" that's taking time away from them. You're a lucky guy.11 miles for me this morning at 7:51 pace with the last four miles at 7:43 or faster. Just an easy 5 recovery tomorrow and then 18 on Saturday. This cool weather really makes running a lot more pleasant!!Funny story for me. Here is the conversation I had with my wife last night:Me: Do you think that it is odd that I consider 4:45 sleeping in anymore?Her: I think it sounds pretty dedicated.Me: Not really stupid.Her: I think dedicated is the right word to use.
You are right. She is great about it. She is always telling people what I do and how much I run. I usually don't announce to the world that I am a runner, but she does. Plus I try not to interfere with any family stuff that goes on or our regular daily schedule.Also right on the weather. This week has brought back a lot of good thoughts of running that I was losing.That's awesome that she feels that way. Sounds like she's really proud of you. Speaking from experience, a lot of wives view the running/biking/swimming as something "selfish" that's taking time away from them. You're a lucky guy.11 miles for me this morning at 7:51 pace with the last four miles at 7:43 or faster. Just an easy 5 recovery tomorrow and then 18 on Saturday. This cool weather really makes running a lot more pleasant!!Funny story for me. Here is the conversation I had with my wife last night:Me: Do you think that it is odd that I consider 4:45 sleeping in anymore?Her: I think it sounds pretty dedicated.Me: Not really stupid.Her: I think dedicated is the right word to use.
More power to ya! After a couple of successes, I'm now fighting losing battles with the half-IM distance, so I don't see a full IM in my future. (But maybe FUBAR ...) We'll cheer you on if you go for it, though!!!Bnb - that was hilarious and inspiring. Quite the tale!Ironman comes to Texas!!!!!! Ironman TexasRegistered and set for my first full IM, anyone else looking into this?
Texas in May should be fun!
Wraith: own that 1 mile road!
You know it! The road has about 120 feet of elevation change over the mile, and I did 10x 400 / 400RI back and forth over the whole length. 73 degrees, sunny, and only 37% humidity for the run - it felt great! Primary goal time was 6:20 pace, and I hit a 6:17 average over the 10 repeats (6:11 - 6:28 range). Also feels great to hit primary pace targets again! By the way PSL - 5 workouts in 3 days?? Wow - great job!! Ivan - Give the FIRST program a look. 3 runs a week (speedwork, tempo, long run) with 2 days of crosstraining. For those of us who can't log 50 miles/week, this is a good alternative that should be able to get you in under 4 hrs.I don't know if I've posted here, checked out a few pages here and there though. Also, not sure who the IM vets are in this forum, but I am one; did two IM Wisconsins in decent times (10:46 and 11:0X) before kids wrecked any long-training I used to be able to doIronman comes to Texas!!!!!! Ironman TexasRegistered and set for my first full IM, anyone else looking into this?
Texas in May should be fun!
Anyways, the two years I did them (2004 and 2005) were both in the upper 80's which I'm guessing TX will be. I like the heat, but many don't. Biggest thing outside of training is nutrition and pacing. PM me your e-mail and I'll shoot you my race reports from those. It's been years, but I probably have things like HR, watts (used a powertap), nutrition and so forth.Good luck man, stay healthy, it's a fun trip!JFT: Great to have you in the forum! Please just post the race reports here. The quality of reports in the past week (by BF and BnB) greatly exceeds our normal reports (unless Poppa is flirting with death in a joyous manner) = don't get intimidated.I don't know if I've posted here, checked out a few pages here and there though. Also, not sure who the IM vets are in this forum, but I am one; did two IM Wisconsins in decent times (10:46 and 11:0X) before kids wrecked any long-training I used to be able to doIronman comes to Texas!!!!!! Ironman TexasRegistered and set for my first full IM, anyone else looking into this?
Texas in May should be fun!Anyways, the two years I did them (2004 and 2005) were both in the upper 80's which I'm guessing TX will be. I like the heat, but many don't. Biggest thing outside of training is nutrition and pacing. PM me your e-mail and I'll shoot you my race reports from those. It's been years, but I probably have things like HR, watts (used a powertap), nutrition and so forth.Good luck man, stay healthy, it's a fun trip!
ETA: not sure how geeky you are, but as an engineer I geeked it up when I was going through my 5-year tri-phase. Again, don't know your background but resources I recommend include: Going Long by Gordo Byrn and Joe Friel, www.gordoworld.com (Gordo Byrn's website), my buddy Chuckie V (former pro Veylupek) blog http://chuckiev.blogspot.com/ , and the triathlete's training bible (Friel). Tools are 1a) HRM and 1b) Watt meter (expensive, but worth it, again if you are a geek and learn how to use it). At one point I was going to get my USAT coaching credentials but life got in the way.
You'll be bored after you get your sub 3:00 marathon in the fall & triathlon (or an ultra I suppose) will be the natural, next big thing! Just think how far ahead of the game you'll be for reading these posts!Doing some catch up after a couple of days of travel for work.Good Lord. This is rapidly turning into "Tri Geek Central." PMB and I are gonna have to start a separate running thread pretty soon.....
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Should have tucked them into the waistband of my shorts. Dumb.You guys gonna make room for me if I decide that I want to do the Bourbon Chase with you next fall??I'm thinking maybe I'll just do a smaller, local (i.e., inexpensive) marathon like Fox Cities or Milwaukee next fall and then do the relay with you guys. Cool?

It was only a matter of time. The pressure was just too much. We need to setup a roster or Yahoo group or something to keep track of this.----On a training note, I think my infection blues are finally subsiding. Did a hard treadmill run yesterday - 5 miles with 2 of those at 8% grade to simulate the run Sunday. Wasn't awful. I should be able to limp through.Tonight did a 25 mile group ride. The group averaged 20mph with multiple stops. The guys hit the gas from the start gate and never let up. I was crushing them on the hills.You guys gonna make room for me if I decide that I want to do the Bourbon Chase with you next fall??I'm thinking maybe I'll just do a smaller, local (i.e., inexpensive) marathon like Fox Cities or Milwaukee next fall and then do the relay with you guys. Cool?![]()
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Some gooood stuff in here recently...Also, before I forget - awesome bike story of the day:I was testing out different saddles for my new bike a few months ago. I brought the bike into the backyard to work on the patio. Got the seat on I put my bike shoes on and clipped into my pedals to see if everything seemed OK. It was at this point that I made a decision that in retrospect was just flat out stupid - I decided to pedal down the patio. I made it down just fine but things went south on the way back. Our pool is very close to our house in certain spots, probably 4 or 5 feet in those aforementioned spots. Well, I got a bit squirrelly and had to clip out of my pedals. Right foot came out just fine, left foot not so much. I started the dreaded fall without the aide of my left leg since it's basically still attached to my bike. I fall right into the damn pool. I'm fully dressed - shorts, underwear, polo shirt, hat, sunglasses... and bike shoes. Oh yeah, the bike went in too. Not all of me fell directly in the pool initially. My left leg managed to make contact with the flagstone first. I had a nice bruise to show from that.My first thought was to get the bike out of the pool. Bikes don't float. The ### #### computer on it probably shouldn't be submerged for long either. I don't recall seeing a "Resistant to a Depth of 30m" on it anywhere. I know Ironman watches and #### are meant to go in the water but probably not a bike computer. After all, what kind of ####### puts a bike in a pool? That's probably not even a test of their quality assurance. There are also a lot of holes in the frame where the cables are hidden. It took hours to get all the water from sloshing around the inside of the frame.Second thought was that I hope like hell no one saw what happened. I don't think I have ever been embarrassed by something that no one else saw. That streak was broken today. My wife and son were inside so they didn't see it. I did a quick check of the fence line to make sure the neighbors weren't peeping. Nope. I was the only witness to the event and I was embarrassed for myself. I could've probably made some money from America's Funniest Home Videos if that had been caught on video.I yell for my wife to get me a towel:"Did you just fall in the pool?""Yes, with my bike.""How did you...""Um, don't ask."I took a peek at the bike to see if there was any damage. Everything was fine, except for the seat. The damn seat broke. I #### you not. The circle of life.The bike shop took the seat back because it just shouldn't have broken the way it did. I told them I fell. I kind of omitted the rest of the story.
